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Coaching Conversations in 2024

441 episodes - English - Latest episode: 4 days ago - ★★★★★ - 219 ratings

In 2024 we're going to be going to monthly themes and I would also encourage you to check out our new podcast coaching youth today for tomorrow. Coaching conversations will continue to have monthly themes with four episodes per month and we're going to start to sprinkle in master classes which are going to be lengthier workshop style formats. 

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Confronting the Hard Truth: Why Salespeople Miss Their Targets: 3 Main Reasons Are The Opportunities

July 16, 2023 13:00 - 8 minutes - 5.79 MB

Send us a Text Message. Are you tired of missing your sales targets despite endless hours of training? It's time to face the truth and confront the real reasons behind your shortcomings. In a brutally candid conversation, I expose the harsh realities of the sales profession that I have personally experienced over my 31-year journey. This episode promises to offer a fresh perspective on why salespeople fail to meet their sales numbers, and it's not about the external circumstances we often b...

Revolutionizing Communication: The Power of Conversation Readiness in the Modern Workplace

July 02, 2023 11:00 - 26 minutes - 18.4 MB

Send us a Text Message. What's the secret to thriving in the modern workplace? The answer isn't in your skill set, but your conversation readiness. Today, we engage in a critical discussion about the importance of conversation readiness and its profound impact on our relationships at work. Drawing on alarming statistics from McKinsey and Tasha Eurich's New York Times bestseller, we demystify how a deficiency in conversation readiness has 41% of people seeking new jobs, while self-awareness ...

Leading in the AI Era: Navigating Conversations and Managing Fears

June 29, 2023 11:00 - 7 minutes - 5.04 MB

Send us a Text Message. Ever wonder how the rise of AI and the recent chat and GPT innovation explosion is changing the playing field for leaders and talent development? Are you ready to upgrade your conversational skills for this bold new landscape? Join us as we dive deep into the heart of this technological innovation revolution and its impact on leadership and communication. We share invaluable insights and practical tips on how leaders can navigate sensitive conversations in these chal...

Volume Four: Mastering the Art of Giving and Receiving Feedback: Techniques for Effective Communication and Growth

June 28, 2023 15:00 - 12 minutes - 8.81 MB

Send us a Text Message. Have you ever wondered how to truly master the art of giving and receiving feedback? Look no further, as we wrap up our feedback series by diving into the three lives of feedback: before, during, and after the conversation. We'll discuss how to set expectations, use language and mindset to create momentum, and acknowledge progress after the fact. Join us for this enlightening discussion where we'll explore techniques like permission plus the sword, getting feedback ...

A Story of Self-Awareness, Personal Responsibility, and Corporate Choices

June 26, 2023 12:00 - 10 minutes - 7.13 MB

Send us a Text Message. What if we told you that self-awareness and personal responsibility could be the key to improving your financial well-being? In a recent conversation with a young lady frustrated by the lack of raises and bonuses at her company, I challenged her to examine her own decisions and consider if personal changes might make a difference in her life. We also discuss the fine line between a company's responsibility to provide a safe and secure workplace and an individual's f...

🔒 Volume Three: Mastering the Art of Constructive Criticism: Effective Feedback Techniques and Empathy

June 25, 2023 15:00 - 12 minutes - 8.43 MB

Subscriber-only episode Send us a Text Message. Ever struggled to deliver feedback while maintaining a calm emotional state? What if you could master effective feedback techniques that include inclusive language and an inviting approach? In this enlightening episode, our discussion revolves around the art of providing constructive criticism, as well as understanding the reactions and motivations of those receiving feedback. We share examples that demonstrate the power of using positive lan...

🔒 Volume One: Mastering Self-Awareness and Feedback: Transforming Workplace Engagement and Productivity

June 25, 2023 15:00 - 12 minutes - 8.73 MB

Subscriber-only episode Send us a Text Message. Do you find it challenging to accept and utilize feedback, whether positive or negative? Discover how self-awareness plays a crucial role in our ability to handle feedback constructively and overcome our resistance to it. We'll also discuss how our traditional education system falls short in teaching us how to professionally and thoughtfully seek and accept feedback, and the impact of the Gallup Organization's 8 to 1 ratio of positive feedbac...

🔒 Volume Two: Mastering the Art of Constructive Feedback: Techniques for Building Trust and Enhancing Team Dynamics

June 25, 2023 15:00 - 12 minutes - 8.95 MB

Subscriber-only episode Send us a Text Message. What if you could master the art of providing feedback that truly benefits your team members and fosters trust within your team? Join us as we explore powerful techniques to ensure feedback is both positive and constructive, leading to a more accepting and trusting workplace environment. We'll share our experience with the 'permission plus the sword' technique, which involves getting permission from the person receiving the feedback and wait...

How to Start A Good Coaching Conversation

June 24, 2023 13:00 - 3 minutes - 2.65 MB

Send us a Text Message. Welcome to Coaching Conversations We have created a NEW service called Coach 2 YOU where leaders can assist short targeted 7 to 21 day programs to coach their employees without ANY of their own time to truly partner and assist in the coaching process. Get more info here: https://form.jotform.com/233504052497051 Checkout our Approachability & Coachability series where we use a webinar-based coaching approach to develop all employees to become approachable and coach...

Creating Momentum Between Coaching Conversations

June 16, 2023 13:00 - 3 minutes - 2.26 MB

Send us a Text Message. Welcome to Coaching Conversations We have created a NEW service called Coach 2 YOU where leaders can assist short targeted 7 to 21 day programs to coach their employees without ANY of their own time to truly partner and assist in the coaching process. Get more info here: https://form.jotform.com/233504052497051 Checkout our Approachability & Coachability series where we use a webinar-based coaching approach to develop all employees to become approachable and coach...

Unleashing Coaching Champions: Transforming Workplace Culture and Employee Engagement

June 11, 2023 21:00 - 6 minutes - 4.58 MB

Send us a Text Message. What if you could transform your organization's culture by nurturing coaching champions within your team? Discover the power of everyday coaching and the impact it can have on employee engagement and positivity in this thought-provoking episode. We uncover the staggering statistics from Gallup that reveal a majority of employees are disengaged, and how coaching champions can address this issue by recognizing the strengths and positive contributions of their colleague...

Navigating the AI Revolution: Leadership, Trust, and the Future of Work Through Coaching

June 05, 2023 10:00 - 9 minutes - 6.42 MB

Send us a Text Message. How will advancements in AI impact our jobs and careers? Are we prepared to help our employees navigate these changes and maintain their trust in us as leaders? In this eye-opening episode, I share my recent experiences with AI tools like chat and GPT, and discuss the implications these technological advancements have on the future of work.  Listen in as I reveal the importance of being prepared for career development conversations with your employees, how technolog...

The Power of Conversation in the Age of AI and Chat Tools

May 28, 2023 12:00 - 6 minutes - 4.74 MB

Send us a Text Message. How can conversations become even more crucial in the age of AI, chat, and GPT tools? As technology advances, our need for human interaction only grows stronger – especially between leaders and their employees. In this eye-opening episode, we share valuable insights from a recent conference in San Diego and explore how platforms like Zoom and Webex have transformed the way we connect and build relationships. We also dive into an anecdote about a friend in the publis...

🔒 Self-Awareness # 3: Using Questions

May 14, 2023 12:00 - 16 minutes - 11.5 MB

Subscriber-only episode Send us a Text Message. Welcome to Coaching Conversations We have created a NEW service called Coach 2 YOU where leaders can assist short targeted 7 to 21 day programs to coach their employees without ANY of their own time to truly partner and assist in the coaching process. Get more info here: https://form.jotform.com/233504052497051 Checkout our Approachability & Coachability series where we use a webinar-based coaching approach to develop all employees to beco...

🔒 Self-Awareness Lesson # 2

May 12, 2023 11:00 - 12 minutes - 8.71 MB

Subscriber-only episode Send us a Text Message. This lesson teaches specific techniques to facilitate your own self-awareness and those of others! Welcome to Coaching Conversations We have created a NEW service called Coach 2 YOU where leaders can assist short targeted 7 to 21 day programs to coach their employees without ANY of their own time to truly partner and assist in the coaching process. Get more info here: https://form.jotform.com/233504052497051 Checkout our Approachability &...

🔒 How to Coach and Develop Self-Awareness

May 06, 2023 12:00 - 13 minutes - 9.37 MB

Subscriber-only episode Send us a Text Message. Download Handout Here:  https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Z0TA8nMNRiD1n4II3LL1dY-z4-1g_Wr6/view?usp=sharing Self-awareness is the ability to recognize and understand your own thoughts, emotions, and behaviors. It is an essential skill that helps you improve your relationships, manage your emotions, and make better decisions in life. There are two main components of self-awareness: internal and external. Internal self-awareness involves under...

What Makes A Great Coach

April 22, 2023 13:00 - 6 minutes - 4.37 MB

Send us a Text Message. Welcome to Coaching Conversations We have created a NEW service called Coach 2 YOU where leaders can assist short targeted 7 to 21 day programs to coach their employees without ANY of their own time to truly partner and assist in the coaching process. Get more info here: https://form.jotform.com/233504052497051 Checkout our Approachability & Coachability series where we use a webinar-based coaching approach to develop all employees to become approachable and coach...

Self-Awareness Requires Well Crafted Questions

April 15, 2023 11:00 - 5 minutes - 3.79 MB

Send us a Text Message. Self-awareness is the ability to understand oneself and one's emotions, thoughts, and behaviors. It is an essential component of personal growth and development. Developing self-awareness can help individuals improve their relationships, communication skills, and overall well-being. There are several ways to develop self-awareness. One of the most effective methods is to practice mindfulness. Mindfulness involves paying attention to the present moment without judgme...

Self-Awareness Drives Resilience and Reality

April 10, 2023 12:00 - 6 minutes - 4.65 MB

Send us a Text Message. Being self-aware drives one's decision whether good or bad. having a coach, someone to share ideas and thoughts with is critical. Self-Awareness can also affect and be affected by resilience and realty!  Welcome to Coaching Conversations We have created a NEW service called Coach 2 YOU where leaders can assist short targeted 7 to 21 day programs to coach their employees without ANY of their own time to truly partner and assist in the coaching process. Get more inf...

Self-Awareness & Reality

April 02, 2023 13:00 - 7 minutes - 5.42 MB

Send us a Text Message.  Self-awareness is the ability to look in the mirror and truly be honest with one's self. Reality is dealing with things objectively and factually without emotional interpretation and spinning. Often, employees will receive change or challenge or setbacks and will immediately react to those things emotionally and twist what really occurred often leaving them with an inability to truly deal with what's happening.  Welcome to Coaching Conversations We have created a...

Resilience & Reality Part Two

March 29, 2023 11:00 - 8 minutes - 5.75 MB

Send us a Text Message. Welcome to Coaching Conversations We have created a NEW service called Coach 2 YOU where leaders can assist short targeted 7 to 21 day programs to coach their employees without ANY of their own time to truly partner and assist in the coaching process. Get more info here: https://form.jotform.com/233504052497051 Checkout our Approachability & Coachability series where we use a webinar-based coaching approach to develop all employees to become approachable and coach...

Coaching to Resilience and Reality

March 18, 2023 13:00 - 6 minutes - 4.63 MB

Send us a Text Message. This episode is going to potentially rub people the wrong way and I would ask anyone reading this to read it from start to finish and truly embrace its intent. It does not mean people have to agree. I want to share a perspective with you that I think is starting to occur.  The world of business especially with bank failures which certainly trigger reactions with the Great Recession and major companies like Microsoft and Google doing layoffs it leads people to start ...

5 Stages of Self-awareness

March 08, 2023 18:00 - 29 minutes - 19.9 MB

Send us a Text Message. Keep in mind this was recorded from a Live LinkedIn Audio Event so the nature of the presentation is laid back and casual: 5 Stages to Create A Highly Self-Aware Team Wed, Mar 8, 2023, 11:00 AM - 11:30 AM (your local time) Welcome to Coaching Conversations We have created a NEW service called Coach 2 YOU where leaders can assist short targeted 7 to 21 day programs to coach their employees without ANY of their own time to truly partner and assist in the coaching pr...

Why Self-Awareness is the #1 Key to Training Success & Talent Development

February 24, 2023 12:00 - 10 minutes - 6.99 MB

Send us a Text Message. Self-Awareness is the number one component for better learning, talent development, leadership acceptance, just to name a few. Without self-awareness people will not accept feedback. Without self-awareness people will not handle rejection openly and honestly. Without self-awareness people cannot be the ultimate teammates they have an opportunity to be.  During this episode we're going to teach various strategies of how to build yourself awareness and where a lack of...

🔒 The Coaching Model Volume One

February 19, 2023 21:00 - 18 minutes - 12.5 MB

Subscriber-only episode Send us a Text Message. This first episode will provide the framework for the coaching model and subsequent sessions not only within this month's title but in future titles such as self-awareness or feedback or motivation or what have you.   Here's a link to this month's PDF handout: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1e3az2vwF0ZmxFFKDUFmgKMxrH90YqoPS/view?usp=sharing    We will somewhat address it during the course of the delivery of content for all four volumes. ...

🔒 The Coaching Model Volume Three

February 19, 2023 21:00 - 15 minutes - 10.4 MB

Subscriber-only episode Send us a Text Message. In this volume, we are going to discuss how to use someone's motivation as a catalyst for successful coaching. We subscribe to the theory you should never motivate someone until you first find out what motivates them. This helps leaders and coaches avoid assumptions and risky suggestions that may not resonate with the person who's being coached. We will teach specific methodologies of how to bring in someone's motivator into conversations to ...

🔒 The Coaching Model Volume Two

February 19, 2023 21:00 - 17 minutes - 12.4 MB

Subscriber-only episode Send us a Text Message. in this volume we are going to cover QALMS which is our total coaching model that leverages conversations to motivations to coaching strategies that require no in person time. This methodology has been taught for over 30 years and provides leaders and organizations flexibility when coaching. In addition to these episodes here is an article that was written by our company for Forbes magazine on this methodology specific to resilience: https://...

The Basics of Self-Awareness & Emotional Intelligence

February 04, 2023 13:00 - 16 minutes - 11.5 MB

Send us a Text Message. Here is a link to the handout that fgoes with this audio workshop lesson: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1S2flGrjeoJz6S1MTNIg-xeH7mPR6eFn2/view?usp=sharing Welcome to Coaching Conversations We have created a NEW service called Coach 2 YOU where leaders can assist short targeted 7 to 21 day programs to coach their employees without ANY of their own time to truly partner and assist in the coaching process. Get more info here: https://form.jotform.com/23350405249705...

Get Off Feedback Island

January 29, 2023 15:00 - 6 minutes - 4.81 MB

Send us a Text Message. This episode teach is a unique concept called feedback island. It's a fundamental mistake most people make by simply providing feedback nothing more. Feedback alone can sting and if anything, be taken out of context certainly unfairly at times to the people providing the feedback; nevertheless, the key to providing feedback is to position the person receiving the feedback to take positive action based on the feedback. Check out this episode and let us know your thoug...

Coaching to Motivate (Recorded Live LinkedIn Event from Jan. 25th)

January 28, 2023 22:00 - 31 minutes - 21.7 MB

Send us a Text Message. This is a recorded session from a LIVE LinkedIn Audio Event - it will at times be a little choppy as attendees live questions were and could not be recorded. Welcome to Coaching Conversations We have created a NEW service called Coach 2 YOU where leaders can assist short targeted 7 to 21 day programs to coach their employees without ANY of their own time to truly partner and assist in the coaching process. Get more info here: https://form.jotform.com/233504052497...

It All Starts With Self-Awareness & Self-Regulation

January 23, 2023 12:00 - 8 minutes - 5.9 MB

Send us a Text Message. Everything we do in terms of our ability to improve and receive coaching or mentoring or training starts with self-awareness. It's one's ability to truly look at themselves in the mirror and be honest with oneself. Second, everybody needs to improve self regulation their ability to not impulsively disrupt or interrupt and to truly stay in the moment and avoid imparting judgment on others. Think about every interaction we have with people whether it would be providing...

The 2 Conversations Leaders Must Have in 2023

January 07, 2023 13:00 - 7 minutes - 4.89 MB

Send us a Text Message. This episode details the two conversations every leader must have in 2023. The data out in the workplace clearly shows that the economy is going to be going through some major changes that are going to affect organizations. Companies such as Salesforce and Twitter are laying off people and the market in my estimation is going to be moving from a employee market or they have unlimited choices to a much tighter market. With that being said it provides organizations a w...

Attention Employees: Did You Help or Hurt Your Company Today?

December 04, 2022 15:00 - 6 minutes - 4.51 MB

Send us a Text Message. Welcome to Coaching Conversations We have created a NEW service called Coach 2 YOU where leaders can assist short targeted 7 to 21 day programs to coach their employees without ANY of their own time to truly partner and assist in the coaching process. Get more info here: https://form.jotform.com/233504052497051 Checkout our Approachability & Coachability series where we use a webinar-based coaching approach to develop all employees to become approachable and coach...

December LIVE LinkedIn Event: Coaching in 2023

December 01, 2022 16:00 - 27 minutes - 18.9 MB

Send us a Text Message. Welcome to Coaching Conversations We have created a NEW service called Coach 2 YOU where leaders can assist short targeted 7 to 21 day programs to coach their employees without ANY of their own time to truly partner and assist in the coaching process. Get more info here: https://form.jotform.com/233504052497051 Checkout our Approachability & Coachability series where we use a webinar-based coaching approach to develop all employees to become approachable and coach...

December LIVE Linked Event: Coaching in 2023

December 01, 2022 16:00 - 27 minutes - 18.8 MB

If this episode intrigues you check out our Coaching Career Conversation Course: Click Here and this comes with Free Access to our 2023 Coaching Summit in Orlando Florida next Year: Click here for more information here is a short informational webinar: 2023 Summit

Every Company Needs A Hero

November 07, 2022 12:00 - 7 minutes - 5.18 MB

Send us a Text Message. Every organization needs a hero. Now, I'm not going to disclose the companies, but right now we're working with three different companies where each organization is lucky enough to have a hero. Now, a hero is somebody that is willing to speak up, talk to upper level management, represent the views of the people. Now, with that being said, I even cringe saying what I just shared with you. See, I think everybody should go to the source. I think where we have a lack of ...

Challenging Times Create Opportunities

October 17, 2022 14:00 - 6 minutes - 4.17 MB

Send us a Text Message.  Recently, I've talked to two different companies. One, a financial services firm, and another one in the manufacturing sector. Both were telling me of potential pending layoffs. Change is coming. Now I'm gonna do something that's gonna be perceived, at least initially, to be a little bit insensitive. Now, what are employees gonna do? Are employees actually gonna come and say, What can I do to help you? I know the company's in trouble, or the company needs extra effo...

Welcome to Leadership Hill

October 10, 2022 11:00 - 8 minutes - 5.75 MB

Send us a Text Message. This podcast teaches  very concept called Leadership Hill. This concept helps leaders become self-aware and take "suggested" actions to ensure performance and happiness among their team members. This episode will reveal very simple coaching techniques that will help drive greater engagement and talent retention. If this episode intrigues you check out our Coaching Career Conversation Course: Click Here and this comes with Free Access to our 2023 Coaching Summit in ...

Let's Interview Each Other

October 06, 2022 13:00 - 8 minutes - 5.94 MB

Send us a Text Message. Checkout Our 2023 Progress Coaching Summit:  https://progress-coaching-academy.thinkific.com/courses/the-2023-progress-coaching-summit and here is a pdf overview: click here Welcome to Coaching Conversations We have created a NEW service called Coach 2 YOU where leaders can assist short targeted 7 to 21 day programs to coach their employees without ANY of their own time to truly partner and assist in the coaching process. Get more info here: https://form.jotform.c...

What Type of Employee Are You?

September 26, 2022 11:00 - 9 minutes - 6.44 MB

Send us a Text Message.  At Progress Coaching, we do not get involved in interviewing work or interviewing skills or anything like that. The one thing I would share with all of you more than anything is that when we're hiring people, I think we have to change what we do. I think we have to really, really get people to be transparent with the themselves. I hear all too often, especially, and I'm gonna say it from the younger generation. I don't think the older generation does it as much. I t...

Quiet Quitting: Some of it is Bullshit!

September 23, 2022 16:00 - 7 minutes - 5.05 MB

Send us a Text Message. The process is flawed! We interview and people provide answers to get the job. They (the applicants) never once say "Just so you know my crappy attitude shows up at 90 days and I start undermining people. At 6 months I lose my motivation and will want more money so please get prepared. Last, do not bother me with extra work because the Quite Quitting thing sounds pretty good and I will displaying that at about 9 months."                                             ...

Year One ... Coaching and Feedback Embedded into On-Boarding Increases Talent Retention

September 19, 2022 12:00 - 8 minutes - 5.96 MB

Send us a Text Message. Corporate America needs to reestablish the great employee. Corporate America to a certain extent cannot continue to appease and placate employees. Now let me explain. 41% of employees today are actually leaving due to a lack of career development. Over 80 to 85% of employees, lack self-awareness. Today's talent shortage is leading companies to create benefits and flexible workspaces and higher salaries and signing bonuses, yet what they're not doing is establishing w...

Coach to the Person and NOT the Situation

September 17, 2022 13:00 - 5 minutes - 3.61 MB

Send us a Text Message.  Recently, I was collaborating with a client and the client was expressing some frustration with an employee. During our conversation he stated he was very frustrated by what the employee was doing. He began to share two or three situations where the employee was doing things incorrectly and I said at its foundation, what do you think the employee needs to improve? He immediately said attitude and teamwork. I then asked a question, how are you currently coaching to t...

Quiet Quitting Has Been Around For Decades

September 06, 2022 16:00 - 5 minutes - 3.7 MB

Send us a Text Message. Quiet Quitting is not a new concept. Maybe it's a different name and a different label yet, we've had quiet quitting for decades. We need to get back to the fundamentals of employment. If you are hired to do a job, you should be hired to do that job to the best of your ability. There is not a job description in the world that encourages people to not try or to gossip or to be negative in the workplace. Yet, Sadly, that seems to be the case in many organizations. Thin...

The ABCD of Coaching

September 06, 2022 13:00 - 5 minutes - 3.63 MB

Send us a Text Message. Coaching is as easy as A, B, C, D.  There is awareness. The power of awareness when leaders become aware of how they're perceived and they can develop awareness in others. Coaching becomes much easier.   Building coaching plans is vital. Anything requires strategy and planning and coaching   is no different  when building a coaching plan. There needs to be a variety of options that scale time. The actual coaching must maintain a consistent cadence with little canc...

Open the "Self-Awareness" Door for Maximum Talent Development

August 24, 2022 11:00 - 7 minutes - 4.92 MB

Send us a Text Message. I have said for almost 30 years that coaching is a two step process. First, you want people to look in the mirror. #2, you want people to take action on #1 yet very few people do number one arbitrarily on their own. That's why we need to coach our people to first establish a foundation of self-awareness which will lead to accelerated talent development. Self-awareness is difficult for people. Self-awareness causes people to look in the mirror and look at themselves. ...

Mike Carroll Interview

August 22, 2022 00:00 - 28 minutes - 19.9 MB

Send us a Text Message. Check out our recent interview during our SMEcast episode with Mike Carroll from intelligent conversations. Mike reveals 7 strategies to how to build the ideal sales team every organization deserves. I personally know Mike and you will find this interview to be highly effective and strategic. If you are looking for an organization to help you grow your sales organization and adapt to the ever fast changing times look no further than Mike Carroll and intelligent conve...

How to Have Coaching "Career Conversations" To Retain Talent from Leaving

August 21, 2022 21:00 - 6 minutes - 4.2 MB

Send us a Text Message.  Career conversations are now a must more than any other time in our history. When we think about McKinsey's latest research showing 41% of people are actually leaving due to a lack of career development and advancement. Coaching career conversations is about coaching and developing talent for the present and future. We need to find out what people want to do, what motivates them, what they like, what they potentially dislike. We need to have these conversations proa...

Take The Emotional Baggage Out

August 08, 2022 13:00 - 8 minutes - 5.8 MB

Send us a Text Message.  This post will also not be very popular but I'm OK with that. As an entrepreneur we embody a lot of different positions in terms of the work that we do. It is not for the faint of heart and it is certainly not meant for a certain group of people yet let me just say at times it is very very hard. I also think working in the corporate workplace and managing teams is also very very hard. As we talk about mental health and all of the challenges associated with employees...

Coaching People Full of Crap (said that nicely)

August 05, 2022 12:00 - 9 minutes - 6.63 MB

Send us a Text Message. What I'm about to share is not going to be very popular. What I'm about to share is not going to be well received by everybody. The other day, I was talking to somebody that works at a manufacturing plant, and this person was a friend of a friend and the friend had asked me to speak to him and talk to him about his performance. I said, sure, but I said, I don't know the guy so I want to be very clear that I, I'm not going to challenge him as normally as I would. We s...