00:59 – Introducing today’s guest, Michael Roderick

01:47 – Michael’s unique background

02:37 – The transition from English teacher to Broadway producer

05:20 – Asking people for money

08:38 – The negative influence of money

11:08 – Addressing the risks of investing in Broadway shows

14:45 – Different motivations for investing in Broadway shows

21:39 – Networking the right way

23:09 – Treating investors as people

28:06 – The importance of reflection

28:40 – Michael’s current business ventures

31:14 – The three factors of a referable brand

34:24 – The genesis of Michael’s entrepreneurial journey

39:43 – Challenges of building a business

41:00 – The most dangerous number

42:09 – Liz reiterates the importance of reflection and being adaptable

43:04 – The diving board metaphor

44:30 – Cultivating key relationships

48:43 – Michael shares the most difficult aspect of building his business

52:16 – Michael elaborates on his daily email

53:41 – Michael’s perspective on referral fees

1:00:45 – What Zen Money means to Michael


Sound Bites:


“I often say that you limit the things you get in life when you limit other people’s creativity.” (08:01)


“Language is used all the time to influence our decisions. So, from a marketing standpoint, when somebody talks about the idea of investing in yourself you have a completely different level of emotional resonance than somebody saying ‘Spend money on this.’” (19:10)


“I’m very bullish on the idea of frameworks over formulas.” (26:02)


“When I broke it down, I realized that a referable brand has three factors. And it’s easy to remember because it spells the word ‘aim.’ And that’s Accessibility, Influence, and Memory.” (31:15)


“If technology changes, if the way that something’s structured changes, if the tool that you’re using to collect money suddenly has a glitch or has a particular issue, you’re going to have a different business in another couple of years.” (40:38)


“If you are going to engage in some sort of referral monetary relationship, you want to make sure people know that that relationship exists.” (54:36)


“The way I think about it [Zen Money] is this idea of sort of ‘money calm,’ where, when you think about meditation and when you think about being relaxed there’s this dynamic of breathing well and everything is sort of just calm.” (1:00:57)


About Michael:


When Michael went from high school teacher to Broadway producer in under two years people started to ask him how he managed it. Michael began his career as a high school English teacher before producing Off Broadway and then on Broadway. This combination of experience in the arts and entrepreneurship led to Michael starting an arts incubator program to teach more artists about building and growing their own businesses (PLAE). Eventually, he decided to develop a workshop on networking which grew into a full-time consulting practice and that became Small Pond Enterprises.


Michael took a short break to work as the V.P. of Operations and as a Director of Business Development for an NYC Ed. Tech Startup which introduced him to the New York Startup community. Most recently, Michael founded The Connecting Connectors Conference (ConnectorCon).


Links Mentioned:


Robert B. Caldini – Influence: The Psychology of Persuasion


Michael’s Website


Michael’s Facebook


Michael’s Twitter – @MichaelRoderick


Michael’s LinkedIn


Zen Money Financial Quiz


Zen Money Website

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