Cognicast
173 episodes - English - Latest episode: over 1 year ago - ★★★★★ - 18 ratingsA podcast by Cognitect, Inc. about software and the people that create it. We frequently talk about Clojure, ClojureScript, Datomic, agile software development, distributed systems, functional programming, and lots of other wonderfully geeky things.
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Kim Foster - Cognicast Episode 072
February 03, 2015 15:00 - 45 minutesIn this episode, we talk to Kim Foster about recruiting, producing the podcast and her recent India adventure. Our Guest, Kim Foster On the web Topics Alvin Ailey Dance Company Revelation Tipu Sultan Palace Bangalore Big Bull Temple Bangalore Palace Nilenso Bangalore Clojure Meetup Technology in Bangalore The Government Inspector by Nikolai Gogol NC Theatre and Conservatory Nerds, The Musical SUBSCRIBING TO THE COGNICAST The show is available on iTunes! You can also subscribe...
Justin Gehtland - Cognicast Episode 071
January 20, 2015 15:05 - 59 minutesIn this episode, we do a 2014 year in review with Justin Gehtland, Cognitect CEO. Topics The Monkees Reunion Tour Gary Puckett and the Union Gap The Turtles Tom Jones Metallica - And Justice for All Tour Queensryche James Hetfield Clojure West David Nolen Transit Transducers Justin’s Conj Blogpost Conj Opportunity Grants State of Clojure Survey Commercial adopters of Clojure Datomic Pull API Joey Halloway podcast Case studies # SUBSCRIBING TO THE COGNICAST The show is a...
Scott Hanselman - Cognicast Episode 070
January 13, 2015 15:00 - 47 minutesIn this episode, we talk to Scott Hanselman about making things and podcasting. Our Guest, Scott Hanselman On the web On Twitter On Github Music Scott chose music by Sammus for this episode. We start the show with "Crown" and end with "Mae Jemison". Topics Nerdcore Hanselman Podcasts Dan Bricklin - Visicalc Scott Adams - Calendar Tree Makers Squarefoot gardening for programmers Retro Arcade Convention Intellivision game Babysmash.com Robot Turtles 100 technical thing non-...
Sam Aaron - Cognicast Episode 069
December 23, 2014 15:00 - 58 minutesOur Guest, Sam Aaron On the internet On Twitter On Github Music Sam is sharing original music he composed using Sonic Pi. To start the show, he chose "Time Machine". To end the show, he chose "Goodbyes". Topics Overtone Strangeloop Keynote with Carin Meier New Curriculum for computing in UK Lambda Next Meta-eX Sonic Pi Raspberry Pi Why the lucky stiff Shoes ICFP Paper - Dominic Orchard Threaded architecture Supercollider London Ruby Users group - real time sound generati...
Keith Sparkjoy - Cognicast Episode 068
December 09, 2014 19:06 - 59 minutesIn this episode, we talk to Keith Sparkjoy of Pluralsight. Our Guest, Keith Sparkjoy On the web On Twitter Music Keith chose "Miracle" by Foo Fighters to start the show and "Violent Love" by Oingo Boingo to end the show. Topics Pluralsight Aaron Skonnard C# Constructors Cachefly Cloudfront TrainSignal PeepCode Pluralsight Culture Patrick Lencioni, The Table Group Edwards Deming Drive by Daniel Pink The Lean Startup, Eric Ries Out of the Crisis by Edwards Deming The Deming...
Peter Monks and Carlo Sciolla - Cognicast Episode 067
December 02, 2014 19:26 - 1 hourIn this episode, we talk to Peter Monks and Carlo Sciolla about Lambdalf and Clojure hobby projects. Our guests, Peter Monks and Carlo Sciolla On the web Peter Carlo On Twitter Peter Carlo On Github Peter Carlo Music To start the show, Carlo chose the Sardinian song, "Frore in Su Nie" by Tazenda and to end the show, Peter chose "Blue Rondo a la Turk" by The Dave Brubeck Quartet. Topics Lamdalf Alfresco Server container Spring framework Rest API’s Rhino interpreter Carlo'...
Jim Crossley and Toby Crawley - Cognicast Episode 066
November 05, 2014 14:45 - 55 minutesIn this episode, we talk to Jim Crossley and Toby Crawley of Red Hat about the upcoming 2.0 release of Immutant. Our Guests Jim Crossley On the web On Twitter On GitHub Toby Crawley On the web On Twitter On GitHub Music Jim chose "Sing a Simple Song" by Sly and the Family Stone to start the show. Toby chose "I Like Hubcaps" by Brak to end the show. Topics The Mostly Lazy episode with Jim and Toby Red Hat Immutant Ruby Java C Atlanta Python TorqueBox Immutant Version 2 (...
Michael Parenteau - Cognicast Episode 065
October 15, 2014 18:00 - 1 hourIn this episode, we talk to Michael Parenteau about art, data and information. Our Guest, Michael Parenteau On the web On Twitter On Github On Dribbble Music Michael chose "Feel It All Around" by Washed Out to start the show and "Ziq Zaq" by Modeselektor to end the show. Topics Portlandia Art as a language, communicating with art An interesting article on the topic Another point of view on the subject Etymology and linguistics Sanskrit Mark Rothko Color and mood Made by Few ...
Ashton Kemerling - Cognicast Episode 064
September 25, 2014 13:26 - 1 hourIn this episode, we talk to Ashton Kemerling, of Pivotal Labs, about Tracker, Clojure and testing. Our Guest, Ashton Kemerling On the web On Github On Twitter Music Ashton chose "Lux Arumque" by the Brigham Young University Choir to start the show and "Little Lion Man" by Mumford and Sons to end the show. Topics Pivotal Tracker Test.check and Reid Draper Unit testing Generative testing Hash maps JDBC Clojure.test Invariants TDD Jenkins Circle CI Ashton's 2014 Conj talk abs...
Will Byrd - Cognicast Episode 063
September 15, 2014 15:43 - 1 hourIn this episode, we talk to Will Byrd about Scheme, Clojure and computer science education. Our Guest, Will Byrd On the web On Github On Twitter Music Will chose "Luminous Bipeds" by The Orthotonics to start the show and "Don't You Evah" by Spoon to end the show. He also suggested watching the video "Keepon Dancing to Spoon's Don't You Evah" by Wired. Topics Indiana University comp sci PhD miniKanren Dan Friedman Oleg Kiselyov David Nolen core.logic The Reasoned Schemer Cloju...
Eric Normand - Cognicast Episode 062
August 19, 2014 15:00 - 1 hourWe talk to Eric Normand, producer of LispCast and publisher of the Clojure Gazette. Our Guest, Eric Normand On the Web Music Eric chose "Joyeux Anniversaire" by Sekouba Bambino to start the show and "Yambo" by Salif Keita to end the show. Topics Symbolic AI, Norvig and Lisp Emacs Lisp Paul Graham essays Paul Graham’s book Common Lisp Oopsla Alan Kay John McCarthy Concurrency Immutable data structures Paradigms of Artificial Intelligence Programming Vector literals Building ...
Matthew Flatt - Cognicast Episode 061
August 13, 2014 14:00 - 1 hourWe talk with Matthew Flatt of the University of Utah about Racket and RacketCon. As you may have noticed, the Cognicast has finally made its way to its new home here at cognitect.com! Our Guest, Matthew Flatt On the Web Music Matthew chose "Palace of the Brine" by The Pixies to start the show and "Theme from the Bottom"by Phish to end the show. Topics Racket Strange Loop 2014 RacketCon 2014 (colocated with Strange Loop 2014, [$30 a ticket]) University of Utah Scheme programming la...
Tim Ewald - Cognicast Episode 060
July 22, 2014 16:00 - 49 minutesWe talk with Cognitect Tim Ewald about Transit, a new data interchange format. As you may have noticed, the Cognicast has finally made its way to its new home here at cognitect.com! Our Guest, Tim Ewald On the Web Music Tim chose "Take the A Train"by The Dave Brubeck Quartet to start the show and "Granite State of Mind", a Jay-Z parody by The SSP, to end the show. Topics Transit Rich's Transit blog post Transit tour Transit specification Transit Libraries Java Clojure JavaScri...
Michael Nygard - Cognicast Episode 059
July 16, 2014 14:00 - 52 minutesWe talk with Michael Nygard about simulation testing. As you may have noticed, the Cognicast has finally made its way to its new home here at cognitect.com! Our Guest, Michael Nygard on Twitter on Github on the Web on LinkedIn Music Mike chose "The Bomb" by Bittersweet to start the show and "Baba Yaga" by Mussorgsky to end the show. Topics Simulation testing: "A randomized but repeatable way of applying traffic to a real system running more or less in its actual environment and exp...
Paul deGrandis - Cognicast Episode 058
June 17, 2014 14:00 - 54 minutesWe talk with Cognitect's Paul deGrandis about his work with Pedestal, ClojureScript-Terra, and squeezing performance out of the Cloud. Listen to or download this episode. Subscribing to The Cognicast The show is available on iTunes! You can also subscribe to the podcast using our podcast feed. As we move to complete the technical infrastructure work around the merger of Relevance and Metadata Partners into Cognitect, we will definitely be providing a subscription feed for The Cognicast. ...
Joey Halloway - Cognicast Episode 057
May 28, 2014 16:46We talk with Joey Halloway about her lifelong battle with depression and her experience with Electroconvulsive Therapy. Listen to or download this episode. Subscribing to The Cognicast The show is available on iTunes! You can also subscribe to the podcast using our podcast feed. As we move to complete the technical infrastructure work around the merger of Relevance and Metadata Partners into Cognitect, we will definitely be providing a subscription feed for The Cognicast. In the meantime...
Jen Eliuk - Cognicast Episode 056
May 20, 2014 16:25 - 56 minutesWe talk with Jen Eliuk about her interesting and unusual path into the world of software development. Listen to or download this episode. Subscribing to The Cognicast The show is available on iTunes! You can also subscribe to the podcast using our podcast feed. As we move to complete the technical infrastructure work around the merger of Relevance and Metadata Partners into Cognitect, we will definitely be providing a subscription feed for The Cognicast. In the meantime, you can be sure ...
Kovas Boguta - Cognicast Episode 055
April 22, 2014 19:22 - 57 minutesWe talk with Kovas Boguta about Session. Listen to or download this episode. Subscribing to The Cognicast The show is available on iTunes! You can also subscribe to the podcast using our podcast feed. As we move to complete the technical infrastructure work around the merger of Relevance and Metadata Partners into Cognitect, we will definitely be providing a subscription feed for The Cognicast. In the meantime, you can be sure not to miss an episode by continuing to subscribe to ThinkRel...
David Nolen - Cognicast Episode 054
April 10, 2014 19:24 - 54 minutesWe talk with David Nolen about Om andcore.logic. Listen to or download this episode. Subscribing to The Cognicast The show is available on iTunes! You can also subscribe to the podcast using our podcast feed. As we move to complete the technical infrastructure work around the merger of Relevance and Metadata Partners into Cognitect, we will definitely be providing a subscription feed for The Cognicast. In the meantime, you can be sure not to miss an episode by continuing to subscribe to ...
Bridget Hillyer - Cognicast Episode 053
March 25, 2014 16:27 - 54 minutesWe talk to Bridget Hillyer about ClojureBridge and increasing diversity in the Clojure community. Listen to or download this episode. Subscribing to The Cognicast The show is available on iTunes! You can also subscribe to the podcast using our podcast feed. As we move to complete the technical infrastructure work around the merger of Relevance and Metadata Partners into Cognitect, we will definitely be providing a subscription feed for The Cognicast. In the meantime, you can be sure not ...
Alan Dipert - Cognicast Episode 052
March 18, 2014 18:53We talk to Alan Dipert about Hoplon, a set of Clojure libraries for writing interactive browser applications.
Alan Dipert - Cognicast Episode 52
March 18, 2014 14:38 - 1 hourWe talk to Alan Dipert about Hoplon, a set of Clojure libraries for writing interactive browser applications.
Dan Croak - Cognicast Episode 051
March 11, 2014 15:14 - 1 hourWe talk to Dan Croak of thoughtbot about the thoughtbot playbook, their approach to remote work, and their software development philosophies. # This episode predates our move to cognitect.com. Get the complete show notes on the original episode page. Subscribing to The Cognicast The show is available on iTunes! You can also subscribe to the podcast using our podcast feed. You can send feedback about the show to [email protected], or leave a comment here on the blog. Thanks for liste...
Luke Vanderhart and Ryan Neufeld - Cognicast Episode 050
February 25, 2014 19:39 - 49 minutesWe talk to Cognitects Luke VanderHart and Ryan Neufeld about their new book, "The Clojure Cookbook". This episode predates our move to cognitect.com. Get the complete show notes on the original episode page. Subscribing to The Cognicast The show is available on iTunes! You can also subscribe to the podcast using our podcast feed. You can send feedback about the show to [email protected], or leave a comment here on the blog. Thanks for listening! We talk to Cognitects Luke VanderHart...
Carin Meier - Cognicast Episode 049
February 11, 2014 18:24 - 56 minutesWe talk to Carin Meier of Neo about speech acts, storytelling, and robot dance parties. This episode predates our move to cognitect.com. Get the complete show notes on the original episode page. Subscribing to The Cognicast The show is available on iTunes! You can also subscribe to the podcast using our podcast feed. You can send feedback about the show to [email protected], or leave a comment here on the blog. Thanks for listening! We talk to Carin Meier of Neo about speech acts, s...
Kyle Kingsbury - Cognicast Episode 048
January 30, 2014 18:45 - 52 minutesWe talk to Kyle Kingsbury of Factual about distributed systems, linearizability, and where to keep secrets and concurrency. This episode predates our move to cognitect.com. Get the complete show notes on the original episode page. Subscribing to The Cognicast The show is available on iTunes! You can also subscribe to the podcast using our podcast feed. You can send feedback about the show to [email protected], or leave a comment here on the blog. Thanks for listening! We talk to Kyl...
Justin Gehtland - Cognicast Episode 047
January 14, 2014 18:53 - 1 hourWe talk to Cognitect CEO Justin Gehtland about the year just past and the year ahead. This episode predates our move to cognitect.com. Get the complete show notes on the original episode page. Subscribing to The Cognicast The show is available on iTunes! You can also subscribe to the podcast using our podcast feed. You can send feedback about the show to [email protected], or leave a comment here on the blog. Thanks for listening! We talk to Cognitect CEO Justin Gehtland about the y...
Maggie Litton -Cognicast Episode 046
December 17, 2013 18:58 - 58 minutesWe talk to Project Manager Maggie Litton about desire, power, and Lacanian Psychoanalysis. This episode predates our move to cognitect.com. Get the complete show notes on the original episode page. Subscribing to The Cognicast The show is available on iTunes! You can also subscribe to the podcast using our podcast feed. You can send feedback about the show to [email protected], or leave a comment here on the blog. Thanks for listening! We talk to Project Manager Maggie Litton about ...
Reid Draper - Cognicast Episode 045
November 11, 2013 19:12 - 1 hourWe talk to Reid Draper of Basho about QuickCheck, SimpleCheck, Riak, Haskell, Erlang, and a variety of other interesting topics. This episode predates our move to cognitect.com. Get the complete show notes on the original episode page. Subscribing to The Cognicast The show is available on iTunes! You can also subscribe to the podcast using our podcast feed. You can send feedback about the show to [email protected], or leave a comment here on the blog. Thanks for listening! We talk t...
Lynn Grogan - Cognicast Episode 044
October 29, 2013 18:21 - 57 minutesWe talk to Lynn Grogan, Cognitect's Events Manager, about her 211-mile hike along the John Muir Trail in California. This episode predates our move to cognitect.com. Get the complete show notes on the original episode page. Subscribing to The Cognicast The show is available on iTunes! You can also subscribe to the podcast using our podcast feed. You can send feedback about the show to [email protected], or leave a comment here on the blog. Thanks for listening! We talk to Lynn Groga...
Kevin Lynagh - Cognicast Episode 043
October 15, 2013 18:32 - 1 hourIn this episode, we talk to Kevin Lynagh about the many interesting things he has been up to lately. These include being invited to Hacker School and producing Weathertron, a native iOS weather app written using ClojureScript. This episode predates our move to cognitect.com. Get the complete show notes on the original episode page. Subscribing to The Cognicast The show is available on iTunes! You can also subscribe to the podcast using our podcast feed. You can send feedback about the sh...
Ambrose Bonnaire-Sergeant - Cognicast Episode 042
October 08, 2013 18:41 - 54 minutesAmbrose Bonnaire-Sergeant has made quite a splash recently with his campaign to fund development ofcore.typed, a library that provides a gradual type system for Clojure. In this episode, we talk extensively with Ambrose about core.typed just minutes before he launched the campaign. This episode predates our move to cognitect.com. Get the complete show notes on the original episode page. Subscribing to The Cognicast The show is available on iTunes! You can also subscribe to the podcast usi...
Robert Stuttaford - Cognicast Episode 041
October 01, 2013 13:35 - 49 minutesOn this - our first post-merger episode! - we talk toRobert Stuttaford of Cognician about their use of Clojure, ClojureScript, Pedestal, and Datomic. This episode predates our move to cognitect.com. Get the complete show notes on the original episode page. Subscribing to The Cognicast The show is available on iTunes! You can also subscribe to the podcast using our podcast feed. You can send feedback about the show to [email protected], or leave a comment here on the blog. Thanks for ...
Cognitect - Podcast Episode 040
September 16, 2013 13:46 - 45 minutesIn this landmark episode, Craig interviews Justin Gehtland and Rich Hickey as they discuss the merger of Relevance and Metadata Partners (the company behind Datomic) to form a new company: Cognitect. This episode predates our move to cognitect.com. Get the complete show notes on the original episode page. Subscribing to The Cognicast The show is available on iTunes! You can also subscribe to the podcast using our podcast feed. You can send feedback about the show to [email protected]...
Alex Miller - Podcast Episode 039
August 27, 2013 19:23 - 56 minutesThe Relevance Podcast is the precursor to the Cognicast. In this episode, we talk to Alex Miller. You can find the original episode page here. Subscribing to The Cognicast The show is available on iTunes! You can also subscribe to the podcast using our podcast feed. You can send feedback about the show to [email protected], or leave a comment here on the blog. Thanks for listening! We talk to Alex Miller
Craig Andera - Podcast Episode 038
August 20, 2013 19:39 - 1 hourThe Relevance Podcast is the precursor to the Cognicast. In this episode, Justin Gehtland interviews Craig Andera. You can find the original episode page here. Subscribing to The Cognicast The show is available on iTunes! You can also subscribe to the podcast using our podcast feed. You can send feedback about the show to [email protected], or leave a comment here on the blog. Thanks for listening! Justin Gehtland interviews Craig Andera.
Brenton Ashworth - Podcast Episode 037
August 13, 2013 19:54 - 53 minutesThe Relevance Podcast is the precursor to the Cognicast. In this episode, we talk to Brenton Ashworth. You can find the original episode page here. Subscribing to The Cognicast The show is available on iTunes! You can also subscribe to the podcast using our podcast feed. You can send feedback about the show to [email protected], or leave a comment here on the blog. Thanks for listening! In this episode, we talk with Brenton Ashworth.
Neal Ford - Podcast Episode 036
July 26, 2013 13:40 - 57 minutesThe Relevance Podcast is the precursor to the Cognicast. In this episode, we talk to Neal Ford of ThoughtWorks. You can find the original episode page here. Subscribing to The Cognicast The show is available on iTunes! You can also subscribe to the podcast using our podcast feed. You can send feedback about the show to [email protected], or leave a comment here on the blog. Thanks for listening! In this episode, we talk with Neal Ford of ThoughtWorks.
Rich Hickey and core.async - Podcast Episode 035
July 10, 2013 13:47 - 38 minutesThe Relevance Podcast is the precursor to the Cognicast. In this episode, we talk to Rich Hickey about core.async. You can find the original episode page here. Subscribing to The Cognicast The show is available on iTunes! You can also subscribe to the podcast using our podcast feed. You can send feedback about the show to [email protected], or leave a comment here on the blog. Thanks for listening! In this episode, we talk to Rich Hickey about core.async.
Michael Nygard - Podcast Episode 034
June 25, 2013 13:54 - 56 minutesThe Relevance Podcast is the precursor to the Cognicast. In this episode, we talk to Michael Nygard. You can find the original episode page here. Subscribing to The Cognicast The show is available on iTunes! You can also subscribe to the podcast using our podcast feed. You can send feedback about the show to [email protected], or leave a comment here on the blog. Thanks for listening! In this episode, we talk to Michael Nygard.
Kurt Zimmer of Roomkey - Podcast Episode 033
June 12, 2013 14:00 - 52 minutesThe Relevance Podcast is the precursor to the Cognicast. In this episode, we talk to Kurt Zimmer of Roomkey. You can find the original episode page here. Subscribing to The Cognicast The show is available on iTunes! You can also subscribe to the podcast using our podcast feed. You can send feedback about the show to [email protected], or leave a comment here on the blog. Thanks for listening! In this episode, we talk to Kurt Zimmer of Roomkey
Stuart Sierra - Podcast Episode 032
May 29, 2013 16:45 - 42 minutesThe Relevance Podcast is the precursor to the Cognicast. In this episode, we talk to Stuart Sierra. You can find the original episode page here. Subscribing to The Cognicast The show is available on iTunes! You can also subscribe to the podcast using our podcast feed. You can send feedback about the show to [email protected], or leave a comment here on the blog. Thanks for listening! We talk to Stuart Sierra.
Chas Emerick - Podcast Episode 031
May 14, 2013 14:07 - 53 minutesThe Relevance Podcast is the precursor to the Cognicast. In this episode, we talk to Chas Emerick. You can find the original episode page here. Subscribing to The Cognicast The show is available on iTunes! You can also subscribe to the podcast using our podcast feed. You can send feedback about the show to [email protected], or leave a comment here on the blog. Thanks for listening! In this episode, we talk to Chas Emerick.
Jason Wolfe - Podcast Episode 030
May 07, 2013 14:15 - 55 minutesThe Relevance Podcast is the precursor to the Cognicast. In this episode, we talk to Jason Wolfe of Prismatic. You can find the original episode page here. Subscribing to The Cognicast The show is available on iTunes! You can also subscribe to the podcast using our podcast feed. You can send feedback about the show to [email protected], or leave a comment here on the blog. Thanks for listening! In this episode, we talk to Jason Wolfe of Prismatic.
Lake Denman - Podcast Episode 029
April 23, 2013 14:33 - 46 minutesThe Relevance Podcast is the precursor to the Cognicast. In this episode, we talk to Lake Denman. You can find the original episode page here. Subscribing to The Cognicast The show is available on iTunes! You can also subscribe to the podcast using our podcast feed. You can send feedback about the show to [email protected], or leave a comment here on the blog. Thanks for listening! In this episode, we talk to Lake Denman.
Ben Vandgrift - Podcast Episode 028
April 09, 2013 14:41 - 56 minutesThe Relevance Podcast is the precursor to the Cognicast. In this episode, we talk to Ben Vandgrift. You can find the original episode page here. Subscribing to The Cognicast The show is available on iTunes! You can also subscribe to the podcast using our podcast feed. You can send feedback about the show to [email protected], or leave a comment here on the blog. Thanks for listening! In this episode, we talk to Ben Vandgrift.
Tim Ewald - Podcast Episode 027
March 18, 2013 15:04 - 1 hourThe Relevance Podcast is the precursor to the Cognicast. In this episode, we talk to Tim Ewald about Pedestal. You can find the original episode page here. Subscribing to The Cognicast The show is available on iTunes! You can also subscribe to the podcast using our podcast feed. You can send feedback about the show to [email protected], or leave a comment here on the blog. Thanks for listening! In this episode, we talk to Tim Ewald about Pedestal.
Alex Redington - Podcast Episode 026
February 19, 2013 16:09 - 57 minutesThe Relevance Podcast is the precursor to the Cognicast. In this episode, we talk to Alex Redington. You can find the original episode page here. Subscribing to The Cognicast The show is available on iTunes! You can also subscribe to the podcast using our podcast feed. You can send feedback about the show to [email protected], or leave a comment here on the blog. Thanks for listening! In this episode, we talk to Alex Redington.
Alex Warr - Podcast Episode 025
January 29, 2013 18:09 - 54 minutesThe Relevance Podcast is the precursor to the Cognicast. In this episode, we talk to Alex Warr. You can find the original episode page here. Subscribing to The Cognicast The show is available on iTunes! You can also subscribe to the podcast using our podcast feed. You can send feedback about the show to [email protected], or leave a comment here on the blog. Thanks for listening! In this episode, we talk to Alex Warr.
i-Human - Podcast Episode 024
January 15, 2013 18:15 - 50 minutesAt Relevance, our mission is to help people solve hard problems through software. Most of the time, we do that through consulting. So it seemed well past time that we had one of our consulting clients on the show. And in my opinion we could not have made a better choice than Anne Tweet and Jay Patel of i-Human. We got a chance to talk not only about their experience working with us, but also about the really interesting software that they're building. I had a great time talking with them - I...