Ann and Sue delve into the pressing emotional and social challenges confronting our world today. They examine the impact of divisive political rhetoric, the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic, collective distrust, and widespread trauma on individuals and society as a whole. Emphasizing the necessity of self-awareness and accountability, they underscore the role each person plays in contributing to collective healing and regulation. Throughout their conversation, Ann and Sue stress the importance of vulnerability, genuine connection, and the pursuit of healing as essential components of addressing systemic issues and promoting relational solutions. They also tackle the complexities of polarization, advocating for open-mindedness, nuance, and empathy in navigating ideological differences and fostering constructive dialogue. Explore the transformative potential of emotions like anger and the power of connection and love in driving positive societal change.


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Collective Activation fuels transformative change

Ann and Sue delve into the pressing emotional and social challenges confronting our world today. They examine the impact of divisive political rhetoric, the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic, collective distrust, and widespread trauma on individuals and society as a whole. Emphasizing the necessity of self-awareness and accountability, they underscore the role each person plays in contributing to collective healing and regulation. Throughout their conversation, Ann and Sue stress the importance of vulnerability, genuine connection, and the pursuit of healing as essential components of addressing systemic issues and promoting relational solutions. They also tackle the complexities of polarization, advocating for open-mindedness, nuance, and empathy in navigating ideological differences and fostering constructive dialogue. Explore the transformative potential of emotions like anger and the power of connection and love in driving positive societal change.

“…if you can get your mind and your body connected and be deliberate about your actions, you’re going to bemore powerful” – Sue Marriott

Time Stamps for Collective Activation

1:42 – Reflecting on current events and polarization 


4:40 – Sue’s bug analogy from the book 


7:55 – Understanding our reactivity 


10:15 – We have to go inward and look inward 


15:25 – Ann’s anecdote of sitting with the discomfort


17:44 – Tools to “hang in there” and to try to stay regulated


18:46 – Explanation of the “certainty virus” 


30:17 – Taking responsibility for our part 


32:23 – The need for vulnerability and safety 


35:15 – Cultivating safety around you 


37:55 – Letting anger inform 


48:34 – Holding our own individually and collectively


50:46 – Keeping hope alive 


58:31 – Recognizing the signs of collectiveness and collective activation

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