Personality Influences Eating

Personality Influences Eating with Health Boss Jessie Zaylia

In 2018, I chose to pivot from helping law clients succeed in thier legal matters to helping desk-job professionals like you succeed in their weight-loss goals. I have had clients in the U.S. as well as the UK and they have all lost excess weight with zero exercises.

One client's spouse even jumped on board because my methods were working so well for my client that her husband concluded, "I might as well benefit, too!" Both lost the excess weight, and neither were placed on a workout plan. Is exercise healthy for you? Yes! But the idea that you can't lose weight if you're not exercising is a BS narrative that is not serving you!

Regardless of what you've been taught, you can shed excess body fat without working out, counting calories, or losing energy. I have done it, and I don't have "special" genes. I've helped others do it; they're not biologically special either.

The fact is that there are many ways to lose weight. Choosing methods that work for you is where I can help.

Schooling and Research

2004 - began publishing peer-reviewed articles and presenting research across the U.S. 2006 - earned BA magna cum laude; awarded by my department as the Outstanding Graduate of my cohort 2010 - graduated from law school (University of San Diego) & began legal career; published law journal article about meat production, legislation, and health + environmental impacts 2014 - voted in as a law partner 2016 - started researching more about nutrition and the law in relation to food (politics, lobbying, etc. are all affecting our lives every day in a multi-layered fashion) 2017 - earned my certificate in plant-based nutrition (Cornell) 2018 - left law firm; started weight-loss coaching for desk-job professionals 2019 - turned 40 and began competing in fitness competitions (so far, winning 2 medals and 1 trophy in natural, drug-free federation

www.jessiezaylia.com

www.feedingfatty.com

Full Transcript Below

Roy (00:03):

Good afternoon and welcome to the feeding fatty podcast. I'm Roy and Terry. Hey, today we have an awesome guest with us. We're going to just jump right into it, Jesse. Zalia. She is the health boss and she has, um, she's a former lawyer who is now a weight loss coach and helping professionals, uh, get fit without exercise. And so they can build up their confidence. And, um, anyway, we're interested to talk to you Jesse and welcome to the show.

Jessie (00:34):

Hi there, Roy and Terry, thank you so much for having me. It is an honor.

Roy (00:40):

Well, thanks for taking time out of your day to be here. So I guess, uh, tell us a little bit about yourself. How did you go from a lawyer to a weight loss coach?

Jessie (00:50):

Definitely an atypical journey. You don't see that ever. Uh, well, I was a work injury lawyer and I still am technically, uh, I still do, would have my bar card and I have a couple of, of remaining cases that I just see after just to make sure that those clients don't have any issues with, um, insurance carrier or whatever. But I, I was a partner at a law firm and I left that law firm to dive into being a weight loss coach. And it really started, I guess, with a lot of, uh, a lot of journeys that starts personally when I was a partner at the law firm, uh, I worked an insane amount of hours, so many hours. And even before I was partner, the law firm, I was at, it was counter to how law firms are quote unquote, supposed to go. It's supposed to be that the higher up the food chain you go, the more relaxed you get to be.

Jessie (01:59):

That was not the case with my prior law firm. The hierarchy went harder and harder. You had to work all. And, uh, that was very stressful. I, um, I was getting very little sleep. I was getting probably on average, about three to four hours every night. Um, my husband nearly called an intervention on me cause I want to get up on the couch with my laptop and around three or four in the morning, I'd fall asleep with my laptop open. You're kind of like a soggy you'd get up around there's seven and see me positioned that way. You know, it was affecting everything. It was awful. And over the course of time, over a period of years, the just slowly came on and came on and came on without me really too much realizing it. Um, I, I didn't have time to go to a gym or anything like that. And so just the idea of even losing weight, it just, I sort of put it in the back of my mind and I didn't truly realize that I was even gaining this weight until June of 2016 at a very specific experience. I was stressed out to the limit. We had a firm managing partner who was absolutely terrible at that time. And I remember going home early, uh, waiting on the couch for my husband to come home. And I said, we are going on vacation. It was not negotiable. This was a declaration.

Terry3 (03:32):

Right? Gosh, I wouldn't mess with it. Uh, so I,

Jessie (03:39):

It happened and we went on this vacation, the vacation and evolved swimwear,

Terry3 (03:46):

Oh, Oh, Oh

Jessie (03:49):

Me a bikini. And I remember being in the hotel room, putting on my bikini, looking in the mirror and not

Terry3 (03:58):

Experiencing what you should, you know, thoroughly

Jessie (04:00):

Would anticipate. I looked and I said,

Terry3 (04:03):

I was pretty good.

Jessie (04:08):

Then the photos came. So my husband, he's a photographer. And then we did some parasailing and whatever, and he would take home full photos and show me, and I'm thinking, what is up with your camera?

Terry3 (04:23):

Clean that lens off adding like 20 pounds. Oh my gosh.

Jessie (04:31):

Then when all the tour guides were taking photos and they were showing me like, Hey, would you like to buy these photos? They didn't because everything's digital now. Right. You can look at them ahead of time. And I didn't want any photos on his vacation. I was. And I thought like, not,

Terry3 (04:49):

It's not like all the cameras are broken. Like this

Jessie (04:51):

Was reality. I wasn't seeing reality. Now body dysmorphia happens usually in two different ways. And I, I don't want to be gendered about it. But what I see is that men tend to experience body dysmorphia and the way that I did they'll look at themselves and like,

Terry3 (05:08):

Yeah, yeah, yeah. When, when they might not be,

Jessie (05:14):

But, um, women at the office that women tend to look in the mirror and, you know, uh, think of themselves, um, as quote, unquote looking words, then they really do. Um, anyway, so I experienced that and this vacation that was supposed to be these stressing ended up being depressing. I didn't mean to make a rhyme just there, but

Terry3 (05:38):

You're a poet too, dang,

Jessie (05:41):

Um, to do something about it. And I, and I had to find something that did not involve exercise cause I couldn't take the time out of my day.

Roy (05:50):

Yeah. And it's funny, you mentioned that, uh, the sleep part, because that's one thing since we've started this, I'm a become a lot more aware of triggers and things, but sleep. That is definitely one of my big ones. And you know, I'm lucky I do things that I like to do. Uh, you know, I have a good job I love, and then I do this podcasting. And so it is easy for me to work, you know, from six or seven, eight in the morning until 10 at night, I can do that very easily, but later, yeah, maybe later, but then I'm not taking time to go to the gym. You know, like we've been slacking on walking and, you know, in all fairness, Terry's moms has been sick. And so she's been out and with her being out, I'm left to my own devices, which is sitting in front of the computer getting stuff done.

Roy (06:43):

But, uh, anyway, so I do understand that and the body dysmorphia, you know, like when, uh, we, we were out a couple of weekends ago, we went out to a friend's restaurant and we were taking some pictures and I said, you know, neck up neck up because I'm very aware of, you know, I don't want a body shop for sure, because it just, it makes me scream. But anyway, so, um, yeah, I definitely understand that the sleep and then, you know, the not being able to get, I would love to go to the gym. I mean, I would personally love to be an athlete because I could spend two, three hours every day in a gym and problem is it's just not feasible. And then if you add in 15, 20 minute drive and back, all of a sudden, even if you do a quick, a quick workout, I'm like I can be driving longer than working out. So, you know, we try to walk around the neighborhood, but anyway, at time, time, lack of sleep I'm with you with all of those.

Jessie (07:43):

I think a lot of people are in that exact same situation, Roy, and that's why I have a heart for, um, people who are, they're just hustling and they're working professionals, they're hustling and hustling now tends to mean behind the computer because we are such a, you know, when the post-industrial era, the service-based world. Um, and you know, what I really hated was when I would hear anybody or read on a thread, um, well, if you really wanted to lose weight, or if you were really serious, then you would make time to work out. You would make time to exercise. It is such a judgemental, um, an incorrect statement. Um, if people don't people who have that experience themselves, plopping it onto the lives of other people is not helpful in any way. So there had to be, you know, for me, I, when somebody would say that to me, I think, well, where am I supposed to carve out this extra time, pray, tell, right. Shall I carve it out of the three or four hours of sleep that I am getting? Because you can seriously die. If you go for a prolonged period without I had to quit sleep, you know? Um,

Roy (09:05):

The other thing is the, uh, uh, it's like adding insult to injury. I mean, just like me, I'm already, I feel bad enough. I'm overweight. So now go ahead and call me lazy, lazy on top.

Jessie (09:17):

Sure. I mean, what, why do people say these things? They don't realize how truly unhelpful they're being. Uh, they think that they're going to, you know, shed some sort of light on our experience. It's not true. And you know, and I don't even have children. Um, I have, I have rescue animals, plenty of them, but I do not even have the people that I knew who were in my same situation, but also had children. Where are they supposed to take the time out, away from their children. Now we've got COVID-19 people who have, you know, like, especially the young children around, what are they supposed to do? I mean, honestly, I don't, I don't even have an answer for that. So there has to be, there had to be a way I, I felt so hopeless and I went to YouTube because that's where you go.

Jessie (10:04):

When you feel I went to YouTube and I just started searching. And the only channels that I could find were either of people who were in their twenties and look, I'm not trying to judge anybody. Who's in their twenties, you're in your twenties, you're in your twenties. When they're trying to help people like me, how to lose weight, this is not going to work out, man. You know, we do not have the same lifestyle. We do not have the same, um, daily experience. And I can't, uh, we don't have the same metabolism. Let's face it. It's not happening. Right. So it, that it's not going to work out. But if the other type of, uh, sort of help that I saw, if people were my age, he were in a very fortunate situations where they could spend a lot of time in the gym. They were going like five, six days a week.

Jessie (11:01):

I did not have any of that. I was trying to find a weight loss solution that involved no extra time. Um, and that catered to people who were middle-aged and sedentary, because that was my job as a lawyer. You're yes, you travel. But when you travel, you're seated on a plane, you're seated in your car, you know, you're in the room, you're seated. Right. Uh, so it's just, it's a lot of sedentary work and I needed something that fit all three of those criteria. I couldn't find it. So I started a channel that would fit my own need, and then people just started following me. Wow,

Roy (11:40):

Awesome. Well, and you know, they say that, uh, setting is the new smoking and that's, what's going to, you know, eventually we've all quit smoking. So now that the setting is going to end up taking more lives, uh, as we progress through this, especially with this, uh, you know, if the pandemic is prolonged because it's hard, you know, people are scared to get out the older you are, the more concern you need to be in the, I guess it compounds because the, the, the older, and then less healthy, you know, it's like for somebody like myself, we start stacking all these variables on top. And it's like, well, we just don't get out. We we've been fortunate enough to go to the gym, uh, some, but, uh, you know, going out to eat or doing those other things, we just don't, which not that going out to eat is great. But sometimes just getting out is exercise. And, you know, my, my favorite saying for me is that it doesn't matter what I'm doing. If I'm outside doing something that means I'm not inside sitting here eating, but with, uh, with the pandemic, a lot of people don't really have much of a alternative there.

Jessie (12:49):

That's true. And, you know, mentally it's been very important for people to be able to get out in any capacity. I mean, how exciting is it now to get in your car and go pick up, take out [inaudible] Oh my gosh. It's, our world has shifted. And, um, you know, I think that it's fine to one and good want to get out. There's something that does for us psychologically and emotionally, that is very important for us. And, you know, I mean, I've heard several people say that, I believe that this is true, that, you know, we are not thinking people who feel emotion, we are emotional creatures who happen to think, right. And so we have to take care of those things. Yeah,

Roy (13:41):

No, that's

Jessie (13:42):

So true. Oh my gosh.

Roy (13:45):

So, uh, part of what, uh, you know, you talk about a little bit is the, the metabolic syndrome. What can you explain what that, what that is?

Jessie (13:55):

Well, metabolic syndrome can accompany a whole lot of different disorders, um, symptoms. And what I like to focus on really is, uh, diabetes. And pre-diabetes because this is a disease that, uh, just it's, I don't have a good word for it because there's not a sinister enough word that can explain the wreckage and the carnage that diabetes plays in people's lives. And, you know, then people are pre-diabetic and, uh, you know, I know countless people where they say, well, you know, but it's in my family, like, yes, but what people are often unaware of an often not hall is that type two diabetes and pre-diabetes is always so good with type two diabetes, that these things are preventable and they are reversible. And you have some doctors who are diagnosing people with type two diabetes and saying, or pre-diabetes thing, you know, the best we can do is manage it. And what they mean by that is with medication. This is absolute BS. I hope you don't mind me saying BS, Ryan, Harry, because

Terry3 (15:08):

We like it. We like acronyms

Jessie (15:13):

It's. I call these BS narratives and we are subjected to a lot of BS narratives on the idea that you cannot prevent or even reverse type two diabetes, or get out of a pre-diabetic situation without medication is completely and totally false. And you have some people who fit into the camp of, well, if I could just take medication, that means I don't have to change the way I eat. I'll just take that. But, uh, you have other people like myself who think, why in the world would you see if the pharmaceutical company is, um, why would you perpetuate that they're using your body? Um, and if you can not do that, we are a walking chemical factories. Whether we like it or not, whether we know it or not, my dad always said this. If I was growing up, we are a walking chemical factory.

Jessie (16:04):

What we put into our bodies matters not just when it comes to food, but when it comes to medication, sometimes we need the medication. I mean, take a look around with COVID, right. I mean, we're all trying to figure this out, but if you have a bacterial infection, you're going to need some antibiotics. You got to do that. But to prefer medications over just some simple eating tweaks, that's something that makes me very sad, because I know that we are being used as pawns, um, by the pharmaceutical company, then it's that, it's something that we can completely avoid and we can do it without white knuckling it and, and having all of our joy stolen. If people hear me say that and they'll think, Oh yeah, sure. Salad, rabbit food. And that makes them just kind of want to die a little

Terry3 (16:55):

Small death and die,

Jessie (16:58):

But you could do it without all of that. You really can.

Terry3 (17:03):

Great. And no, go ahead. I was going to say, okay, so how do we do that? How do we do that? Jesse? Let me just

Jessie (17:11):

First say that when it comes to prediabetes, I, I, I like to look up the stats, um, you know, newly every so often to see what we're, what we're dealing with. And pre-diabetes, I kind of, I was shocked by the number that I saw. The latest statistics indicate that American that over 34% of Americans have pre-diabetes and that is over a hundred million people. That is just not okay. Um,

Terry3 (17:43):

Did they count as a, as pre-diabetes, where do you have to be? This has to, with the

Jessie (17:50):

Measurement of, uh, sugar in your bloodstream. And so that's something that your doctor would be able to measure and tell you, um, you know, they use a very specific test and, you know, some people who are borderline this, I know that this sounds a little wackadoodle, but this is true. Um, I I've ha I've seen doctors admit this, um, that the pharmaceutical companies, there's a very tight relationship between them and these doctors, the prescribing doctors. So, and I, my, uh, my ex's, uh, brother was a pharmaceutical rep. And he would confirm that what would happen is that when a doctor, they would keep tabs on doctors prescribing their medications. And when a doctor, his numbers started thinking, the rep had to go to that doctor's office and say, Hey, why are you prescribing her meds? So when you're being diagnosed with pre-diabetes or with diabetes, you know, I mean, how do you even know what to trust anymore?

Jessie (18:59):

It's your, if you can't trust your doctor, who can you trust? So any way that the doctor can perform these, these tests and, um, let you know whether, whether you've sort of tipped into a pre-diabetic camp, but to answer Terry's question there, the ways that you can do this is you can do it through, um, losing weight, definitely help there. And there are, uh, four really tried and true ways to lose weight without any exercise, um, and whatever. And, and here's the thing. There are these fad diets, the comrades are, they're also a very complicated diet come around. Um, and you could have some scientific articles that will indicate, okay. Yeah. There's, there's, there's proof showing that this might be helpful, but that's not the important thing. So I read the literature before I went into law, I was, uh, I was actually accepted into a PhD program in sociology, and I had published peer reviewed journal articles.

Jessie (20:05):

So I'm used to looking at the literature. I know how to read the literature. I know whether the methodology is a bunch of crap or whether it is actually decent and solid. Um, so I'm fortunate that I can read this stuff and understand it, but, you know, so some people that you'll see on YouTube or that you'll see on random websites, they'll say, Oh, wow, there's this study. And it shows this so therefore do it. No, that's not how science works. You have to look at the entire body of literature and you have to look at the overall trend. The one-offs don't matter. So there are four tried and true ways to lose weight without exercise. And the thing is it's for any of your listeners, they'll hear these four things. And some of them there'll be some of them they'll be like, huh. And that is what matters, because that visceral reaction that has to do with your personality, people look at the testimonials of these different diets.

Jessie (21:01):

And they'll say, man, I want that. I want that result. I want to feel that way. I want to have, I want to be comfortable in my clothes. I want to be confident, naked, you know, or to be Keaty. I want to be energized to play with my kids, or my grandkids are at work, or I need a level up. I want to start my own business, whatever. So they'll look at these testimonials. They'll want that for their life. And then they will start this diet. Even if unbeknownst to them, it does not fit their personality. Then they'll white, knuckle it until finally they jumped ship and they're like, you know, screw it. And once they have the screwed attitude, it's overwhelming. So before the four methods, one is the one that I hate the most. That's my personality that is counting bros, counting calorie, waned food.

Jessie (21:58):

But you do have some people out there where numbers are their friends. They love it. It brings them a comfort. And so they really enjoy that practice. I am not one of those people. I do love numbers, but not in that way. I don't want to have to worry about it. And desktop professionals, most of us can't be bothered. We have too much property. We don't want to spend extra time or mental energy dealing with this stuff, but that does work. It does work the second way. Uh, and this will maybe, uh, cost up to your listeners to wonder whether what I'm thinking is true, but it is, is a high carb diet, the high carb, low fat. But when we hear carbs, for some reason, cupcakes, the pizzas have brownies. And for some reason, these have been termed carved. This is, this is a myth that I would really like to bust.

Jessie (22:49):

This is not true. What these are is they are simple carbs, highly processed carbs with highly processed fats together. They are together. And that has a very particular hormonal. It causes a very particular hormonal that storing response. But to say that these are carbs, that is a total mis-characterization of what these foods actually are. So a high carb, low fat diet that would involve, um, you know, like, look, look at the Asians that are eating like noodles and rice and vegetables and whatever. And they're, they're fine. You know, like, you know, where they're not fine is where a lot of fast food companies that have been introduced into the region, that's where they're starting to get undefined. Then they're starting to look more and more like us, but in the rural regions, you know, they're, they're doing great, but they're also working really hard. And I'm not talking about service industry, post industrial.

Jessie (23:44):

I'm talking about physical labor. You think about the third way is a low carb diet. Um, and they're the thing that makes me concerned about low carb diets only is that a lot of people dive into it without knowing how they're like, you know, what they're diving into and how to properly dive. So they'll think about this. They'll look at time magazines, old debunked article, the butter is back, um, and they will eat absolute crap. Um, and it's been shown to lead to early death if you don't do it right. Um, you can take 10 years off your life like that. If you do a low carb diet, the wrong way for a prolonged period of time. But if you do a low carb diet and you can't, you can't lose the weight, but I don't want people to go into an early grave skinnier

Terry4 (24:36):

Just so they could fit into the casket.

Jessie (24:39):

Yeah, yeah. Getting your Cassie. I mean, that's not fun. So, but there is a way to reduce your weight on a low carb protocol that also will, um, either not reduce your life or even extend your lifespan. Um, and then the fourth way that you can do it, it's just what I call a mixed medley. So these are people who need to have a lot of flexibility, a lot of balance in their lives. So they're the kinds of people where their plate really is going to be a mix of your macronutrients, your carbs, your proteins, and your, uh,

Terry4 (25:14):

I think that's what I did. That's what I came out as the mixed medley.

Jessie (25:18):

Yeah. Yeah. I saw that. She took my personnel.

Terry4 (25:27):

I want to know what my personality is, man.

Jessie (25:30):

And there are ways to do these things where you can still enjoy, you know, some of your favorite foods. Um, and it's not a matter of, I never tell people that they can't have something. I don't think that that's a good mentality. I don't think that that leads to good behaviors. Um, and it, it's not helpful. It doesn't work. Um, long-term short-term anybody can white knuckle anything long-term, it doesn't work. So I really believe in making things workable for people and meeting people where they currently are right now, instead of forcing them to put the square peg of their food personality, whether they know about it or not into the round hole of a certain diet. No.

Terry4 (26:18):

Yeah. Can you, I was just going to ask you about the, uh, the tests, the tests, the mixed medley. And I think, I, I think, I think that was like 62% on, on my, um, scoring and then right under that with the low carb, I believe so. Yeah. Very interesting. But I mean, if you were to tell me that I couldn't have something, I could do it for a little while and then I'd be like, Oh, watch this, you see this I'm eating. I mean, I'm going to go way overboard just to prove that I can. Yeah.

Jessie (26:52):

Yes. And then I think that that is a, uh, a normal experience. I think a lot of us have experienced that if any of us have been on diets before, I think, I think every single one of us can relate to what you're talking about, Terry.

Terry4 (27:08):

Oh yeah. I mean, look what I have up my sleeve. I got cookies. Yeah. I got them hidden, tucked away.

Jessie (27:17):

Yeah. Cause it, you know, because there's, there's really an all or nothing mentality of that. I think we've kind of been socialized to accept an all or nothing mentality that, you know, like truly serious people are all in, uh, uh, my goodness gracious. And then once you are like, you know, I'm going to cave, but if you're going to cage, you're going to cave all into, you know, because darn it. You're all in you can't tell me what to do. I'm serious about like, screw this. I want you to have this group mentality. It can take what would be, I would, I don't even call it a step back. I call it. It's just part of the process. But you would take something that could be just part of a process. And instead it becomes this enormous setback, this huge psychological and emotional wall that's there.

Jessie (28:12):

Goodness only knows how many months or years it's going to be before you even try anything else. Because what you think is, well, I've tried all this crap before, you know, I've tried it before nothing works. I've tried everything. I've hell. I used to say that too, until I finally decided just to like, you know, dive into the plants myself now I had, I was so determined and I was very fortunate to have the background and research that I have because since June of 2016, when I had that moment, I've probably done a, a little over a thousand hours of, uh, secondary research into the period. You literature, people don't have time to do that. And that's why they go on to some of these very questionable websites, but they have the word health, uh, like ha ha I think I don't want to defame anything, but there, there are some health blank websites that are out there where their information is not, but it's not faith and finds. Maybe half of their information happens to be accurate. And half of it is very misleading and people will look at that and they'll think that that's, they have done the research. It's not good. Um, and so I really, I feel for people and I, I want them to know what the real,

Terry4 (29:34):

What happens after. So the, your, your process is like to have them come to your, and then, um, maybe take, take the personality test or person. What is it? Personality, diet tests. Personality quiz. Yes, yes. Yeah. Okay. And then what happens after that?

Jessie (29:58):

I mean, how so, uh, go ahead. As you saw Terry, when you took the food personality quiz, uh, at the end of it, there's sort of this assessment like, okay, here's where you fall. So in your case, you are a mixed medley, which means you need to have a lot of flexibility in your approach. So what would happen is that now normally, um, I, I have been taking one-on-one coaching clients, but, um, I I've also stopped doing that because I've been neck deep in, in creating a course for people, because basically just for the same reason I had had to have this, uh, this moment, I called a mirror moment where you really have to face yourself and question what you're doing and why you're doing it. And just like how, when I left the law firm, because I really felt like I could help people in a different way.

Jessie (30:49):

Um, and in, in possibly a much more needed ways. And we're talking about over a hundred million people with pre-diabetes. I had to think about what does my one-on-one coaching do? It, does it help people yet that help people, but there are like a hundred million people out there that need help. I can't do it all myself. So I'm creating a course. So what would happen is that with you, Terry, you get your, a big Smedley, you would then go to the mixed medley module. Now the bad thing about creating a course with this whole process is that because I have to be honest, and because there are four try to true ways to lose weight without exercise, scientifically proven that's four times the work for me. So I was really like not a smart business decision, you know, in terms of my own time and efficacy, but that's what needs to happen.

Jessie (31:43):

So I can't, I have to be honest with the process and understand that's the way it is. So if I truly want to help people, I had to do all four. So developing all these modules that will fit your food personality. So Terry, you would be put on the mixed medley, food, personality, um, eating path. And it would, um, explain to you what it means more thoroughly. You get like a little assessment at the end of the food personality quiz, but it would explain more thoroughly like, well, class, like, here's what this means for you. And also here's probably unbeknownst to you where you might be self-sabotaging as a mixed medley person, here's where your pitfalls are. And also here's how to enjoy life while you're still losing weight. Um, and they're also different, uh, like, like bonus add on in the modules that they're all of the course. So absolutely nothing is extra. Once, once people come onto the course, they're given the keys to the entire castle for life forever. Um, there's no like monthly fees, nothing, and you can come back to it as life happens. So there are these different add ons that you can just sort of play with. I'll give you an example. So let's say you wanted to kind of like play with the idea of like alcohol. There's a module called alcohol. Now I like a great glass of wine.

Terry3 (33:14):

When I was at the law firm. I liked myself a nice scotch too, like, Oh yeah, you can be a partner in a locker without us. Right. That's [inaudible].

Jessie (33:29):

But anyway, so it's not to say these little atoms. They're not to say don't have this anymore, right? No, this is up to you, but it's to give you information, like here's something that you need to know about alcohol and how, because we're walking chemical factories.

Terry3 (33:49):

Well, they almost made it all the way through and it's probably a squirrel. I mean, who knows? Who knows? Yeah. Sorry about that.

Jessie (34:11):

Fine. It's fine though. Um, anyway, uh, it's just to play around with things that you might, you know, be able to work into your life or just even little tweaks, like there's a dairy module. It's not to say you have to give up dairy, but it's like, here are some things that dairy does that you may or may not be aware of. You could even tweak or play with the different types of dairy that you have, because the way that dairy is processed in different products can have a different effect on certain people. And it can, again, it's about what fits into their life, their lifestyle and personality. And I don't believe in lifestyle change. I know this is going to be all for like the last, like big, like, what is this gal mean, lifestyle change. This is what, this is the alternative language to diet that we have sort of developed in the weight loss industry.

Jessie (35:02):

But what ends up happening is that people think that they're ready for a lifestyle change. Just like they think they're ready for diet. They end up white, knuckling it through the lifestyle change, just like they, white knuckle is through the diet. Uh, and some people are really able to make the lifestyle changes. Like some people are really able to make it through the diet, but a lot of people, they end up, uh, going away from the lifestyle change because they miss their life. They missed it. Right. So I believe in lifestyle tweaks, I believe in lifestyle tweaks that fit your personality. They're absolutely doable. There are tons of different options. And, um, yeah, I believe in meeting people where they're at and, and they can lose weight in a way that makes sense for their reins and their preferences in their life.

Roy (35:50):

That's interesting. So, um, now Terry is the mixed medley. Do, does, will that change through out your life or throughout your experiences or if, if she had taken it 20 years ago, was she still been the same thing?

Jessie (36:05):

That is a great question. I am so glad that you asked. So the answer, uh, if there are any lawyers, those will be like, everybody's favorite answer as a lawyer is it depends. It really does, but your food preferences, habits, um, and fruit personality that can change. One thing that I read that was absolutely crucial for me to include in my course, uh, is that I want it to be something the reason why it's important, how lifetime act does it because life happens. Like you have to take care of a parent. You have, you, you have a kid, you know, you get injured, you know, goodness forbid, but you know, you, what if something happens to you, whatever, um, or COVID-19 happens in the post two months, we're all like numbing out on flatbread and why like, why it happens, you need, you need a place to call home. So you, whenever you're like totally going to go back home. And so this is a place where you can go back home and you can always start over by you just retake the food personality quiz, and you might end up on the same path, but you might end up on a different path, but if you do it's okay, then we just start you off on that eating path. And you go on your journey, you hit your goals and you know, everybody's supportive of one another.

Roy (37:34):

Okay. Interesting. Okay. And, uh, so like the there's the alcohol and the dairy module, uh, how many other modules are there that will, that will go with that?

Jessie (37:45):

Oh gosh, there are so many, so many. Can you please give us the exact amount? So Betty, you know, I haven't even, I haven't even finished creating all of them, but it's, I mean, we're talking about at least a dozen and these are just like, cause they're options. People need to know that people need to know that there is more than one way to lose weight right there without exercise, you know? And, and I'm not poo-pooing exercise. Exercise is great, but if you don't have time for it, especially not right now in your life or whatever, or you just don't have the mental energy or whatever right now, hope is not lost. You can still do it. It is tried and true. Um, and so it, yeah, there are a lot there's, you know, sugar and fruit toes, there are a lot, there are lots of different and you don't have to give up any of it.

Jessie (38:39):

Right. You just learn a little bit about it. You can tweak as you need. And, um, group coaching calls, group coaching calls are really key because if the way to have a community, the introverts don't have the talk. They can just listen. They can submit questions beforehand and get, still get their questions answered, uh, answered the, the extroverts. They, you know, they're happy to take it over. Yeah. So it's a way to be, and to know you're not alone, there's so much shame attached with you don't need like wanting or needing to lose some weight. I mean, I even try to say, I take people, I take death job professionals from fluffy to fit because it's fluffy. I feel like it's a kind word, a very sweep. I just see a little Peter cottontail and he fluffy. Yeah. Yeah. You know, because no matter what stage we're at, we're all valuable. We are all worthy. We are all, we are all worthy of love and lovable and wonderful people we already are. It's just that no matter who you are and where you're at, nobody can tell you, be confident. You look XYZ amazing. Only, you know, only, you know, what that looks like on you. Yeah. Um, so anyway, yeah, that's right.

Roy (40:00):

Yeah. And that's why, uh, you know, the community, uh, there's so many people out there that are hurting and you know, it's like, I, I have a great partner in Terry. That's very supportive whether I want to eat bad. Good. You know,

Jessie (40:14):

I'm horrible. I'll go either way, any way you want ice cream. Okay.

Roy (40:20):

You know, she is, uh, worked very hard, you know, with cooking and we've even started doing a lot of cooking together, but that's exactly why we started. This was not only to help people show people that you're not alone in this, but also to be a little vulnerable in the fact that no matter how good you do at anything, you're always going to fall off, but you know what, it's life you got just, uh, have your mistake, admit it, pick it up and start moving on. Again. We can't, you know, you can sit around and beat yourself up, but that's going to make, you want to eat more Ben and Jerry's and maybe have more of those alcoholic beverages and what you really should

Jessie (40:59):

That's right. Well, that's true. But you know, also if, if you don't mind me being so being so bold, Roy, um, you know, it's, I would argue that, that it's not even about being bad. I would try to even take that idea of, like, I even tried to take the idea of cheating, the idea of being bad, the idea of any sort of award that has, uh, a judgment that's attached to it, even if subconsciously. Yeah. And instead if you make it part of the process, you're not quote unquote being that you're just, that's just of the process. Right. Right. You know, so you're not abandoning a diet. You're not like going away from a program or whatever, if your program involves that and include that. Yeah, exactly.

Roy (41:49):

No, that's exactly right. And, you know, we need, it's like some other things that we've talked about and I've had some in another pot business podcast is, you know, we have to celebrate those victories and try to, uh, not dwell on things that we wished wouldn't have happened, but like you said, incorporated into it, it's just part of the process. So definitely understandable

Jessie (42:11):

And hopefully learn from it. And there are ways to do it that, you know, if you want your ice cream or whatever it is, there are ways to do that. That will have, you know, that will still maximize your enjoyment and minimize any sort of negative impact. I mean, even, you know, if like, if it's really the first three bites that trigger the, the pleasure reward system in our brain, it's those first three bites, but we're served, you know, a container that's like humongous, and then we just finish it because that also we've all had taught finish what's on your plate. [inaudible] yeah. Every one of us in bed, you know, like sending this blaze. Yeah. Yeah. But there are little things, you know, that where you could learn exactly how to enjoy these things. It's a matter of, you know, like pacing and, you know, the, that mountain and timing. And there, there are ways to learn all kinds of these things so that you can integrate your favorite, that you're like, you don't have to say goodbye to like your favorite friends. It doesn't have to happen.

Roy (43:24):

Yeah. And it's difficult, you know, that's important because, um, we can't always stay within our little self-contained bubble. We have to get out in the world. And, um, you know, that's one thing that we miss a little bit is, you know, kind of going out and doing that little celebration. So I'm all for figuring out a way that we can incorporate that into life. For sure.

Jessie (43:46):

Sure. Yeah. So a wedding, you want to have the cake

Roy (43:49):

Exactly. You want cake. And I think that, uh, uh, you know, that group, uh, the group, uh, counseling or mentorship group. Yeah. Whatever, you know, where you can get together, everybody and talk about that. That's another important part is being able to say, you know, here's some challenges I ran up against and how do we handle it? You know? And like the eaten two or three bites of something, uh, a lot of times that's satisfying and you can move on after that. You don't have to eat the whole thing.

Jessie (44:22):

Yeah. Some here, and some people have to it's all on there. It depends on your personality. And, uh, you know, so that's, I think that it's lovely if people could have that three bites and like, and where they're still some remainder and they can put it away if that's in their personality, good on them. But if that's not in your personality, there is still a way there is. I swear everything really like that's like, your personality is so important. That is why it is the absolute cornerstone of everything that I do it because it's not going to work otherwise at long-term it won't. And I want people to love themselves through the process. Yeah.

Roy (45:01):

So, uh, th the one more question for you and, um, is th the food personality, is that something that, uh, you know, because you said it changes and we may change through time, change the tastes, but are these things that we learn as an adolescent, as a young adult, is that the environment that we're in the, uh, you know, the situation in which we're in today, I guess really what shapes that,

Jessie (45:28):

Everything that you just mentioned? I mean, there are some people, everybody, everybody is that, you know, I know we kind of, you know, like to make fun of certain people, I call it, you know, calling them snowflake though, such and such snowflake, but we all really are no flake, all of that. And, you know, some of us face really serious trauma is very young children and when that's happening and if that's, if that is, um, impacting, uh, any sort of like eating disorder, emotional eating, I will actually refer that out. I will refer that out to an expert who deals with that kind of trauma, because, you know, even as a lawyer, you have to know that if you are working relearn your, you shouldn't be handling divorces. You know, I'm a weight loss coach. And I have a lot of science and a lot of experience with food personalities, um, in my brain.

Jessie (46:24):

But somebody who did the deal with somebody, who's a having disordered eating problem, that is a very, very particular issue. And that has to be resolved first. But, you know, as far as like your general food personality, that's not related to trauma. This could be as simple as, from the time that we're young being told to finish our plate. Um, two things that we see in movies, like, you know, a good people finish their plate versus no, like ungrateful, you know, spoiled children don't, or it can be, you know, it could have to do with scarcity, especially if you grow, if you grew up for you could be in your plate. Not because you're told that, but because that's all you're going to get for a while. Um, it could be adolescence. It could be hormones while we were at while we were teenagers, it could be as adults. It could be COVID for, all I know is being like, okay, now you're stuck at home and you're eating the things you used to doing, but you're on the sofa, 24 seven, there are so many things that could influence this person.

Roy (47:21):

It's funny, you mentioned the scarcity because I, uh, I grew up with a guy or knew him as a young adult that, um, they food scarcity, when he was growing up, they ate a lot of beans and a lot of stuff that they came out of their garden. And he said, when he was a teenager, he vowed, he said, I will never eat another meal that does not have a meat. And so that was one of their big things is that, uh, every meal, his wife, you know, there were some kind of meat, steak, chicken, whatever, but, uh, so definitely, you know, shaped him for sure.

Jessie (48:00):

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. That's a big deal.

Roy (48:04):

I see. Thank you so much for taking time out of your day. We appreciate this information a lot. And, uh, before I ask you to kind of give your commercial, so what is a tool that you use either, uh, in your business life, in your personal life, a tool, a habit, a ritual, something that you do every day that you couldn't do without?

Jessie (48:28):

Well, anybody who knows me knows, uh, I know I, I mentioned my, my little rescue animal before, but I love these babies so much. And, um, you know, every morning they come and they find me, um, after my husband's an early riser than I am. And once he left, I get all four of them make their way to me. And there were all cuddling and there is something so special about it that just, I don't know the love of these rescue animals. I just, I don't think I could do without it. I really don't. They, they bring me a richness in my life that is really irreplaceable. I love that.

Roy (49:15):

Well, we have a snuggler and then she turns to the devil, she will set up and just give you the death stares. Like I am so hung, you know, I know she's thinking I'm so hungry. You just need to get up. Yeah,

Jessie (49:27):

Exactly. When it's time to go out. Exactly. When it's time to eat. Yeah,

Roy (49:30):

Exactly. And that's why she's getting so restless right. This minute, because the minute the, you know, it's five o'clock here. The minute that clock chimes five is like, where is my bowl of food at? Yeah. Well, if you don't mind tell everybody how they can reach out and get in touch with you. And do you have kind of an ETA on rolling out the, uh, the, uh, the,

Jessie (49:56):

The core courses? Uh, yes. So my, the, my course that I am, um, developing, it's called the health box blueprint. And, uh, that rolled out on January 8th. I'm taking pre-orders at like, as you want me to just count, um, for the whole month of November, um, and it, on my website, you can find it, uh, just, just these eyelea.com. Um, my YouTube channel is help off. If you just look up how far you'll be able to see it. And I usually have the, the link to my website underneath my videos, the most recent one.

Roy (50:36):

Okay. Yeah. And we'll be sure and put all of your, uh, links and, uh, not only to your site, but to the YouTube, into the show notes and to our webpage as well. Oh,

Jessie (50:47):

This has been so much fun.

Roy (50:49):

It has. It's been a pleasure speaking with you. Thank you so much.

Terry4 (50:53):

Thank you so much. What a great perspective and learning about the personality. Oh my gosh. Who knew? You know, it sounds simple, but it's not, you know, it sounds sad, but it's not, there's a lot of research that goes in behind there. Yeah. A lot of reasons. Oh my gosh. Yeah. Made me tired.

Jessie (51:13):

Yeah. Well, it's been a pleasure. Thank you both.

Roy (51:19):

Yeah, I'm right. To all our listeners, you can find us at www dot feeding, fatty.com also on iTunes, Stitcher, Google play, and Spotify. Be sure and share this awesome episode. So all of your friends can hear Jesse as well. Uh, we look forward to talking with you. Uh, we're also Facebook, Twitter, and Instagram too. All right. Till next time. I'm Roy

Terry4 (51:44):

I'm Terry.