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Masks Off For People-Pleasers & Perfectionists

255 episodes - English - Latest episode: 8 days ago - ★★★★★ - 16 ratings

A podcast for people-pleasers and perfectionists who are ready to unhook from their patterns so they can finally feel free to be their true selves and be confident. Through solo episodes and interviews, Host Kim Gross, shares tools and techniques to help listeners develop self-awareness and transform unhealthy patterns. Join us each week as we explore topics such as overcoming fear of judgement, cultivating self-compassion, and the skills for doing the healing work to create the life that you desire. www.kimgrosscoaching.com

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“Unraveling the Past: Healing Patterns and Nurturing Authenticity” with Robyn Eyre-Long

July 27, 2023 07:00 - 33 minutes - 31.2 MB

In this episode, Robyn and I delve into the transformative journey of healing our patterns and childhood wounds, ultimately paving the way for a life of freedom and authenticity. We explore the profound impact of addressing our past experiences, nurturing our inner child, and empowering ourselves to break free from limiting patterns. By doing so, we create an environment that allows our children to embrace their true selves. Join us as we uncover the following takeaways: 1. Overcoming Past ...

Unmasking Parenthood with Whitney Fleming

July 20, 2023 07:00 - 41 minutes - 38 MB

In this episode "Unmasking Parenthood," guest Whitney Fleming and I delve into the transformative journey of parents who prioritize their own inner work, enabling them to guide their children towards embracing their true selves. By examining the ways in which parents can avoid projecting their insecurities onto their kids, this episode offers valuable insights on reducing anxiety, depression, and loneliness in children. Join us as we explore practical strategies and empowering narratives tha...

Coming Home to Yourself with Dr. Chanie Messinger

July 13, 2023 04:00 - 40 minutes - 37.7 MB

Do you feel like you have to be in a relationship to be ok in the world? Have you been conditioned and told that the way to happiness is to go to school, go to college, get married, have a career and have kids? Have you ever considered another way of living your life? Have you ever had this feeling inside that you just wanted to expand and be your true self? In this conversation with guest Chanie Messinger, we talk about the importance of having a relationship with yourself first and foremos...

Embracing Abundance and Unveiling Your Authentic Self

July 06, 2023 07:00 - 19 minutes - 18.4 MB

In this episode, we delve into the transformative power of embracing abundance, worthiness, and your true essence. When we operate from a place of love, rather than from our minds which often reside in lack and scarcity, we open ourselves up to a world of possibilities. Join us as we explore the detrimental effects of wearing masks, personas, and patterns, which can leave us feeling disconnected and unfulfilled. If you resonate with the struggles discussed in this episode, we invite you to ...

Choose You with Meeka Kruisman

June 29, 2023 07:00 - 45 minutes - 42 MB

This was an incredible conversation with 18 year old Meeka Kruisman. She was so raw and vulnerable and quite honestly, so brave to share her story. She shared how she went from a world of pain because she did not feel that she belonged anywhere and that she never felt loved most of her life. In fact, life felt so unbearable that she considered suicide. She just felt that she would be better off if she didn’t live. At the age of 16 things finally began to change for Meeka. Through the help of...

Unleashing Your Authentic Power: Overcoming Limiting Beliefs to Manifest Your True Self with Abi Levine

June 22, 2023 07:00 - 40 minutes - 37.8 MB

In this episode, we delve deep into the ways our own self-imposed limitations hold us back from unlocking our full potential. Join us as we uncover the roots of these limiting beliefs and share practical strategies to break free from their grip. Discover how embracing authenticity and aligning with your true self can catalyze profound transformation and open doors to abundance, fulfillment, and joy. Get ready to tap into your innate power and manifest the life you've always envisioned. Tune ...

Breaking Generational Patterns: Overcoming Toxic Parenting for a Healthier Future with Cari Fund

June 15, 2023 07:12 - 38 minutes - 35.4 MB

In this episode I have a conversation with Cari Fund about the profound impact of toxic parenting on individuals and families, and we discuss strategies to break free from these patterns. Toxic parenting can manifest in various forms, including the start of wearing the perfection mask. Other ways that toxic parenting can show up include emotional abuse, neglect, or controlling behavior. It often results from generational cycles, where harmful patterns are passed down from one generation to t...

Unmasking Our True Selves: The Psychology Behind Why We Wear Masks

June 08, 2023 07:00 - 28 minutes - 25.9 MB

In this episode Kim explores the reasons behind why we wear masks and how they shield our true selves.  Kim shares her personal journey of how she started wearing masks because she did not feel safe to be her true self in the world. Join Kim as she unravels the intricacies of this behavior and discusses strategies for unmasking. Takeaways: Explore the innate human desire for self-protection and the role it plays in our adoption of wearing masks. Highlight the fear of judgment and rejec...

Let Your Presence Serve Your Purpose with Lauri Smith

June 01, 2023 06:55 - 37 minutes - 34.3 MB

Do you ever feel like you are utterly exhausted from life? Do you feel like all you do is survive your days and just rinse and repeat? If you answered yes, it is possible that you are exhausted because you are wearing masks. Wearing masks is so tiring because it is exhausting to keep up a front and not be our true selves in the world. When we come from presence and we allow ourselves to be our true selves, we end up riding a wave of energy that seems limitless. We are meant to live from whol...

Unmasking Your Authentic Self: Why Wearing the Happy Mask Can Hold You Back with Tracy Nolin Beerman

May 25, 2023 07:06 - 44 minutes - 41.4 MB

How often have you put on a mask and showed up inauthentically with other people? We have all done this at some point in our lives and it is so normal. We are just trying to protect ourselves from being hurt or rejected by others. Here is the problem if you have kids, your kids are watching you and they are learning to do the same thing. Why is this a problem? When we wear masks and we don’t feel safe to show up as our true selves we are not living from wholeness. When we are not living from...

Living a Life of No Regrets: Why Being Your True Self is Worth the Pain with Melissa Chureau

May 18, 2023 07:08 - 47 minutes - 44 MB

No matter what we have going on in our lives there will always be pain. The key is how we respond to that pain. One thing that can cause a lot of pain for us is that we wear masks and do not show up as our true selves. It can be very painful and cause so much suffering in our lives when we choose to hide who we truly are. It is not easy to unmask and to do the healing work especially with the busy lives we live. The truth is though that when we are on our deathbeds I can guarantee you that y...

Healing Generational Wounds: Why Repairing with your Child is a Powerful Tool with Meagan Duncan

May 11, 2023 07:06 - 37 minutes - 34.6 MB

One of the most important ways to shift the parenting paradigm is to take ownership for how you are impacting your children. When you are triggered and you project your shit onto them, it is imperative that you go back and repair with your child. Before being able to repair, one must go inward and work through the emotions that are rising within you. There is a reason that you are being triggered and your child is a mirror to you to see what you need to heal and grow from. Once you are in a ...

Loving Your Child is Not Enough with Meagan Duncan

May 04, 2023 07:06 - 36 minutes - 33.4 MB

In this episode Kim talks with guest Meagan Duncan about the hard truth that loving your child is not enough. What does this mean? We are very well-intentioned parents but the truth is that we are constantly projecting our shit onto our children and we create feelings of unworthiness in them. Even the littlest things that we yell at them for or get upset about can leave a negative impact on them. It is imperative that we do our own inner work to reparent ourselves so that we can communicate ...

Compassion is Underrated with Jamie Thurber

April 27, 2023 07:01 - 42 minutes - 39.4 MB

Do you ever feel like you shouldn’t share certain things with others because you fear that you might be judged for what you think or how you feel? In this episode, I speak with guest Jamie Thurber and we each share certain experiences where we had some particular feelings about certain experiences in our lives, and some might think that we are wrong or bad for saying what we said. Here is the thing, chances are many people are probably feeling similar feelings and were told in their lives th...

Staying Committed to Yourself with Jessica Hiatt

April 20, 2023 07:00 - 37 minutes - 34.4 MB

I had such an awesome conversation with Jessica Hiatt, a personal trainer and nutrition coach. Jessica is so much more than a personal trainer. She helps women to heal the mind and spirit as well. It is not often that you find a personal trainer that takes the approach to nurture the mind, body and spirit. In addition, Jessica was so vulnerable to share her story of being in a highly abusive relationship and how that relationship was the catalyst to her healing journey. We also talked about ...

What Makes You Truly Original with Carrie Klwein Lawrence

April 06, 2023 07:00 - 30 minutes - 28.3 MB

Do you look outside of yourself to get feedback or validation that how you are showing up in the world is good or do you look inward and decide for yourself?  We all come into this world to be uniquely ourselves but we somewhere along the way lose sight of that and we wear masks to cover up our true selves. In this episode Kim has a conversation with guest Carrie Klwein Lawrence about the importance of letting go of the need to look outside of ourselves and that we hold the key to our happin...

What Makes You Truly Original with Carrie Klewin Lawrence

April 06, 2023 07:00 - 30 minutes - 28.3 MB

Do you look outside of yourself to get feedback or validation that how you are showing up in the world is good or do you look inward and decide for yourself?  We all come into this world to be uniquely ourselves but we somewhere along the way lose sight of that and we wear masks to cover up our true selves. In this episode Kim has a conversation with guest Carrie Klwein Lawrence about the importance of letting go of the need to look outside of ourselves and that we hold the key to our happin...

How to Stop Victimization with Kim Gross

March 30, 2023 07:07 - 12 minutes - 11.4 MB

Do you ever feel like you attract people who mistreat you or abuse you? Do you feel like you don’t have the right to speak up and assert yourself with these people? Do you feel like you have to walk on eggshells just to make sure you don’t piss these people off? If you answered yes to any or all of these questions you probably know full well what it is like to be victimized. The truth is that we deserve to be happy and we have the right to speak up and break free from oppression and abuse. I...

BE CALM with Ekua Walker

March 23, 2023 07:00 - 32 minutes - 29.7 MB

In this conversation Kim talks with guest Ekua Walker about the importance of helping our children to trust their inner knowing. So often, as children we received messages that what we thought, felt or did was wrong or bad. From this we developed a sense that we should not trust ourselves and thus began listening to others to tell us how to live our lives.  This leads to lacking confidence and trust in ourselves. Through Ekua’s BE CALM process she guides parents to show up in a way that pare...

Prison to Paradise with Deb Blum

March 16, 2023 07:00 - 53 minutes - 49.1 MB

In this episode Kim and guest Deb Blum share their journeys of how they went from their prison to paradise and what it took to get there. They both share how they built a tool box which helped them along their journeys. Both Kim and Deb share that they could not have gotten to where they are now without their tool boxes. They also share with us what is possible in paradise when you do the inner work. It is possible to have more enriching relationships with friends, significant others and you...

Stop Giving Your Power Away with Whitney Baker

March 09, 2023 05:00 - 34 minutes - 31.9 MB

Do you feel like your life is like living on a hamster wheel? Do you feel like you are living a pattern and not a life? In this episode Kim and guest Whitney Baker, talk about the importance of living life fully each day and in the everyday moments. Rather than wishing for some external event or person making you feel alive, you find ways to feel alive from the inside so that you are living life more fully and authentically. To receive some easy and accessible tools to start shifting your li...

Is Your Relationship Serving You with Carrie Jeroslow

March 02, 2023 08:40 - 33 minutes - 30.6 MB

In this episode Carrie shares her experience and wisdom on the benefit of being your most authentic self in your relationship with yourself and loved ones. Way too often most of us don’t speak up about what we truly want, need and desire in our relationships and half the time we don’t even know what we want. But if we are aware that we are not fulfilled in our intimate relationships, we most likely are too afraid to speak up and communicate what we really want. Life is too short to live in f...

Refine Your Life with Deborah Corbin

February 23, 2023 08:36 - 39 minutes - 36.8 MB

Do you let your life experiences define who you are or do you look at your life experiences as an opportunity to grow and evolve? In this episode Kim and Deborah Corbin talk about the importance of taking every experience in life and growing from them rather than being a victim to circumstances. If you truly want to create the life that you desire, then one of the important steps is to take radical self-responsibility for how you show up in life. Life is full of painful experiences and if we...

Prioritize Your Well-Being with Petra Brunnbaurer

February 16, 2023 08:13 - 34 minutes - 31.6 MB

In this episode Kim and guest, Petra Brunnbaurer, talk about the importance of cultivating practices that help your mental, physical and emotional well-being. There is so much pressure in society to live a certain way and to be a certain way and most of us lose our sense of who we really are. Most of us lose our connection to our true essence. In this episode you can hear about the importance of returning home to your true self and some practical ways to do that. Trauma creates change you d...

Are You Living Your Life for You?

February 09, 2023 08:30 - 18 minutes - 17.3 MB

Are you living your life according to what other people expect of you? Do you say yes to people because you are afraid to say no? Do you live in fear of being rejected or abandoned so you just do what others expect of you? Do you try to perform or perfect so that you will receive validation from others? If you answered yes to any or all of these questions then you probably struggle with the people-pleaser and perfectionist pattern. If you want to know how to unhook from these patterns so tha...

It’s Ok to Not Be Ok with Natasha D’Archangelo

February 02, 2023 08:55 - 35 minutes - 32.6 MB

In this episode Kim talks with Natasha, a licensed mental health counselor about how trauma can start in childhood and then play out patterns in our adult lives. Oftentimes our nervous system gets triggered from an event that brings about a response to something that happened in the past. We have a choice to decide whether we want to live our lives from a pattern or live a life. The inner work is not easy but so worth it because there is so much freedom when we heal our traumas. "Between st...

Ground Yourself in Who You Are with Ameerah Barker

January 26, 2023 08:59 - 33 minutes - 30.6 MB

In this episode Kim talks with Ameerah Baker about what it is like to go from Scars to Power. Ameerah shares her powerful story about how she got a large scar from a chemical burn on her chest. She spent years feeling insecure about herself and was not connected to her light within. Kim and Ameerah talk about the importance of doing the inner healing work as well as changing our negative belief systems about ourselves in order to show up more fully in the world. The wound is the place where...

Make the Investment in Yourself with Beverly Price

January 19, 2023 08:27 - 32 minutes - 29.9 MB

This was a great conversation with Beverly Price. She was so open and honest about her journey from feeling unworthy and not enough to being in a place where she is empowered and loves herself. In addition, Kim and Beverly talk about what it was like to play small in relationships and what it felt like to not speak up and use your voice. If you want some valuable tips and tools to feel more empowered and worthy of love and belonging you will want to listen to this episode. “Self-empowerment...

How to See Things From a New Perspective with Debra May

January 12, 2023 08:00 - 29 minutes - 27 MB

Do you feel like you are stuck in your life? Does everyday just feel like you are on the hamster wheel of life? If so, Debra and Kim talk about little tiny steps that you can take to step outside your comfort zone and have a more expansive perspective. Debra talks about how to hire a coach or a mentor who can hold space for you to be your true self and to help guide you in a direction of doing something new. To hear about some easy and quick steps that you can take right away listen in. Also...

Slay Your Dragon with Katherine Wintsch

January 05, 2023 08:00 - 27 minutes - 25.3 MB

Do you constantly look to the outside for validation? Are you a people pleaser or a perfectionist? Well if you are not sure, listen to this episode with Kim and Katherine. They both share their personal experiences with wearing the people pleaser and perfectionist mask. In addition Katherine wrote “Slay Like a Mother.”  In this book, Katherine talks about how to “slay your dragon” which is basically the people pleaser and perfectionist mask. In order to feel worthy and to love ourselves Kath...

Mental Load of Motherhood with Kim Muench

December 29, 2022 08:21 - 31 minutes - 28.9 MB

Do you ever struggle with how to relate or show up with your children? If you are a parent and you feel that your relationship with your kids is not what you want it to be, Kim Muench has some great suggestions. She is a parent coach and a mom of 5 young adult children and she has some great advice especially around how to show up for your kids when they are struggling. She talks about how she holds space for her own kids and how not to show up. If you want to hear about more do’s and don’ts...

You Are the Ocean Not the Waves with Erin Tennant

December 22, 2022 08:00 - 37 minutes - 34.5 MB

Erin shares her incredible story of losing one hundred and thirty pounds without going on a diet. She did this all through changing her mindset. She also helps her clients to lose weight, deal with stress or even just coping with relationships all through changing their mindsets. Kim and Erin talked about the importance of learning the skill and practice of recognizing that you are not your emotions and thoughts but rather the watcher or the observer. When you can be in this space you realiz...

Without the Shit I Wouldn't Be Who I Am with Natalie Bedard

December 15, 2022 08:18 - 31 minutes - 29 MB

In this conversation Kim talks with Natalie Bedard about the importance of healing past trauma. The trauma from our pasts can keep us stuck and from creating the life that we desire. It can feel overwhelming and daunting at times to confront our pain and trauma and if you are willing to take ownership for healing your past, there is such a paradise waiting on the other side. You may need to enlist the help from others to do this work and that is ok.  It is so worth doing the work because wha...

Changing Generational Patterns with Robin Hopkins

December 08, 2022 08:00 - 45 minutes - 41.7 MB

Almost all of humanity has baggage that is generational or as a result of societal conditioning. This is how we develop patterns and limiting beliefs that can wreak havoc on our lives if we are not mindful and intentional about changing them. In this conversation Kim and Robin Hopkins have a serious heart to heart about how these patterns show up in their lives and play out in their parenting and what they do to change the outcome so that generational patterns are not carried out in the same...

Follow Your Intuition with David Richards

November 24, 2022 08:00 - 38 minutes - 35.2 MB

Do you struggle to trust your intuition? Do you often second guess yourself? Do you stay stuck in relationships or jobs because you are too afraid to step outside your comfort zone and to follow your heart's desire? We have one life to live and this life is not a dress rehearsal. If you are wanting to avoid having deathbed regrets, then tune in and listen to David as he shares his process on how to follow your intuitive warrior. David’s work is to help others through his coaching and his wor...

Diving Deep into Overwhelm with Margot Zaher

November 17, 2022 08:00 - 36 minutes - 33.6 MB

Kim talks with Margot Zaher about the mask of overwhelm and how claiming that we are overwhelmed is just a way to really avoid our responsibilities. Why do we avoid certain things in life? Oftentimes, if we really dig deep we may notice that the real issue is that we feel inadequate. In this episode Kim and Margot talk about the importance of being aware of those limiting beliefs and how they can keep us from stepping outside of our comfort zones and doing the things that we really want to d...

Follow Your Compass

November 10, 2022 08:00 - 23 minutes - 22 MB

In this episode Kim talks about how we are so conditioned by society as well as our loved ones that success should be measured a certain way. Whether we are starting a new relationship, a new job, career, business or work out plan, we measure the outcomes. It is not that outcomes are not important because they are. It is not helpful when it is the only thing we focus on and we start putting pressure on ourselves when we don’t meet those measured outcomes. We must learn to listen to ourselves...

Get Your Sexy Back with Kim Coffin

November 03, 2022 07:05 - 35 minutes - 33 MB

In this episode Kim talks with Kim Coffin about how many different masks show up in the bedroom. We can wear the people pleaser mask for sure. It can be particularly difficult for many women to assert themselves and ask for what they want and need when having sex. Women are conditioned to please their partners and also that the purpose of sex is to procreate. This can lead to a very unfulfilling sex life and further more, lead to unfulfilling relationships. Kim Coffin talks about how people ...

Perfectionism is a 20 Ton Shield

October 27, 2022 07:20 - 20 minutes - 18.4 MB

In this episode Kim talks about what a weight perfectionism can be on us. Most of us created this mask when we were young in order to protect ourselves. It may have served a purpose at the time, but now that mask/pattern is just causing us unnecessary suffering. The problem is most of us don’t know that we are wearing this mask and furthermore we don’t know what to do about it. We don’t realize that at the root of this is a feeling of not being enough. If you want to hear more about what you...

Integrating Shadows with Deb Blum

October 20, 2022 07:00 - 50 minutes - 45.7 MB

Do you find yourself judging others? Do you have strong aversions to things that other people say or do? Have you ever considered that those things that you are judging about others may also be things that you judge about yourself but you just are not aware of it? This is what shadow work is about. Shadow work is about including or integrating the parts of ourselves that we deny or cut off from and until we learn how to integrate them, we can not come into wholeness. When we come into wholen...

"Letting Go of 10 Things with Deborah Callahan

October 13, 2022 07:00 - 29 minutes - 26.9 MB

What a fun and uplifting conversation with Debbie. She is the host a great podcast, How to Live Fully. In this podcast Deborah gave such great ideas and tips for how to live life more fully. If we truly want to live in abundance and freedom and joy we must practice the art of letting go. Deborah has shared her experience with grief and the work that she does with clients to help them learn to heal the grief so that they can live more fully. If you want to be truly inspired you must listen to...

Befriending Your Masks with Rebecca Doring

October 06, 2022 07:34 - 37 minutes - 33.8 MB

Rebecca Doring is an epitome of what is possible when you befriend your masks. This means that whenever you do the innerwork and heal those patterns from the past as well as current patterns, you can experience joy, peace and freedom.  Rebecca fully experienced what it was like to wear the people-pleaser mask as a little girl and later the perfection mask while at culinary school. She experienced tremendous pressure from the school as well as internal pressure and realized that she could not...

Being a Perfectionist is Hard with Ebony Moore

September 29, 2022 08:00 - 31 minutes - 28.8 MB

In this episode Kim and Ebony talk about the difficulties with wearing the perfection mask. Both were able to identify experiences in their childhoods that impacted the birth of the perfection mask. Sometimes the behaviors and patterns of the perfectionist can be insidious and therefore difficult to identify. To hear more about what it is like to wear the perfection mask and what the antidote is to wearing it listen to find out. About Ebony: Ebony S. Moore is a powerhouse in motivational s...

Transforming Your Relationship with Yourself with Ainee Cha

September 22, 2022 07:00 - 33 minutes - 30.4 MB

In this conversation Kim talks with Ainee about how to transform one’s relationship with yourself and others through mindfulness and compassion. Ainee also talked about how she struggled with wearing the perfection mask throughout most of her life and that what really helped her was to bring compassion as well as loving kindness to herself. Although it was a process and very difficult at first to even have that love for herself she found that over time and with practice that she was able to ...

How to Stop Being Hard on Yourself with Jamie Thurber

September 15, 2022 04:00 - 38 minutes - 34.8 MB

In this episode Kim talks with guest, Jamie Thurber, about why we start wearing masks. It is so normal to develop different masks as a way of protecting ourselves when we were young. The problem is that as we become adults the masks do not always serve us. They prevent us from growing. It can also be very frightening to take off these masks. The other issue is that we try to get rid of or ignore these parts of ourselves because there is too much pain. The key to living a whole and fully auth...

I Will Not Deny Myself Anymore

September 08, 2022 08:00 - 16 minutes - 14.9 MB

Have you struggled to set boundaries with yourself? There is actually a positive aspect to boundary setting. Not only do we learn to identify what we don’t like and what hurts us, but we can learn to identify what feels good. We can learn to ask ourselves What do we like? What feels good for me? What brings us pleasure? Or, what makes us feel good in the morning? For so long, we have deprived ourselves and there is no need to do that anymore. If something feels good and it is self-loving and...

Taking a short pause.

August 04, 2022 08:00 - 4 minutes - 3.96 MB

Kim is going to take a short pause on releasing Masks Off podcasts as she is preparing for a new launch. Kim is working on pivoting and creating a new business and she is aligning this business with Masks Off. She is taking some time to prepare so that her podcast and message is cohesive and coherent. When she relaunches she will have amazing guests. She is super grateful and appreciative to have your support. 

Changing directions with Kim and Tia

July 28, 2022 08:00 - 19 minutes - 17.6 MB

In this episode Kim and Tia announce their decision to pivot. Tia has decided to focus on her coaching business as well as potentially move into some new endeavors of her own. Kim is working on launching a new business and more details about that will follow. For now, Kim is continuing the Masks Off Podcast on her own. Episodes will still be released weekly. This was an amicable decision and like the quote says, “everything on this earth is in a continuous state of evolving and improving….” ...

Discussing Postpartum Anxiety with Allison Lieberman

July 21, 2022 08:06 - 35 minutes - 31.9 MB

If you are a new mom or even if you had your kids a while ago, do you or do you remember suffering with anxiety? Have you ever heard of postpartum anxiety? While we may know what postpartum depression is, many are unaware of what postpartum anxiety is and how it manifests for new moms. In this episode you will hear from Allison Lieberman, who has first hand experience with this as well as being an licensed family and marriage therapist. She also talks about how moms struggle with immense gui...

Life is Bittersweet

July 14, 2022 08:27 - 21 minutes - 38 MB

In this episode Kim and Tia share different life experiences where they have felt bittersweet. Having that bittersweet feeling can show up in a multitude of ways including watching your kids grow up, having your child move out or go off to college, losing a loved one, returning from a vacation or leaving a job. This feeling or emotion of bittersweet is such a good representation of what life is really like because it is nondual. It is not an either/or emotion. It is actually both bitter and ...

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