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136 episodes - English - Latest episode: 10 days ago - ★★★★★ - 18 ratings

Cheyne and Luis talk about their views on health and fitness, tips/advice plus plenty of anecdotes from years behind the name tag.

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Are You Summer Ready?

April 10, 2024 16:20 - 45 minutes - 51.3 MB

Andrew and Luis discuss being "summer ready" and what that means, and if you are "summer ready" then what? There's layers to this game people!  If you want help getting yourself "summer ready" or just in better shape, reach out to us: Andrew: therealquadfather on Instagram Luis: Lupertuz228 on Instagram 

More Than Meatheads is Back

March 02, 2024 18:10 - 36 minutes - 37.6 MB

 The podcast is back! This time with a new cohost. Join Luis with his new cohost Andrew Gelber ( @therealquadfather ) Andrew and Luis relive childhood traumas and address the differences within strength training. 

Pata"Gone"ia

March 01, 2023 19:03 - 24 minutes - 26.6 MB

Cheyne and Luis discuss Luis' trip to Patagonia and how it went. What goes into training for a trip like this? Common pitfalls people fall into before and after their trip. And the importance of making sure you schedule any form of vacation for yourself.    Catch the podcast on YouTube (morethanmeatheads) as well -> Like, Comment and Subscribe

It's Cliche'd for a Reason

January 22, 2023 21:30 - 30 minutes - 32.5 MB

Cheyne and Luis are back!!! We're taking the opportunity of the new year to start back up again. New year new season!  Quick summary on the episode:The Rock, Snickers bars, Liver King, and steroids Our episodes can now be seen as well on YouTube on our YouTube channel MoreThanMeatheads  -Like, subscribe, and turn on those notifications to see all of our latest videos. DM us with any questions or comments

Unleashfit with Alejandro (Epi 123)

September 26, 2022 16:55 - 50 minutes - 60.3 MB

On this episode of More Than Meatheads, Luis talks to Alejandro Terrazas, creator of Unleashfit brand and general enthusiast of all things fitness, sports and comic books. Alejandro tells the listeners about how he started his fitness journey from the simplest of exercises in his dad's garage to the versatile and functional movements he uses in his workouts today.  

Play the Part with Jesse Ryan (Epi 122)

September 01, 2022 19:09 - 40 minutes - 43.3 MB

In this episode, Luis talks to Personal Trainer, Instructor, Coach, Bouncer, Cornerman, Actor, Model, Stuntman, Tattoo aficionado and giant teddy bear Jesse Ryan.  Jesse and Luis of course discuss Jesse's origins, from growing up in Tucson Arizona, his love for MMA and fighting and his inspiration to become an actor. (Spoiler alert: it was from his grandmother but listen to the entire episode anyway)   

Play the Part with Jesse Ryan (Epi 121)

September 01, 2022 19:09 - 40 minutes - 43.3 MB

In this episode, Luis talks to Personal Trainer, Instructor, Coach, Bouncer, Cornerman, Actor, Model, Stuntman, Tattoo aficionado and giant teddy bear Jesse Ryan.  Jesse and Luis of course discuss Jesse's origins, from growing up in Tucson Arizona, his love for MMA and fighting and his inspiration to become an actor. (Spoiler alert: it was from his grandmother but listen to the entire episode anyway)   

Sex, Drugs and Fitness with Cormac (Epi 121)

August 20, 2022 18:15 - 45 minutes - 50.2 MB

On this episode of >MEATHEADS, Luis has a conversation with Cormac Murphy. Who is Cormac Murphy you may ask? Cormac is a someone who grew up in Ireland with many siblings and had a very active lifestyle. This foundation and background is what would eventually lead Cormac to developing his own fitness platform. MACCFIT. In between all that Cormac has lived in Australia, become a signed male model, been on Love Island (the show), become a drug addict, a club promoter, been to rehab and tons of ...

Out of the Loop (Epi 120)

June 10, 2022 13:56 - 32 minutes - 33.7 MB

Cheyne and Luis discuss feeling burned out and how Luis feels like he's in a sort of workout rut. Other things are discussed but Cheyne and Luis still aren't sure who is reading these descriptions. If you are reading these descriptions, send this episode to a friend and ask them to send the >Meatheads Instagram account a DM. Enjoy the episode. 

There Ya Go!! (Epi 119)

May 30, 2022 03:44 - 33 minutes - 36 MB

This time instead of describing the episode, Cheyne and Luis want to test if anyone reads the description. If you're reading this, send a DM to and just simply say hello or tell us anything that's on your mind. Hope you enjoy the episode. 

La Vida Es Un Carnaval (Epi 118)

May 05, 2022 15:15 - 46 minutes - 53.4 MB

Cheyne and Luis have a great conversation with Margaret Valenzuela () A fellow Presher coworker, friend and general source of positive energy, Margaret shares with Cheyne and Luis, her origin story. This story has tons of ups and downs that includes vulnerability, mindset and how Margaret overcame her addiction. Margaret also talks about how religion helped give her guidance, structure and purpose during her most challenging moments. Margaret is a strong believer that none of us make it alone...

Paint Me Like Your French Girls (Epi 117)

April 29, 2022 14:21 - 43 minutes - 46.9 MB

Cheyne and Luis open this episode by talking about how Elon Musk bought Twitter and the world is still spinning the same. More importantly Cheyne and Luis discuss Luis' experience at working out at Strong New York with his two workout buddies Alejandro and Joseph. The gym is owned by Kenny Santucci and his goal is to bring fitness to the masses that may be intimidated by the average big box gym or full of social media influencers that reinforce Personal Trainer stereotypes or client stereotyp...

Shhmadidas (Epi 116)

April 21, 2022 15:07 - 43 minutes - 50.2 MB

Cheyne and Luis talk about Luis' on set experience on a huge set for a video and photo shoot for a major athletic name brand. What was asked of Luis on set and how not glamourous life on the set can be. Now that Luis was on a major photo shoot, it got him thinking about international travel again. Cheyne and Luis also discuss Kyrie Irving and his interactions with the city of Boston and levels of aggression. Where is the line between competitive nature and taking it too far drawn? Putting you...

Embrace Your Strength (Epi 115)

April 01, 2022 18:10 - 42 minutes - 45 MB

Cheyne and Luis cover a variety of topics in this episode. From an update to how Luis' toe is doing to the little win that came from it. You'll have to listen to know what it is. Cheyne and Luis also discuss the most mistakes that people commit in the gym ranging from trying to hit too many accomplishments at the gym too consecutively to programming hopping too often, to not realizing what you are training for. Lots of fun useful information in this episode.  Make sure to pass it on to all yo...

Issues Below The Belt (Epi 114)

March 25, 2022 15:45 - 40 minutes - 46.1 MB

Cheyne and Luis discuss Luis' recent trip to the South, Nashville. After returning from Nashville, Luis suffers a small injury which leads to a bigger issue. He drops a weight on his toe which leads an ingrown toe nail, which leads to an infection. This experience is very humbling because something as small as an infected big toe nail can really slow you down both mentally and physically. When encountered with this situation you have to ask yourself the benefits or hazards of working out at t...

Don't Major in Minor Things (Epi 113)

March 11, 2022 22:32 - 44 minutes - 53.1 MB

Happy birthday to Luis! Cheyne and Luis talk about the birthday weekend that Luis had and how awkward he felt during festivities. The reason why Luis felt awkward is because he's used to people showing up for him doing something, he's not used to people showing up for him just being. Luis has now lost the role that he's used to playing. Cheyne and Luis see this happen at the gym when people show up for a class expecting to blend in and not really be seen, but then no one else shows up but the...

Arousal Intensity

March 03, 2022 23:36 - 52 minutes - 57.2 MB

Cheyne and Luis cover a lot of information in this episode. Topics discussed are: the fitness party happening at Presher Fitness organized by Joseph aka Fit2Conquer, the classes that Cheyne and Luis are programming for the men's Rugby team, what a strength class is, the ongoing debate of transgender women competing with other women in sports, how Cheyne got distracted while working out and it cost him some skin and how sports psychology and how it applies to measured performance. Lots of stuf...

How Much Does It Cost (Epi 111)

February 18, 2022 15:50 - 40 minutes - 47.2 MB

Cheyne and Luis talk about how Luis had someone in his FIGHT class that didn't make it through the whole class and how one can look for certain stress level markers. These markers and others that Cheyne and Luis discuss can help you discern whether or not your at the most optimal for a certain type of workout. Cheyne also talks about his weekend trip to the California and his exposure to underground "wrasssling". During Cheyne's trip to California, he realized the difference in types of commu...

In Those Genes! (Epi 110)

February 10, 2022 17:26 - 35 minutes - 39.2 MB

First of all apologies. Luis' microphone was not up to snuff and his audio sounds a bit low but it's still very audible.  In this episode, Cheyne and Luis discuss the Winter Olympics. Yeah, that's happening now. Regardless of the fact that viewership is not that of the Summer Olympics the athletes participating in the Winter Olympics are still athletes. Yes, even the ones that participate in curling. These athletes have learned to tap into their genetic potential and use it towards their resp...

Stronger Than You Think (Epi 109)

February 06, 2022 19:07 - 45 minutes - 50 MB

Cheyne and Luis discuss relative strength and the pitfalls of questioning your own strength. It's way too easy whilst on your fitness journey to question yourself on whether or not you actually are "strong" and what being strong even means. Luis even admits to still comparing his ability to lift a certain amount of weight to others. Cheyne and Luis provide tips as to how you can combat this mentality. 

It Was A Compliment (Epi 108)

January 28, 2022 21:07 - 37 minutes - 42.2 MB

Cheyne and Luis talk about Luis' Netflix shooting experience and how he was asked to consult on a scene that involved two guys courting each other on the gym floor. Much like Netflix using an algorithm to suggest what you would like to watch next, social media does the same thing to guide the narrative that they would like for you to see. Cheyne and Luis also discuss an article in the January issue of SELF magazine where encouragement can be perceived as fat shaming. Cheyne and Luis get a wee...

Touch Thyself Intuitively (Epi 107)

January 20, 2022 22:50 - 41 minutes - 47 MB

Cheyne and Luis open with a story about how Netflix will be shooting some content at Presher Fitness and only Luis was asked to attend. Cheyne and Luis then discuss intuitive nutrition and how most people are not aware of what signals their bodies are sending them about what they need. Cheyne and Luis also respond to feedback from a listener that provides a wealth of information regarding rowing and all it's different designations. In "Current Events", Cheyne and Luis talk about the importanc...

Gym Class Heroes (Epi 106)

January 13, 2022 17:31 - 45 minutes - 50.4 MB

Cheyne and Luis tackle the issue of physical education in this country. Sometimes an Ivy League education can lead to remedial movement. This isn't the case all the time, some schools have exceptional athletic programs. Locations also play a part, suburban vs urban settings can be a determining factor. You didn't have a stellar gym program in school buy your backyard are the back woods of West Virginia. As opposed to an underserved youth who's gym class is a converted classroom. Cheyne and Lu...

Master The Mundane (Epi 105)

January 07, 2022 15:11 - 45 minutes - 50.3 MB

Cheyne and Luis get on trend for January and talk about resolutions for 2022. Mastering the mundane is clutch to not only achieving your goals but also maintaining them. Speaking of trends, given the current world situation, Cheyne and Luis try to predict what the coming fitness trends for the year may bring. Also discussed, is the lawsuit which Nike has against LuLu Lemon and the Mirror workout appliance. Cheyne has also written a blog about how to make a resolution and how to make a plan to...

Mandingo Drip (Epi 104)

December 30, 2021 20:58 - 44 minutes - 47.7 MB

Cheyne and Luis are starting their comeback tour! A few things have happened since the last time the boys podcasted. Luis ran a Spartan Trifecta in a weekend and goes into detail of how he trained for it and the toll it took on his body. Cheyne and Luis also discuss setting expectations for next year and how to budget your goals. This episode is full of laughs, stories and all sorts of good stuff. 

Fee For Service (Epi 103)

October 08, 2021 01:57 - 44 minutes - 50.8 MB

Congratulations! You all survived the Facebook, Instagram and WhatsApp malfunction shutdown. What these few hours of lack of access showed us, is that the social media community is not a real community. Cheyne and Luis discuss how toxic relationships can exist with more than just another person. Toxic relationships can also occur with work and business. Cheyne and Luis talk a little business and how they are going about building their classes and a following. Building a community, ensuring a ...

Dick In a Box Steps (Epi 102)

September 30, 2021 21:44 - 33 minutes - 36.8 MB

Cheyne and Luis took a break but are back now (again). While on break, they've done some traveling. Luis went to Scottsdale, Arizona with 17 other males for a long weekend. Cheyne went to Texas to further his knowledge with Power Athlete and network with other Coaches. While away from podcasting, Cheyne and Luis have been teaching more classes at Presher Fitness and have started to develop a sort of a following for their classes. This following has also left many reviews on their respective c...

Success Leaves Clues (Epi 101)

August 27, 2021 15:50 - 43 minutes - 32.3 MB

Cheyne and Luis are making moves! They now have moved their podcast to the Presher breakroom. Does it sound any better? You tell us. Speaking of making moves and moving forward, Boston Dynamic has now developed a robot which can run obstacles and do backflips. Clients are now coming in thinking that if a robot can make it look so easy, they should be able to do it as well, and also back in college they remembered being able to. Nostalgia can be very misleading when the memory you are starting...

Convinction (Epi 100)

August 07, 2021 17:58 - 48 minutes - 34.5 MB

Cheyne and Luis have done it. They made it to 100 episodes!! Well actually 100 episodes were done about 5 episodes ago if you take into account the episodes that either Luis accidentally deleted or Cheyne and Luis just didn't like. Regardless, staying true to the course and chipping away an episode at a time Cheyne and Luis have now made it to 100 episodes. In this episode Cheyne and Luis have an Olympic update on one of the most endearing post win interviews by Tamyra Mensah-Stock. Tamyra's ...

Culture Clash (Epi 99)

July 29, 2021 18:00 - 43 minutes - 32 MB

Cheyne and Luis discuss Luis' first trip to San Diego and the culture difference between East coast and West. Also covered is Luis' first experience on a nude beach while in San Diego. In other news, the Olympics are in full swing and Cheyne and Luis talk about Simone Biles and her self removal from the Olympic competition. What type of culture does that establish when dealing with mental health and a global stage? What type of new standard can this potentially start as far as the competitive...

Fair Play... That's A Dude (Epi 98)

July 09, 2021 21:34 - 43 minutes - 47.4 MB

Cheyne and Luis discuss the upcoming Tokyo Olympics and their interesting approach to rules and enforcement of them. How will the lack of spectators affect performance? Can weed be considered a "performance enhancing drug"? Here's the answer. NO! But if you're going to play someone's game you have to play by their rules until they change them. Their sandbox, their rules. On the topic of making the rules work for you. Cheyne and Luis discuss Laurel Hubbard, a New Zealand weightlifter, the firs...

Service Yourself First (Epi 97)

July 01, 2021 22:20 - 39 minutes - 42.4 MB

Cheyne and Luis have a brand new studio, it's the Presher Fitness boxing studio. Therefore, the opinions expressed by More Than Meatheads are not necessarily the same or endorsed by Presher Fitness.  Cheyne and Luis quickly recap the Bonefrog race discussed in the previous episode and go into the more emotional component and the significance of this race for Luis. Trainers and Coaches are still people and they experience the normal emotional process that other people do. Trainers and Coaches ...

The One About Obstacles, Traveling and Subway Sandwich (Epi 96)

June 25, 2021 20:19 - 40 minutes - 44 MB

Cheyne and Luis discuss Luis' experience at a Bonefrog race and how it felt to be back in the field and what one should expect. Our Producer got to experience this race as well and what she went through and what her progress has become. The goal for each race is to have the next one be less terrible.  Now with travel opening up more and Cheyne having come back from his trip to California. Cheyne and Luis discuss nutritional travel tips. Do your research about what your trip is going to be. Is...

Don't Let Perfect Get In The Way Of Good (Epi 95)

June 12, 2021 19:24 - 44 minutes - 41.5 MB

First off, forgive the first 16 minutes of this episode. The Audio Department (Luis) messed up and didn't realize that the microphones weren't plugged in and the audio was being recorded by the laptop microphone. #learningcuve Cheyne and Luis discuss "The Murph" workout and the opportunity to switch up your training by dropping in and taking a class at Presher fitness. Keeping with the theme of classes, Cheyne and Luis discuss Luis' "Fight" class at Presher fitness.  Furthering the theme of c...

Road Trips, Races and Hoarding (Epi 94)

June 02, 2021 15:34 - 45 minutes - 47.4 MB

Cheyne and Luis are back... Again!  Cheyne and Luis have taken an unscheduled but much needed hiatus from the podcast, but in the meantime they have occupied themselves with life and adventure. Well, Luis has. In this episode we dive into essentially what Luis has been up to. He's taken yet another road trip to Florida and begins his journey to find out whether or not he has inherited his mother's talent with plants and gardening. After returning from his road trip Luis participates in his fi...

It's Nick Shaw of RP Strength (Epi 93)

May 14, 2021 19:13 - 40 minutes - 25.4 MB

Cheyne and Luis are back!  Cheyne and Luis have a great conversation with Nick Shaw of RP Strength. Nick shares the origin story of how RP Strength came to be and how his collaboration with Dr. Mike Israetel 10 years ago created one of the most popular and effective nutritional tracking apps. Nick is a huge believer on the long term focus. No shortcuts here. Consistency over time and evidence based over time is the key to success. Not being focused on the outcome but focused on the process.  ...

Take It Where You Can Get It (Epi 92)

April 09, 2021 20:56 - 42 minutes - 46.4 MB

Cheyne and Luis discuss the new opportunities presented in their lives regarding health and wellness. With the advent of Spring, more locations are opening up which give chances to try other things. Life can sometimes provide a buffet of avenues for one to achieve their desired goals or simply just more than one way. The key is to see the opportunity and to take it. Cheyne and Luis also discuss how it was "National Take a Walk" day and how taking a walk can lead to many other things. Also, ho...

Take It Where You Can Get It (Epi 93)

April 09, 2021 20:56 - 42 minutes - 46.4 MB

Cheyne and Luis discuss the new opportunities presented in their lives regarding health and wellness. With the advent of Spring, more locations are opening up which give chances to try other things. Life can sometimes provide a buffet of avenues for one to achieve their desired goals or simply just more than one way. The key is to see the opportunity and to take it. Cheyne and Luis also discuss how it was "National Take a Walk" day and how taking a walk can lead to many other things. Also, ho...

Mark Bell pt. 2 (Epi 91)

April 06, 2021 00:51 - 35 minutes - 21.8 MB

Here it is! Part 2 of the Mark Bell interview. In this second part, Mark Bell talks to Cheyne and Luis about finding balance in your life. It can't be all about work and it can't be all about play. Finding the balance between the two will give you the path to doing what you love. This mentality is what lead Mark Bell to create his own path. Not only did Mark Bell create his own path, he also created his own products: Sling Shot, Hip Circle, Steak protein mix, Bicep board, Infinity Loop are ju...

We Got it Covered (Epi 90)

March 30, 2021 15:14 - 47 minutes - 49.3 MB

Cheyne and Luis talk about how Luis may have a neighbor that is either his twin or is baiting him. We don't know, stay tuned. Speaking of updates, Cheyne and Luis start teasing pt. 2 of the Mark Bell conversation and what to expect from that. "The acquisition of strength takes time" is just one of the many nuggets of knowledge dropped by Mark Bell. In the Current Events portion of the episode Cheyne and Luis discuss the astronaut diet and exercise program for potential Mars bound astronauts a...

Mark Bell pt. 1 (Episode 89)

March 26, 2021 13:22 - 30 minutes - 18.6 MB

Cheyne and Luis have a conversation with Elite Level Powerlifter, Business Owner, Inventor, Entrepreneur aka The Meathead Millionaire Mark Bell! In part 1 of 2 of the conversation with Mark Bell, he discusses with Cheyne and Luis how he achieved his success and what it has taken for him to get there. "The greatest marker of success is progress", Mark is a huge believer in trying to be better than what you were yesterday. Also, if you want to be and do better surround yourself with like minded...

I.T.S. Rick (Epi 88)

March 24, 2021 00:10 - 52 minutes - 57.1 MB

Cheyne and Luis have another remote podcast and have a great conversation with Dr. Rick Richey. Rick is a Fitness Educator and Entrepreneur who grew up in Alabama, moved to Atlanta and is currently in New York City. Rick discusses with Cheyne and Luis about his trajectory to New York and his recent transgressions as a business owner of multiple fitness locations in NYC during these pandemic times. As the founder of Independent Training Spot (I.T.S.) Rick has learned how to make the best out o...

Define Your M.O. (Epi 87)

March 17, 2021 02:46 - 43 minutes - 49 MB

Cheyne and Luis discuss daylight savings and how to adjust to the time change. Do you ask yourself close ended questions that don't leave room for other opportunities? Or is your self talk more open ended that leaves a chance for positive growth. Mark Bell from the Power Project is a major believer in positive self talk. Cheyne and Luis discuss ideas brought up by Mark Bell for positive self talk. Also discussed is F.O.M.O. and mental health. The feeling of missing out on something when there...

From No No to Yes Yes (Epi 86)

March 11, 2021 20:16 - 43 minutes - 47.5 MB

Cheyne and Luis discuss ideas, thoughts, approaches, mentalities and other things we thought were bad to do before but actually aren't as bad as previously thought. One of the biggest topics discussed is knees over toes. Every newbie trainer is told to put the body in anatomical alignment from toes to ankles to knees to hips to shoulders when assessing someone and never ever forever and ever allow someone's knees to go over their toes. Turns out that if you've ever gone up a flight of stairs,...

Bottoms Up! (Epi 85)

March 08, 2021 18:51 - 45 minutes - 49.8 MB

Cheyne really opens up in this episode. Cheyne and Luis discuss Cheyne's recent visit to the doctor to talk about Cheyne's internal posterior concerns. Cheyne's dedication to content notwithstanding, this is a really good episode in terms of taking care of yourself and avoiding a worse outcome and normalizing talking about such things. Luis talks about eating too much cannabis butter and just feeling assed out useless. Also discussed is what to eat post workout and dispelling old school rumor...

Spartan Group eXercise (Epi 84)

March 02, 2021 00:04 - 45 minutes - 48.8 MB

Cheyne and Luis are officially Spartan Group exercise instructors! Cheyne and Luis discuss their plans to bring Spartan obstacle course race training to the masses. Their expertise isn't just based on their experiences during a race, but is now endorsed by Spartan itself. A major component for race training is coaching. The method in which coaching is implemented when done properly is criticism, when done incorrectly is critiquing. This doesn't necessarily have to be done by someone else, we ...

I'm Simple Not Easy (Epi 83)

February 23, 2021 03:27 - 49 minutes - 52 MB

Cheyne and Luis discuss the potential of breaking into Cameo'esque style workouts and the potential that market can bring. Give someone you care about (or don't like) a video workout by Cheyne or Luis. Cheyne and Luis then discuss the difference between simple and easy. The concept of running a marathon is simple, you start and you're not done until you reach the finish line, it's not easy. Meal prepping for a week sounds simple enough, sticking to that plan may not be easy. Cheyne and Luis p...

Anthony Crouchelli Can't Stop Won't Stop (Epi 82)

February 19, 2021 21:00 - 27 minutes - 16.9 MB

Cheyne and Luis have a chat with easily one of the busiest people in the fitness industry, Anthony Crouchelli. Anthony has over 10 years in the fitness industry which include Equinox, Rumble Boxing and Grit Boxing. Anthony currently finds himself as the Director of Group Fitness for Presher Fitness and Talent Manager for LiteBoxer, we suspect he also runs the community bake sale on the weekends. Anthony also has what appears to be an alphabet soup of credentials in certifications and credenti...

Anthony Crouchelli Can't Stop Won't Stop (Epi 81)

February 19, 2021 21:00 - 27 minutes - 16.9 MB

Cheyne and Luis have a chat with easily one of the busiest people in the fitness industry, Anthony Crouchelli. Anthony has over 10 years in the fitness industry which include Equinox, Rumble Boxing and Grit Boxing. Anthony currently finds himself as the Director of Group Fitness for Presher Fitness and Talent Manager for LiteBoxer, we suspect he also runs the community bake sale on the weekends. Anthony also has what appears to be an alphabet soup of credentials in certifications and credenti...

The Virtues of Virtual Signaling Virtually (Epi 81)

February 18, 2021 03:19 - 44 minutes - 45 MB

Cheyne and Luis ask the very important question, when are you too old to stop flirting? After much debate the topic shifts to the photoshoot Cheyne was a witness to over the weekend. The fine balance between accurate content for social media and the stuff that will get the likes. It's very easy to become a virtual signaling director for virtual content. The easiest way to avoid this is to have an expert on set. After the main topic Cheyne and Luis move on to a potential new segment called "Fo...