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Talkin' About
50 episodes - English - Latest episode: over 4 years ago -Talkin' About all things Mental Health
Run by siblings Charlotte & George, together they explore the world of mental health, what it's like to suffer and how to combat the feelings. Every month we also interview some very special guests and hear their stories.
The Talkin' About Podcast is brought to you by Maison de Choup. The Fashion Brand with a Mental Health Cause at its Heart. 25% of proceeds are donated to YoungMinds Charity.
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Episodes
Talkin' About...Venting with Freddie Cocker - Episode 48
April 14, 2020 09:34 - 1 hour - 56.7 MBThis weeks episode features founder and creator of VENT UK, Freddie Cocker. Through his own experiences with mental health he decided there needed to be a place where everyone, but especially men and boys can open up about their mental health issues, break down stigmas and start conversations and so the platform Vent was created. Freddie talks to us all about his experiences and life up until now! You can find out more about Freddie here: Instagram: @venthelpuk // freddiec94
Talkin' About... Live from home! - Episode 47
April 07, 2020 14:20 - 30 minutes - 28.4 MBStay tuned as the podcast grows in a positive way! If you feel like you need to talk to someone: youngminds.org.uk/ www.helpmusicians.org.uk/ www.mind.org.uk/ www.time-to-change.org.uk/ www.samaritans.org/ hubofhope.co.uk Follow us on: Instagram - @talkinaboutpodcast Twitter - @talkinaboutpod_ George - @georgedhodgson (Instagram) Charlotte - @iampsyren_ (Instagram)
Tallkin' About... All things BodEquality with Emi Howe - Episode 46
March 31, 2020 14:36 - 1 hour - 55.2 MBOur guest on the Talkin’ About Podcast this week is Emi Howe, who in 2012 was diagnosed with breast cancer and beat it. Emi is a body therapist and has been for 16 years, helping a lot people who are suffering from or who have suffered with cancer, using her own experience to improve her therapy. She started BodEquality in a bid to change the perception of how bodies are represented in the media, as well how the use of research can improve things going forward. She hasn’t always had the words...
Talkin' About... The Extraordinary World of Richard Strange (Music & Mental Health) - Episode 45
March 24, 2020 04:00 - 1 hour - 69.5 MBToday’s guest is the next in our Music and Mental Health series! He first crashed onto the scene when he founded the British punk rock band Doctors of Madness in 1975, known for being the forerunners of the punk movement. Back then known as ‘Kid’ Strange they toured the world, being supported by bands including The Sex Pistols, The Jam and Joy Division to name just a few and later touring Japan and appearing at festivals such as Glastonbury and Bestival. Not one to be tied down to just one c...
Talkin' About... Covid-19 - Episode 44
March 17, 2020 11:00 - 22 minutes - 20.8 MBThis week George and I thought it was necessary to talk about the current global situation. We didn't want to talk about all the negatives and we wanted to give a few tips on how to keep your spirits high at this time. Hopefully you guys take something away from it. We are now on Twitter and will be sharing our tips and tricks to trying to stay positive over there too! Lots of love and light to you all! Below are some links if to places to find advice, tips and education on the virus: https:...
Talkin' About... Modelling, Mental Health and Film with Florence Kosky - Episode 43
March 10, 2020 04:00 - 1 hour - 55.4 MBOur guest this week is model, film director and mental health advocate Florence Kosky! Speaking up about mental health in both the modelling world and through her films, Florence is an ambassador for the Mental Health Foundation and is a big supporter of the Be Well Collective - a non profit organisation that is working with agencies & the British Fashion Council towards making the industry better for models by prioritising mental health. She talks to us all about her own mental health as wel...
Talkin' About... Dreams, Communication and A new segment - A catch up - Episode 42
March 03, 2020 04:00 - 26 minutes - 24 MBA bi-weekly check in with Charlotte and George :)
Talkin' About... Navigating the Fashion World with Kelly Dearsley Strange - Episode 41
February 25, 2020 04:00 - 49 minutes - 44.9 MBOur guest this week is Kelly Strange, who has worked her way through being a student to becoming the Associate Dean at London College of Fashion (UAL). She was born in London but grew up in Hertfordshire, but living in Hertfordshire didn’t suit at all, so she begun dressing in a London style to show how much she needed to be there, she is very much a city girl. After leaving school, Kelly went into advertising, working with lifestyle and entertainment brands, after a short stint there she wen...
Talkin' About... Abu Dhabi, Tik Tok and Job Choices with Char, George & ML - Episode 40
February 18, 2020 04:00 - 32 minutes - 29.9 MBOur bi-weekly catch up, this week with the addition of Mark :) Stay tuned as the podcast grows in a positive way! If you feel like you need to talk to someone: youngminds.org.uk/ www.helpmusicians.org.uk/ www.mind.org.uk/ www.time-to-change.org.uk/ www.samaritans.org/ hubofhope.co.uk www.maisondechoup.co.uk Follow us on: Instagram - @maisondechoup Twitter - @maisondechoup Facebook - Search Maison de Choup George - @georgedhodgson (Instagram) Charlotte - @iampsyren_ (Instagram)
Takin' About...Music and Mental Health with Freddie Martin - Episode 38
February 11, 2020 07:54 - 47 minutesThis weeks episode is part of our Music & Mental Health series and features producer, DJ, musician and artist Freddie Martin. We talk all about Baseline - the genre he started in - his journey, his mental health, his development as an artist and what he's currently up to! You can find out more about Freddie here: @freddiemartinmusic Instagram - @freddiemartinmusic Stay tuned as the podcast grows in a positive way! If you feel like you need to talk to someone: youngminds.org.uk/ www.helpm...
Takin' About...Music and Mental Health with Freddie Martin - Episode 39
February 11, 2020 07:54 - 47 minutes - 43.9 MBThis weeks episode is part of our Music & Mental Health series and features producer, DJ, musician and artist Freddie Martin. We talk all about Baseline - the genre he started in - his journey, his mental health, his development as an artist and what he's currently up to! You can find out more about Freddie here: @freddiemartinmusic Instagram - @freddiemartinmusic Stay tuned as the podcast grows in a positive way! If you feel like you need to talk to someone: youngminds.org.uk/ www.helpm...
Talkin' About... Moving planets, Mistakes and the Meaning of Life - Episode 38
February 04, 2020 04:00 - 22 minutes - 21 MBTalkin' About... Moving planets, Mistakes and the Meaning of Life - Episode 38 by Talkin' About
Talkin' About... Marshmallows With Harriot Pleydell-Bouverie - Episode 37
January 28, 2020 10:19 - 1 hour - 56.5 MBOn this week’s episode we talk to the Chief Whisk and Founder of Mallow and Marsh, Harriot Pleydell-Bouverie! Now stocked in almost all of the major supermarkets as well as petrol stations & coffee shops - Harriot went from cooking Marshmallows in her kitchen to last year producing 4 million packs of Marshmallows which is the equivalent of two blue whales in weight! She talks to us all about the highs and lows of leaving her city job to working for herself, the start up world as a whole and t...
Talkin About... Falling 15,000 ft with John Allison - Episode 36
January 21, 2020 04:00 - 1 hour - 67.8 MBTalkin About... Falling 15,000 ft with John Allison - Episode 36 by Talkin' About
Talkin' About...January & beyond - Episode 35
January 14, 2020 04:00 - 18 minutes - 16.8 MBWE'RE BACK! After a short break over the Christmas period, we're back and chatting all things January as well as whats to come for Talkin' about this year and life in general! Happy New Year (a little late, we know), let's get it!
Talkin' About... Music & Mental Health with Tom Ryder - Episode 34
December 10, 2019 04:00 - 59 minutes - 54.8 MBThis weeks episode is part of our Mental Health & Music series and features ReTune's Founder, singer songwriter Tom Ryder. You can find Tom here: http://www.tomrydermusic.com/ Instagram - @tomryder__ And you can find out more about ReTune here: http://www.retune.org.uk/ Instagram - @retune_uk Stay tuned as the podcast grows in a positive way! If you feel like you need to talk to someone: youngminds.org.uk/ www.helpmusicians.org.uk/ www.mind.org.uk/ www.time-to-change.org.uk/ www.sama...
Talkin' About... Empowerment Through Style with Roxy Henley - Episode 33
November 26, 2019 09:00 - 41 minutes - 37.9 MBOn this week's episode of the Talkin’ About podcast we speak to Roxy Henley, who grew up in the beautiful seaside town of Brighton and at 10 raided the school costume department styling her own outfit for the production of Bugsy Malone. From there it became apparent she’d already found her talent, at 14 she went shopping with her friends to style and put outfits together for them. She later started studying at the John Morgan University in Cardiff doing a 4 year fashion marketing course 3 wee...
Talkin' About... Empowerment Through Style with Roxy Henley
November 26, 2019 09:00 - 41 minutesOn this week's episode of the Talkin’ About podcast we speak to Roxy Henley, who grew up in the beautiful seaside town of Brighton and at 10 raided the school costume department styling her own outfit for the production of Bugsy Malone. From there it became apparent she’d already found her talent, at 14 she went shopping with her friends to style and put outfits together for them. She later started studying at the John Morgan University in Cardiff doing a 4 year fashion marketing course 3 wee...
Talkin' About...Starting the Speakers Collective & Living with Parkinsons with Jo Emmerson
November 19, 2019 04:00 - 37 minutes - 43 MBTalkin' About...Starting the Speakers Collective & Living with Parkinsons with Jo Emmerson by Talkin' About
Talkin' About... metanoia vol.i with psyren (Music & Mental Health) - Episode 31
November 12, 2019 04:00 - 20 minutes - 19 MBSome of you may or may not know that our very own Charlotte, also goes by the name psyren as a singer, songwriter and producer. This week we deconstruct her self written, self produced, upcoming EP "metanoia vol.i" talking through each song and how it's been a long 26 year(!!!!!) journey to finally releasing some music. The EP comes out on SoundCloud this Friday (15th November), we hope you enjoy the sneak peaks! You can find psyren here: SoundCloud: https://soundcloud.com/iampsyren Instagr...
Talkin' About... PTSD, Therapy and #Depressionwearslippy with Jo Love - Episode 30
November 05, 2019 04:00 - 47 minutes - 43.8 MBThis week we’re pleased to welcome Jo Love, who is an award-winning mental health advocate, speaker and writer. She is also the founder of Lobella Loves and campaigns both on and offline to let others know it is ok not to be ok. Her current campaigns include #DepressionWearsLippy is helping break down the stigma of what the ‘face’ of mental health looks like, as well as running the hugely successful Tea for PND events and campaigning to lower the current maternal suicide rate. Not only that, ...
Talkin' About... Cor Blimey (A catch up) - Episode 29
October 29, 2019 04:00 - 26 minutes - 24.1 MBTalkin' About... Cor Blimey (A catch up) - Episode 29 by Talkin' About
Talkin' About... Leanne Bebbington - Episode 28
October 22, 2019 03:00 - 33 minutes - 30.3 MBThis weeks guest is Leanne Bebbington, who was diagnosed with Diabetes at 9, Depression at 14 and later found out she also suffered from anxiety, soon realising that the diabetes was affecting her mental health. She completed her degree in entrepreneurship in the creative and cultural industry, specialising in fashion and moved to London at 23, interning at various companies including Pause Magazine. After her internships finished she began flyering for Brick Lane based vintage store Atika (f...
Talkin' About... Kindness with Bernadette Russell - Episode 27
October 08, 2019 03:00 - 39 minutes - 36.2 MB"There's light in everything we do" Just one of the beautiful gems that came out of this weeks episode with the absolutely brilliant writer, performer and storyteller Bernadette Russell! Find out more about Bernadette here: https://www.bernadetterussell.com/ Stay tuned as the podcast grows in a positive way! If you feel like you need to talk to someone: youngminds.org.uk/ www.helpmusicians.org.uk/ www.mind.org.uk/ www.time-to-change.org.uk/ www.samaritans.org/ hubofhope.co.uk www.mais...
Talkin' About...Hope Virgo - Episode 26
October 01, 2019 03:00 - 33 minutes - 30.3 MBOn today’s episode of the podcast, we’re incredibly excited to welcome Hope Virgo! Hope suffered with anorexia for over 4 years, before being admitted to a Mental Health Hospital in 2007. She lived in the hospital for a year, fighting one of the hardest battles of her life. Since being discharged, she has fought to stay well. She is now at the stage of 'ongoing recovery' and wants to use her experiences of mental health illness to champion the rights of others, inspire them to get well, and h...
Talkin' About... OCD, Metanoia and Lunch - Episode 25
September 24, 2019 03:00 - 30 minutes - 28.3 MBTalkin' About... OCD, Metanoia and Lunch - Episode 25 by Talkin' About
Talkin' About...Mental Health Stigma at University with Jen & Lily - Episode 24
September 17, 2019 03:00 - 1 hour - 55 MBTalkin' About...Mental Health Stigma at University with Jen & Lily - Episode 24 by Talkin' About
Talkin' About... Special guest Ben Hogbin - Episode 23
September 03, 2019 03:00 - 30 minutes - 27.6 MB“Self love is not selfish” a statement which our next guest Ben Hogbin lives by! We were lucky enough to attend one of Ben’s WRAP workshops about a month ago and in this episode we go into much more detail about what WRAP is, Ben’s story and how he turned his negative “almost” breakdown (as he says) into a functional, organised and positive wellness plan and later business, making it his mission to help others feel well too. He talks to us about how he started Discover Wellness, running the L...
Talkin' About... Food On The Mind - Episode 22
August 27, 2019 15:19 - 15 minutes - 13.9 MB“If you plan ahead, you’ll stay ahead” - Mark Bell Do you plan your meals? Are you mindful of what you’re eating? Did you know that your food can be a direct contributor to your healthy or unhealthy mental health? In this episode George and I talk all about how food directly effects your mental health. After watching a Tom Bilyeu interview with Weight Lifter Mark Bell, it made me think a lot into how we are affected by what we put into our digestive system. It's a nice introduction to a mass...
Talkin' About...Us (A catch up) - Episode 21
August 20, 2019 03:00 - 19 minutes - 17.5 MBThe weather, the week after BoomTown, tips and tricks to staying well mentally... This week George and I thought it was about time we checked in with you and ourselves about life and our mental health. Stay tuned as the podcast grows in a positive way! If you feel like you need to talk to someone: youngminds.org.uk/ www.helpmusicians.org.uk/ www.mind.org.uk/ www.time-to-change.org.uk/ www.samaritans.org/ hubofhope.co.uk/ www.maisondechoup.co.uk Follow us on: Instagram - @talkinaboutpod...
Talkin' About... Special Guest Johnny Benjamin - Episode 20
August 06, 2019 03:00 - 1 hour - 72.5 MBAfter suffering severely in his early 20s, Jonny Benjamin was at the darkest point in his life, until a stranger stopped him on a bridge and saved his life. Six years after the event, he found the stranger and continues to work with him now campaigning for better mental health in the UK. In between running his charity Beyond Shame Beyond Stigma, he delivers speeches about his story, has written a book, received an MBE and is now on his second book - he has an impressive list of achievements. ...
Talkin' About...Grief - Episode 19
July 30, 2019 03:00 - 15 minutes - 14.5 MBOn today's episode we're Talkin' About Grief. It's been 5 months since our Grandma passed away and we wanted to touch base on how we've been feeling, how we've been dealing with our personal grief and the different stages along the way. It's an ever evolving journey and one we are still finding quite hard to get our heads around but we wanted to open up about it in hopes that anyone else going through the same thing might find some comfort. If you feel any sadness or anxiety from this episo...
Talkin' About...Mental Health & Travelling - Episode 18
July 23, 2019 03:00 - 20 minutes - 18.5 MBOn today’s episode of the podcast, we’re travelling around the world and exploring mental health problems when doing so. Furthermore, can you take the tube? A bus? Even on boats? We explore what it’s like to experience mental health problems when moving around. Featuring our nomadic friend Ollie Carter (@hopekid_) who popped on the show because he was bored, not only that he has also been around the world a couple of times, we ask if the Instagram locations are really as beautiful as the seem...
Talkin' About... Keeping Ourselves Well - Episode 17
July 17, 2019 03:00 - 18 minutes - 17.3 MBTalkin' About... Keeping Ourselves Well - Episode 17 by Talkin' About
Talkin' About... Some of our favourite books - Episode 16
July 09, 2019 03:00 - 29 minutes - 27 MBWell? What is it? We all have our very favourite book(s). This week on the Talkin' About Podcast, Charlotte and I discuss our favourites, why they are our favourites and what meaning they have to us. Think Desert Island Discs, only with books... Desert Island Books? Eh, whatever. In the episode, we talk through the excerpts that moved us. Have you read any of our choices? How many do you agree with? How to Win Friends and Influence People - Dale Carnegie The Decision Book - Mikael Krogeru...
Talkin' About... Mental Health with Mum and Dad - Episode 15
July 02, 2019 02:59 - 33 minutes - 30.5 MBAnd we’re back! After Charlotte’s laptop recently got stolen, the Talkin’ About Podcast turned into a bit of a stagnant pond. It took a little time to sort the situation out, but I’m pleased to say we are now back online! We decided to bounce back with a very special and incredibly important episode, talking to our parents about what it’s like to manage children suffering with mental health problems and how does it feel? As they frequently express worries that it is their own fault we suffe...
Talkin' About...Eating Disorders with Frances Shillito - Episode 14
May 14, 2019 05:58 - 29 minutes - 26.9 MBTalkin' About Mental Health Week Special talking with Celebrity Make-up artist Frances Shillito about how mental health is dealt with in her industry and her experience with an eating disorder. Stay tuned as the podcast grows in a positive way! If you feel like you need to talk to someone: youngminds.org.uk/ www.helpmusicians.org.uk/ www.mind.org.uk/ www.time-to-change.org.uk/ www.samaritans.org/ hubofhope.co.uk/ www.maisondechoup.co.uk Follow us on: Instagram - @maisondechoup Twitter...
Talkin' About... Dr Sheri Jacobson - Episode 13
May 07, 2019 03:00 - 28 minutes - 25.8 MBFeel the fear and do it anyway”. This weeks discussion delves deep into the topic of Therapy with Dr Sheri Jacobson, Founder of Harley Therapy and the #ChooseTherapy campaign. Sheri has degrees in Philosophy, Politics and Economics (Oxford University), Social Anthropology (University College London), and a PhD in Counselling and Psychotherapy (Regent's College, London). In this incredibly insightful episode, we talk to Sheri about why therapy is such a taboo topic at the moment and how she is...
Talkin' About... Mental Health And Relationships - Episode 12
April 30, 2019 10:46 - 20 minutes - 19.1 MBFinding love in todays age is a somewhat herculean task for many, and can leave us feeling a little lost. Anxiety, trust issues, worries, where you do even start? Throw social media into the mix and you’ve got a recipe for disaster. As we venture through the world of relationships, we both discuss our past relations and how they affected us mentally and how all of us in some way are affected by relationships. But what exactly is the perfect relationship? Stay tuned as the podcast grows in a ...
Talkin' About... The Horse Course - Episode 11
April 23, 2019 03:00 - 40 minutes - 37.1 MBYou’d think the mere idea of taking horses into a prison would cause a completely unimaginable situation. Fear not, it had the very opposite affect on HMP Portland inmates in Dorset. Started by Harriet Laurie, The Horse Course deals with people with behavioural problems and now mental health conditions using horses as a solution. She says ‘I treat everyone like they are horses, even my children’ A piece of advice we should all listen to. Joined by both founder Harriet and Trustee, Dr Nick Kos...
Talkin' About...Music & Festivals - Ep 10
April 16, 2019 02:00 - 16 minutes - 15 MBTalkin' About...Music & Festivals - Ep 10 by Talkin' About
Talkin' About... Our Special Guest Dani Winter-Bates - Episode 9
April 09, 2019 05:00 - 49 minutes - 45.2 MBHeading up a band, playing in front of a mere 50,000 people and touring the world sounds like an intensely full-time role. Don't be fooled, Daniel Winter-Bates, lead singer of the band Bury Tomorrow is as grounded as you and I. He is not your ordinary musician. Whilst doing all of that, he still works as an Operations Manager at NHS Southern Health Trust and absolutely loves it. Daren't we say too much, as all is revealed in the latest episode of the Talkin' About Podcast in this special g...
Talkin' About... Mental health and Education - Episode 8
April 02, 2019 05:32 - 22 minutes - 20.2 MBThis week on the podcast we’re talkin' about mental health in the education system. After a meeting with YoungMinds and Ofsted, George takes us through what is happening to change the inspection criteria of how schools are going to be more focused on mental wellbeing as apposed to academic grades. As well as touching on various other subjects surrounding why it’s important education teaches us about mental health as a whole. We know about drugs, and sex, why not mental health problems and sym...
Talkin' About... Mental health in the Workplace - Episode 7
March 26, 2019 07:31 - 23 minutes - 21.5 MBOn Episode 7 we're Talkin' About Mental health in the Workplace Stay tuned as the podcast grows in a positive way! If you feel like you need to talk to someone: youngminds.org.uk/ www.helpmusicians.org.uk/ www.mind.org.uk/ www.time-to-change.org.uk/ www.samaritans.org/ hubofhope.co.uk/ www.maisondechoup.co.uk Follow us on: Instagram - @maisondechoup Twitter - @maisondechoup Facebook - Search Maison de Choup George - @georgedhodgson (Instagram) Charlotte - @crltte (Instagram)
Talkin' About... Animals and Mental Health - Episode 6
March 19, 2019 06:44 - 19 minutes - 18.2 MBOn Episode 6 we're Talkin’ About animals and our mental health. Stay tuned as the podcast grows in a positive way! If you feel like you need to talk to someone: youngminds.org.uk/ www.helpmusicians.org.uk/ www.mind.org.uk/ www.time-to-change.org.uk/ www.samaritans.org/ hubofhope.co.uk/ www.maisondechoup.co.uk Follow us on: Instagram - @maisondechoup Twitter - @maisondechoup Facebook - Search Maison de Choup George - @georgedhodgson (Instagram) Charlotte - @crltte (Instagram)
Talkin' About... The Older Generation - Episode 5
March 13, 2019 22:34 - 15 minutes - 14 MBOn Episode 5 we're Talkin’ About the older generations and their mental health. What was it that made it such a taboo topic to talk about? Because they didn’t have any labels or diagnosis, did this mean that mental health problems essentially didn’t exist? What affect did the war have on our current mental health? All things we touch on to understand what changed and why some older people are still strict about not talking. This episode is dedicated to our grandmother who passed away aged 92,...
Talkin' About... Music & Mental Health - Episode 4
February 12, 2019 00:02 - 24 minutes - 22.4 MBIs techno emotionless? And what does the shape of Almond have to do with how your brain processes music? On Episode 4 we're Talkin’ About music on the brain and how different genres affect us in certain ways. Not only that, we talk about how we got stuck in a Psy Forest at Boomtown Festival for 4 hours listening to techno music in the sand. This is certainly an episode for music lovers because we go from discussing Dizzee Rascal to Downton Abbey. Stay tuned as the podcast grows in a positive...
Talkin' About.... Charlotte's Story & Depression - Episode 3
February 07, 2019 09:19 - 37 minutes - 34.5 MBOne morning after my "two week break" from London, mum and dad said "I think it might be an idea if you went to the doctor's love" I just thought, "Why? There's nothing wrong with me! I just need a couple more weeks! How could I be depressed?!" On Episode 3 we’re Talkin’ About Charlotte's story and all things Depression! We go through Charlotte's story right form the beginning up until now and then cover the stories of two young people who were very willing to share their experiences with Dep...
Talkin' About... Your questions - Episode 2
January 29, 2019 13:49 - 21 minutes - 19.3 MBWhat are your thoughts on the end of the world? From Inception to now, what is the most enjoyable part of running a small business? What skin care routine do you use? Just a few of the questions we received from you! On Episode 2 we’re Talkin’ About the questions you sent in and answering them as honestly and informatively as possibly, with a bit of insight as well. What questions do you have? Stay tuned as the podcast grows in a positive way! www.maisondechoup.co.uk Follow us on: Instagr...
Talkin' About... George's Story - Episode 1
January 28, 2019 07:46 - 12 minutes - 11.8 MBThe Talkin’ About podcast brought to you by Maison de Choup, the fashion brand with a mental health cause at it’s heart. On Episode 1 we’re Talkin’ About George’s Story, how he started Maison de Choup and what’s to come on this exciting new journey. Co-hosted by sister Charlotte, who the brand is named after, together as siblings we explore the world of suffering from a mental illness and how it affects us, to inviting guests on the show to talk about subjects including but not limited to; A...