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Life Beyond The Numbers

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Are you curious about having a more fulfilling work-life? Do you believe in putting people first and in purpose; not profit at any cost? If so, this podcast is for you. We place a lens on the human side of work-life.

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#84 Sibling Special - Siun, Alan and Susan

April 19, 2022 05:30 - 51 minutes - 38.8 MB

"It's so exciting to have my two amazing siblings here to sit down and talk about something that we've talked about. We have had conversations over the years about Aoife and about how it was to have a sister like Aoife. But I feel really honoured that I can sit down with you two here now and talk about her life and about our lives with her and share with other people in the hope that other people would benefit from hearing this or maybe just be interested in hearing it." Siun Creedon Prochaz...

#83 The Impact of Change - Dr. Susanne Evans

April 12, 2022 07:54 - 49 minutes - 36.7 MB

"...helping people think about the impact of change on people. And a big part of it is around people feeling secure, people feeling that they understand the impact that this is going to have on them, on their relationships. Uncertainty, because uncertainty is a really hard thing for people to deal with. And I think a big part of fear of change, resistance of change are those questions about what's in it for me?" Dr Susanne Evans   Dr Susanne Evans and I talk about organisational change. In...

#82 An Edge-Walker - Nat Hunter

April 05, 2022 06:00 - 48 minutes - 35.5 MB

"Trying to describe myself has always been really hard. I've never fitted into anything. Someone described me as an edge-walker the other day. And I thought, oh my God, that's the first time anyone's put me into a category that I can relate to." Nat Hunter   Nat Hunter always felt pigeon-holed, like she could only bring a small sliver of herself to work and so she co-founded her own design company, Airside in 1999. We talk about their approach: what happens if you make work somewhere where...

#81 Help Others - Mason Cosby

March 29, 2022 05:39 - 50 minutes - 38.7 MB

"When you're a professional that has a mortgage and a family, the time to help is significantly less. To put it bluntly, you have to figure out how you can help others that makes sense within the context that you are." Mason Cosby.    Mason Cosby was laid off at the beginning of the pandemic. A month earlier he got engaged and bought a house. He spent the next four months on the couch applying for jobs. And we talk about how since then he has done everything in his power to help others avo...

#80 Why Do I Have To Fake It? Greta Solomon

March 22, 2022 05:37 - 44 minutes - 33.6 MB

"And it was a massive learning because I thought, why do I have to fake it? Why do I have to pretend that I'm okay? And I think that point comes to many of us at some point. It came to me really early, I was like 21. It came super early that I'm not going to fake it at work." Greta Solomon   Greta Solomon and I talk about self-expression. We talk about how to express ourselves at work so we get our message across, the importance of being our real self and not faking it to fit in, and how ...

#79 Being Human - Various

March 15, 2022 05:24 - 39 minutes - 28.1 MB

"Happiness comes from a wide variety of different sources. And actually happiness is not the one single thing that we should pursue because part of being human is the whole world of emotion and feelings. And all of them are valid." Gavin Andrews   Being Human is a compilation, an exploration of the mind-body connection. The body is a source of wisdom and intelligence that is often untapped. We have a tendency to rely on our mental intelligence, our rational thought and not our emotional se...

#79 Being Human

March 15, 2022 05:24 - 39 minutes - 28.1 MB

"Happiness comes from a wide variety of different sources. And actually happiness is not the one single thing that we should pursue because part of being human is the whole world of emotion and feelings. And all of them are valid." Gavin Andrews   Being Human is a compilation, an exploration of the mind-body connection. The body is a source of wisdom and intelligence that is often untapped. We have a tendency to rely on our  mental intelligence, our rational thought and not our emotional s...

#78 It’s All About Relationships - Travis L Scott

March 08, 2022 06:35 - 44 minutes - 41.1 MB

"It's about relationships. Bottom line, build relationships. Not just when you need to. I think the worst mistake people make is when they think of networking and using something like LinkedIn, they wait until they're desperate." "And that desperation comes through, right." "So I would say it's all about relationships." Travis L Scott.   Travis L Scott is a former recruiter who is annoyed by recruiters. He believes the way companies hire is broken and we talk about how transactional recru...

#77 On a Daily Basis - Helen Joy

March 01, 2022 06:45 - 54 minutes - 38.5 MB

"We might have an idea of the kind of manager we want to be. But how often do we intentionally focus on that on a daily basis?" Helen Joy  In this episode Helen Joy and I go in-depth into three areas that impact how we show up, lead and manage, on a daily basis, especially if we are new to the role or new to an organisation.  What people forget first or need to be reminded of first is they're already doing a lot of the really positive, great work around nurturing, supporting, and developi...

#76 Limitless - Emma O’Brien

February 22, 2022 07:10 - 50 minutes - 38.1 MB

"I was in a career corner .... I'd painted myself into it and I didn't know how to get out. And I was having those thoughts that in my early 30s you know, “that's it, I'm ruined” .... now I'm thinking I can continue to change and evolve and do so many different things with my life and my career. It's limitless." Emma O'Brien   Emma O'Brien and I talk about how our minds work and respond to us and how our beliefs are created by us. Emmas uses a great example of how a bad experience in some...

#75 Guinness & Tea - John Collins

February 15, 2022 16:46 - 50 minutes - 36.9 MB

"...you ask potential candidates who are joining your organisation, what are their intrinsic motivations and 80-90% of the time, they will say, I want to be part of an organisation that is making a positive difference in the world."  John Collins   John Collins a 'walking stereotype' (Irish, red-hair and worked for Guinness) takes us on a journey from Dublin to Asia Pacific to Africa and around the UK. He believes that great people, serving a great purpose make great organisations. He shar...

#75 Guinness & Tea - John Collins (From the Archives)

February 15, 2022 16:46 - 50 minutes - 36.9 MB

"...you ask potential candidates who are joining your organisation, what are their intrinsic motivations and 80-90% of the time, they will say, I want to be part of an organisation that is making a positive difference in the world."  John Collins   John Collins a 'walking stereotype' (Irish, red-hair and worked for Guinness) takes us on a journey from Dublin to Asia Pacific to Africa and around the UK. He believes that great people, serving a great purpose make great organisations. He shar...

#74 A Portfolio - Trevor O’Hara

February 01, 2022 06:32 - 43 minutes - 31.6 MB

"Freedom for me .... is the ability to build a portfolio .... a portfolio of experiences, a portfolio of projects rather than just one single life path, life career." Trevor O'Hara   During the pandemic Trevor O'Hara looked at his own life and asked himself if he wanted to spend the rest of it on a plane and decided he was ready for a change. So he took his side gigs and turned them into revenue streams and built a portfolio. As a society we've been taught to aim high and he says the probl...

#73 Meaningfully Unique - Philip Pozzo di Borgo-Oliver

January 25, 2022 06:31 - 48 minutes - 39.7 MB

"Innovation …. it's going to be meaningfully unique .... new and different. And new and different means people are going to be getting ‘that sounds crazy’, ‘that sounds mad’, ‘we can't do that’.… How we attend to this question of fear … how we encourage learning, how we fuel collaboration these are jobs of the leader and a leader that has humility. And …. this is in the deep tissue of leading. It's the fabric of leadership. It's what makes a leader really a leader in my view, at least in the...

#72 Element of Surprise - Ella Clark

January 18, 2022 06:33 - 39 minutes - 28.7 MB

"I kept reading about languishing and it occurred to me that we were missing the element of surprise..... surprise adds that sort of element of surprise, but it does more than that. It takes your brain on a little journey .... it fires you up." Ella Clark   Ella Clark and I talk about the element of surprise and how life can present us with many surprises, some are a delight and some might be unwanted. We speak about ways of reframing some of those unwanted surprises - being made redundan...

#71 Your True Self - Jonathan de Potter

January 11, 2022 06:35 - 45 minutes - 35 MB

"This is a tool to amplify your sensitivity to some of those lower-level energies that might be keeping you away from your true self." Jonathan de Potter   Jonathan de Potter is the founder of Behold Retreats and in this episode we talk about the benefits of unpacking and exploring our inner world in a way that begins to give us a very different perspective in the relationship between self and the outer world. Jonathan and I chat about psychedelics or plant medicine. Psychedelics he says i...

#70 Hidden Gems from 2021

January 04, 2022 06:37 - 44 minutes - 34.6 MB

Happy New Year. Welcome to 2022 and episode 70 of Life Beyond the Numbers - a compilation episode from some of the least downloaded episodes of 2021 ... or the hidden gems from 2021   Lisa LLoyd introduces us to the difference between Imagination and Thinking (minute 4) Alison Jones talks about thinking, deep thinking and reflective thinking (minute 6) Lisa LLoyd covers our brain and pattern recognition (minute 13) Glin Bayley illustrates pattern recognition and writing from the heart (...

#69 What Works for You - Alyn Mitlyng

December 21, 2021 06:40 - 45 minutes - 34.1 MB

"Figure out what works for you. Whether it be, your physical health, your nutritional health, your financial health, figure out what works for you." Alyn Mitlyng   Alyn Mitlyng has two rules in life 'Modification and Moderation'. And we talk about her approach to figuring out how to define and achieve personal goals by modifying conventional rules and approaches to fit your personal preferences and motivation style. Alyn wrote a book, Dirty Goals, to fully explore personal goals. She expla...

#68 Extreme Experiences - Anna Haslock

December 14, 2021 07:01 - 50 minutes - 38.4 MB

"I think part of his personality and a lot of our riders' personalities is they need to test themselves like this. They need to push their boundaries. And try these extreme experiences and the rewards that they get very important to them, life affirming to them." Anna Haslock   Content Warning: Topics discussed in this episode include a fatal road collision and rape (c. min 22-29). Some listeners might find the content disturbing. If anything does impact you while listening to this episode...

#67 Better Understanding - Matt Phelan

December 07, 2021 07:14 - 45 minutes - 33 MB

"If you can measure it, you can manage it. I used to say that for years. And  now I say if you can measure it, you can better understand it. If you can better understand it, you can make better decisions." Matt Phelan.    Matt Phelan, co-founder of the Happiness Index, and I talk about how The Happiness Index provides organisations with an index of people's emotions. Emotions are data points that give you a better understanding of how your people feel so you can make better decisions. Mat...

#66 Lift the Lid - Amantha King

November 30, 2021 06:58 - 52 minutes - 40.1 MB

"So that's what I wanted to do. I wanted to lift the lid on it. It's not just me, it's my friends. I want it for our daughters. That's what I want it for more than anything." Amantha King.    Amantha King and I talk about menopause. Every woman deserves the right to a fulfilling life and she says hands down we know the number one thing that improves menopause is actually women's awareness going into it. Amantha talks us through the phases of menopause from peri to post. We talk about some ...

#65 Leadership Reinvented

November 23, 2021 07:17 - 40 minutes - 30.8 MB

The theme of International Leadership Week (#ILW21) is Leadership Reinvented. What does reinvented leadership look like?  Many guests on this podcast share their views on leadership and their experiences of leadership. This week I've compiled some excerpts from different episodes, including an intro about what reinvented leadership might mean.  The estimated start times for each of the segments is: 8:30 Helen Joy on workplace engagement from Episode 6, Learning How to Manage 9:40 Gib Bul...

#65 Leadership Reinvented - Special

November 23, 2021 07:17 - 40 minutes - 30.8 MB

The theme of International Leadership Week (#ILW21) is Leadership Reinvented. What does reinvented leadership look like?  Many guests on this podcast share their views on leadership and their experiences of leadership. This week I've compiled some excerpts from different episodes, including an intro about what reinvented leadership might mean.  The estimated start times for each of the segments is: 8:30 Helen Joy on workplace engagement from Episode 6, Learning How to Manage 9:40 Gib Bul...

#64 Being Yourself - Eamon FitzGerald

November 09, 2021 07:26 - 41 minutes - 30.7 MB

"As it turns out being authentically me means more sales when it comes to marketing and everything. So that was the big lesson I learned early on. It took a very tough learning experience. But that sense of being yourself for all its flaws and all its good things as well that was a huge learning for me." Eamon FitzGerald.   Eamon FitzGerald and I talk about wine. Eamon has a passion for connecting great wine makers with people who appreciate their wine and loves to share the winemaker's st...

#63 A Quest - Spyros Gousetis

November 02, 2021 05:38 - 40 minutes - 32.8 MB

"We are both in a quest. We are partners in this quest, both the coach and the coachee, and when we have this quest it is something that unites us." Spyros Gousetis.    Spyros Gousetis and I talk about becoming the best version of ourselves. Becoming the best human being that we can be - personally and professionally. Spyros compares this journey to a virtual computer game - as we learn we go up a level. We learn skills and competencies but we also have to learn about ourselves, our inner ...

#62 Acceptance - Sarah Wells

October 26, 2021 07:00 - 39 minutes - 29.1 MB

"And I think acceptance, real acceptance, for me is like: today, where am I? In a week or a month it may be better or worse, but today, how am I am?" Sarah Wells.   Sarah Wells became a master at putting her head down, getting on with things and assuming everything would be ok. This worked until it didn't. After her first child was born Sarah received a diagnosis of a rare and chronic condition. On her return to work her coping mechanisms no longer served her. She left work, had another ch...

#61 Imagination - Lisa LLoyd

October 19, 2021 06:01 - 37 minutes - 28.5 MB

"So when we use our imagination well the possibilities are endless." Lisa LLoyd   Lisa LLoyd believes our imagination is our most misused resource, an innate resource that is so important for us. We delve into all things imagination and Lisa explains how our imagination can help to inform thinking or can be a barrier to that thinking depending on the state of our emotional arousal. Lisa talks us through what goes on in our brains when we enter a state of high emotional arousal and introdu...

#60 Leadership - Caroline Mabon

October 12, 2021 06:37 - 43 minutes - 30.7 MB

"...it's that balance of being really clear with your purpose and having this people centric style that actually brings out the best in the people around you." Caroline Mabon   Caroline Mabon and I talk about leadership. Caroline has been inspired by Bob Chapman who describes leadership "as the stewardship of lives entrusted to you." And we probe this a little covering how we need to have the skills and self-understanding to know that leadership isn't just something that you fall into beca...

#59 Weird & Wonderful - Lisa Milnor

October 05, 2021 06:05 - 55 minutes - 41.3 MB

"I love uncertainty. But most people don't. There's this kind of innate thing about humans that we want to be in control. We like to think we're in control. We like certainty. And if nothing else the pandemic has shown us that life is totally unpredictable and uncertain. And it is moment by moment." Lisa Milnor    Lisa Milnor began her career immersed in numbers. She talks about how at age 40 she began to wonder what else was out there. She left her FD role and ran a ski chalet for three y...

#58 Making Connections - Alison Jones

September 21, 2021 05:57 - 36 minutes - 27.1 MB

"So yeah, that sense of making connections, which your brain does all the time. And writing enables you to capture that." Alison Jones   Alison Jones and I talk about writing as a way to think. Thinking might seem like a luxury that many of us don't have time to do but Alison makes a case for lightweight, affordable and accessible writing as a thinking tool - all you need is six minutes and a big scruffy A4 pad. Alison shares some techniques such as free-writing and mind-mapping and we ch...

#57 Beyond the Numbers - Susan Ni Chriodain

September 14, 2021 05:56 - 45 minutes - 34.8 MB

"And my vision is that that 80 percent number can reduce and more people are engaged in the workplace and enjoy what they do." Susan Ni Chriodain   Life Beyond the Numbers was launched in Sept 2020. And for my 1st anniversary someone special, my Dad, interviewed me! I spent a week in Dingle, my home town in Ireland, in late August 2021 and we talked lots about my work, past and present as well as my future vision - so we thought, why not record an episode! Here it is. I hope you enjoy it. ...

#56 Gut Health - Caroline Peyton

September 07, 2021 05:42 - 46 minutes - 34.4 MB

"Many of us are beginning to learn today just how important it is to know what is going on in our gut. And that gut health is important to our overall health." Caroline Peyton   Caroline Peyton has an holistic approach to health and wellbeing. In this episode we start out chatting about how our gut is invisible and we tend to ignore it unless there is a problem. However, making sure that what goes into our gut, how it survives and thrives in there or doesn't and the impact of that on our ...

#55 Focus on Play - Pauline McNulty

August 10, 2021 05:30 - 42 minutes - 31.9 MB

"as adults we've put play and work in opposition and that's another myth." Pauline McNulty   Pauline McNulty prioritised career progression above everything else in her life until about 18 months into a role as Chief Risk Officer. The role was meaningful and important but something wasn't working for her. She got really curious about what was motivating for her and came across an article about three primary intrinsic motivators - potential, purpose and play. And she says the way they talke...

#54 You're Not Alone - Louise McMilan

August 03, 2021 05:40 - 44 minutes - 33.6 MB

"If someone can take one thing away from what I've said that's going to help them then I'm happy whether that's the mental health side or cancer side." Louise McMilan.   Louise McMilan took a career break to beat cancer. Her story is raw and she shares it openly and honestly. But there is more. As she says her cancer is the thing that really changed her own viewpoint on herself. For many years she thought she was wired wrong. She didn't want anybody else to feel what she felt about herself...

#53 Start With You - Nikki Hill

July 27, 2021 05:53 - 40 minutes - 29.6 MB

"There's only one person who's truly, truly in control of our lives and it's ourselves and it's okay to spend some time focusing on what's important to us." Nikki Hill.   This episode is full of ways to enhance self-awareness. We talk about discovering our boundaries, the things that matter to us, as a way to give ourselves a sense of calm, peace, enabling us to enjoy our life and have the energy we need. When we communicate our boundaries they don't have to be explained or justified. We a...

#52 Everything's Okay - Alan Creedon

July 20, 2021 06:12 - 43 minutes - 34.2 MB

"Everything's okay. And if everything's okay, what's the problem? And actually, it's a very fulfilling place to be; everything's okay." Alan Creedon.   If you ever feel tortured by your own thoughts this episode is for you as Alan Creedon and I delve into talking about our minds in a world of 'shoulds' and 'doing'. Alan explains how to find stillness, connections, how to be and how to use your mind and not be used by it. Alan explains what mindfulness is and the benefits of mindfulness fro...

#51 One to Many - Kaveh Sadeghian

July 13, 2021 06:00 - 40 minutes - 31.7 MB

"We always say: to design for many, you have to design for some and to design for some, you have to design for one." Kaveh Sadeghian.   Kaveh Sadeghian would love to hand over a series of beliefs and systems to the next generation that might undo some of the industrial era and set them up with a little bit more success in terms of integrating their purpose and themselves and their work. We talk about how a systems and scale approach is not the only one and that he says solutions will move ...

#50 A Journey - Kiki Kirby

July 06, 2021 06:00 - 41 minutes - 31 MB

"We've got to take ownership of our leadership with our people because we're leading people." Kiki Kirby   People are at the heart of what Kiki does. As this episode was recorded at the beginning of summer (UK) Kiki and I kick off chatting about the importance of taking rest - not just during the summer but on a daily basis. Kiki has overcome many things in life - her mother died when she was 13, she suffered from burnout at work and is a cancer survivor. In this episode she shares some refle...

#49 A Sense of Belonging - Jenny Ashmore

June 29, 2021 06:00 - 41 minutes - 31.3 MB

"Teams are built on how tense moments are handled." Jenny Ashmore   Jenny Ashmore and I chat about the similarities between business and sports especially when it comes to high-performance. Jenny feels that there are some profound techniques we can learn from sport that can easily translate into the workplace - how goals are set, fostering a sense of belonging, dealing with tensions and stress and setting team standards. Safety and feeling safe as humans, individually and as part of a team...

#48 Baby Steps - Rebecca Cheetham

June 22, 2021 06:00 - 44 minutes - 33.5 MB

"It's going to be hard to form a habit, but once you do it becomes non-negotiable and that shifts things for you. But like you said, baby steps, baby steps, add in small little things everyday." Rebecca Cheetham.   Can you live a life where you feel good about it? Can you wake up in the morning and feel positive about what you're going to do that day? Can you build strong relationships? Can you enjoy yourself? Rebecca and I chat about what we might believe we should do and the choices we ...

#47 Social Glue - Steve Haines

June 15, 2021 05:00 - 43 minutes - 33 MB

"So, I want you to be a sommelier to your body!  But to do that we have to practice. You start with really fundamentals. How do I know what joy is?" Steve Haines.   Steve's fourth book, Touch is Really Strange, was released in April 2021. Steve explains the science of touch. We talk about how in social groups where there's an equality touch is supportive and helps the process of working as a team and clearly in work situations that can be useful. Steve says we can rediscover our sense of s...

#46 Being Bold - Lọ́lá Béjidé

June 08, 2021 05:30 - 52 minutes - 40 MB

"It's not about where you start. It's about the potential you show others that will determined where you finish." Lọ́lá Béjidé   Lọ́lá is an early career strategist and we talk about how, as you navigate your career, do you figure out the best way to step up and stand out with your skills, talents, potential, and you demonstrate it all. We cover the difference between culture fit and culture add, promoting diversity, moving from 'fantasy land' to 'reality land' and how to know as a manager...

#45 Wellbeing Toolbox - Nicholas Jemetta

June 01, 2021 05:30 - 40 minutes - 30.1 MB

"...understanding your strengths and also understanding other people's strengths is the key to effective communication, effective relationships and avoiding some of the conflict that can happen, especially in the workplace..." Nicholas Jemetta.   Nicholas Jemetta is merging his two worlds of digital technology geekery and mental health and wellbeing. In 2018 he shared his mental health story and it awakened something in him. He took that energy into the workplace and started to lobby for c...

#45 Wellbeing Toolbox

June 01, 2021 05:30 - 40 minutes - 30.1 MB

"...understanding your strengths and also understanding other people's strengths is the key to effective communication, effective relationships and avoiding some of the conflict that can happen, especially in the workplace..." Nicholas Jemetta.   Nicholas Jemetta is merging his two worlds of digital technology geekery and mental health and wellbeing. In 2018 he shared his mental health story and it awakened something in him. He took that energy into the workplace and started to lobby for c...

#44 Preparation & Practice - Carlos Gimeno

May 25, 2021 05:30 - 45 minutes - 35.9 MB

"I think that's a key component of public speaking, a key component of communication and a key component of confidence because the more you listen in the better your answers and your statements become the more powerful and influential and respected you become." Carlos Gimeno.    Carlos Gimeno thinks there are two things that everyone should know about before they join the workplace, yet no school or university teaches them, one is financial literacy and the other is public speaking skills....

#43 Putting People First - Luke Kyte

May 18, 2021 06:01 - 46 minutes - 34.3 MB

"And I know those results have really just materialised from that dynamic of putting people first." Luke Kyte.    Those results include: Team retention: 97% team retention over the last two years.  Revenue & profit: increased 40% and 60% respectively  Annual leave: Since the introduction of unlimited holiday, annual leave has increased an average of 37% in the team  Sickness: per person has dropped to 0.46 days a year – the UK ave is 4.1. This demonstrates the effectiveness of policies th...

#42 Metamorphosis - John Shinnick

May 11, 2021 06:00 - 43 minutes - 34 MB

"And I'm interested, fascinated by, both how businesses work and how people work in them. And it's great to see things move and to see some things go back two steps before they go forward". John Shinnick.    John Shinnick dropped out of university to get away from accounting. He wanted to work with people - but he found his way back to accountancy after a cousin of his told him: "Numbers don't make decisions. People do." His cousin also said he would spend most of his time dealing with people...

#41 Workplace Compilation - Various

May 04, 2021 06:00 - 34 minutes - 26.3 MB

This week I've collated some stories related to the workplace from episodes that went out between January and April 2021.  First up is Kevin Ashley, #32 Serial Entrepreneur, who shares his secret to building a successful business Next Gib Bulloch, #28 Breakthrough, talks about dignity at work and shares a cautionary tale Next Megan Haupt, #25 Your Career Story, shares her unique perspective on how to overcome workplace horror stories Next Glin Bayley, #39 H.E.A.R.T., speaks about the wor...

#40 ....and Breathe

April 27, 2021 06:04 - 35 minutes - 24.7 MB

Do you ever think about your breath or breathing?  Do you notice when it quickens or slows?   This week's episode is a little different as we share three breathing techniques kindly prepared for us by Gavin Andrews, MD of HeartMath UK. Gavin was a guest a couple of weeks ago, episode #38. There is a short bit for me first on my own awareness of breath and then I briefly introduce the three techniques. But Gavin provides an intro to each during the recording also.  The three techniques in ...

#39 H.E.A.R.T. - Glin Bayley

April 20, 2021 05:08 - 52 minutes - 41 MB

"I think if we did ask each other: Does what you do make you happy? It does stop someone in their tracks to go well, why am I pursuing a certain path? Is this the right reason for me to pursue it? Because I think we're much better in delivering our gifts and talents when we're in a space of happiness and joy." Glin Bayley.   Glin Bayley went into accounting and finance because it was something she was really good at it. Over time she began to recognise that finance didn't feed her soul. A ...

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