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The Joyful Mom Podcast

322 episodes - English - Latest episode: 5 days ago - ★★★★★ - 24 ratings

I’m Megan Hillukka, a mother to a large family, a wife, business owner, homeschooling mom, and this podcast shows you how to find joy in motherhood, even when it’s busy, overwhelming, and chaotic, so that you can have peace, energy, and be the mom you thought you would be. We’ll talk about mental health, business, homemaking, marriage, raising kids, and more, all the ups and downs that a mother might experience in her life as she raises her family. This is the Joyful Mom Podcast.

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149: Is Rock Bottom Inevitable?

July 14, 2022 05:00 - 18 minutes - 13 MB

For the full episode show notes CLICK HERE If you like this podcast, and found it helpful, I want to invite you come check out Grieving Moms Haven, my monthly community for Grieving moms, where you can learn positive coping mechanisms, find a safe space with others who understand, and learn life long skills that support you as you learn how to carry this weight of grief in your life. There are group coaching calls where we do guided meditations, tapping meditations, breathwork, and just ta...

148: Giving With Resentment

July 07, 2022 05:00 - 13 minutes - 9.13 MB

For the full show notes for this episode go here If you like this podcast, and found it helpful, I want to invite you come check out Grieving Moms Haven, my monthly community for Grieving moms, where you can learn positive coping mechanisms, find a safe space with others who understand, and learn life long skills that support you as you learn how to carry this weight of grief in your life. There are group coaching calls where we do guided meditations, tapping meditations, breathwork, and j...

147 Relearning How to Feel Emotions

June 23, 2022 05:00 - 15 minutes - 10.4 MB

To see the full show notes for this episode: CLICK HERE If you like this podcast, and found it helpful, I want to invite you come check out Grieving Moms Haven, my monthly community for Grieving moms, where you can learn positive coping mechanisms, find a safe space with others who understand, and learn life long skills that support you as you learn how to carry this weight of grief in your life. There are group coaching calls where we do guided meditations, tapping meditations, breathwork...

146: Grief and Trauma

June 16, 2022 14:00 - 38 minutes - 26.2 MB

For the full episode show notes CLICK HERE If you like this podcast, and found it helpful, I want to invite you come check out Grieving Moms Haven, my monthly community for Grieving moms, where you can learn positive coping mechanisms, find a safe space with others who understand, and learn life long skills that support you as you learn how to carry this weight of grief in your life. There are group coaching calls where we do guided meditations, tapping meditations, breathwork, and just ta...

145: Shame Cycle

June 09, 2022 05:00 - 17 minutes - 12 MB

To get the full show notes for this episode click here If you like this podcast, and found it helpful, I want to invite you come check out Grieving Moms Haven, my monthly community for Grieving moms, where you can learn positive coping mechanisms, find a safe space with others who understand, and learn life long skills that support you as you learn how to carry this weight of grief in your life. There are group coaching calls where we do guided meditations, tapping meditations, breathwork,...

144: Anticipatory Grief With Nancy Jensen

June 02, 2022 05:00 - 49 minutes - 34.3 MB

To get the full show notes for this episode click here If you like this podcast, and found it helpful, I want to invite you come check out Grieving Moms Haven, my monthly community for Grieving moms, where you can learn positive coping mechanisms, find a safe space with others who understand, and learn life long skills that support you as you learn how to carry this weight of grief in your life. There are group coaching calls where we do guided meditations, tapping meditations, breathwork,...

143: Becoming Aware in Your Grief

May 26, 2022 05:00 - 20 minutes - 14.3 MB

For the full episode show notes click here! If you like this podcast, and found it helpful, I want to invite you come check out Grieving Moms Haven, my monthly community for Grieving moms, where you can learn positive coping mechanisms, find a safe space with others who understand, and learn life long skills that support you as you learn how to carry this weight of grief in your life. There are group coaching calls where we do guided meditations, tapping meditations, breathwork, and just t...

142: Visualization as a Grief Tool

May 19, 2022 05:00 - 8 minutes - 6.21 MB

To get the full show notes for this episode you can go here If you like this podcast, and found it helpful, I want to invite you come check out Grieving Moms Haven, my monthly community for Grieving moms, where you can learn positive coping mechanisms, find a safe space with others who understand, and learn life long skills that support you as you learn how to carry this weight of grief in your life. There are group coaching calls where we do guided meditations, tapping meditations, breath...

141: Good Grief Parenting With Michele Benyo

May 12, 2022 05:00 - 39 minutes - 27 MB

To get the full show notes for this episode you can click here. If you like this podcast, and found it helpful, I want to invite you come check out Grieving Moms Haven, my monthly community for Grieving moms, where you can learn positive coping mechanisms, find a safe space with others who understand, and learn life long skills that support you as you learn how to carry this weight of grief in your life. There are group coaching calls where we do guided meditations, tapping meditations, br...

140: 3 Types of Business

May 05, 2022 05:00 - 14 minutes - 9.78 MB

You can find all the show notes for this episode HERE If you like this podcast, and found it helpful, I want to invite you come check out Grieving Moms Haven, my monthly community for Grieving moms, where you can learn positive coping mechanisms, find a safe space with others who understand, and learn life long skills that support you as you learn how to carry this weight of grief in your life. There are group coaching calls where we do guided meditations, tapping meditations, breathwork, ...

139: Conflict and Connection in Marriage With Brett Nikula

April 28, 2022 05:00 - 38 minutes - 26.4 MB

You can find the full show notes for this episode HERE If you like this podcast, and found it helpful, I want to invite you come check out Grieving Moms Haven, my monthly community for Grieving moms, where you can learn positive coping mechanisms, find a safe space with others who understand, and learn life long skills that support you as you learn how to carry this weight of grief in your life. There are group coaching calls where we do guided meditations, tapping meditations, breathwork,...

138: A Look Inside of Grieving Moms Haven

April 21, 2022 05:00 - 13 minutes - 9.32 MB

For the full show notes you can click the link here If you like this podcast, and found it helpful, I want to invite you come check out Grieving Moms Haven, my monthly community for Grieving moms, where you can learn positive coping mechanisms, find a safe space with others who understand, and learn life long skills that support you as you learn how to carry this weight of grief in your life. There are group coaching calls where we do guided meditations, tapping meditations, breathwork, an...

137: 5 Reasons You Might Not Try Something That Would Help

April 14, 2022 05:00 - 15 minutes - 10.8 MB

You can check out the full show notes for this episode here If you like this podcast, and found it helpful, I want to invite you come check out Grieving Moms Haven, my monthly community for Grieving moms, where you can learn positive coping mechanisms, find a safe space with others who understand, and learn life long skills that support you as you learn how to carry this weight of grief in your life. There are group coaching calls where we do guided meditations, tapping meditations, breath...

136: Spiritual Bypassing

April 07, 2022 05:00 - 13 minutes - 9.51 MB

To see the full show notes for this episode CLICK HERE! If you like this podcast, and found it helpful, I want to invite you come check out Grieving Moms Haven, my monthly community for Grieving moms, where you can learn positive coping mechanisms, find a safe space with others who understand, and learn life long skills that support you as you learn how to carry this weight of grief in your life. There are group coaching calls where we do guided meditations, tapping meditations, breathwork...

135 Creating a Life of Struggle

March 31, 2022 05:00 - 14 minutes - 9.73 MB

You can find the full show notes for this episode here If you like this podcast, and found it helpful, I want to invite you come check out Grieving Moms Haven, my monthly community for Grieving moms, where you can learn positive coping mechanisms, find a safe space with others who understand, and learn life long skills that support you as you learn how to carry this weight of grief in your life. There are group coaching calls where we do guided meditations, tapping meditations, breathwork,...

134: Snapshots of Life After Loss With Gracelyn

March 24, 2022 05:00 - 50 minutes - 34.8 MB

You can find the full show notes and how to connect with Gracelyn by clicking here. If you like this podcast, and found it helpful, I want to invite you come check out Grieving Moms Haven, my monthly community for Grieving moms, where you can learn positive coping mechanisms, find a safe space with others who understand, and learn life long skills that support you as you learn how to carry this weight of grief in your life. There are group coaching calls where we do guided meditations, tap...

133 Not All Your Feelings Are Real

March 17, 2022 05:00 - 14 minutes - 10.2 MB

To see the full episode show notes click here! If you like this podcast, and found it helpful, I want to invite you come check out Grieving Moms Haven, my monthly community for Grieving moms, where you can learn positive coping mechanisms, find a safe space with others who understand, and learn life long skills that support you as you learn how to carry this weight of grief in your life. There are group coaching calls where we do guided meditations, tapping meditations, breathwork, and jus...

132 How Do You Know If You Need Help?

March 10, 2022 06:00 - 14 minutes - 9.72 MB

Show Notes for this episode can be found here If you like this podcast, and found it helpful, I want to invite you come check out Grieving Moms Haven, my monthly community for Grieving moms, where you can learn positive coping mechanisms, find a safe space with others who understand, and learn life long skills that support you as you learn how to carry this weight of grief in your life. There are group coaching calls where we do guided meditations, tapping meditations, breathwork, and just...

131: When Others in Your Life Don't Let Your Grieve

March 03, 2022 06:00 - 15 minutes - 10.7 MB

You can find the show notes for this episode at www.meganhillukka.com/podcast/131 If you like this podcast, and found it helpful, I want to invite you come check out Grieving Moms Haven, my monthly community for Grieving moms, where you can learn positive coping mechanisms, find a safe space with others who understand, and learn life long skills that support you as you learn how to carry this weight of grief in your life. There are group coaching calls where we do guided meditations, tappi...

130: Using Your Breath to Connect With Your Body

February 24, 2022 06:00 - 38 minutes - 26.7 MB

If you like this podcast, and found it helpful, I want to invite you come check out Grieving Moms Haven, my monthly community for Grieving moms, where you can learn positive coping mechanisms, find a safe space with others who understand, and learn life long skills that support you as you learn how to carry this weight of grief in your life. There are group coaching calls where we do guided meditations, tapping meditations, breathwork, and just talk, knowing that everyone in the group is al...

129: Having Hard Conversations

February 17, 2022 06:00 - 18 minutes - 12.8 MB

If you like this podcast, and found it helpful, I want to invite you come check out Grieving Moms Haven, my monthly community for Grieving moms, where you can learn positive coping mechanisms, find a safe space with others who understand, and learn life long skills that support you as you learn how to carry this weight of grief in your life. There are group coaching calls where we do guided meditations, tapping meditations, breathwork, and just talk, knowing that everyone in the group is al...

128: Changing Your Thoughts From the Inside

February 10, 2022 06:00 - 10 minutes - 7.4 MB

If you like this podcast, and found it helpful, I want to invite you come check out Grieving Moms Haven, my monthly community for Grieving moms, where you can learn positive coping mechanisms, find a safe space with others who understand, and learn life long skills that support you as you learn how to carry this weight of grief in your life. There are group coaching calls where we do guided meditations, tapping meditations, breathwork, and just talk, knowing that everyone in the group is al...

127: Letting Go of the Fight

February 03, 2022 06:00 - 13 minutes - 9.09 MB

If you like this podcast, and found it helpful, I want to invite you come check out Grieving Moms Haven, my monthly community for Grieving moms, where you can learn positive coping mechanisms, find a safe space with others who understand, and learn life long skills that support you as you learn how to carry this weight of grief in your life. There are group coaching calls where we do guided meditations, tapping meditations, breathwork, and just talk, knowing that everyone in the group is a...

126: Teaching Others About Grief (Part 3)

January 27, 2022 06:00 - 14 minutes - 10.1 MB

Full Episode Show Notes Here If you like this podcast, and found it helpful, I want to invite you come check out Grieving Moms Haven, my monthly community for Grieving moms, where you can learn positive coping mechanisms, find a safe space with others who understand, and learn life long skills that support you as you learn how to carry this weight of grief in your life. There are group coaching calls where we do guided meditations, tapping meditations, breathwork, and just talk, knowing th...

125: Teaching Others About Grief (Part 2)

January 20, 2022 06:00 - 10 minutes - 6.93 MB

Find the full show notes here If you like this podcast, and found it helpful, I want to invite you come check out Grieving Moms Haven, my monthly community for Grieving moms, where you can learn positive coping mechanisms, find a safe space with others who understand, and learn life long skills that support you as you learn how to carry this weight of grief in your life. There are group coaching calls where we do guided meditations, tapping meditations, breathwork, and just talk, knowing t...

124: Teaching Others About Grief (Part 1)

January 13, 2022 06:00 - 18 minutes - 12.5 MB

You can find the show notes to this podcast HERE If you like this podcast, and found it helpful, I want to invite you come check out Grieving Moms Haven, my monthly community for Grieving moms, where you can learn positive coping mechanisms, find a safe space with others who understand, and learn life long skills that support you as you learn how to carry this weight of grief in your life. There are group coaching calls where we do guided meditations, tapping meditations, breathwork, and j...

123 Walking into a New Year

January 07, 2022 03:00 - 12 minutes - 8.82 MB

So- here’s to hoping 2022 can be a year of gentleness on your heart, and a time where you can hold compassion, gentleness, and love for yourself as you are walking the hardest journey one can ever be asked to walk. I see you there, doing the best you can, with the horrific pain you are carrying, and it still feels like it’s never enough. It’s a lot, it really is. So please be gentle on yourself and know that grief is very intense. You got this. And if you want to join a safe space with other...

122: The Power of AND

November 18, 2021 07:00 - 11 minutes - 10.4 MB

Episode Pointers : Using the word AND, helps expand your energy, awareness, and opens up things for your brain to register in a way that’s pretty amazing. We don’t have to live in black and white. Let’s add the AND in there. I’m feeling lighter today, AND I still miss and love my child. I’m feeling lighter today, AND I’m so grateful I have a moment of reprieve. I’m feeling lighter today, AND I know I will never forget my child. I’m feeling lighter today, AND I am learning how to carry ...

121: When Wishes Change with Tricia Roos

November 11, 2021 07:00 - 49 minutes - 34.2 MB

Episode Pointers: You know that the person is dying, but you do everything to make the situation comfortable. You provide until the end of life. Each one of our stories is so personal to us and so, the grief is so deep. There is no normal for grief, whatever it is for you is okay. In grief, it’s not that you are necessarily ever going to be healed or ever just check the box that you’re over it. Grief is gonna be there always. Once when we are kind of exhausted from the treadmill of tryi...

120: 3 Ideas to Support You Through the Holidays

November 04, 2021 06:00 - 16 minutes - 11.5 MB

Holiday season is a time for happiness and making good memories with your loved ones. How can a grieving mom experience true happiness if she is still having intense pain and longing for her child? In these special holiday episodes,I am going to help you in going through this holiday season. Here are my practical tips for you:   1. Have a plan A, plan, B, and plan C. Because you truly don’t know when a grief wave will hit, and it’s helpful to have something else you can do if you are j...

119: How Much Do You Judge Yourself In Your Grief?

October 28, 2021 06:00 - 20 minutes - 16.7 MB

Episode Pointers: Judgment is anytime you think you should be doing better, differently, or than you are.  This quadruples the pain and takes precious energy away from just grieving.  Judgment and shame are huge reasons why grief is so much more difficult.  When you lead with curiosity, you can begin to explore what emotions you are having.  One of the most difficult things we can do in our lives is, to be honest with ourselves about our experiences.  One of the hardest things to do as...

118: Have You Become Comfortable?

October 21, 2021 06:00 - 14 minutes - 13.1 MB

Episode Pointers: When grief first comes into your world, it’s so foreign. The grief wave of emotion almost feels too big to bear. But as time goes on, and this cloud of sadness hovers over your life, and nothing seems to make it go away. As you get comfortable with that cloud of sadness, it becomes your new normal.  But just because you have become comfortable with guilt, sadness, or anger, doesn’t mean you have to stay there. Just like our thoughts, our emotions can become a habit.  I...

117: Mental Health and Addiction with Aaron Huey

October 14, 2021 06:00 - 59 minutes - 43.4 MB

Disclaimer: This episode talks about mental health, addiction, sexual assault and suicide. Episode Pointers: Take care of yourself. Self-care is all you can truly model for your children.  Everything that crumbles or catapults you into guilt and shame comes from a lack of self care and lack of adult relationships. There are 5 things a parent can do when their child has spun so completely out of control. They are :  sleep, drink water, have healthy nutritious meals, move your body and bre...

116 : Building Your Grief Toolbox

October 07, 2021 18:00 - 20 minutes - 14.5 MB

Episode Pointers:  When grief first comes to you, you might have a few tools in your toolbox. It may be ways you have used to cope in the past or things you’ve used to get through hard seasons in your life before.  But imagine that you get to build a toolbox of skills that you can pick and choose from to help support you on your grief journey.  If you begin practicing skills and putting tools in your toolbox, you can have options and choices to help you get through a grief wave, and a pla...

115: We are Moving in a School Bus

September 30, 2021 04:00 - 20 minutes - 16.8 MB

Episode Pointers: When Aria died, one of the biggest things I learned was that death can happen at any moment. In one instant, someone you love can be gone. I’ve wanted to learn how to live again, because I don’t know what’s going to happen tomorrow. And I want to live, I want to have a connection with my kids and be present for them.  The only moment we have is right now.   If you have a dream, or something you want to do, start right now. Something small every single day is how you get...

114: Grief and Anxiety

September 23, 2021 06:00 - 30 minutes - 23.4 MB

Episode Pointers : Anxiety is not a problem. The more you resist anxiety, the more intense it gets. Having anxiety is your brain’s way of protecting you. Thought Induced Anxiety is when your thoughts are like a ‘runaway train’.  You do not need to believe every thought you think. Even if it feels true. Acknowledge the anxiety, fear, and the worries. Then tell your brain that you are choosing a new thought now. Emotional Framework: Identity Event Thought Emotion Result Anxiety ca...

113: Enneagram and Grief With Callie Ammons

September 16, 2021 06:00 - 1 hour - 49 MB

Episode Pointers: Enneagram is a lens and the way that we look at the world and it's helping us understand what is going on internally In Enneagram, there are 9 different personalities wherein each type is so complex. This is like a basis of the core motivation or what you subconsciously fear in life. Her book recommendation :  What to Say When You Talk to Your Self  by Shad Helmstetter Connect with Callie through her : Website : www.callieammons.com Instagram : www.instagram.com/cal...

113: Enneagram and Grief With Callie Ammons

September 16, 2021 06:00 - 1 hour - 49 MB

Episode Pointers: Enneagram is a lens and the way that we look at the world and it's helping us understand what is going on internally In Enneagram, there are 9 different personalities wherein each type is so complex. This is like a basis of the core motivation or what you subconsciously fear in life. Her book recommendation :  What to Say When You Talk to Your Self  by Shad Helmstetter Connect with Callie through her : Website : www.callieammons.com Instagram : www.instagram.com/cal...

112: Reaching For Gratitude

September 09, 2021 06:00 - 14 minutes - 10.1 MB

Episode Pointers: Imagine that gratitude is like practicing a muscle. It’s like practicing gratitude in your body.   Just because you are grieving doesn't mean you can't practice feeling gratitude.   Grief and gratitude can coexist together and they don't have to cancel each other out.   Remember your thoughts create your feelings,  your feelings create your actions, and your actions correct results.   Please don't use these ideas to push down grief and only look for good in the way...

111: Finding What You Need Inside of You

September 02, 2021 06:00 - 9 minutes - 9.52 MB

Episode Pointers:    You know what you need inside of you already. Maybe you just haven’t given yourself permission to listen to yourself, or you haven’t even allowed space for that to come to the surface.  When you are suffering, you are not able to take care of your loved ones until you take care of yourself.  If you begin to let go of beliefs that are not serving you any longer, you can begin to step into being a woman who cares for herself in grief,  cares for her children, and loves...

110: Triggers are your Teachers

August 26, 2021 06:00 - 11 minutes - 10.3 MB

Episode Pointers: It’s our natural instinct to run from triggers. We often see them as a bad thing.   The thing I believe about triggers, is that it’s your body’s way of letting you know that there’s some healing work that can be done around that. It’s letting you know that there is a layer there that can be worked through.  When you trigger your trauma over and over, it just creates the pattern of trauma deeper in your body. When you allow yourself to notice your triggers, that’s when ...

109: Meeting Anxiety Where It’s At With Sandra Hoye

August 19, 2021 06:00 - 36 minutes - 25.5 MB

Note : This episode is a Facebook Live Recording on July 20, 2021. Click here to watch the recording:  https://fb.watch/v/3IRqQ5muo/ In today’s episode, Sandra shares her grieving journey when she had lost her only child, Conor.  She was devastated,depressed, and fell into great anxiety. She also had a recurrence of her cancer.It took her 4 years to finally accept that his son had passed away.  She went into different Grief Groups and counselling for support. She then came across  Megan’...

108 :Allowing Others to Have Their Own Experience

August 12, 2021 06:00 - 17 minutes - 14.6 MB

Episode Pointers:   It’s so painful when someone comes and judges the way you are grieving. We all express our grief differently.  You can only control how you walk with your grief. As soon as you give yourself permission to grieve in the way that’s best for you, you no longer need to try to convince others they are doing it wrong. Stop judging yourself, and you will stop judging others. It’s amazing how much more compassionate you can be with others, when you give yourself some compa...

107: Processing vs. Resisting Grief

August 05, 2021 06:00 - 13 minutes - 11.6 MB

Episode Pointers:   When you are resisting an emotion, You might use something to try to distract yourself from feeling the pain inside of you. Every time you use something to try to get out the emotion and not to feel it, is not processing but it is resisting. When you are not processing the emotion it’s almost like you are fighting it. There is a resistance and a struggle. You are thinking of not wanting to feel this pain and wanting to get out as fast as you can. Emotions will have t...

106: Accepting Help

July 29, 2021 06:00 - 11 minutes - 10.4 MB

Episode Pointers :   The benefits of allowing others to help is amazing, because that means you can take a step back and take time for yourself to grieve. Sometimes you have to find the help so that you can make the time to grieve, because your mental and physical health is so important. You don’t need to worry about repaying each person who helped you, but to help others when I have the energy and capacity to do so.  If we all help each other when we can, then that’s the repaying part. ...

105 : Emotional Eating with Natalie Brown

July 22, 2021 06:00 - 33 minutes - 25.4 MB

Reach out to her through her : Website : www.itbeginswithathought.com Facebook: www.facebook.com/itbeginswithathoughtcoaching Instagram : www.instagram.com/itbeginswithathoughtcoaching Podcast: www.itbeginswithathought.com/podcast Pinterest: www.pinterest.com/itbeginswithathought Her Favorite Book: - More Than A Body by Dr. Lexie Kite and Dr. Lindsay Kite PRomote LAC If you want more tools to help you, I have a workshop called Stop Talking Start Feeling, it’s a workshop that dives into...

105 : Emotional Eating with Natalie Brown

July 22, 2021 06:00 - 33 minutes - 25.4 MB

Reach out to her through her : Website : www.itbeginswithathought.com Facebook: www.facebook.com/itbeginswithathoughtcoaching Instagram : www.instagram.com/itbeginswithathoughtcoaching Podcast: www.itbeginswithathought.com/podcast Pinterest: www.pinterest.com/itbeginswithathought Her Favorite Book: - More Than A Body by Dr. Lexie Kite and Dr. Lindsay Kite PRomote LAC If you want more tools to help you, I have a workshop called Stop Talking Start Feeling, it’s a workshop that dives into...

104 : Boxing Things Up Meditation

July 15, 2021 06:00 - 8 minutes - 8.06 MB

For this episode, I want to share with you this meditation that I do in my coaching sessions with other grieving moms. It is called ‘Boxing Things Up Meditation’ because we somewhat box our thoughts and then we go to a happy place after that. This is not ignoring or putting them away, but it is to allow yourself to deal with them when you are ready. Today is the 2nd day of my  Relief in Grief . This is my 3- day workshop that is so fun and I love getting together with the moms who join.We...

103: Post Traumatic Growth

July 08, 2021 06:00 - 12 minutes - 11.3 MB

Episode Pointers: Post Traumatic Growth - It is positive change experienced as a result of the struggle with a major life crisis or a traumatic event.  5 General Areas of Post Traumatic Growth: 1. Develop a sense that new opportunities have emerged from the struggle. 2. Change in relationships with others. 3. Change is an increased sense of one’s own strength – “If I lived through that, I can face anything”. 4. Have a greater appreciation for life in general. 5. Deepening in spiritual...

103: Post Traumatic Growth

July 08, 2021 06:00 - 12 minutes - 11.3 MB

Episode Pointers: Post Traumatic Growth - It is positive change experienced as a result of the struggle with a major life crisis or a traumatic event.  5 General Areas of Post Traumatic Growth: 1. Develop a sense that new opportunities have emerged from the struggle. 2. Change in relationships with others. 3. Change is an increased sense of one’s own strength – “If I lived through that, I can face anything”. 4. Have a greater appreciation for life in general. 5. Deepening in spiritual...