Weird things we do to feel better. Experiences vs. material things, reminder of what's important, cooking sitting?

What weird thing(s) do you do to make yourself feel better?

Listen as I misunderstand Ethan and go in-depth about how we all buy with emotion, justify with logic, talk about cook sitting, discuss experiences, meditation, and the small things we do to feel better. 35-minute workouts keep me sane and why you don't need 90 minutes at the gym. We go a little in-depth about having great workouts in 20 minutes, High intensity interval training.

[00:00:03] spk_1: Hey, what's up everybody? Welcome to the Life Next Level podcast. Uh I'm Ethan.

[00:00:10] spk_0: I am j how's it going? I know I said that a little weird. I was trying to I'm trying out a few things here since this is new. I'm trying, I'm trying to I don't know, I feel like we have to have like a in personable voice at the beginning, like

[00:00:29] spk_1: uh yeah,

[00:00:30] spk_0: yeah, I don't know. But uh yeah, man. Always good, always good. Uh it's getting hot here in Arizona. I can tell you that there's like 100 for the past two days,

[00:00:40] spk_1: wow, Really,

[00:00:41] spk_0: Really, pretty soon. It's gonna be like 120. That's that stuff gets hot.

[00:00:46] spk_1: It sounds like it. Yeah,

[00:00:48] spk_0: I lived in Thailand in Hawaii man and it gets humid there. But um I worked out the other day, I worked out And then right after my work or to walk the trader joes, because I love trader joes. It's like a 20 minute walk and you know, I'm drinking water the whole time. I'm obsessed with water. And I got back and I was like, I was so dehydrated. It was crazy because I don't know because this is dry heat and I don't know. But it was, it was bizarre. It was like I was hungover.

[00:01:21] spk_1: So funny man. Yeah, I don't know. I mean 120. That feels like it's not that far away from a setting you could put on your oven. That's nuts. You know?

[00:01:29] spk_0: Yeah, I mean, I always hear the stories that you can cook eggs on your car or whatever, but I'm not gonna try it, but doesn't want him to waste

[00:01:41] spk_1: just to know you could, if need. Uh

[00:01:44] spk_0: so I don't have a car. I would have to pick someone else's

[00:01:47] spk_1: way. Okay, eggs on somebody. Hey, Seeing if it works, man, it does. Uh That's why it is crazy. Yeah, keep that. Yeah, just freshly made. Uh yeah, that's wow. Yeah, it's like, it was like 60 something maybe and it's been uh you know, feeling a lot warmer here and whatever and that's always, that's always nice. But yeah man, I'm such a sweaty dude. I would really, you are struggle. I would have to, you

[00:02:23] spk_0: got like, we would work out together like when we were going to class together and you would like pre sweat does not thinking about working out.

[00:02:31] spk_1: It does not take much. I've literally, I've been sitting on the couch like eating, not wearing a shirt and be the sweat, I'll just roll down. Yeah, rig cage and I'll be like, I'm literally, I couldn't be any like a slide from being asleep. I couldn't be any less exerted and I'm putting right now. But yes, I would, I would need to like buy some stock in the shirt company or something if I was going to go somewhere like

[00:02:56] spk_0: Arizona. Yeah, it's pretty it's it's getting to the point that it's pretty nuts. But I mean I don't know, I've lived in like Thailand was hot. Hawaii was pretty hot in some areas that I was that it was but I think this is gonna be a new a new level. This is going to be a crazy

[00:03:14] spk_1: summer. It sounds good. It sounds like it feels it would be fun for a while. I feel like

[00:03:20] spk_0: yeah man. Um All right. So what are we going to talk about today?

[00:03:25] spk_1: Uh Let's see. So what is something that you do to make yourself feel better? Right? They say that. Well that makes sense.

[00:03:37] spk_0: Yeah. What what what kind of weird thing you to make yourself feel better or something that most people probably don't do I guess is to feel better, put it that way.

[00:03:49] spk_1: Yeah. Yeah. You uh you what do you do? What some of us

[00:03:57] spk_0: have a couple, have a couple of one of them. I I'm only gonna throw out there because I mean everybody does this but I do it to feel better and it probably won't be too deep or anything, but I love to cook a meal man, I'm not saying I'm like a chef J or anything, but maybe I could

[00:04:16] spk_1: be I'm

[00:04:19] spk_0: not chef J or anything, but I just I just love to cook something for throwing my earbuds, listen to maybe an audiobook or podcast and just like get the day behind me. It just it just gets me out of my thoughts, get to cook a meal, I get a home cooked meal and it just kind of, it's like cathartic in a way,

[00:04:39] spk_1: totally. Yeah. Uh Yeah, man. Uh It's just, I mean food always don't, always, but like it's such a comforting thing and uh

[00:04:51] spk_0: and then the eating part of it to think about that you got.

[00:04:55] spk_1: Exactly, that's like that's the feeling right there is like sitting down after you've just made it all and it's chilling on the plate and uh freshly seasoned and con demented and uh you know, you're ready to go. That's gold right there

[00:05:12] spk_0: it is. Yeah. And then you enjoy the making of it too. It's just always hard to find time to do that. You know, it's like, I don't know uh you know, I have a lot of stuff going on so I'm either working or learning or or else I'm like out socializing because I just trapped myself in a lot. So it's very sometimes it's hard to find the time, but I just have to make time to do stuff like that. Um

[00:05:35] spk_1: Yeah,

[00:05:36] spk_0: but that was really wasn't my big thing, I think that's just a cathartic thing for me a couple of days a week. Um And then I can make good, good and healthy meals for like days, two days after even. Um One of the biggest things that I do uh you know better than most probably, but I I'm like most people and that I love material stuff, we all do to an extent. One of my favorite things to do is when I get rid of my material things, it's hard at the time, but once it's gone, it's such a low, like I could I can travel now with two, I mean granted their big bags, two big bags and a big carry on. I can, that's all my stuff. Uh and you know, the things that take up most of the spot, most of the partitions and my eggs are, are like supplements. Anyway, protein powder and stuff that I have to bring with me because I'm obsessed with working out.

[00:06:34] spk_1: But

[00:06:36] spk_0: um uh when I went to Thailand man, I had like, two big bags full of stuff and one of them, I swear was just supplements. And I got to know if I can get this stuff over here.

[00:06:46] spk_1: I said they're like, what are all these powders? I

[00:06:50] spk_0: was actually scared of

[00:06:51] spk_1: that. Like, uh

[00:06:54] spk_0: like, weird, like, like white powders. It's like, hello Fi indian, right? But it's just like this white soft powder that's in this this pouch and I'm like, oh, this is not probably going to go. Well, I was sweating it. But

[00:07:06] spk_1: yeah, yeah. Just getting nervous anytime you see the airport dog. Yeah.

[00:07:11] spk_0: But I think it's ultimately, I think it's ultimately like, very important, like material, we're so obsessed with material things here. And I mean, so even go with something big. This material, like you have enough money to go buy a Ferrari. But You know, in 30 years, when you're looking back in your life, how important is that for already going to be versus how important is it going to be? How important are the experiences and the relationship is going to be? You know what I mean? And it's just something that I try to do every once in a while. I mean, I forced myself to because I move like an idiot all the time, but um, get rid of material stuff and then you start to realize like how unimportant it is and how important the other things are the experiences that you're having and the people that you're talking to. Um I mean I could care less, we could have one person listen to this podcast, but I'm having a blast and then talking to you with this podcast, it's such an experience that I'll never forget.

[00:08:09] spk_1: Yeah, yeah,

[00:08:11] spk_0: these are the important things and don't get me wrong, every time I settled down for even six months I end up with a bunch more material stupid stuff and I'm like why do I do this to myself and ended up taking it a wears Yeah,

[00:08:22] spk_1: I get it, I get it, you know, and like, I feel like especially you know, as its existing is somewhat of a mechanism, I don't know, so, so first of all do you feel like it's something that you actively due to, you know, you're like, you know what, I am feeling a little, whatever, I want to like heard something to, to cause that effect or is it just sort of like, you feel good after you do it.

[00:08:46] spk_0: There's a, it's a lot like gambling. There's a there's a something that makes you feel good about buying something that that's that's what, that's what like writing effective copy is all about when you, when you go, when you see something and you're reading all this copy and um uh like my copy, I mean marketing copy, right? So you're reading something and they're trying to sell you something, you're like, oh I have to have it. It's all based, everything they read about is based on how we think, you know, they'll write about something about limited quantities and like everybody else has it. So they say like everyone else has it and they'll show reviews about people that love it. So then they're giving you context and like and they're like making it a popular thing. It's all it's all like it's all psychologically driven and because I've taken a bunch of classes on and I actually do it to um you know, I write copy like that so it's very interesting and the funny thing is I know what's happening and it still sucks me in like this is,

[00:09:47] spk_1: wow, you hear that? No, not really. Mhm.

[00:09:52] spk_0: It was like a pedal pub going, getting on below my apartment and they're drinking two girls girls,

[00:10:00] spk_1: it's

[00:10:02] spk_0: very loud and president here anyway. Um but it's all psychologically driven which interests me. I wish I had went to school more for psychology if I had. I regret on that because it's very interesting but but I can I can I know exactly what they're doing with every line at the writing and I'm still sucked in because the truth is you buy with emotion. You don't buy with, you don't think about it, you buy with emotion and then you justify it later. Almost everything that you buy you go and you buy a car, you go and you buy a boat, you buy $100 thing here, you're like I want it, you buy with emotion and then you justify it later and then maybe you'll take it back. But most of the time you won't take it back. So it's all about it's all about psychology. So so yeah I forgot why we got into this deep aspect of it. But

[00:10:53] spk_1: yeah. No. Well and I think you know so do you I mean do you uh like literally notice yourself like one for one you're feeling funky so you actually get rid of something to feel better, you know what I mean?

[00:11:08] spk_0: No, no, I wouldn't say that, I would say that. Uh I think it's a it's a I would say what's 1-1 is I decide that I'm going to go somewhere else or do something else and get rid of a bunch of my stuff when I do it. So it's almost it's almost a both of those usually happen at the same time. Um But I think about it a lot, so now I don't really get too many material things but getting rid of them is again it's it's cathartic to me, like I get rid of him and I'm like I don't know like I really like this crackpot, but then I get rid of it and I'm like huh? Why was that such a big deal? Like who cares, a crackpot man, You know? So yeah, it's a very good question. I'm not sure. I wouldn't say like every time I'm like feeling down I get rid of something, but it makes me feel a lot better when I do, especially if I can donate it. Like I, when I was in Hawaii I was like, well I have all these books and I want them. It was actually really hard to do because I love books, you know that, but I can't take them around with me. And so I had a bunch of hawaii um I still do have some in hawaii but had a bunch of hawaii and I was like, well I just took a box of them and just gave him away, gave him the goodwill, like here give them to people like whatever, I don't care. Um Yeah, I mean because I think books are very important and I'd like to have them. I one of the weirdest things that I miss is that I had this nice big bookshelf for a couple of them when I was in Minneapolis and all these hardcover books and I like books. Um and I like to read them and I just like to have them and I think also there aesthetically pleasing to me uh but getting rid of them also feels really good because now I know somebody else is going to hopefully experience what I experienced when I read them, right? You know? So now I literally I travel around with like four books, like four soft cover books that I've read them all and I'll read them again. Yeah.

[00:13:13] spk_1: Yeah. Well I think it's interesting too because I feel like, you know, I can imagine why it's so cathartic to uh just in terms of like the connection to, you know, like you said that emotional notion of buying, where it's like, you know, I will be a better version of myself, or I'll feel better if I have this thing. It can feel it can feel, you know, a whole or whatever that is that is otherwise in me. And so I feel like the process of getting rid of something um like that is a little nod to one's self, you know, in in saying that, like, I would wonder why, you know, uh getting rid of something, if it would just be a scenario where if you feel comfortable enough to do it to pull the trigger on getting rid of it. That that that's kind of like sending a little signal to yourself that, you know, I'm good enough without this thing, you know what I mean? And it's kind of like a little boost of confidence, something like that, you know? I think that's uh yeah, just interesting, you know, I

[00:14:12] spk_0: think everybody that's listening, which there's at least three or four people, I think all three or four of those people, it's gonna be hard to do, go through all your stuff and go donate it or give it to homeless people on the street or donated to goodwill or um even give it to, you know, if it's in good condition and workable, give it to someone, give it to people as fortunate for christmas that you don't know and um it will make you feel better about yourself. But God, we love to have stuff, man, we love to get a house and then fill our house with stuff that we don't need, fill our car with stuff we don't need fill our office space with stuff we don't need. It's crazy how much stuff we get that that were very attached to. I just look at my parents like my dad won't get rid of anything, anything Matt has freaking 78 years old I think. And he still has everything he's ever had. It's and you try to get him be rid of something, nope. Yeah, he's very possessive over it, which I guess people are possessive over their stuff, but I'm just so glad that it did it in the first place. I know it's hard to do now. It's a lot less hard for me to do, but I still find myself buying stuff but it's a lot less hard for me to get rid of it now. It doesn't matter as much as anything. I think that everybody should at least twice a year, go through your closets, go through your, everything, just get rid of stuff you don't need. And I know like I still have even shirts that I haven't worn like a year that again but I don't want to get rid of it. We'll have attachments and stuff. But um it's very cathartic and it makes you realize the really important stuff in life and it's not material stuff.

[00:15:54] spk_1: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah man it's a crazy thing.

[00:15:59] spk_0: So we went on that for a while. How about you man?

[00:16:03] spk_1: Uh Yeah mine is you know I feel like it's I will shave my head. Uh

[00:16:17] spk_0: Oh you're you're talking in another episode and saying I wish I remembered if this one is out yet or not because we have a little pile of them built up which is good we need but I can't remember. But yeah you were talking about how you like if you haven't shaved your head that day uh and you're in bed or something, you will get up at like two a.m. My

[00:16:37] spk_1: God. Yeah exactly. Yeah because usually that's just because you know my head's all that you and whatever but honestly like yeah I will uh it feels it feels really good like that, like physically good, you know? It's not, it feels benign physically, like it just feels like an action but just like mentally uh yeah it feels good to shave my head and I also you know like to trim my beard or whatever and I think it is interesting because I feel like it speaks to, I noted I would notice that there were plenty of times where uh if I was running late to something uh and that was like bugging me. I was feeling like my day was getting away from me or whatever. There are times where I'll be like I need to leave my house in literally two minutes if I do not, I know for a fact that I'll be late and then I'll be like okay, I'll do that and then I'll be like, I'm gonna shave my head just real quick. It doesn't take very long, I could do it in 10 minutes, but still, there are plenty of times where I'm like, I am now late, you know, because I chose. But I but I would realize that I think that uh it would feel like I think it was a little thing that I would do to feel like I had some control, you know, because I'm like, well be late and I jacked that up. So that sucks. But at least I can be in control of the state of the little hairs on my head. And so I think that it speaks to that idea of like you know uh um uh kind of like being able to use a little backdoor protocol or something to get around a certain feeling, you know? And so I think um I think that yeah, you know, I can see why it's just a little reminder you know of like oh you can you think it's like anything can be meditation, you know? And I think it can literally be a little like meditative thing where it's like you can, you know affect this thing and do whatever and appreciate you know, machine. The appreciate the light doesn't reflect off your head, but honestly like it just represents that. I mean like it's the same as what you were talking about. I think in terms of like you know cook sitting or standing however you cook but cooking whatever sitting sometimes people, you know I was going to say sitting but that I think it doesn't really make sense. So I wanted to incorporate both. Uh you know, cook sitting, I mean I guess that people can't

[00:19:08] spk_0: say I was totally on board with you until you said cook sitting. It's a lot like me and cooking it

[00:19:16] spk_1: I guess it depends maybe there's something going on with one's leg. But uh but yeah,

[00:19:23] spk_0: you are a cook center out there

[00:19:25] spk_1: to all this. It was more

[00:19:26] spk_0: please.

[00:19:27] spk_1: Yeah. But yeah, just those little things that you know are small that take you know, not very much effort or whatever that you do that that can just represent something to you like, you know and and so yeah just like actually sitting you know for the first five minutes of your day or something and and taking the opportunity to be like I'm going to give myself some time before I start doing other stuff like that can mean a lot to you for the rest of the day, you know, like it sets your thought process and so yeah, I just think noticing little things like that, that yeah, that's one of the things that I'll shave my head and it'll make me feel just the tiniest bit more in control.

[00:20:09] spk_0: I think it's a very good point though, It seems small, but you know, one of the best things that I do every morning, it took me a long time to get into this habit is make my bed, it's just this little thing, it's a little thing, but I do it and then I come home and my bed's made don't come home too. And it's just this little thing that's in your control, that you can do to just like get crossed something off your to do list there, your imaginary to do list Because then you come home and maybe you've had a bad day and then your bed is a messaging, like what the hell? You know, snake your bedroom and it takes three minutes and it feels so much better, you know? Yeah, I totally get where you're coming from.

[00:20:53] spk_1: Yeah, Yeah, because because really, like even that too, you know, like for sure, it feels like uh basically what I'm saying, it's just that when, like you were describing when you're ready to go to bed and you go in there if your beds all jacked up, you know, and whatever, and not made like that, I feel like there's a more uh negatively impactful, you can just really feel that, I feel like anybody can be aware of that tangibly negative feeling when you're like, you know, like it's so much more anger when you're having to tuck the fitted sheet underneath the corner of the bed, you know when you're trying to go to sleep than uh than if it's just fresh and ready and just like, come to me, you know, like uh

[00:21:36] spk_0: I've talked to people that have said it's it's just they don't make their bed because they can just crawl in it and I'm like, no, like, I don't want to crawl into, like, I want to pull the sheets back, they don't have to be freshly washed or anything, but like pull the sheets back and crawl in that way. That's just so much, I don't know. Yeah, there's nothing about it. So, I mean, I think just little things like that, if you can defeat all those little things in a day, shave your head, make your bed. I mean, I don't know, like white when you're done cooking, right? So don't leave the mess for tomorrow. There's all those little things that take five minutes, but at the time you're like, I'm drained and I don't want to do it. But if you can do those throughout the day, you're going to be a much more happy person.

[00:22:19] spk_1: Yeah, exactly. Because yeah, because it takes more energy to like think about it and be like, oh, I gotta clean the gunners now too, you know, I gotta make the congress and it's just like, yeah, exactly. It's yeah, it's really interesting. Yeah. Little but it does, it does feel like, you know the hacking kind of stuff and it's not, you're not hacking anything, you're just making your bed. But it really is. It's a little bit of you're

[00:22:40] spk_0: just doing it and then you should do it instead of putting it all off. Or instead of like you make breakfast and you leave the pans out and you leave your plate and you don't do anything with it. You don't make your bed in the morning, you're doing all this because you're like, I don't have to get to work even though each thing would only take five minutes. You do all this. You do all this yeah you leave some empty cans out um and then you run to work and then you come back from work and then you do it all at once which takes an hour and then you hate yourself. You're like now I have to make my bed, I have to clean the counter. I don't have to scrape all this all the food that's like now crusted on my plate. And I have to basically like get a chisel to get it off and then you know instead of just doing it right when it happens Which would take 3-5 minutes each time you won't even really notice. It's not like it's gonna make you late for work but it's definitely going to upset you when you get home.

[00:23:29] spk_1: Yeah. Yeah

[00:23:30] spk_0: that's I think that's I think you have a good point. And also um which smoothly shaved head which I don't have right now uh feels fantastic.

[00:23:40] spk_1: Yeah

[00:23:41] spk_0: I know I have like only a little like like you can tell I shaved it yesterday morning but I can tell the difference like far as even the heat it's nuts

[00:23:51] spk_1: totally

[00:23:52] spk_0: shaved head with the heat and even like a days worth of growth, totally different story.

[00:23:57] spk_1: Yeah for sure and in the winter time to shaved head keeps you cap on like a completely upside down and it would just be my, that would be staying right on. So yeah, it's like

[00:24:10] spk_0: the steam rising up. Yeah, that's right.

[00:24:14] spk_1: Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah but all those little things, man. Yeah, I really uh yeah like another one just the same same kind of deal is like the mixture of some good music and work out like you said, you know like uh like that uh even for the shortest period of time, like, like when I learned that it didn't need to be, I didn't need to feel bad about like, oh no, I ran out of time now I only have 15 minutes. It's not even worth it to work out is what it would feel like. And then there have been plenty of times I'm like whatever I can do, I can do stuff in 15 minutes. And those have been like, you know, some of the most satisfying, at least workouts that I've done because of the thought after where I've been like, word I still worked out, it wasn't forever, but I still, you know, I worked with my scenario and uh yeah, that always really makes me feel good to, you know better to and and the alternative is that if I would have been like, oh I don't have any time to work out now, I'm gonna be late for my other thing, then I would do that thing and I would just be thinking about how I didn't work out, but the converse, you know, the whatever the other side of it if if I did work out and then I do the thing, I'm like, oh well look at that, you know, like I got it all in there and so yeah, I just think yeah, figuring out how to do those little things, like being okay with doing little things too sometimes, you know? So yeah,

[00:25:33] spk_0: workouts are what keep me saying in life man workout, throw my earbuds into work out, but I don't know if you knew, I'm pretty sure I told you at some point, but you know, for like around like four years that I met you somewhere in between, I only did 35 minute workouts. That's it

[00:25:50] spk_1: really? I don't think I did not

[00:25:52] spk_0: Ever did 35 minute workouts. I always did him over lunch at work or over lunch at work. Yeah and I would do a 35 minute workouts. I cross street, do a 35 minute workout, get back to work almost almost exclusively. But I do I do um what do they say? It's not, it's where you knew back to, back to, back, back to back to back. So I do I do like to 2 to 4 workouts and then I take a 30 to 1 30 seconds one minute break and then I do uh I still do actually I can't think of the name of it. It's stupid that I can't think of it. I'll think of it. Um This is gonna drive me nuts. You know what I'm talking about though? It's it's just it's just pretty do like multiple things back to back and then you take a break.

[00:26:37] spk_1: He's talking about super sets. Her. No no no I don't know

[00:26:43] spk_0: I'll think of it, I'll put it in the show and I think you guys care. But anyway so I do that but even today I'll go I'll go to the gym and within half an hour there will be people there before me and I will do more and a half an hour. Then they will do in an hour and a half because they do one set and they sit there and text on their phones for two minutes and then do the second set or their second rep Whatever, you know? So they're doing sets of three and we'll take them 10 minutes to do a set of three bench presses and I do bench press. Uh maybe uh fly and then maybe a something something with my triceps and I'll do that 123 and then I'll take a 32nd break and I'll do it again and they've just done one set. Not even

[00:27:34] spk_1: right. I mean it's crazy to me. Yeah.

[00:27:37] spk_0: So um so yes, you can get so much done in 20 minutes. I will get 24 um Sets down in 30 minutes. Yeah. You know, easy, easy because I'd never break. I just keep going. I don't look at my phone rather than to change the song and I just keep going so you can get so much done in 15 minutes to your point. I can have a killer workout in 15 minutes. You just have to keep going. It's going to actually, it's almost like High intensity interval training. Yeah, just keep going. But those 15 minutes will kick your butt man

[00:28:15] spk_1: And it's easier to do because you know how short 15 minutes is. You know like you you know like even 30, 30 minutes. You know like most of the classes that I teach, the virtual ones are about 30 minutes and I love doing that because like Uh you don't have it's gone, it's gone and done so quickly, you know? And it's like it's like I didn't even 15 minutes, you can have that much time to think about how much it sucks, you know? You're just keep going, you know, or whatever and then you're done and so yeah, there's just just yeah, working with what you've got, you know, is

[00:28:51] spk_0: Doable that engine. But 15 minute work though. You can work magic in 15 minutes. If you worked out 15 minutes every day hard, You would see a huge difference. You just work out hard for those 15 minutes.

[00:29:06] spk_1: Yeah. And just being purposeful, like knowing what's going on. Yeah. Yeah. But but Uh that is another thing, you know, not to make it seem like we're too far off on a tangent, like just a little bit, but it's all good, right? Like just talking about the things that make us feel better and I feel like the theme is mostly like that they are simple. They're so simple. Like little little little simple things can really, really do a lot to feel better. Like cook or shave your head or go nuts for 15 minutes, you

[00:29:34] spk_0: know? Water became, Yeah, you're right. Yeah. Well I thought you were going to say something else. I thought you had another thing. You know, I mean you're just talking about, we're talking about. It's like, oh, you have another another small thing that makes you feel

[00:29:47] spk_1: well, I'm sure you can think about it. Yeah,

[00:29:50] spk_0: that's totally But yeah, we have we have probably drained the time on this one to you I think I think very good conversations. So

[00:29:59] spk_1: Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Yeah, man.

[00:30:03] spk_0: All right, well sign us out, my friend.

[00:30:07] spk_1: Yeah. Well, uh thanks for listening to pay attention to the small things. Right? That's the takeaway I think. Pay attention this fault. Is there anything else you got?

[00:30:17] spk_0: Don't don't I was gonna piggyback on that and just say do do what makes you feel good, even if even if other people don't do it to make them feel good or things that you avoid to feel good.

[00:30:31] spk_1: Yeah. Yeah, exactly. You do.

[00:30:33] spk_0: You do you?

[00:30:35] spk_1: Exactly. Well, thanks for joining us, everybody. Uh huh. We'll see you all next time.

[00:30:43] spk_0: See you.