Cheaper Than Therapy with Vanessa and Dené
308 episodes - English - Latest episode: 21 days ago - ★★★★★ - 221 ratingsVanessa Bennett and Dené Logan are two soul sisters and therapists who connected over their shared love of depth psychology—known as the psychology of the soul. It is a template for diving beneath the surface to examine the complex natures of being human while on the quest for wholeness, including the relationship to spirit. Through their training and lived experiences with depth, yogic psychology, and mindfulness, they developed a passion for supporting others in living their most authentic lives while cultivating a fulfilling and rich relationship with the Self, capital “S.”
Every Wednesday, Vanessa and Dené look to demystify, de-stigmatize, and desensitize what goes on both inside the therapy room and in daily life, through soul-provoking conversations with fellow seekers, thought leaders, changemakers, and real people during live coaching sessions as they navigate the hard work it takes to be a human.
This podcast is, for sure, Cheaper Than Therapy.
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Ep 141 Q&A: Trauma Bonds and Addiction
March 18, 2023 08:01 - 34 minutesTrauma Bonds and Addiction is part of a series where we discuss topics and/or questions submitted by our listeners. In this episode, we’re discussing: 1. The longstanding concept that drugs, alcohol, and other types of addictions can be a way to feel more in touch with Self/Source and numb the feelings of inadequacy 2. How safety in chosen relationships can initially come from a place of societal conditioning of needing/longing to be accepted and fit in, and how we can dig deeper to exami...
Ep 141 Q&A: Trauma Bonds and Addiction
March 18, 2023 08:01 - 36 minutesTrauma Bonds and Addiction is part of a series where we discuss topics and/or questions submitted by our listeners. In this episode, we’re discussing: 1. The longstanding concept that drugs, alcohol, and other types of addictions can be a way to feel more in touch with Self/Source and numb the feelings of inadequacy 2. How safety in chosen relationships can initially come from a place of societal conditioning of needing/longing to be accepted and fit in, and how we can dig deeper to examin...
Ep 140 Talking Sexual Entitlement with Jeremie Lotemo
March 15, 2023 15:01 - 1 hourJeremie Lotemo is a Transformation Coach who supports both men and women with cultivating tools to create radical, lasting changes in their lives and relationships. We are thrilled to have Jeremie joining us for a second time after the incredible response we had to our first conversation with him (ep. 118). We sat down to talk about: 1. The insights he gained after making the conscious decision to be celibate for over a year 2. The ancestral trauma that is often being perpetuated in the...
Ep 140 Talking Sexual Entitlement with Jeremie Lotemo
March 15, 2023 15:01 - 1 hourJeremie Lotemo is a Transformation Coach who supports both men and women with cultivating tools to create radical, lasting changes in their lives and relationships. We are thrilled to have Jeremie joining us for a second time after the incredible response we had to our first conversation with him (ep. 118). We sat down to talk about: 1. The insights he gained after making the conscious decision to be celibate for over a year 2. The ancestral trauma that is often being perpetuated in the ...
Ep 139 What it Means to Feel Seen
March 10, 2023 12:30 - 40 minutesIn this solo episode, we take a look at a Buzzfeed opinion article that examines the idea that kissing and cuddling can feel like a contract for sex. In this episode we discuss: 1. The unspoken expectations for sexual intimacy that, many women feel come with any physical contact from our partners 2. The common differences in how men and women get to a place where they feel emotionally safe enough to express themselves sexually 3. How to find an integrated balance between our inner mascul...
Ep 138 Getting Social with Therapy Jeff
March 08, 2023 12:30 - 1 hourJeff Guenther, (also known as Therapy Jeff) is a licensed professional counselor from Portland, Oregon who has created a huge social media following by offering relationship advice, tips, pep talks, and other resources to maximize your mental health. We sat down with Jeff to discuss: 1. working to be realistic about who people are, and the capacity they have to show up in certain ways 2. the challenges that come to the surface when we look for our partner to do our reparenting work for u...
Ep 138 Getting Social with Therapy Jeff
March 08, 2023 12:30 - 1 hourJeff Guenther, (also known as Therapy Jeff) is a licensed professional counselor from Portland, Oregon who has created a huge social media following by offering relationship advice, tips, pep talks, and other resources to maximize your mental health. We sat down with Jeff to discuss: 1. working to be realistic about who people are, and the capacity they have to show up in certain ways 2. the challenges that come to the surface when we look for our partner to do our reparenting work for us...
Ep. 137 Q&A Session: The Real Talk of Motherhood
March 03, 2023 12:30 - 25 minutesThis week’s episode is part of a series where we discuss topics and/or questions submitted by you, our listeners. In this Cheaper than Therapy conversation, we get into the nitty gritty realness of motherhood and the societal shortcomings to support moms. If you have a question you’d like us to discuss, click here. 🌟 What You’ll Gain From this Episode: Accepting the Twists: The journey of accepting the ebb and flow of motherhood, after an initial resistance to having children, is a mome...
Ep 137 Q+A Session: The Real Talk of Motherhood
March 03, 2023 12:30 - 25 minutesThis week’s episode is part of a series where we discuss topics and/or questions submitted by our listeners. This week, for episode 137, we’re discussing: 1. How the journey of accepting the ebb and flow of motherhood after an initial resistance to having children is a moment-by-moment process that requires patience and a true desire to be in it 2. The societal constructs around motherhood, and how we can decide what motherhood actually looks like for ourselves 3. How to get in right rel...
Ep 136 Live Coaching Session: Be The Chooser, Not the Chosen
March 01, 2023 12:30 - 37 minutesIn this live coaching session, we sat down with Jane to talk about some struggles she’s been having with infidelity in relationships and her own self-trust. We explore: 1. How to create safety within ourselves and what that looks like, so that we are able to recognize safety, or lack thereof in relation to others 2. The opportunity to love ourselves so fully that we won’t allow anyone in our sphere who doesn’t mirror that same love back to us 3. What happens when we remove our negative ...
Ep 136 Live Coaching Session: Be The Chooser, Not the Chosen
March 01, 2023 12:30 - 39 minutesIn this live coaching session, we sat down with Jane to talk about some struggles she’s been having with infidelity in relationships and her own self-trust. We explore: 1. How to create safety within ourselves and what that looks like, so that we are able to recognize safety, or lack thereof in relation to others 2. The opportunity to love ourselves so fully that we won’t allow anyone in our sphere who doesn’t mirror that same love back to us 3. What happens when we remove our negative s...
Ep 135 Trusting in Your Wisdom with Imani Tutt
February 22, 2023 12:30 - 1 hourImani Tutt is a Marriage and Family Therapist, an Intuitive, a Content Creator, and an incredibly powerful conduit in supporting those she works with in tapping into their innate wisdom and power. Imani specializes in working with those who are committed to exploring their journey through the process of self examination. She believes that everyone has the power to change when they give themselves the opportunity. We sat down with Imani to talk about: 1. How her experience of the different...
Ep 134 Growing Through Self-Sabotage
February 15, 2023 12:30 - 23 minutesThis week’s episode is part of a series where we discuss topics and/or questions submitted by our listeners. This week we’re discussing: 1. What it means to self-sabotage and the different ways this can show up in our lives and relationships. 2. How we can challenge ourselves to confront our shadow-self in order to pinpoint triggers and self-limiting beliefs and behaviors so that we can practice new patterns, even in a society that conditions us to quiet our self-love. 3. The freedom tha...
Ep 133 Being in Right Relationship with Truth with Kelsey Grant
February 08, 2023 12:30 - 1 hourKelsey Grant is a teacher, writer, musician, wisdom keeper, and creatrix who loves the magic of love and believes in the power of cultivating a sense of healing through fulfilling relational experiences. We sat down talk with Kelsey to talk about: 1. The importance of being honest with ourselves as we attempt to construct the relationships we most desire 2. How shadow work can serve as a tool to work with the activation our relationships inevitable bring up for us 3. How relational dr...
Ep 132 Amplifying How We Love with Preston Smiles
February 01, 2023 12:30 - 1 hourPreston Smiles is a teacher, a transformational thought leader, a conscious content creator, and a man on a mission to empower others by amplifying a multi-generational movement of radical love on the planet. We sat down talk with Preston about: 1. The unspoken war of the sexes and the challenges that arise for couples during the early stages of parenthood 2. Some of the blind spots that we’ve held as women around the felt experiences of men 3. How our relationship dynamics instantly s...
Ep 132 Amplifying How We Love with Preston Smiles
February 01, 2023 12:30 - 1 hourPreston Smiles is a teacher, a transformational thought leader, a conscious content creator, and a man on a mission to empower others by amplifying a multi-generational movement of radical love on the planet. We sat down talk with Preston about: 1. The unspoken war of the sexes and the challenges that arise for couples during the early stages of parenthood 2. Some of the blind spots that we’ve held as women around the felt experiences of men 3. How our relationship dynamics instantly sh...
Ep 131 Setting Ourselves Free with Kelli Moore
January 25, 2023 17:20 - 1 hourKelli Moore is the co-founder and CEO of Soulfire™ Productions: the premiere podcast network for thought leaders, free thinkers, and visionaries. She’s been the host of two top-rated podcasts, The Kelli Show and OK, Babe., and is deeply passionate about helping people see themselves more clearly. Kelli believes in setting ourselves free from expectations, people pleasing, and the stories that hold us, hostage, in our own lives. Kelli is also an Emmy Award Winning former Sports TV Host with...
Ep 131 Setting Ourselves Free with Kelli Moore
January 25, 2023 17:20 - 1 hourKelli Moore is the co-founder and CEO of Soulfire™ Productions: the premiere podcast network for thought leaders, free thinkers, and visionaries. She’s been the host of two top-rated podcasts, The Kelli Show and OK, Babe., and is deeply passionate about helping people see themselves more clearly. Kelli believes in setting ourselves free from expectations, people pleasing, and the stories that hold us, hostage, in our own lives. Kelli is also an Emmy Award Winning former Sports TV Host with ...
Ep 130 Defining Interdependence
January 18, 2023 12:30 - 57 minutesIn this solo episode, Vanessa and Dené passed a miniature microphone back and forth in the car to record a conversation they were having on the way to their New Year's retreat. They talked about: 1. How their perspective on interdependence differs from the ways others describe it in several personal development and psychology spaces. 2. How a woman’s experience of safety in a relationship can have a lot to do with the emotional load she is carrying. 3. Why most of us are actually takin...
Ep 130 Defining Interdependence
January 18, 2023 12:30 - 1 hourIn this solo episode, Vanessa and Dené passed a miniature microphone back and forth in the car to record a conversation they were having on the way to their New Year's retreat. They talked about: 1. How their perspective on interdependence differs from the ways others describe it in several personal development and psychology spaces. 2. How a woman’s experience of safety in a relationship can have a lot to do with the emotional load she is carrying. 3. Why most of us are actually taking...
Ep. 129 Self-Expansion Without A Partnership
January 11, 2023 12:00 - 38 minutesThis episode is part of a series where we coach one of our listeners through a topic or question. In this coaching session, we sat down with “Anne” to talk about the internal struggle that comes from the societal norm to feel incomplete without a partnership. If you’re interested in joining us for a coaching session, click here. Some Takeaways from this Episode: Differentiating Between Comfort vs Ease: There’s comfort in choosing the societal norm to be in partnership, but ease can be fou...
Ep 129 Reaching the top of Tiny Little Mountains - Live Coaching Session
January 11, 2023 12:00 - 38 minutesIn this live coaching session, we sat down with Anne to talk about the struggle that comes from feeling like our lives are incomplete without a partnership. We talk about: 1. The differentiation between comfort and ease, and that more ease can be found in the acceptance that the point of our lives are less about comfort and more about expansion 2. Unpacking what the ‘desire to be chosen’ brings up for us in the context of our healing 3. Understanding the work of surrendering to what i...
Ep 128 Understanding the Feeling you Want to Feel with Flynn Skidmore
January 04, 2023 12:00 - 1 hourFlynn Skidmore is a therapist, content creator, and business mentor who specializes in helping people create lasting change in their lives, faster. Through Flynn’s courses, community driven content, and work with individuals he finds that clients deepen their self-acceptance and start taking tangible action steps toward getting unstuck. We sat down with Flynn to talk about: 1. Figuring out what it is we actually desire to feel in relationships so that we can come up with the best strategy...
Ep 127 To Control or Not to Control - Live Therapy Sessions
December 28, 2022 12:00 - 28 minutesIn this live coaching session, we sat down with May to talk about some struggles she’s been having with codependent tendencies. We explore: 1. how to know the difference between looking out for someone because you care about them and controlling them 2. the opportunities for building resilience that are lost when we protect those we love from difficulty 3. how important it is to hold ourselves with compassion in the moments that we’re being controlling, understanding that the need to cont...
Ep 127 To Control or Not to Control - Live Coaching Session
December 28, 2022 12:00 - 25 minutesIn this live coaching session, we sat down with May to talk about some struggles she’s been having with codependent tendencies. We explore: 1. how to know the difference between looking out for someone because you care about them and controlling them 2. the opportunities for building resilience that are lost when we protect those we love from difficulty 3. how important it is to hold ourselves with compassion in the moments that we’re being controlling, understanding that the need to con...
Ep 127 To Control or Not to Control
December 28, 2022 12:00 - 28 minutesIn this live coaching session, we sat down with May to talk about some struggles she’s been having with codependent tendencies. We explore: 1. how to know the difference between looking out for someone because you care about them and controlling them 2. the opportunities for building resilience that are lost when we protect those we love from difficulty 3. how important it is to hold ourselves with compassion in the moments that we’re being controlling, understanding that the need to cont...
Ep 126 Dipping into the Sugar Jar with Yasmine Cheyenne
December 21, 2022 12:00 - 1 hourYasmine Cheyenne is a writer, speaker, and self-healing advocate, born and raised in Brooklyn, NY. She helps people create and strengthen their individual self-care practices by teaching them the tools that empower lasting positive changes in their lives. An Air Force Veteran, Yasmine now focuses on her self-healing workshops as well as her writing. Her book, The Sugar Jar: Create Boundaries, Embrace Self-Healing, and Enjoy the Sweet things in Life, is available for preorder and releases on ...
Ep 125 Back in the Dating Pool - Live Therapy Session
December 14, 2022 12:00 - 28 minutesIn this live coaching session, Dené and Vanessa sat down with Pam to talk about her experience of anxiety within a new relationship after a prolonged period of singlehood. They explore: 1. How to cultivate a toolkit for self-soothing some of the inevitable discomforts that comes to the surface when we’re opening ourselves up to love. 2. Sitting with the difficult truth that we cannot experience love without vulnerability 3. Why the skills Pam cultivated while she was ‘Single on Purpose’ ar...
Ep 125 Back in the Dating Pool - Live Coaching Session
December 14, 2022 12:00 - 25 minutesIn this live coaching session, Dené and Vanessa sat down with Pam to talk about her experience of anxiety within a new relationship after a prolonged period of singlehood. They explore: 1. How to cultivate a toolkit for self-soothing some of the inevitable discomforts that comes to the surface when we’re opening ourselves up to love. 2. Sitting with the difficult truth that we cannot experience love without vulnerability 3. Why the skills Pam cultivated while she was ‘Single on Purpose’...
Ep 124 Transmuting Our Trauma with Quentin de Camp
December 07, 2022 13:00 - 1 hourQuentin de Camp is a relationship coach, a therapist, and a healing teacher who’s spent the last decade searching, analysing, learning, and modeling the most efficient techniques and tools for self-development and human psychology. and communication, key success factors and more recently neurosciences, well being in workplace, trauma informed and leadership. He supports others in removing what is holding them back, so they can thrive in what they want to achieve in their lives. We sat down...
Ep 123 Pathologizing Relational Needs with Taune Lyons
November 30, 2022 12:00 - 58 minutesTaune Lyons is an integrative therapist, writer, and coach in the San Francisco, Bay Area. She specializes in understanding our attachment sounding, intentional relating, sexuality, unraveling our conditioning, and the integration of our painful experiences. We sat down with Taune for an IG LIVE to talk about: 1. straddling the line between the “disconnection dance” in relationships and acknowledging the inevitable ways our actions end up impacting those around us 2. how we can reframe ou...
Ep 122 How We Process Pain
November 23, 2022 12:00 - 40 minutesEp.122 How we process pain In this solo episode, we sat down to unpack some of the feedback we got on one of our recent episodes. We discuss: 1. The differentiation between allowing ourselves time to fully feel the most challenging moments in our lives vs letting those moments define us. 2. How what we’re grappling with on an individual level is so often mirrored by what we struggle with as a collective 3. Our perspectives on how therapy is currently being utilized and how self-help ca...
Ep 122 How We Process Pain
November 23, 2022 12:00 - 43 minutesEp.122 How we process pain In this solo episode, we sat down to unpack some of the feedback we got on one of our recent episodes. We discuss: 1. The differentiation between allowing ourselves time to fully feel the most challenging moments in our lives vs letting those moments define us. 2. How what we’re grappling with on an individual level is so often mirrored by what we struggle with as a collective 3. Our perspectives on how therapy is currently being utilized and how self-help can...
Ep 121 Bringing the Focus Back Inward
November 16, 2022 13:00 - 38 minutesIn this live coaching session, we sat down with Steven to talk about the issues of betrayal and differing levels of desire within a marriage. We explore: how our attachment wounds inevitably start to play out in our adult relationships and how understanding our codependent tendencies becomes the first step we take toward our own healing why the people in our lives often start taking us for granted if we’re not treating ourselves with love and respect first the importance of maintaining ...
Ep 120 How to be Loving with Danielle LaPorte
November 09, 2022 16:52 - 52 minutesDanielle LaPorte is a member of Oprah’s SuperSoul 100—a group that, in Oprah Winfrey’s words, “is uniquely connecting the world together with a spiritual energy that matters.” The former director of a future studies think tank in Washington, DC, where she managed a team creating global scenarios. She now speaks about the intelligence of the heart. Her most recent book, How To Be Loving… when your heart is breaking open and the world is waking up, is also an audiobook + eBook, with a companio...
Ep 119 What does it mean to be spiritual?
November 02, 2022 11:00 - 46 minutesIn this solo episode, Vanessa and Dené hit record on one of their conversations during a recent trip they took to Hawaii. They explore: how each of them has defined their own relationship to spirituality why it might not be helpful to demand perfectionism of ourselves and others when attempting to understand our cultural differences how the work of spiritual seeking is ultimately about staying in the space of curiosity and remembering that each of us are always doing the best that we ca...
Ep 118 Living from Your Deepest Core by Integrating Your Deepest Shadows with Jeremie Lotemo
October 26, 2022 11:00 - 1 hourJeremie Lotemo is a poet, writer, and coach who utilizes his insights on relational dynamics to help men live from their deepest core. Through his writing, his podcast, 1:1 coaching and building community, Jeremie supports others in the integration of their deepest shadows. We sat down with Jeremie to discuss: 1. The invisible initiation society puts young boys through, where they are socialized to sever their authenticity in an attempt to maintain a sense of acceptance and connection t...
Ep 117 The Rise of the Feminine is Good for All of Us
October 19, 2022 19:16 - 44 minutesCheaper than Therapy is back for Season 3! In this solo episode, Vanessa and Dené talk about what they’ve been up to during the podcast’s hiatus and some of the patterns they’ve noticed coming up lately in conversations. They discuss: 1. What it feels like to be witnessing a massive reclaiming of the feminine energy that the current patriarchal structure of society has conditioned us to suppress. 2. What it means to shift from the practice of looking outside of ourselves for an...
Ep 116 Diving Deep into Dating with Shaun Galanos
August 10, 2022 11:00 - 53 minutesShaun Galanos is an internationally recognized love coach, podcast host, and speaker on a mission to help people have better, more loving relationships. We sat down with Shaun to talk all things dating – the stigmas, what it’s like to date right now, emotional availability, and intimacy. He also shares how he himself struggled to form healthy relationships – always finding it easy to give great advice to friends, but realizing he needed to do some work to ‘walk his own talk.’ Shaun does s...
Ep 115 Shifting that Should into a Want with Tricia Huffman
July 31, 2022 17:59 - 55 minutesTricia Huffman is a podcast host, speaker, and founder of Your Joyologist. She specialized in working with those in the public eye to keep them in integrity with who they want to be while also enjoying their life. Tricia empowers others through her social media, her Claim It! Podcast show, Your Joyologist product line, and Own Your Awesome daily inspiration app. We sat down with Tricia to discuss her journey to walking away from the word ‘should,’ tangible ways to harness the power of our i...
Ep 114 Screaming To Be Heard - Live from the TAT Lab
July 21, 2022 14:30 - 49 minutesIn this episode, Dené drops in on a TAT Lab session on codepency led by Vanessa. We discuss the differentiation between intentions and outcomes, the codependent survival strategy of making ourselves and our needs smaller to maintain connections, the importance of not deciding for others which truths they can tolerate hearing, and asking ourselves, “what do I imagine it would feel like if I actually felt like I was heard? We loved having the opportunity to bring our TAT LAB community in on o...
Ep 113 Relational Dynamics with Bryan Reeves
July 13, 2022 20:49 - 1 hourBryan Reeves is a former US Air Force Captain turned life coach, author, podcast host, and blogger with over 30 million readers. Since 2014, he has been coaching couples and men to help them discover and live out their dreams. His new book “Choose Her Every Day (Or Leave Her)”, discusses men’s challenges with intimacy and boundaries and thriving in intimate relationships. We talked with Bryan about what happens in a society where we look to our intimate relationships to be the containers in...
Ep 112 Shifting Relationship Paradigms
July 06, 2022 23:02 - 41 minutesIn this solo episode, we hit record on a passionate conversation we were having based on some questions we received from all of you. We dove into the question, “what do I do if my partner no longer finds me attractive”, to unpack the social and cultural pressures placed on what monogamy “should” be. We love having conversations about various ways of breaking out of codependent paradigms and cultivating relationships that not only support our growth - but are in alignment with our authentic...
Ep 112 Shifting Relationship Paradigms
July 06, 2022 23:02 - 42 minutesIn this solo episode, we hit record on a passionate conversation we were having based on some questions we received from all of you. We dove into the question, “what do I do if my partner no longer finds me attractive”, to unpack the social and cultural pressures placed on what monogamy “should” be. We love having conversations about various ways of breaking out of codependent paradigms and cultivating relationships that not only support our growth - but are in alignment with our authentic ...
Ep 111 The Gifts of Illusions with Rainier Wylde and Kristi Born
June 29, 2022 21:35 - 1 hourThis week we’re welcoming Kristi Born and Rainier Wylde who are partners in both life and in podcasts as cohosts of the Love Like Hell podcast. Kristi is a Marriage and Family Therapist who has worked extensively with families, couples, and adolescents in a variety of contexts to bring peace of mind and decrease suffering. Rainier is a teacher, guide, and writer who works with men and women around the world to discover their unacknowledged shadow and forge an intimate union with their mascul...
110 The Layers of Our Vulnerability - Live Coaching Session
June 23, 2022 15:24 - 1 hourIn this live coaching session, we sit down for our first-ever couples coaching session with Gloria and Jay to talk about their struggles with navigating parenting and vulnerability in the midst of a developing relationship. We talk with them about the value in modeling acceptance of our imperfections for our children, the fears that inevitably come to the surface when we’ve found someone to love, normalizing the challenges of parenting adolescents - who feel ambivalent in their need for you...
Ep 110 The Layers of Our Vulnerability - Live Coaching Session
June 23, 2022 15:24 - 1 hourIn this live coaching session, we sit down for our first-ever couples coaching session with Gloria and Jay to talk about their struggles with navigating parenting and vulnerability in the midst of a developing relationship. We talk with them about the value in modeling acceptance of our imperfections for our children, the fears that inevitably come to the surface when we’ve found someone to love, normalizing the challenges of parenting adolescents - who feel ambivalent in their need for yo...
Ep 109 Doing What the Soul Desires with Jamie Graber
June 15, 2022 22:00 - 51 minutesJamie Graber is a coach, mind shifter, energy mover, crystal lover, meditator, author, yogi, speaker, teacher, and mother who helps others live their best life through conversation and meditation. We sat down with Jamie to talk about how her path has unfolded throughout her life and how we can connect with our humanness by remembering we’re all struggling with the same thing: self-worth, and how to nourish ourselves in authentic ways. You can connect with Jamie through her website organic...
109 Doing What the Soul Desires with Jamie Graber
June 15, 2022 22:00 - 53 minutesJamie Graber is a coach, mind shifter, energy mover, crystal lover, meditator, author, yogi, speaker, teacher, and mother who helps others live their best life through conversation and meditation. We sat down with Jamie to talk about how her path has unfolded throughout her life and how we can connect with our humanness by remembering we’re all struggling with the same thing: self-worth, and how to nourish ourselves in authentic ways. You can connect with Jamie through her website organica...
Ep 108 Letting the Sky Fall - Live Coaching Session
June 09, 2022 01:00 - 33 minutesIn this live coaching session, we sit down with Kay to talk about control and her struggles and frustrations with letting go of it both at home and at work. We talk with Kay about navigating martyr syndrome, exploring the payoff we’re taking away from our codependent tendencies, the opportunities for growth we rob others of when we don’t let them fall and playing the tape through on the worst-case scenario in our head. Interested in joining a live virtual group class with us? We lead a var...