Beyond Well with Sheila Hamilton
426 episodes - English - Latest episode: 7 days ago - ★★★★★ - 49 ratingsBeyond Well With Sheila Hamilton is a podcast for people who want to learn tools for living better. Each week, we dive into a different aspect of emotional and behavioral health with our team of psychologists, psychiatrists, and people with lived experience. If you've wanted to try mental health therapy, but are prevented from doing so by cost or because of a lack of time, this podcast is for you.
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Episodes
Doctors Only/On Politics
February 01, 2020 01:15 - 12 minutes - 28.1 MBThere is a reported increase in the number of people seeing psychologists and psychiatrists for politically based fear, anxiety, and depression. In this episode, Dr. Goff and Dr. LeJeune discuss ways to stay healthy, engaged and positive during times of political stress. One of the hallmarks of politically induced anxiety is hyper-vigilance. Learn how to recognize it, calm your nervous system, and get busy applying your energy to something positive.
Ep. 61/ Doctors Only/On Politics
February 01, 2020 01:15 - 12 minutes - 28.1 MBThere is a reported increase in the number of people seeing psychologists and psychiatrists for politically based fear, anxiety, and depression. In this episode, Dr. Goff and Dr. LeJeune discuss ways to stay healthy, engaged and positive during times of political stress. One of the hallmarks of politically induced anxiety is hyper-vigilance. Learn how to recognize it, calm your nervous system, and get busy applying your energy to something positive.
Ep. 60/ Beyond Well Looks back at 2019 with Storm Large, Follow the Yes
January 27, 2020 13:00 - 55 minutes - 127 MBWe are starting 2020 by taking a look back at a few of our favorite shows from 2019. This show was originally released in June of 2019. Storm Large: musician, actor, playwright, author, awesome. She shot to national prominence in 2006 as a finalist on the CBS show Rock Star: Supernova, where despite having been eliminated in the week before the finale, Storm built a fan base that follows her around the world to this day. Storm joins us to talk about growing up with a severely mentally distur...
Beyond Well Looks back at 2019 with Storm Large, Follow the Yes
January 27, 2020 13:00 - 55 minutes - 127 MBWe are starting 2020 by taking a look back at a few of our favorite shows from 2019. This show was originally released in June of 2019. Storm Large: musician, actor, playwright, author, awesome. She shot to national prominence in 2006 as a finalist on the CBS show Rock Star: Supernova, where despite having been eliminated in the week before the finale, Storm built a fan base that follows her around the world to this day. Storm joins us to talk about growing up with a severely mentally d...
Ep. 59/ Beyond Well Looks Back at 2019 with Lauv
January 20, 2020 13:00 - 16 minutes - 38 MBIn October of 2019 we spoke to pop Superstar Lauv. He was on top of the world with the kickoff of his How I’m Feeling Tour, and using his global platform to promote mental health. In every show, Lauv takes a few minutes to describe his descent into depression and severe OCD, and why he credits therapy and medication with allowing him to regain his creativity and confidence. Lauv has partnered with Microsoft to create a worldwide mental health platform that connects people all over the globe....
Beyond Well Looks Back at 2019 with Lauv
January 20, 2020 13:00 - 16 minutes - 38 MBIn October of 2019 we spoke to pop Superstar Lauv. He was on top of the world with the kickoff of his How I’m Feeling Tour, and using his global platform to promote mental health. In every show, Lauv takes a few minutes to describe his descent into depression and severe OCD, and why he credits therapy and medication with allowing him to regain his creativity and confidence. Lauv has partnered with Microsoft to create a worldwide mental health platform that connects people all over the glo...
Beyond Well Looks back at 2019 Lidia Yuknavitch on depression
January 13, 2020 13:00 - 48 minutes - 112 MBThis show was originally released in March of 2019. We're thrilled to Re-visit Lidia Yuknavitch. The author of nine books, including The Chronology of Water, The Small Backs of Children, The book of Joan, and the Misfits Manifesto. Lidia's Ted Talk, The Beauty of Being a Misfit has been viewed 2,862,000 times. We think she has something to share about how telling and retelling your story can help re-frame traumatic experience.
Ep.58/ Beyond Well Looks back at 2019 Lidia Yuknavitch on depression
January 13, 2020 13:00 - 48 minutes - 112 MBThis show was originally released in March of 2019. We're thrilled to Re-visit Lidia Yuknavitch. The author of nine books, including The Chronology of Water, The Small Backs of Children, The book of Joan, and the Misfits Manifesto. Lidia's Ted Talk, The Beauty of Being a Misfit has been viewed 2,862,000 times. We think she has something to share about how telling and retelling your story can help re-frame traumatic experience.
Ep. 57/ Dave Dahl/Recovery is Not A Straight Line
January 10, 2020 13:00 - 20 minutes - 47.3 MBDave Dahl speaks openly about his ongoing management of depression and bipolar disorder and the excruciating climb back from a manic episode that nearly ended his life. Dahl’s entrepreneurial journey began in prison. In 1987, Dave was addicted to drugs and incarcerated for home burglary. Dave returned to his family bakery in the mid 2000’s and quickly developed a marketing juggernaut, Dave’s Killer Bread. In 2015, the Dahl family sold the business for $275 million dollars. In this interview, ...
Dave Dahl/ The Killer Breadmaker Gets Real
January 10, 2020 13:00 - 20 minutes - 47.3 MBDave Dahl speaks openly about his ongoing management of depression and bipolar disorder and the excruciating climb back from a manic episode that nearly ended his life. Dahl’s entrepreneurial journey began in prison. In 1987, Dave was addicted to drugs and incarcerated for home burglary. Dave returned to his family bakery in the mid 2000’s and quickly developed a marketing juggernaut, Dave’s Killer Bread. In 2015, the Dahl family sold the business for $275 million dollars. In this interview,...
Dave Dahl/Recovery is Not A Straight Line
January 10, 2020 13:00 - 20 minutes - 47.3 MBDave Dahl speaks openly about his ongoing management of depression and bipolar disorder and the excruciating climb back from a manic episode that nearly ended his life. Dahl’s entrepreneurial journey began in prison. In 1987, Dave was addicted to drugs and incarcerated for home burglary. Dave returned to his family bakery in the mid 2000’s and quickly developed a marketing juggernaut, Dave’s Killer Bread. In 2015, the Dahl family sold the business for $275 million dollars. In this interview,...
Beyond Well Looks back at 2019 with Cheryl Strayed on Grief
January 06, 2020 13:00 - 49 minutes - 114 MBWe are starting 2020 by taking a look back at a few of our favorite shows from 2019. This show was originally released in March of 2019. It features special guest Cheryl Strayed. The message of Cheryl Strayed's memoir Wild: From Lost to Found on the Pacific Trail has helped millions of people process grief in a new and profound way. In this episode of Beyond Well, Sheila Hamilton and Dr's Brian Goff and Jenna LeJeune talk about the potential of bouncing forward after loss, and of grievin...
Ep. 56/ Beyond Well Looks back at 2019 with Cheryl Strayed on Grief
January 06, 2020 13:00 - 49 minutes - 114 MBWe are starting 2020 by taking a look back at a few of our favorite shows from 2019. This show was originally released in March of 2019. It features special guest Cheryl Strayed. The message of Cheryl Strayed's memoir Wild: From Lost to Found on the Pacific Trail has helped millions of people process grief in a new and profound way. In this episode of Beyond Well, Sheila Hamilton and Dr's Brian Goff and Jenna LeJeune talk about the potential of bouncing forward after loss, and of grieving fro...
Beyond Well Looks back at 2019 with Cheryl Strayed on Grief
January 06, 2020 13:00 - 49 minutes - 114 MBWe are starting 2020 by taking a look back at a few of our favorite shows from 2019. This show was originally released in March of 2019. It features special guest Cheryl Strayed. The message of Cheryl Strayed's memoir Wild: From Lost to Found on the Pacific Trail has helped millions of people process grief in a new and profound way. In this episode of Beyond Well, Sheila Hamilton and Dr's Brian Goff and Jenna LeJeune talk about the potential of bouncing forward after loss, and of grievin...
Beyond Well Science/Dr. Bob Drake
January 02, 2020 13:00 - 15 minutes - 107 MB VideoDr. Bob Drake prefers to be called Bob, a nod toward his belief in community medicine and the power of social healing. Drake’s experience as a psychiatrist and later employment specialist led him to believe employment may be the most powerful predictor of success in people with mental illness. Dr. Drake set up the ips network, matching people with mental illness with meaningful work. The organization now has more than a thousand satellite offices across the country.
Ep. 55/ Mike Schmidt/Seeing Beyond Labels
December 30, 2019 13:00 - 28 minutes - 66.4 MBMike Schmidt is running for Multnomah county district attorney with one of the most multi-dimensional views toward the criminalization of the mentally ill we’ve ever heard. Mike’s experience as an inner city school teacher informs his sense of justice and rehabilitation.
Mike Schmidt/Seeing Beyond Labels
December 30, 2019 13:00 - 28 minutes - 66.4 MBMike Schmidt is running for Multnomah county district attorney with one of the most multi-dimensional views toward the criminalization of the mentally ill we’ve ever heard. Mike’s experience as an inner city school teacher informs his sense of justice and rehabilitation.
Beyond Well Science/Dr Jennifer McLaren and Dr. Erin Burnett
December 26, 2019 13:00 - 14 minutes - 102 MB VideoAs many as forty percent of foster children are on multiple medications. Dr’s Burnett and McLaren study, research and question whether the medications are necessary and whether the families and prescribing doctors are interested in a lower pharmacological load on children’s bodies. A fascinating look at the trend toward over-drugging in America, especially concerning the country’s most vulnerable children.
Ep. 54/ Doctors Only/ Lets Drop the “Self” in “Self-Care"
December 23, 2019 12:00 - 20 minutes - 46.6 MBDr. Brian Goff and Dr. Jenna LeJeune debate the nature of #self-care and whether the notion of self care has a negative impact on people’s lives because it singles out your “self” from all the other selves you love (people, pets, work partners, etc.) Jenna argues to be sure to include you always in the group of people you are caring well for, using the skills of LovingKindness Meditation, Brian is more open to the notion of #selfcare as it can help people who might otherwise have restrict...
Doctors Only/ Lets Drop the “Self” in “Self-Care"
December 23, 2019 12:00 - 20 minutes - 46.6 MBDr. Brian Goff and Dr. Jenna LeJeune debate the nature of #self-care and whether the notion of self care has a negative impact on people’s lives because it singles out your “self” from all the other selves you love (people, pets, work partners, etc.) Jenna argues to be sure to include you always in the group of people you are caring well for, using the skills of LovingKindness Meditation, Brian is more open to the notion of #selfcare as it can help people who might otherwise have r...
Lucy Winer, Filmmaker and Creator of the Project “Unlocked"
December 19, 2019 13:00 - 16 minutes - 111 MB VideoLucy Winer is a director and producer known for the documentary Kings Park: Stories from an American Mental Institution and the creator of Unlocked, a video library and curriculum for researchers, students and professors of psychiatry and psychology. Lucy’s personal experience of being committed to Kings Park as a teenager in the late 1960’s drew her to the stories of other patients, the caregivers, the doctors, and even the law enforcement officers involved in the running of state hospital...
Ep. 53/ Doctors Only/Triggering and Safe Spaces
December 16, 2019 12:00 - 16 minutes - 37.8 MBDo “Trigger warnings” and “Safe Spaces” really keep us safe? Dr Jenna LeJeune and Dr. Brian Goff discuss the dangerous trend toward identifying feelings as painful and thoughts as dangerous and harmful. But what are meant to be “safe-spaces” turn into echo chambers, shutting down any diversity of perspective or thought. New research suggests that trigger warnings may actually result in increased anxiety and Increased stigmatizing beliefs.
Doctors Only/Triggering and Safe Spaces
December 16, 2019 12:00 - 16 minutes - 37.8 MBDo “Trigger warnings” and “Safe Spaces” really keep us safe? Dr Jenna LeJeune and Dr. Brian Goff discuss the dangerous trend toward identifying feelings as painful and thoughts as dangerous and harmful. But what are meant to be “safe-spaces” turn into echo chambers, shutting down any diversity of perspective or thought. New research suggests that trigger warnings may actually result in increased anxiety and Increased stigmatizing beliefs.
Ep. 52/ C. Lamar Frizzell, CEO Cedar Hills Hospital
December 13, 2019 12:00 - 21 minutes - 48.5 MBC. Lamar Frizzell, CEO of Cedar Hills Hospital, has worked in the field of behavioral healthcare for over 20 years. Most recently, Frizzell held a similar role at Willow Creek Behavioral Health located in Green Bay, Wisconsin. Frizzell brings practical experience as a line-staff member and is educated in the fields of both Mental Health and Divinity In this interview, Sheila talks with Frizzell about the enormous pressure facing psychiatric hospitals because of an explosion of people in crisi...
C. Lamar Frizzell, CEO Cedar Hills Hospital
December 13, 2019 12:00 - 21 minutes - 48.5 MBC. Lamar Frizzell, CEO of Cedar Hills Hospital, has worked in the field of behavioral healthcare for over 20 years. Most recently, Frizzell held a similar role at Willow Creek Behavioral Health located in Green Bay, Wisconsin. Frizzell brings practical experience as a line-staff member and is educated in the fields of both Mental Health and Divinity In this interview, Sheila talks with Frizzell about the enormous pressure facing psychiatric hospitals because of an explosion of people in cr...
BeyondWellScience/ Dr. Sandra Steingard
December 12, 2019 13:00 - 19 minutes - 133 MB VideoDr. Steingard is the Chief Medical Officer at Howard Center where she has worked for over 23 years. She is also a Clinical Associate Professor of Psychiatry at the University of Vermont College of Medicine. Her clinical practice includes patients with schizophrenia and other psychotic illnesses. She has an interest in early episode psychosis and has participated in statewide and agency initiatives to better serve this population and their families. She has trained in Open Dialogue and is a m...
BeyondWellScience/ Dr. Sandra Steingard
December 12, 2019 13:00 - 19 minutes - 133 MB VideoDr. Steingard is the Chief Medical Officer at Howard Center where she has worked for over 23 years. She is also a Clinical Associate Professor of Psychiatry at the University of Vermont College of Medicine. Her clinical practice includes patients with schizophrenia and other psychotic illnesses. She has an interest in early episode psychosis and has participated in statewide and agency initiatives to better serve this population and their families. She has trained in Open Dialogue and is a m...
Ep. 51/ Jenna LeJeune & Jason Luoma: Creating a Meaningful Life.
December 09, 2019 13:00 - 51 minutes - 118 MBWhat makes a meaningful life? How Can we all live lives of purpose, focusing on who and what matters most to us regardless of whatever difficulties we are facing? These are the questions at the heart of Beyond Well cohost Jenna LeJeune, Ph.D. and her partner Jason Luoma, Ph.D.'s new book Values in Therapy" A Clinician's Guide to Helping Clients Explore Values, Increase Psychological Flexibility, and Live a More Meaningful Life. In this very personal episode of Beyond Well, Jenna and Jason off...
Jenna LeJeune & Jason Luoma: Creating a Meaningful Life.
December 09, 2019 13:00 - 51 minutes - 118 MBWhat makes a meaningful life? How Can we all live lives of purpose, focusing on who and what matters most to us regardless of whatever difficulties we are facing? These are the questions at the heart of Beyond Well cohost Jenna LeJeune, Ph.D. and her partner Jason Luoma, Ph.D.'s new book Values in Therapy" A Clinician's Guide to Helping Clients Explore Values, Increase Psychological Flexibility, and Live a More Meaningful Life. In this very personal episode of Beyond Well, Jenna and Jason ...
Beyond Well Science/Reggie Lee Hearing Voices
December 05, 2019 13:00 - 26 minutes - 178 MB Video(Warning: Potentially triggering and graphic content) Reggie Lee is facilitating the expansion of the Hearing Voices Network throughout the Pacific Northwest. Reggie had a spiritual break in the winter of 2012. He went from cooking in fine dining to an earth shattering break from personal identity coupled with distressing voices, intense visions, and tactile experiences, which lead Reggie to a suicide attempt. In this stunning interview with Beyond Well’s Sheila Hamilton, Reggie describe...
Nastashia Minto/How a Gay, Southern, Former Pastor Found her Voice
December 02, 2019 12:00 - 22 minutes - 51.2 MBNastashia Minto is an author, poet, and spoken word artist with the Soul of a Southern Pastor. In this interview, Nastashia talks about finding faith while abandoning her religion and delivers two of her stunning spoken word performances.
Ep. 50/ Nastashia Minto/How a Gay, Southern, Former Pastor Found her Voice
December 02, 2019 12:00 - 22 minutes - 51.2 MBNastashia Minto is an author, poet, and spoken word artist with the Soul of a Southern Pastor. In this interview, Nastashia talks about finding faith while abandoning her religion and delivers two of her stunning spoken word performances.
Beyond Well Science/ Dr, Shannon Hughes
November 28, 2019 13:00 - 18 minutes - 124 MB VideoDr. Shannon Hughes teaches, writes, and conducts research about the medicalization of human distress and the role of psychotropic drugs in managing our mental and emotional lives. She has developed and delivered education for professional social workers, counselors, and researchers on the topics of safety and efficacy of psychoactive substances used in mental health care, shifting paradigms of drug use, and roles of helping professionals in supporting empowered relationships with psychoactiv...
Ep. 49/ Doctors Only/The Holiday Blues
November 25, 2019 12:00 - 11 minutes - 25.4 MBThis is one of the most relevant conversations you’ll hear if you hunker down from late November until the New Year. The holiday blues are often a barometer of the stories we tell ourselves about what we should have, and compare those narratives to stories about what others seem to have. We invite you to a discussion on what some view as the hardest time of the year.
Doctors Only/The Holiday Blues
November 25, 2019 12:00 - 11 minutes - 25.4 MBThis is one of the most relevant conversations you’ll hear if you hunker down from late November until the New Year. The holiday blues are often a barometer of the stories we tell ourselves about what we should have, and compare those narratives to stories about what others seem to have. We invite you to a discussion on what some view as the hardest time of the year.
Beyond Well Science/Keris Jan Myrick
November 21, 2019 13:00 - 22 minutes - 156 MB VideoKeris Jen Myrick is shattering the myths surrounding people living with schizophrenia and schizoaffective disorder. Myrick was the Discipline chief for Peer services for the La County department of mental health and the director of the office of consumer Affairs for the center for mental health services at SAMHSA. She is a leading mental health advocate and executive, known for her innovative and inclusive approach to mental health reform.
Cassidy Quinn/ Let's Get Real about Mental Health.
November 18, 2019 13:00 - 38 minutes - 87.8 MBCassidy Quinn is one of the most beloved Northwest news and entertainment personalities. As host of a tv news program, Tonight with Cassidy, a radio show and a popular Youtube channel, Cassidy barely has time to sleep. In this episode, Cassidy talks about what it took to finally admit that she was suffering from depression and anxiety, and how she lives well despite her diagnosis.
Ep. 48/ Cassidy Quinn/ Let's Get Real about Mental Health.
November 18, 2019 13:00 - 38 minutes - 87.8 MBCassidy Quinn is one of the most beloved Northwest news and entertainment personalities. As host of a tv news program, Tonight with Cassidy, a radio show and a popular Youtube channel, Cassidy barely has time to sleep. In this episode, Cassidy talks about what it took to finally admit that she was suffering from depression and anxiety, and how she lives well despite her diagnosis.
Beyond Well Science/Dr. Dee Mangin
November 14, 2019 13:00 - 21 minutes - 148 MB VideoDr Mangin is the chief medical advisor for Risk.org An advocate for better independent information for patients and their doctors on drugs, Dee has published widely on the rational use of drugs, including ‘deprescribing’ trials for polypharmacy and for individual drugs. She is co-editor of a WHO manual for medical and pharmacy students on understanding and responding to drug company promotion, as well as articles and book chapters addressing polypharmacy in older age. Dee is interested in...
Israel Nebeker/Blind Pilot
November 11, 2019 13:00 - 29 minutes - 68 MBIsrael Nebeker is the founder of Blind Pilot and a singer/songwriter whose music now reaches millions of fans. In this episode, Israel talks about confronting one of the darkest periods of his life by wandering into the Black Forest in Germany—with no path to follow and not sure if he would ever find his way out. It was only by confronting his loneliness, his fear, and his belief that he was powerless to change the dynamic that he experienced a significant awakening. This interv...
Ep. 47/ Israel Nebeker/Blind Pilot
November 11, 2019 13:00 - 29 minutes - 68 MBIsrael Nebeker is the founder of Blind Pilot and a singer/songwriter whose music now reaches millions of fans. In this episode, Israel talks about confronting one of the darkest periods of his life by wandering into the Black Forest in Germany—with no path to follow and not sure if he would ever find his way out. It was only by confronting his loneliness, his fear, and his belief that he was powerless to change the dynamic that he experienced a significant awakening. This interview was vot...
Beyond Well Science/Steven Jackson and Shaiheed Days
November 07, 2019 13:00 - 22 minutes - 156 MB VideoShaiheed Days and Steven Jackson have taken what they learned as Academy fellows at Yale to their community in Philadelphia, becoming mentors at Youth MOVE, "nurturing the next generation of disruptive mental health leaders".
Steven Jackson and Shaiheed Days
November 07, 2019 13:00 - 22 minutes - 156 MB VideoShaiheed Days and Steven Jackson have taken what they learned as Academy fellows at Yale to their community in Philadelphia, becoming mentors at Youth MOVE, "nurturing the next generation of disruptive mental health leaders".
Kiah Stern/There Is No Plan B
November 04, 2019 13:00 - 22 minutes - 52.3 MBAs an actor on the hit series American Vandal and someone who is constantly in the public eye, Kiah Stern has no plan B. She’s working plan A with an intensity and focus rarely talked about when people dream of becoming a star. We talk with Kiah about how best to deal with a barrage of “feedback,” solicited or not. From her body to her hair to her various film and tv roles, Kiah (who played Jenna Hawthorne in Season Two of American Vandal) has developed specific techniques for how to deal ...
Ep. 46/ Kiah Stern/There Is No Plan B
November 04, 2019 13:00 - 22 minutes - 52.3 MBAs an actor on the hit series American Vandal and someone who is constantly in the public eye, Kiah Stern has no plan B. She’s working plan A with an intensity and focus rarely talked about when people dream of becoming a star. We talk with Kiah about how best to deal with a barrage of “feedback,” solicited or not. From her body to her hair to her various film and tv roles, Kiah (who played Jenna Hawthorne in Season Two of American Vandal) has developed specific techniques for how to deal wit...
Gina Firman Nikkel
October 31, 2019 12:00 - 16 minutes - 115 MB VideoGina Nikkel, PhD is the Ceo of the Foundation for Excellence in Mental Healthcare, (Femhc), a worldwide organization that exists to promote better mental health outcomes. For too long, people with mental health challenges have been given little hope and further traumatized by forced treatment and years spent cycling in and out of hospitals. In this Interview, Dr. Nikkel shares the significant progress the Foundation has made in funding significant research and collaborating with psychiatr...
Jackie Shannon Hollis/A Childless Love Story
October 28, 2019 12:00 - 27 minutes - 62.6 MBPeople are increasingly unsure about kids, and the US and European fertility rate is at an all time low. According to Pew Research, 1 in 5 people will remain childless. This week, the Beyond Well Team talk about the growing number of people who are intentionally childless. If you are attempting to decide whether to have children, this episode is for you. As a farm girl raised in eastern Oregon, Jackie ShannonHollis expected to become another someday. But, after several failed relationships,...
Ep. 45/ Jackie Shannon Hollis/A Childless Love Story
October 28, 2019 12:00 - 27 minutes - 62.6 MBPeople are increasingly unsure about kids, and the US and European fertility rate is at an all time low. According to Pew Research, 1 in 5 people will remain childless. This week, the Beyond Well Team talk about the growing number of people who are intentionally childless. If you are attempting to decide whether to have children, this episode is for you. As a farm girl raised in eastern Oregon, Jackie ShannonHollis expected to become another someday. But, after several failed relationships, J...
Chris Hansen
October 24, 2019 12:00 - 10 minutes - 69.9 MB VideoAn episode of forced psychiatric care changed Chris Hansen’s life for the better. But, it wasn’t the therapy or drugs that provided hope. It was the lessons and wisdom of fellow patients that changed Hansen’s life for the better. Intentional Peer Support gives people suffering from mental health condition community, shared experience, and optimism that recovery is possible.
Ron Artis II, Radical Honesty
October 21, 2019 12:00 - 39 minutes - 91.1 MBRon Artis II is growing into a newly accessible and emotionally acute period of his life. His new album, Love is Love, is a departure from the funk and soul fans are accustomed to from his wildly popular band, Ron Artis II and the Truth, but its stunning lyrics and melodic sound reveal a growth Ron himself says he nearly missed, “From the age of thirteen to eighteen, while I was concentrating on becoming the best guitar player I could be, I thought emotions were something to be dispensed wi...