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Software People Stories

302 episodes - English - Latest episode: 12 days ago - ★★★★★ - 2 ratings

Stories of what worked and sometimes what did not, in the course of discovering, designing, developing and delivering software based solutions – as shared by practitioners who went through these situations.

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Startup founders formula with Sai Krishna

July 16, 2022 15:01 - 23 minutes - 13.6 MB

In this episode, Sai Krishna, a serial entrepreneur, who calls himself a metaverse plumber, loves creating interesting applications based on emerging and maturing technologies. In this conversation, he shares How a decentralized squad model, working with local partners and having an engineering focus for differentiation would help scale and localize, as needed How to build an organization to realize the vision of the founders Cadence of 2 weeks or 12 weeks, multi-skilled squads Willingne...

Plumbing for the metaverse with Sai Krishna

July 09, 2022 12:06 - 24 minutes - 15.6 MB

In this episode, Sai Krishna, a serial entrepreneur, who calls himself a metaverse plumber, loves creating interesting applications based on emerging and maturing technologies. In this conversation, he shares His adventures and misadventures in IT Hailing from a south Indian family that emphasized education Moving to Bangalore to continue his education in RV College His attraction to build products, more with an intention of having fun in doing it His first product in the education spac...

Finding solutions with self reliance with Usha

July 01, 2022 01:33 - 38 minutes - 27.7 MB

In this episode, Usha from PM Power Consulting is in conversation with Chitra and shares her 3 plus decades of experience in software and technology around - Working at Raman institute for 10 years, her first exposure to computing  A research institute expects you to do your own learning, but of course Writing programs for 'astronomical' data analysis and structures of crystals in pascal & Fortran,  Finding logic was easy, testing with missing data and reconstructing it was challenging ...

Techie turned investor with Abhay Havaldar

June 24, 2022 12:28 - 42 minutes - 23.5 MB

In this episode, Abhay Havaldar shares his story and experiences related to: Starting his IT career with a role in  testing software and going on to play other roles of marketing support and sales Product management and support with a dealing room package Always willing to experiment and joining a venture capital firm - Draper International Early stage investing, General Atlantic, India - and a boutique investment firm Why he got into IT How he positions an IT solution to a prospective...

OS, products, innovation and coaching with K Nageswar Rao (KNR)

June 17, 2022 01:51 - 39 minutes - 21.2 MB

In this episode, K Nageswara Rao - known as KNR - shares his story and experiences related to: Four threads related to his career Individual contributor, team leader Connecting digital switches in the telecom industry; each switch being a digital exchange Traveling to locations that he is not supposed to talk about, due to security reasons Joining Tata Unisys and learning a lot in terms of working with teams  Working on the operating system : Unix SVr4 Moving to the Solaris OS group w...

Writing for developers with Karl Hughes

June 12, 2022 02:30 - 38 minutes - 22.2 MB

In this episode, Karl Hughes, founder and CEO of Draft.dev, shares Starting his career, working with startups as a software engineer Taking on engineering management and CTO roles Covid triggering a shift to get into technical writing for developers How to think of documentation for developers, as an intentional activity His views on Agile approaches and documentation and the need to right size the documentation How the product maturity influences the need and depth of documentation W...

Using data for Organizational excellence with Satyendra Kumar = Part2

June 03, 2022 05:38 - 31 minutes - 15.6 MB

In this second  part of the conversation with an IT industry veteran, Satyendra Kumar, he shares His perspective on Agile approaches Agile approaches are good for certain contexts such as: products, supported by DevOps and other techniques May still be reluctant for systems such as critical, real-time systems [nuclear, aircraft etc] For services work, need to be careful; unless there is a strong risk management approach, it may be risky to use Agile approaches Examples from his experien...

Getting the bigger picture with Satyendra Kumar-Part1

May 26, 2022 18:30 - 27 minutes - 16.7 MB

In this first part of the conversation with an IT industry veteran, Satyendra Kumar, he shares Coming from a humble background and doing his initial education in a village Getting into Delhi University based on his good academic performance Having to take up a job, to meet some family needs How he chose a job in a defence agency and rising to a senior level Leaving his job and getting into consulting and quality Setting up the Tata Business Excellence Model for the group Working with ...

Product Thinking with Harish Achappa

May 20, 2022 09:45 - 34 minutes - 21.4 MB

In this episode, Harish Achappa KM shares Choosing mechanical engineering as a subject of study and getting into TCS engineering services Working on valves and compressors Getting into programming as part if his work The experience of having a paid vacation in Italy! How his interest in programming developed after starting to use C, C++ as a hobby Noticing differences in projects done at client locations v/s in India Working directly with users and feeding off the energy based on comm...

The joys of reading with Brij Sethi

May 14, 2022 06:40 - 33 minutes - 17.7 MB

In this episode, Brij Sethi, a Principal Consultant at PM Power, shares His growing up days in Pantnagar, near NainiTal His passion for reading books His liking for mathematics and wanting to be an engineer Being bitten by the electronics bug and electronics engineering in college Joining a masters in management in systems in IIM Ahmedabad Learning Transactional Analysis  Getting into a project to make ECG machines as an engineer, forgetting his MBA Joining WIPRO in 1993 and working ...

Abstracting needs, creating solutions with V Thyagarajan

May 06, 2022 10:27 - 36 minutes - 19.9 MB

In this episode, Thyagarajan, known as Raja - a Senior Management Executive and Chief Operating Officer with nearly 4 decades of experience in the IT industry involving International and multi-cultural environments, shares his story including points related to: How his uncle and brother were influential in getting into software after doing an MS in management Being part of a team that started a company, and being an entrepreneur without knowing it Being a pioneer in the Indian IT industry...

Being Objectively critical with Muktesh Murthy

April 29, 2022 04:09 - 38 minutes - 23 MB

In this episode, Muktesh Murthy, a practice head in the information security space, shares his story and touches upon Doing his schooling in many places, as his father was in the Army  His interest in accounts, commerce and economics and hospitality management Starting his career in hotel management and then getting into a computer course, as he wanted to get into roles where he can directly influence the results Doing some development work, then managing an account and later on becoming...

Rising to any Challenge with Cynthia Srinivas

April 22, 2022 05:28 - 35 minutes - 25.8 MB

In this episode Cynthia Swarnalatha Vice President – Engineering, SW CoE, Compute Business Group  & HPE India Site R&D leader, is in conversation with Chitra Gurjar on a variety of stories and matters that that span 3 decades and include  Choosing to study computer science with her love of math, being the 2nd batch of CompSc graduates from her college Having a “give-it-my-best” approach and curiosity to learn attitude starting with a role in customer tech support Navigating learning, deli...

Rising to any Challenge with Cynthia Swarnalatha

April 21, 2022 18:30 - 35 minutes - 25.8 MB

In this episode Cynthia Swarnalatha Vice President – Engineering, SW CoE, Compute Business Group & HPE India Site R&D leader, is in conversation with Chitra Gurjar on a variety of stories and matters that that span 3 decades and include  Choosing to study computer science with her love of math, being the 2nd batch of CompSc graduates from her college Having a “give-it-my-best” approach and curiosity to learn attitude starting with a role in customer tech support Navigating learning, deliv...

Innovating to save lives and more with Scott Schober

April 15, 2022 16:11 - 42 minutes - 29.2 MB

In this episode, Scott Schober, the president and CEO of Berkeley Varitronics Systems shares his experiences related to: Getting into the family business years ago, in niche areas solutions in wireless and security / cyber security Starting in 6th grade to learn about electronics Pivoted from wireless test equipment, shifted more towards security Being surrounded by electronics, computer etc in the home-based enterprise Playing on the Atari as a kid and getting interested How he always...

Being the best in the world with Tarush Aggarwal

April 09, 2022 02:06 - 27 minutes - 18.6 MB

In this conversation with Shiv, Tarush Aggarwal, CEO at 5X, shares his experience and views on: Starting as a software engineer and realizing that his interest lay in the bigger picture Working on a benchmarking application that later became an analytics theme Discovering the big picture from a lot of detailed data How zooming in and out of data lets one discover insights Data engineering being the bridge between business and the engineering team Handling unstructured data and data war...

The Glass is half full with Joseph Thalupadath

April 01, 2022 10:22 - 33 minutes - 19.9 MB

In this episode, Chitra is in conversation with Baiju Joseph, Product Operations leader where he shares events from his career from Starting out at AIR (All India Radio) as a broadcasting engineer & self-learning programming , developing a few apps for his workplace Work break after joining Novell, getting the latest and best system test training, and leadership training, acknowledging the influence of mentors Doing various leadership roles at Ariba, handling delivery, setting up quality ...

The Glass is half full with Baiju Joseph Thalupadath

March 31, 2022 18:30 - 33 minutes - 19.9 MB

In this episode, Chitra is in conversation with Baiju Joseph, Product Operations leader where he shares events from his career Starting out at AIR (All India Radio) as a broadcasting engineer & self-learning programming , developing a few apps for his workplace Work break after joining Novell, getting the latest and best system test training, and leadership training, acknowledging the influence of mentors Doing various leadership roles at Ariba, handling delivery, setting up quality engin...

Freedom is always there with Poornima Shenoy

March 25, 2022 06:31 - 34 minutes - 18.2 MB

In this conversation - as part of the Women’s month in 2022 - Shiv is in conversation with Poornima Shenoy, CEO - Hummingbird Advisors. Poornima shares her thoughts and experiences related to: Wanting to be in advertising when she started to work 30 years ago Starting her own company - Nexus - into recruitment and getting Wipro and Infosys as their first customers How the IT industry grew by attracting people with non IT backgrounds and how passion and integrity were the key skills that ...

Don't Predict just Adapt with Jaya Vaidhyanathan

March 17, 2022 18:30 - 34 minutes - 20.2 MB

In this episode, Gayatri is in conversation with Jaya Vaidhyanathan, CEO BCT DIgital . She shared her story, experiences and thoughts related to: How she started her career as an investment banker in wall street and moved to Accenture and HCL to head their large deal space in the financial sector With her technology background and her financial acumen, she found her footing in several leadership roles in HCL, Accenture and Standard Chartered After holding several executive posts, Jaya loo...

Starting young with Anjali Jayaraman

March 11, 2022 05:29 - 24 minutes - 15.1 MB

In this episode, Shiv is in conversation with Anjali, a 11 year old girl, who has been into coding since she was 7. Anjali shares: Her interest in horses and dogs, and other interests How she got into coding Calling herself an introvert, but enjoying competition Using logic to interact with animals What she likes and doesn't like about coding Creating a tic-tac-toe to play with an AI opponent About writing programs alone or with others sometimes How she comes up with ideas when enter...

Promoting conversations with Krupa NS

March 05, 2022 08:21 - 38 minutes - 22.4 MB

In this conversation, Krupa, a senior HR professional, shared her story, experiences and thoughts related to: Her first job, by chance, to get into IT training Moving to software firms later Having a natural inclination to be in HR Her family [of HR people] How the relationship between HR and technical persons has evolved over the years Increasing use of analytics by HR Data alone cannot be the basis for interacting with an individual How the first level or reporting manager is the s...

If you are not growing, you are falling behind with Joseph Wong

February 26, 2022 08:10 - 31 minutes - 17.5 MB

In this episode, Gayatri is in conversation with Joseph Wong, General Manager, Asia Pacific & Japan, OpenLegacy and Board Member of AppSolute Ltd talks about his career journey, Joseph shares Born in Hong Kong, moved to Canada to complete his studies and worked in the US, Australia and now working in Hong Kong Joseph understood early on that he enjoyed working in smaller companies and scaling it His consulting  experiences helped him enjoy very different domains starting from gaming to CR...

Venturing beyond your comfort zone with Jacob Kurian - part 2

February 19, 2022 05:36 - 30 minutes - 17.1 MB

In this episode Shiv continues the conversation with Jacob Kurian, an Indian IT industry veteran and presently Hon. Secretary, The Association of People with Disability, Bangalore. In the previous episode, Jacob talked about a cold-relationship with a senior executive at Unisys and how that changed. He mentioned a call received from GE to explore the possibility of getting software developed in India. Jacob shares: What happened to the GE opportunity and how that was a significant event f...

Venturing beyond your comfort zone with Jacob Kurian - part 1

February 11, 2022 18:30 - 39 minutes - 22.3 MB

In this episode, Shiv is in conversation with Jacob Kurian, an Indian IT industry veteran and presently Hon. Secretary, The Association of People with Disability, Bangalore. Jacob has so many stories to share, that we decided to publish this in 2 parts. In the first part, Jacob shares His early childhood and how his father was a great influence in his wanting to be an engineer What his life lessons were, staying in a hostel for further schooling His first role related to project managem...

Being in the learning zone with Kartic Vaidhayanathan

February 05, 2022 09:31 - 42 minutes - 27.5 MB

In this episode, Gayatri is in conversation with Kartic Vaidhyanathan, Founder of Play 2 Learn and visiting faculty at IIT Madras shared his journey  Talks about accidentally becoming part of the technology journey due to the sheer popularity of studying in a premier institute  Kartic shares the story of becoming a visiting faculty teaching life and coping skills in IIT Madras Kartic shares the need for EQ and life skills are needed to build better adults and he also credits for the visio...

Being in the learning zone with Kartic Vaidyanathan

February 04, 2022 18:30 - 42 minutes - 27.5 MB

In this episode, Gayatri is in conversation with Kartic Vaidyanathan, Founder of Play 2 Learn and visiting faculty at IIT Madras shared his journey  Talks about accidentally becoming part of the technology journey due to the sheer popularity of studying in a premier institute  Kartic shares the story of becoming a visiting faculty teaching life and coping skills in IIT Madras Kartic shares the need for EQ and life skills are needed to build better adults and he also credits for the vision...

Riding the Sinusoidal wave with Prakash Bulusu

January 28, 2022 18:30 - 47 minutes - 26 MB

In this episode, Gayatri is in conversation with Prakash Bulusu, Vice President Customer Behavior Analytics at Amazon Inc.  Prakash works with Peta bytes of data on a regular basis to identify and predict what consumers would like to use His early memory of computers started with using AC while playing Nintendo games and amazed at the computer networks in his alumni NIT Trichy Shares an interesting story on why he took up his MS after 3.5 years of undergrad. His fascination in e-commerce ...

Leapfrogging the technology with Pallav Prakash

January 22, 2022 09:32 - 38 minutes - 23 MB

In this episode, Gayatri is in conversation with Pallav Prakash Indian Navy veteran and program manager at Zum Talks about starting in technology in early 1980s by way of merit and got passionate about computers He talks about implementing high critical projects in submarines and speaks about them as ‘point of no return’  Talks about the pride of careering a Indian passport stemming from the Indian software people across the globe with special mention towards women Talks about the pride ...

Understanding the Why first with Nani Narayanan Srinivasan

January 15, 2022 12:18 - 40 minutes - 22.4 MB

In this episode, Shiv is in conversation with Nani Narayanan Srinivasan, who is the leader, Data Sciences at HomeUnion and has been in the IT industry for over four decades. In this conversation, Nani talks about: Studying metallurgy and getting exposed to programming to design a blast furnace. Wanting to be in the systems software, Telecom and R&D side of computing. Opportunity to work on a project which was more of R&D, to implement a hot standby and takeover algorithm for mainframes. ...

Immersing into data lineage and career contours with Sriram Rangarajan

January 07, 2022 13:59 - 37 minutes - 19.8 MB

Wishing you all a very happy new year 2022!! In this episode, Gayatri is in conversation with Sriram Rangarajan, Accomplished Data Analytics Leader at IBM shared his data journey  His role as an enterprise data architect and what lenses he has to wear Ways to get started collecting, analysing and gaining insights from data How can young engineers joining the data ecosystem look at data Data to be viewed through the business process and lifecycle  Ways of managing complexities across or...

Curiosity and crafting stories with Sivakumar

December 31, 2021 03:15 - 18 minutes - 10.3 MB

Continuing our special series for the year end, Shiv asks colleague PM Powerian Sivakumar (Shiv)  how he has developed a curiosity mindset and how he weaves them into stories and more. This series of conversations will help you reflect on the year that was and identify some actions you may want to take in the new year. You can reach him @ https://pm-powerconsulting.com/experts/sivakumar/ https://www.linkedin.com/in/sivakumar-subramanyan-1a78101/

Power of Observation and Note Taking with Vasu

December 25, 2021 14:39 - 21 minutes - 12.5 MB

Continuing our special series for the year end, Shiv asks colleague PM Powerian Vasu how he is so observant and able to take copious notes during meetings and more This series of conversations will help you reflect on the year that was and identify some actions you may want to take in the new year You can reach him at Linkedin : https://www.linkedin.com/in/svasudev/ https://pm-powerconsulting.com/experts/vasu/

Maintaining calm under pressure with Gopalan

December 17, 2021 15:19 - 22 minutes - 12.1 MB

Continuing our special series for the year end, Shiv asks colleague PM Powerian Gopalan how he stays calm even under pressure and more This series of conversations will help you reflect on the year that was and identify some actions you may want to take in the new year. More about Gopal at https://pm-powerconsulting.com/experts/gopalan/ Can reach Gopal @ https://www.linkedin.com/in/gopalgopalan/

From ideas to actions with Paramu Kurumathur

December 09, 2021 18:30 - 23 minutes - 12.9 MB

In this episode, Paramu Kurumathur, Consultant at PM Power consulting talks about various situations in his career. When he had the opportunity to latch on to an idea, develop it to concrete action. He talks about how there are many ways to do that and that age is no bar, based on his own experience. Specifically, he talks about the following approaches that have helped him- Explore, expand an idea Collaborate Research, learn, internalize, let it simmer : one day, it will come out Look...

Pacing your activities with Raghu Viswanathan

December 02, 2021 18:30 - 32 minutes - 17.7 MB

In this episode, Raghu Viswanathan, knows as Raghu, shares his story with details of Being an alumnus of the Indian Statistical Institute, Kolkata, which got the first computer in India His initial ‘hate’ for computer science, mainly due to the use of punched cards! Joining TCS [Tata Consultancy Services] as a management consultant Having to play the role of an IBM expert on his first overseas project, as an individual contributor with no other colleagues with him Being asked to teach I...

When Passion is Work with Raksha Rao

November 26, 2021 13:45 - 28 minutes - 15.9 MB

In this episode Raksha Rao, CEO and Co-Founder of Parjanya Creative Solutions using interactive media technologies in the space of health, fitness and arts, is in conversation with Chitra Gurjar A trained classical vocalist, starting at age 4 and working with music via interactive media Melding technology and health & fitness Learning and pushing herself with challenges and problem solving, always interested in the "Why", beginning of entrepreneurship A desire to see the larger picture a...

Career transition success mantras with Nash Narasimhan

November 20, 2021 04:04 - 48 minutes - 29.7 MB

In this conversation, Nash Narasimhan, GM of Ecommerce business of HP India, shares his experience and perspectives related to  His academic qualifications include being an engineer and MBA Starting his career with Eicher and then moving to Muscat and becoming a product manager for a Ford dealership Returning to India for a role, actually two - with HCL and then moving to DEC (Digital Equipment Corporation)  Getting an intrapreneurial opportunity to set up the online store for Compaq, wh...

Making the Leap with Raghu Srinivas

November 13, 2021 04:18 - 37 minutes - 20.8 MB

In this episode, Raghu Srinivas, Change and Transformation Lead in HSBC, is in conversation with Gayatri Kalyanaraman sharing his career journey and decisions that led him to where he is Raghu started as a developer in TCS after completing his education in Bangalore He was inspired by him mentor to broaden his horizon and desire to move to Business Made an internal transition to business and now leads the strategic transformations in HSBC Raghu believes that having a good business sense ...

Transitions to Middle Management with Dr Krishna Prasad

November 07, 2021 09:08 - 23 minutes - 12.8 MB

In this episode, Krishna Prasad, known as KP - Coach at PM Power shares his experience related to Being a coach Why middle management is usually underserved in terms of coaching help How he had handled his own personal transition from an individual contributor to a middle manager His expertise Areas – New Product Development, Product Management, Lean-Agile Transformation, Digital Transformation, Leadership His education background includes, Ph. D from Indian Institute of Science, Master...

Building Communities with Naresh Jain

October 29, 2021 12:12 - 41 minutes - 23.4 MB

In this episode, Naresh Jain, Developer, Consultant, Conference Producer and Startup Founder of Xnsio  shares his insights and experiences related to  -  Starting his career 20 years back building Neural networks for ISRO, and how he got into corporate life -  His experience reading the paper “Test infected” by Kent. How it helped him see the value behind extreme programming -  How he and his friends put together the first Agile India conference from 2004 -  Challenges t...

Lifelong learning with Dr. Asoke Talukder

October 23, 2021 03:10 - 47 minutes - 24.8 MB

In this conversation, Dr Asoke Talukder shares his experience and perspectives related to  His aspiration to be in performing arts, when he was young Winning in a detective story writing competition, getting into puppetry and becoming a leading shadow puppeteer in Kolkata  Wanting to get into a teaching role, attracted by the vacation periods, to pursue his other performing arts interests Starting his programming as a research scholar at Jadavpur university Then joining the National Inf...

One Shot at a Time with Seema Joshi

October 16, 2021 18:30 - 41 minutes - 26 MB

In this episode, Seema Joshi, global product leader at NICE is in conversation with Chitra Gurjar sharing her insights and experiences through Qualifying as a Civil Engineer, and doing site work, to pursuing an MBA and her first job in tech Moving into tech and landing different jobs, finding what she wanted to do Working on the frontlines of technology Her life as a technical account manager and helping close sales deals Learning about personas, how customers buy, who influences, who u...

Having an experimental mindset with Tom Henriksen

October 08, 2021 06:41 - 37 minutes - 24.4 MB

In this conversation, Tom Henriksen talks about Starting a career in sales and then getting into tech Getting into Agile, as part of a team adopting Agile practices, under a manager’s guidance His experience of transitioning from an individual contributor to a manager Understanding the importance of human skills in agile teams Some interesting learnings from patterns of behavior in teams, particularly those based on misconceptions The fact that humans are hard, code is easy Learning t...

Transferring knowledge to others with Gopalaswamy Ramesh

September 30, 2021 18:30 - 51 minutes - 28.3 MB

In this episode Ramesh shares his experience and perspectives related to His interest in software and programming that was fueled by an IIT professor teaching programming One of the very few who did a software project as part of his degree and then joining Tata Burroughs from campus, as the first batch Getting back to academics to get his Master’s degree How his extra learning at IISc and the work experience in the first couple of years helped him skip a few courses and jump into more ad...

Progressively being in the Discomfort zone with Jayashree Rajagopalan

September 24, 2021 09:27 - 33 minutes - 21.1 MB

In this conversation, Jayashree Rajagopalan, Engineering Lead in Amazon shares her experience and perspectives related to  Started technology journey by being inspired by peers and deeply passionate to improve Shares her humble beginnings from the temple town of Trichy and joined Robert Bosch Higher education after a marriage break gave way to structured thinking Jayashree shares her passion in music and how her current work in Amazon music has brought her two world together She shares ...

Solving your manager’s problems with Anantha Natarajan

September 16, 2021 18:30 - 29 minutes - 18 MB

Please vote for the Software People Stories podcast under the Business and Entrepreneurship category for the Hubhopper Awards at https://www.community.hubhopper.com/hubhopper-awards Thank you In this conversation, Anantha Natarajan - known as Anand - a colleague and coach at PM Power Consulting, he shares his experience and perspectives related to coaching senior leaders and mid level managers How he had to rediscover himself and his approach while working with experienced managers and le...

Putting more software into hardware with Srinivasa Raghavan

September 10, 2021 06:14 - 45 minutes - 27.2 MB

In this conversation, S Srinivasa Raghavan better known as SS or Raghavan, shares his experience and perspectives on How we mutually influenced each other in choosing our careers in hardware and software Being strong in English grammar, that helped him though the came from a tamil medium education Getting to know the power of  programmability in a calculator and being inducted into FORTRAN Developing an interest in software as a way to solve problems more than writing programs About cam...

Getting things done with Jayaraman (Raghu) Raghuraman

September 02, 2021 18:30 - 36 minutes - 22.1 MB

In this conversation, Jayaraman Raghuraman - known as Raghu - SVP – Digital Engineering and Tech.Debt, Schneider Electric shares his experience and perspectives on How he became a software developer.. And likes to all himself a software developer About his aptitude to solve problems in math or trivia etc. How he was lucky to be at the right time for this industry Though interested in computers, he had to choose an elective in electronics and instrumentation Taking a gap year, joining a ...

The art of saying no with Raminder Rathore

August 26, 2021 00:10 - 40 minutes - 23.7 MB

In this conversation, Raminder Rathore, a senior DevOps specialist,  shares her experience and perspectives on How her getting into IT was destined, based on her father’s foresight If you learn something, it is always good to share it with others [and teaching is a good option] Her first career transition from a teacher to a developer Taking on other roles such as a tester and business analyst Getting a break to be a consultant - a problem solver and liking it Becoming a tools consulta...

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