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Things Musicians Don't Talk About

202 episodes - English - Latest episode: 3 months ago -

Hattie Butterworth and Rebecca Toal host a podcast of insight and change in the classical music and arts professions. Delving into the often stigmatised worlds of mental health, injury, discrimination and productivity, classical music issues are spoken and revived. Join Hattie, Rebecca and guests for important conversations, inspiring moments of wisdom and poignant vulnerability.

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Episodes

26. Lauren McQuistin: addiction, opera and sobriety

August 18, 2021 05:00 - 50 minutes - 35 MB

This time, Rebecca takes her turn as interviewer. She speaks to the exceptional Lauren McQuistin about her journey through alcoholism and into recovery, and how it has impacted her musical and personal life. Alcohol is such a mainstay of the music industry, classical and otherwise, and Lauren speaks with such honesty and eloquence on this historically taboo subject. The line between what can be seemingly 'harmless' social drinking and potentially devastating alcoholism is extremely fine, and ...

Episode 26 - Lauren McQuistin

August 18, 2021 05:00 - 50 minutes - 35 MB

This time, Rebecca takes her turn as interviewer. She speaks to the exceptional Lauren McQuistin about her journey through alcoholism and into recovery, and how it has impacted her musical and personal life. Alcohol is such a mainstay of the music industry, classical and otherwise, and Lauren speaks with such honesty and eloquence on this historically taboo subject. The line between what can be seemingly 'harmless' social drinking and potentially devastating alcoholism is extremely fine, and...

26. Lauren McQuistin

August 18, 2021 05:00 - 50 minutes - 35 MB

This time, Rebecca takes her turn as interviewer. She speaks to the exceptional Lauren McQuistin about her journey through alcoholism and into recovery, and how it has impacted her musical and personal life. Alcohol is such a mainstay of the music industry, classical and otherwise, and Lauren speaks with such honesty and eloquence on this historically taboo subject. The line between what can be seemingly 'harmless' social drinking and potentially devastating alcoholism is extremely fine, and ...

Melissa Brown

August 04, 2021 06:00 - 1 hour - 47.8 MB

Hattie speaks with trombonist and fellow podcaster, Melissa Brown about her OCD diagnosis and the impact it has had on Melissa both personally and professionally. We speak about suffering during music college, the reality of living every minute of the day with intense anxiety and how to find the right therapy for OCD.  Melissa speaks so mindfully and with so much professionalism, whilst still having a real desire to connect and be vulnerable. I really felt at home and supported through this ...

Episode 25- Melissa Brown

August 04, 2021 06:00 - 1 hour - 47.8 MB

Hattie speaks with trombonist and fellow podcaster, Melissa Brown about her OCD diagnosis and the impact it has had on Melissa both personally and professionally. We speak about suffering during music college, the reality of living every minute of the day with intense anxiety and how to find the right therapy for OCD.  Melissa speaks so mindfully and with so much professionalism, whilst still having a real desire to connect and be vulnerable. I really felt at home and supported through this ...

25. Melissa Brown

August 04, 2021 06:00 - 1 hour - 47.8 MB

Hattie speaks with trombonist and fellow podcaster, Melissa Brown about her OCD diagnosis and the impact it has had on Melissa both personally and professionally. We speak about suffering during music college, the reality of living every minute of the day with intense anxiety and how to find the right therapy for OCD.  Melissa speaks so mindfully and with so much professionalism, whilst still having a real desire to connect and be vulnerable. I really felt at home and supported through this...

25. Melissa Brown: the long haul of OCD

August 04, 2021 06:00 - 1 hour - 47.8 MB

Hattie speaks with trombonist and fellow podcaster, Melissa Brown about her OCD diagnosis and the impact it has had on Melissa both personally and professionally. We speak about suffering during music college, the reality of living every minute of the day with intense anxiety and how to find the right therapy for OCD.  Melissa speaks so mindfully and with so much professionalism, whilst still having a real desire to connect and be vulnerable. I really felt at home and supported through this...

Episode 24- Sexuality and relevance in classical music

July 13, 2021 04:00 - 31 minutes - 21.7 MB

Trigger warning: discussions around specific homophobic comments Explicit language is used. Today we are speaking about recent backlash and online homophobia beneath three posts on Classic FM's social media to celebrate pride month and support the LGBTQ+ community. We were shocked and saddened to imagine musicians still enduring an environment where to be yourself is to be attacked, even in 2021. The truth remains that to be different or to bring visibility into your music making, in orde...

Sexuality and relevance in classical music

July 13, 2021 04:00 - 31 minutes - 21.7 MB

Trigger warning: discussions around specific homophobic comments Explicit language is used. Today we are speaking about recent backlash and online homophobia beneath three posts on Classic FM's social media to celebrate pride month and support the LGBTQ+ community. We were shocked and saddened to imagine musicians still enduring an environment where to be yourself is to be attacked, even in 2021. The truth remains that to be different or to bring visibility into your music making, in orde...

24. Sexuality and relevance in classical music

July 13, 2021 04:00 - 31 minutes - 21.7 MB

Trigger warning: discussions around specific homophobic comments Explicit language is used. Today we are speaking about recent backlash and online homophobia beneath three posts on Classic FM's social media to celebrate pride month and support the LGBTQ+ community. We were shocked and saddened to imagine musicians still enduring an environment where to be yourself is to be attacked, even in 2021. The truth remains that to be different or to bring visibility into your music making, in order...

Episode 22- how are you really? Leaving music college, fearing suicidal thoughts, body image and more

June 29, 2021 15:00 - 1 hour - 44.4 MB

I sit down with Rebecca for our first chat as co-hosts! We discuss the fear around suicidal thoughts, leaving music college, managing transitions, body image, recovery and many more musician things. Rebecca also gives us some careers advice and insight into her plans for the future. I am beyond thrilled to be able to talk so openly in this new podcast partnership and can't wait to see what the future holds with Becca on board! Hattie xx Find us: https://thingsmusiciansdonttalkabout.com ...

23. How are you really? Leaving music college, fearing suicidal thoughts, body image and more

June 29, 2021 15:00 - 1 hour - 44.4 MB

CW: Suicidal thoughts I sit down with Rebecca for our first chat as co-hosts! We discuss the fear around suicidal thoughts, leaving music college, managing transitions, body image, recovery and many more musician things. Rebecca also gives us some careers advice and insight into her plans for the future. I am beyond thrilled to be able to talk so openly in this new podcast partnership and can't wait to see what the future holds with Becca on board! Hattie xx Find us: https://thingsmusici...

Episode 23- How are you really? Leaving music college, fearing suicidal thoughts, body image and more

June 29, 2021 15:00 - 1 hour - 44.4 MB

CW: Suicidal thoughts I sit down with Rebecca for our first chat as co-hosts! We discuss the fear around suicidal thoughts, leaving music college, managing transitions, body image, recovery and many more musician things. Rebecca also gives us some careers advice and insight into her plans for the future. I am beyond thrilled to be able to talk so openly in this new podcast partnership and can't wait to see what the future holds with Becca on board! Hattie xx Find us: https://thingsmusic...

How are you really? Leaving music college, fearing suicidal thoughts, body image and more

June 29, 2021 15:00 - 1 hour - 44.4 MB

CW: Suicidal thoughts I sit down with Rebecca for our first chat as co-hosts! We discuss the fear around suicidal thoughts, leaving music college, managing transitions, body image, recovery and many more musician things. Rebecca also gives us some careers advice and insight into her plans for the future. I am beyond thrilled to be able to talk so openly in this new podcast partnership and can't wait to see what the future holds with Becca on board! Hattie xx Find us: https://thingsmusic...

Episode 22- Raye Harvey

June 20, 2021 09:00 - 1 hour - 45.8 MB

Today is all things Chineke!, Steiner education, mental health and branching out of classical music into other projects/genres! Hattie chats to violinist Raye Harvey about her life and education. Delving into the subtle ways in which subtle racial discrimination has been transformed by the work of the Chineke! Orchestra, Raye talks about becoming involved with Europe's majority-Black and ethnically diverse orchestra and how transformational that has been. Raye speaks openly about her mental ...

Raye Harvey

June 20, 2021 09:00 - 1 hour - 45.8 MB

Today is all things Chineke!, Steiner education, mental health and branching out of classical music into other projects/genres! Hattie chats to violinist Raye Harvey about her life and education. Delving into the subtle ways in which subtle racial discrimination has been transformed by the work of the Chineke! Orchestra, Raye talks about becoming involved with Europe's majority-Black and ethnically diverse orchestra and how transformational that has been. Raye speaks openly about her mental ...

22. Raye Harvey

June 20, 2021 09:00 - 1 hour - 45.8 MB

Today is all things Chineke!, Steiner education, mental health and branching out of classical music into other projects/genres! Hattie chats to violinist Raye Harvey about her life and education. Delving into the subtle ways in which subtle racial discrimination has been transformed by the work of the Chineke! Orchestra, Raye talks about becoming involved with Europe's majority-Black and ethnically diverse orchestra and how transformational that has been. Raye speaks openly about her mental...

Episode 21- George Dexter Evans

June 04, 2021 16:00 - 46 minutes - 32 MB

Welcome back! Today I am speaking with composer and guitarist George Dexter Evans about Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and autism and how they impact his life as a musician and composer. We speak about the common misconceptions surrounding CFS, about taking time away to recover before starting university, being a 'mature' student and the stigma surrounding it. We also speak about George's later diagnosis of autism, how special interests and 'masking' have played into George's life, and how it can ...

21. George Dexter Evans: autism and CFS

June 04, 2021 16:00 - 46 minutes - 32 MB

Welcome back! Today I am speaking with composer and guitarist George Dexter Evans about Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and autism and how they impact his life as a musician and composer. We speak about the common misconceptions surrounding CFS, about taking time away to recover before starting university, being a 'mature' student and the stigma surrounding it. We also speak about George's later diagnosis of autism, how special interests and 'masking' have played into George's life, and how it can ...

21. George Dexter Evans

June 04, 2021 16:00 - 46 minutes - 32 MB

Welcome back! Today I am speaking with composer and guitarist George Dexter Evans about Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and autism and how they impact his life as a musician and composer. We speak about the common misconceptions surrounding CFS, about taking time away to recover before starting university, being a 'mature' student and the stigma surrounding it. We also speak about George's later diagnosis of autism, how special interests and 'masking' have played into George's life, and how it can ...

George Dexter Evans

June 04, 2021 16:00 - 46 minutes - 32 MB

Welcome back! Today I am speaking with composer and guitarist George Dexter Evans about Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and autism and how they impact his life as a musician and composer. We speak about the common misconceptions surrounding CFS, about taking time away to recover before starting university, being a 'mature' student and the stigma surrounding it. We also speak about George's later diagnosis of autism, how special interests and 'masking' have played into George's life, and how it can ...

Mental Health Walk 5- Making decisions in instability, degree endlessness

May 14, 2021 08:00 - 13 minutes - 9.54 MB

I am so sad that it’s the final day of walks, but today I am escaping the rain inside! I answer some of your questions about making decisions when you’re feeling unstable, the stigma of moving back in with your parents and what to do when things feel endless. Thank you so much everyone who has tuned in this week and made it so special. Also to my Instagram Live guests, Rebecca and Abi for their vulnerability and openness.  Things Musicians Don't Talk About website: https://www.thingsmusicia...

Mental Health Walk 5- Making decisions in instability, degree endlessness

May 14, 2021 08:00 - 13 minutes - 9.54 MB

I am so sad that it’s the final day of walks, but today I am escaping the rain inside! I answer some of your questions about making decisions when you’re feeling unstable, the stigma of moving back in with your parents and what to do when things feel endless. Thank you so much everyone who has tuned in this week and made it so special. Also to my Instagram Live guests, Rebecca and Abi for their vulnerability and openness.  Support the show (https://ko-fi.com/thingsmusiciansdonttalkabout)

Mental Health Walk 5- making decisions in instablity, degree endlessness

May 14, 2021 08:00 - 13 minutes - 9.54 MB

I am so sad that it’s the final day of walks, but today I am escaping the rain inside! I answer some of your questions about making decisions when you’re feeling unstable, the stigma of moving back in with your parents and what to do when things feel endless. Thank you so much everyone who has tuned in this week and made it so special. Also to my Instagram Live guests, Rebecca and Abi for their vulnerability and openness. 

Mental Health Walk 4- vulnerability hangovers and the news

May 13, 2021 07:00 - 10 minutes - 7.45 MB

Thank you for joining me for another walk!! Today I am talking about my vulnerability hangover and how the news affects our mental health (and why it’s ok to delete it) 

Mental Health Walk 4- Vulnerability hangovers and the news

May 13, 2021 07:00 - 10 minutes - 7.45 MB

Thank you for joining me for another walk!! Today I am talking about my vulnerability hangover and how the news affects our mental health (and why it’s ok to delete it)  Things Musicians Don't Talk About website: https://www.thingsmusiciansdonttalkabout.com TMDTA Twitter Facebook Instagram If you would like to support our work, why not buy us a Kofi? Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Mental Health Walk 4- Vulnerability hangovers and the news

May 13, 2021 07:00 - 10 minutes - 7.45 MB

Thank you for joining me for another walk!! Today I am talking about my vulnerability hangover and how the news affects our mental health (and why it’s ok to delete it) 

Mental Health Walk 3- Power abuse, my story

May 12, 2021 08:00 - 19 minutes - 13.2 MB

Today I am talking about power abuse in light of being sent this article, written by David-Emil Wickstroem called 'Dealing with (institutionalised) forms of power abuse'. Power abuse can lead to mental health problems and is a big issue within our profession that needs addressing. Today I am sharing my experience with power abuse and hope it helps you to feel less alone if it's something that you've also dealt with, or are dealing with currently. Looking forward to seeing you all this eveni...

Mental Health Walk 2- Why I hate mindfulness and why I don’t hate being self-compassionate

May 11, 2021 07:00 - 14 minutes - 9.72 MB

Morning! Today was a struggle to wake up but we did. I am walking and talking about the difficulties of mindfulness, why screen time isn’t always a bad thing, letting go of labels and thinking about humility. Hope this week is going well for you so far!

Mental Health Walk 2- Why I hate mindfulness and why I don’t hate being self-compassionate

May 11, 2021 07:00 - 14 minutes - 9.72 MB

Morning! Today was a struggle to wake up but we did. I am walking and talking about the difficulties of mindfulness, why screen time isn’t always a bad thing, letting go of labels and thinking about humility. Hope this week is going well for you so far! Things Musicians Don't Talk About website: https://www.thingsmusiciansdonttalkabout.com TMDTA Twitter Facebook Instagram If you would like to support our work, why not buy us a Kofi? Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more inf...

Mental Health Walk 2- why I hate mindfulness and why I don’t hate being self-compassionate

May 11, 2021 07:00 - 14 minutes - 9.72 MB

Morning! Today was a struggle to wake up but we did. I am walking and talking about the difficulties of mindfulness, why screen time isn’t always a bad thing, letting go of labels and thinking about humility. Hope this week is going well for you so far!

Mental Health Walk 1- Where I'm at, disordered pracitce, self destruction

May 10, 2021 08:00 - 14 minutes - 10.2 MB

Welcome to the first of five walks to raise awareness this Mental Health Awareness Week! Today I am out in rural Oxfordshire talking about how the current situation is impacting our mental health, my fears for the future, how I have overcome disordered work and practice and the similarities between restrictive eating disorders and practice obsession.

Mental Health Walk 1- Where I'm at, disordered practice, self destruction

May 10, 2021 08:00 - 14 minutes - 10.2 MB

Welcome to the first of five walks to raise awareness this Mental Health Awareness Week! Today I am out in rural Oxfordshire talking about how the current situation is impacting our mental health, my fears for the future, how I have overcome disordered work and practice and the similarities between restrictive eating disorders and practice obsession. Things Musicians Don't Talk About website: https://www.thingsmusiciansdonttalkabout.com TMDTA Twitter Facebook Instagram If you would like...

Channa Malkin

May 04, 2021 10:00 - 52 minutes - 36.4 MB

Today I am talking to the wonderful soprano Channa Malkin about her upcoming CD launch, inspired by the issues, stigmas and graces of motherhood. We talk about Channa’s journey to becoming a mother and the misconceptions many performers have about motherhood and working alongside it. Channa's headshot is by photographer Brendon Heinst ‍While growing up in a family of classical musicians, soprano Channa Malkin initially enjoyed other creative outlets such as painting and writing. Music was ...

Episode 20- Channa Malkin

May 04, 2021 10:00 - 52 minutes - 36.4 MB

Today I am talking to the wonderful soprano Channa Malkin about her upcoming CD launch, inspired by the issues, stigmas and graces of motherhood. We talk about Channa’s journey to becoming a mother and the misconceptions many performers have about motherhood and working alongside it. Channa's headshot is by photographer Brendon Heinst ‍While growing up in a family of classical musicians, soprano Channa Malkin initially enjoyed other creative outlets such as painting and writing. Music was ...

20. Channa Malkin

May 04, 2021 10:00 - 52 minutes - 36.4 MB

Today I am talking to the wonderful soprano Channa Malkin about her upcoming CD launch, inspired by the issues, stigmas and graces of motherhood. We talk about Channa’s journey to becoming a mother and the misconceptions many performers have about motherhood and working alongside it. Channa's headshot is by photographer Brendon Heinst ‍While growing up in a family of classical musicians, soprano Channa Malkin initially enjoyed other creative outlets such as painting and writing. Music was ...

Matt Frost

April 13, 2021 22:00 - 1 hour - 51.3 MB

How often do we really think about our hearing health as musicians? Do we realise how great the risks to hearing damage actually are and how to protect ourselves adequately? How might we navigate a change in career path within, or outside of the music profession and how can we discern and communicate our desire to diversify? Today I am speaking with trainee audiologist and percussionist, Matt Frost. Matt Frost is partially deaf. Diagnosed with hearing loss at 17, he pursued his musical drea...

Episode 19-Matt Frost

April 13, 2021 22:00 - 1 hour - 51.3 MB

How often do we really think about our hearing health as musicians? Do we realise how great the risks to hearing damage actually are and how to protect ourselves adequately? How might we navigate a change in career path within, or outside of the music profession and how can we discern and communicate our desire to diversify? Today I am speaking with trainee audiologist and percussionist, Matt Frost. Matt Frost is partially deaf. Diagnosed with hearing loss at 17, he pursued his musical drea...

19. Matt Frost

April 13, 2021 22:00 - 1 hour - 51.3 MB

How often do we really think about our hearing health as musicians? Do we realise how great the risks to hearing damage actually are and how to protect ourselves adequately? How might we navigate a change in career path within, or outside of the music profession and how can we discern and communicate our desire to diversify? Today I am speaking with trainee audiologist and percussionist, Matt Frost. Matt Frost is partially deaf. Diagnosed with hearing loss at 17, he pursued his musical dre...

Ella Taylor

March 18, 2021 11:00 - 53 minutes - 36.8 MB

 "Opera is queer af". Yet is is seated within the classical music profession- one dominated by a white, straight,  middle-class and privileged persona. Musicians have never fitted this rigidity. The abundance of creativity and expression needed to connect with audiences requires a mind that thinks outside of the binary mentality. We also naturally have sexual and gender expressions that match the individual, rather than the gender construct. Still, musicians speak about this very rarely. I ...

18. Ella Taylor

March 18, 2021 11:00 - 53 minutes - 36.8 MB

 "Opera is queer af". Yet is is seated within the classical music profession- one dominated by a white, straight, middle-class and privileged persona. Musicians have never fitted this rigidity. The abundance of creativity and expression needed to connect with audiences requires a mind that thinks outside of the binary mentality. We also naturally have sexual and gender expressions that match the individual, rather than the gender construct. Still, musicians speak about this very rarely. I a...

Episode 18- Ella Taylor

March 18, 2021 11:00 - 53 minutes - 36.8 MB

 "Opera is queer af". Yet is is seated within the classical music profession- one dominated by a white, straight,  middle-class and privileged persona. Musicians have never fitted this rigidity. The abundance of creativity and expression needed to connect with audiences requires a mind that thinks outside of the binary mentality. We also naturally have sexual and gender expressions that match the individual, rather than the gender construct. Still, musicians speak about this very rarely. I ...

Hannah Fiddy

March 03, 2021 11:00 - 1 hour - 52.5 MB

Today I am talking to the co-founder and director of Alternative Classical, Hannah Fiddy. I talk to Hannah about her journey with music and studying music at Cambridge and how this subsequently lead to a passion for diversifying and expanding the often narrow view of classical music and how it is presented.   Hannah is a creative entrepreneur, classical music consultant and content creator based in Shoreditch. She has experience working with choirs, venues orchestras, composers, musicians a...

17. Hannah Fiddy

March 03, 2021 11:00 - 1 hour - 52.5 MB

Today I am talking to the co-founder and director of Alternative Classical, Hannah Fiddy. I talk to Hannah about her journey with music and studying music at Cambridge and how this subsequently lead to a passion for diversifying and expanding the often narrow view of classical music and how it is presented.  Hannah is a creative entrepreneur, classical music consultant and content creator based in Shoreditch. She has experience working with choirs, venues orchestras, composers, musicians an...

Episode 17- Hannah Fiddy

March 03, 2021 11:00 - 1 hour - 52.5 MB

Today I am talking to the co-founder and director of Alternative Classical, Hannah Fiddy. I talk to Hannah about her journey with music and studying music at Cambridge and how this subsequently lead to a passion for diversifying and expanding the often narrow view of classical music and how it is presented.   Hannah is a creative entrepreneur, classical music consultant and content creator based in Shoreditch. She has experience working with choirs, venues orchestras, composers, musicians a...

16. Nikita Bazil

February 11, 2021 23:00 - 1 hour - 52.5 MB

Today we are talking all things OCD. I speak to my wonderful friend and fellow OCD advocate, Anglo-Armenian soprano Nikita Bazil. Nikita is currently studying a Postrgraduate Classical Vocal course at the Guildhall School of Music and Drama under the tutelage of John Evans. Her passion for music and classical singing emerged during her school years, where she developed skills in both piano and clarinet alongside her vocal studies to enhance her musicianship. Having engaged in recovery with h...

Nikita Bazil

February 11, 2021 23:00 - 1 hour - 52.5 MB

Today we are talking all things OCD. I speak to my wonderful friend and fellow OCD advocate, Anglo-Armenian soprano Nikita Bazil. Nikita is currently studying a Postrgraduate Classical Vocal course at the Guildhall School of Music and Drama under the tutelage of John Evans. Her passion for music and classical singing emerged during her school years, where she developed skills in both piano and clarinet alongside her vocal studies to enhance her musicianship.  Having engaged in recovery with ...

Episode 16- Nikita Bazil

February 11, 2021 23:00 - 1 hour - 52.5 MB

Today we are talking all things OCD. I speak to my wonderful friend and fellow OCD advocate, Anglo-Armenian soprano Nikita Bazil. Nikita is currently studying a Postrgraduate Classical Vocal course at the Guildhall School of Music and Drama under the tutelage of John Evans. Her passion for music and classical singing emerged during her school years, where she developed skills in both piano and clarinet alongside her vocal studies to enhance her musicianship.  Having engaged in recovery with ...

Rebecca Toal

January 27, 2021 11:00 - 56 minutes - 38.8 MB

Joining me today is trumpet player, Rebecca Toal. We speak about Rebecca's musical journey, her struggles with anorexia and bulimia at school and how she has curated an instagram platform to speak about body image and eating disorders. We also talk about how Rebecca manages her depression and the journey to becoming an authentic musician, even if that means following an undiscovered and non-typical path. Rebecca Toal is a freelance trumpet player, harpist and teacher based in London. Rebecca...

15. Rebecca Toal

January 27, 2021 11:00 - 56 minutes - 38.8 MB

Joining me today is trumpet player, Rebecca Toal. We speak about Rebecca's musical journey, her struggles with anorexia and bulimia at school and how she has curated an instagram platform to speak about body image and eating disorders. We also talk about how Rebecca manages her depression and the journey to becoming an authentic musician, even if that means following an undiscovered and non-typical path. Rebecca Toal is a freelance trumpet player, harpist and teacher based in London. Rebecc...

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