Presented and produced by Seán Delaney


Theme tune by David Vesey


On this week's programme I bring you the second part of my interview with Paul O'Donnell, Principal of St. Patrick's National School in Slane. Among the topics we discuss on this week's programme are:

His work with the CPSMA
Numbers applying for principalship
Principals acting as gatekeepers
Challenges of being a principal with full teaching duties
What schools are for (and a sense of place)
What inspires him
Being outdoors in poor weather
Outdoor education in the United States
Questions to ask yourself before applying for principalship
Favourite book, writer

Among the books he recommends are The Art of Thinking Clearly by Rolf Dobelli and Ego is the Enemy by Ryan Holiday on leadership and Messy Maths by Juliet Robertson. He follows Tom Bennett (@tombennett71) and Pasi Sahlberg (@pasi_sahlberg) on Twitter.