This "Taking 20" Conversation was recorded LIVE in 2021. Brook Lee is NOT what most people think of when you say "pageant girl".  She's incredibly beautiful of course – inside and out. She's also VERY intelligent with a quick sense of humor, which is why this episode will make you smile.

Brook was my roommate at the 1997 Miss USA Pageant and she went on to win Miss USA and Miss Universe. We've remained friends, and she's now married with two kids. She was Miss Hawaii and I was Miss Iowa when we met, and she saved me from being naked on the Miss USA stage. Her wonderful attitude has saved me many times over the years, and I'm excited to get to introduce her to you. This episode comes from October 2020. We talked about resilience – and several other things: gaining weight, judging other people, judging ourselves, being a mom...and Mulligans.

This is a twenty-minute conversation where we hope you will take some time for you, and we get to the "Mulligan" part at the end, so please stay for it . Here's to more joy, less stress, and the occassional Mulligan.

Brook's the only Native Hawaiian to capture the Miss Universe crown and you can watch her on @modernwahinehawaii & @itsahawaiithing.