Zoo Logic
314 episodes - English - Latest episode: 23 days ago - ★★★★★ - 83 ratingsZoo Logic with animal trainer, zoo advocate, and ZOOmility author, Dr. Grey Stafford, is a weekly conversation with zoo, aquarium, and animal experts about Nature, wildlife, pets, animal training with positive reinforcement, health and welfare, research, conservation, and education, sustainability, zoo politics, activism and legislation, and all things animals! On Zoo Logic, we’ll go behind the scenes with animal professionals and influencers from around the world to explore the latest Zoos News and issues affecting wildlife, wild places, and people. Communicating with humor, cool stories, and candor, we’ll discover the interdependent connection between civilization, conservation, and commerce.
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Endangered Red Wolves
May 27, 2021 08:00 - 41 minutes - 39.8 MBFor over a decade, the Akron Zoo has been partnering with US Fish & Wildlife Service in their efforts to preserve critically endangered red wolves. Recently the zoo reported their first ever successful litter of red wolf pups. As part of the federal species recovery plan, some of the pups were transferred to the den of a wild wolf pair that had a litter within days of the zoo's births to be fostered and raised as wild wolves. That Sounds Wild: Red ruff lemur. Frank Buck Zoo Animal Care...
Veterinarians International
May 20, 2021 08:00 - 36 minutes - 35.4 MBAccording to their website, the mission of Veterinarians International is to provide veterinary aid and education to improve the health and well-being of animals and their communities worldwide. VI is a global network of veterinarians, animal welfare specialists and researchers who partner with local communities to improve the care and conservation of animals in need, both wild and domestic. Founder and president, Dr. Scarlett Magda and friend of the podcast, behaviorist and VI's new VP of...
Sustainable Water for Gorillas and People
May 13, 2021 08:00 - 33 minutes - 32.5 MBA visit to Africa can have a life-altering effect on those fortunate enough to make the trip. Following her first trip to see mountain gorillas in Rwanda and accompanied by notable animal experts Julie Scardina and Jungle Jack Hanna, Nancy Uslan founded NEUGlobal.com to help improve literacy in the central African nation. Realizing students were often missing school due to water borne illnesses, NEU Global's mission has since expanded to help bring clean and sustainable water to communities ...
Florida Coral Rescue Center
May 06, 2021 08:00 - 43 minutes - 41.8 MBFor the past several years, scientists have been tracking the stony coral tissue loss disease that is rapidly destroying corals as it spreads across the Florida Reef Tract. To preserve coral species, a consortium of public and private organizations has formed the Florida Coral Rescue Center (FCRC). The FCRC is the newest and largest member of a national network of coral holding facilities coordinated by the Association of Zoos and Aquariums. Jim Kinsler, SeaWorld aquarium curator and FCRC fa...
AMZAP: Increasing Minority Representation in Zoos
April 29, 2021 08:00 - 50 minutes - 48.3 MBAccording to its website, the newly launched Association of Minority Zoo & Aquarium Professionals (AMZAP) is comprised of professionals currently working in the zoological industry focused on minority representation in the zoo field across all disciplines and at all levels. Its goal is to build a sense of community amongst minorities currently working in the zoo field and to promote animal care and conservation careers as viable options for interested minorities. To achieve these objectives,...
How DO You Teach a Penguin to Swim?
April 22, 2021 08:00 - 47 minutes - 45.6 MBSeasoned zookeeper Rickey Kinley began his career as a high school student enrolled in a unique job training program in partnership with the Cincinnati Zoo. As a long time proponent of using operant conditioning as part of any animal management plan, he noticed the penguins in his care spent far less time swimming compared to the mostly aquatic lifestyle of their wild counterparts. Since excessive standing can lead to health issues like bumble-foot in some avian species, Rickey and his team ...
How to Succeed a Legend
April 15, 2021 08:00 - 58 minutes - 55.2 MBWhat better way to begin season 4 of Zoo Logic than a conversation with seasoned zoo trainer, educator and friend, Jim Nemet. After long careers at SeaWorld and Cleveland's Metroparks Zoo, Jim recently accepted the role of Director of Wildlife for the prestigious Cleveland Museum of Natural History-- a role previously held by a local legend for almost 50 years! How has a career training with positive reinforcement helped Jim manage change for the collection of animals and keepers he now le...
Zoo Fit
April 08, 2021 08:00 - 38 minutes - 36.9 MBLong time animal care professional PJ Beaven realized she would be unable to ensure the best welfare for the animals in her care if she didn't first prioritize her own mental and physical health and well-being. So using the same positive reinforcement principles of husbandry and training she learned to apply to animals, PJ created Zoo Fit. It's a process and lifestyle designed to "eat clean, live green, and train positive." Plus, we share a personal letter from the family of Jungle Jack H...
ZDR3: Zoo Disaster Response, Rescue, and Recovery
April 01, 2021 08:00 - 32 minutes - 31.7 MBAccording to its website, Zoo Disaster Response, Rescue, and Recovery (ZDR3) provides support to zoos, aquariums, sanctuaries, and other exotic animal businesses before, during, and after significant incidents. ZDR3 director, Julia Wagner, describes how this peer-to-peer support organization came to be as several facilities sent supplies and staff to aid others severely damaged in the wake of natural disasters like recent hurricanes That Sounds Wild: Baby Prairie Dogs Animal Care Softwar...
Bats Man!
March 25, 2021 08:00 - 39 minutes - 37.8 MBFor over 30 years, the Lubee Bat Conservancy has worked to preserve and protect bat species around the world. In addition to its conservation work, Lubee supports much-needed scientific research and public education on the importance of bats for insect control, pollination, and seed dispersal. Despite their fascinating behavior and physiology, these remarkable animals are increasingly under threat of extinction from a wide range of causes, not the least of which is the manner in which the mo...
On Thin Ice
March 18, 2021 08:00 - 54 minutes - 51.6 MBDr. Terrie Williams is a research physiologist with a passion for studying species, particularly large predators, found in some of the most extreme habitats on earth. Her work endeavors to understand the energy requirements these challenging conditions present, as well as, the unique behavioral and physiological adaptations that animals like polar bears, killer whales, and narwhals use to satisfy those demands. In an era of rapid climate change, this data is critical for preserving species a...
ZAA and the Big Cat Safety Bill
March 11, 2021 08:00 - 46 minutes - 44.7 MBThe executive director of the Zoological Association of America, John Seyjagat, describes the relatively young zoo and aquarium trade organization and its focus on improving animal welfare, inclusivity, and ensuring pubic safety around dangerous animals. Plus, he shares insights into the two current versions of what has become known as the "Big Cat Safety" bills making their way through Congress and why one version is much better than the other. In addition, Rachel Garner returns with a dee...
Houston, We Have a Solution
March 04, 2021 08:00 - 50 minutes - 48.3 MBConfronted by a largely ignored feral and unwanted pet problem in the major US city of Houston, zoological professional and marine mammal trainer, Heather Crane decided to do something about it. In her spare time, she started Sea Dog Animal Training to help desperate pet owners and rescue organizations rehabilitate some of the most difficult behavioral cases in her community using the very positive reinforcement-based principles she uses with sea lions and other exotic species. During a year...
Zoo Logic and Friends
February 25, 2021 08:00 - 59 minutes - 56.6 MBAs Zoo Logic wraps up its third season over the next few weeks, we invited several past guests representing the arts, science and research, and animal law to share their diverse perspectives on the past difficult year and what a new US administration might mean for public display, conservation, and future regulations. One theme to emerge was the narrative of "retiring" animals to sanctuaries and whether sending older animals to such facilities was truly based on the best welfare of animals o...
Loro Parque: No Retreat, No Surrender
February 18, 2021 08:00 - 40 minutes - 38.6 MBNearly 50 years old, Loro Parque has grown into one of the premier zoological parks in the world and is a major attraction of the Canary Islands. Known for its extensive in situ and ex situ conservation and research of avian species, particularly psittacines, Loro Parque and its foundation have saved some parrot species from extinction. Currently, it participates in over 200 conservation projects across the globe. Loro Parque continues to proudly, proactively, and unapologetically promote ...
Kong Zoo Enrichment Fundraiser Program
February 11, 2021 08:00 - 15 minutes - 16.6 MBKong Zoo is a new platform where animal professionals can realize significant savings for themselves and their animal facilities when purchasing enrichment items. As the name suggests, the company is focused on an underserved segment of the animal training and enrichment world: large zoological (and equine) species. Since its creation about a year ago, the company has introduced new, larger animal products with more styles and sizes under development. Recently, they launched a fundraiser as...
Walrus!
February 04, 2021 08:00 - 31 minutes - 30.8 MBResearchers Andreas Fahlman and Alicia Borque Espinosa return to discuss their latest respiratory physiology paper focusing on walrus. Relying on animals living and trained in managed care, the researchers were able to develop the necessary equipment to measure basic respirometry parameters for these semi-aquatic animals. As with all metabolic studies, it was important to work with calm animals desensitized to the presence of non-invasive equipment. Animals trained via operant conditioning t...
The Most Famous Guy in America Nobody Knows
January 28, 2021 08:00 - 58 minutes - 55.6 MBFew people working in the entertainment world can point to sea lions, walrus and otters being among their earliest co-stars like comedian Bill Sindelar can. How did growing up in Cleveland working alongside animal trainers and marine mammals in front of live audiences prepare him for a successful life-long career in Hollywood working on popular live competition, theatrical, and talk shows? And, what advice does the number one warm up guy in Los Angeles have to share with today's zoological ...
Liberty Wildlife
January 21, 2021 08:00 - 29 minutes - 28.5 MBFrom its humble beginnings on a one acre horse property 40 years ago rescuing and rehabilitating about 80 birds in its first year, Liberty Wildlife today has a modern medical and educational facility which treated and returned 12k wild, orphaned and/or injured birds last year. Education Coordinator, Laura Hackett describes the rich history of the facility, some of its long term resident ambassadors, and its rescue efforts' above average success rate. Plus, Liberty Wildlife is home to the onl...
Finding the Good in a Year of Bad
January 14, 2021 08:00 - 28 minutes - 28.5 MBWe are joined by the president and CEO of the Phoenix Zoo, Bert Castro, who is also the current board chair for the largest zoo and aquarium trade association in North America. How has his organization weathered the pandemic and its impact on staff health, attendance, revenues, and importantly, their extensive conservation efforts locally and internationally? What lessons does he think zoos and aquariums and their trade association (AZA) have learned in 2020 that can be carried forward for ...
Positive Reinforcement Effect on the User and Bottom Line
January 07, 2021 14:22 - 40 minutes - 39.2 MBFriends of the Zoo Logic Podcast, animal trainers and authors, Chuck Tompkins and Clicker Training's Ken Ramirez discuss the impact of using positive reinforcement on people. Each describes their own occasionally bumpy journey as young, inexperienced managers learning to tap into the individual motivations of their team members while also avoiding the management style errors of their predecessors. That Sounds Wild: Eurasian Eagle Owl. Cleveland Metroparks zoo. Animal Care Software Zo...
Save Giraffes Now
December 31, 2020 08:00 - 38 minutes - 36.8 MBWildlife biologist and president of the conservation organization, Save Giraffes Now, David O'Connor returns with the real life account of a recent rescue of endangered giraffes stranded on an island in Kenya as lake waters continue to rise. With support of Save Giraffes Now, its international partners, and the local community united in its concern for this group of animals, the team was able to safely and successfully coax two of about a half-dozen Rothschild's giraffes onto a barge which w...
A Rare 2020 Success Story: the New Mississippi Aquarium
December 24, 2020 08:00 - 50 minutes - 48.6 MBIt is difficult to launch a new zoological facility and major community resource under the best of times, much less during a global pandemic. That is exactly what the brand new Mississippi Aquarium in Gulfport did just a few months ago on the 15th anniversary of hurricane Katrina, the historic storm that leveled homes and businesses throughout much of the gulf coast. President and CEO Kurt Allen describes the building process, the economic revival that has already begun in large part to the...
Aloha, Jungle Jack Hanna
December 17, 2020 08:00 - 1 hour - 69.7 MBEarlier this year it was announced that former Columbus Zoo Director turned Emmy winning wildlife TV host, Jungle Jack Hanna was retiring from his busy zoological career. Who better then to discuss the life and conservation legacy he and his wife of over 50 years, Suzi, have built, than their eldest daughter, Kathaleen. What was it like growing up in a zoo surrounded by wild animals, a famous dad, and later working with him on camera? Plus, several of Jack's famous and not so famous friend...
A Wild Life and World
December 10, 2020 08:00 - 1 hour - 71.7 MBMany people dream of building their own zoo but few individuals ever make that childhood wish a reality. For nearly 40 years, Mickey Ollson has directed the zoological facility he founded known as Wildlife World Zoo. Today that zoo has grown from its original 40 acres and a few hundred animals to well over one hundred acres featuring a Safari Park and Arizona's first public aquarium. In total Wildlife World now houses over 500 species and thousands of individual birds, mammals, reptiles, and...
Bushfires Rescue
December 03, 2020 08:00 - 43 minutes - 41.5 MBLast year's historic and devastating fires in Australia may have resulted in billions of animals lost, including many listed as threatened or endangered species, across 12 million hectares of habitat. That's roughly equivalent to the area of Spain according to guest, Beau Peberdy, a former zoo professional turned wildlife rescuer involved with several rescue organizations. Beau works with Bushfire Wildlife Rescue Support to help caregivers throughout much of Australia obtain needed medical a...
Deserted: Ecocide on the Arizona Border
November 26, 2020 08:00 - 31 minutes - 30.4 MBRapid ecological destruction has been underway on the southern border of Arizona along some of the most pristine and inaccessible regions of the Sonoran desert. It isn't being done by poachers, crime syndicates, or undocumented immigrants. It's being done without serious public input, oversight, environmental impact studies, or objection by elected state and federal officials. Over the past 2 years, photographer, John Kurc, has been documenting the work of the Trump administration to build...
Marine Mammal Veterinary Scientist Dr. Sam Ridgway
November 19, 2020 08:00 - 48 minutes - 46.7 MBThe term pioneer is overused but how else to describe the person contributing to our basic understanding of cetacean health and husbandry, anatomy and physiology, and behavior for the past 60 years? In the early 1960's, Dr. Sam Ridgway became one of the architects of the US Navy's Marine Mammal Program. Trained first as an Air Force veterinarian, Dr Ridgway went on to earn his doctorate and has for decades collaborated with some of the world's most renown marine mammal researchers in the are...
The Rewards of Positive Training pt 2
November 12, 2020 08:00 - 39 minutes - 38.5 MBIt's part two of our discussion about modern behavioral training applications to improve animal husbandry and wildlife conservation with friends of Zoo Logic, large animal managers Erin Ivory, Chuck Tompkins and Ted Turner. Using examples from their work with animals in human care and in the wild, the trio downplay the role of rewards like food while stressing the importance of establishing strong relationships with large predatory and prey animals through creative, fun, and unpredictable co...
The Rewards of Positive Training
November 05, 2020 08:00 - 39 minutes - 38.5 MBFriends of Zoo Logic, large animal managers Erin Ivory, Chuck Tompkins and Ted Turner return to discuss success stories from 3 decades or more of positive reinforcement-based training principles utilized with zoological and domestic species. The trio downplay the role of rewards like food while stressing the importance of establishing strong relationships with large predatory and prey animals through creative, fun, and unpredictable consequences. That Sounds Wild: Beaver pup. Animal Care...
Zoos Preserving Endangered Island Iguanas
October 29, 2020 08:00 - 31 minutes - 31.1 MBThe Fort Worth Zoo has been focused on preserving threatened and endangered iguana species in their native ranges for many years. Recently, they announced the successful hatching of 2 endangered Grand Cayman iguanas as part of a multi-institutional cooperative effort to boost healthy and genetically diverse populations of these animals, both in human care and in restored habitats. Remarkably, fewer than 10 of these individuals remained in the wild 20 years ago. Today, thanks to the work of ...
IUCN Plan to Save Small Cetaceans
October 22, 2020 08:00 - 37 minutes - 36.6 MBAccording to their press release, a new report published in recent weeks by the International Union for Conservation of Nature (IUCN) calls for a broader, more integrated approach to the conservation of small cetaceans, particularly dolphins and porpoises. Many species and populations that are only found close to human activities are quickly declining due to known but unsolved problems – primarily accidental drowning in fishing gillnets. The report recommends urgent actions for several spec...
Escape From Extinction
October 15, 2020 13:41 - 36 minutes - 35.8 MBAmerican Humane’s new groundbreaking documentary, Escape from Extinction, narrated by Academy Award winner Helen Mirren, showcases the critical efforts certified zoos and aquariums are undertaking to preserve millions of species on the verge of disappearing forever. As the first pro-zoo-and-aquarium documentary of its kind, the film takes viewers on a dramatic trip around the world and through time to explore the roots of the wholesale disappearance of species in our forests and oceans, desc...
The Frozen Zoo
October 08, 2020 08:00 - 39 minutes - 38.2 MBThe San Diego Zoo Global's Institute for Conservation Research maintains what is called the frozen zoo. For decades, carefully collected and prepared cell samples from over 1000 species, many of them listed as threatened or endangered and nearing extinction, have been stored almost indefinitely in ultra cold freezers. Recently, the frozen zoo played an instrumental role in the successful cloning of an endangered Przewalski's Horse by providing the genetic material from a long deceased yet u...
Successful Cloning of an Endangered Species
October 01, 2020 08:00 - 37 minutes - 36.6 MBRecently, historic news of the successful birth of an endangered Przewalski's Horse foal conceived through cloning technology was announced. Remarkably, the nuclear material used for the purpose of expanding the genetic diversity of this managed species was from a genetically underrepresented stallion that has been deceased for many years. The stallion's DNA had been preserved at what is colloquially called the Frozen Zoo located at the San Diego Zoo Global's Institute for Conservation Resea...
Environmental Journalist Jeremy Hance
September 24, 2020 08:00 - 41 minutes - 40.4 MBLong time journalist for the popular environmental news website Mongabay.com, Jeremy Hance has a new book entitled, Baggage: Confessions of a Globe Trotting Hypochondriac. In it, he openly and sometimes humorously describes his own struggles with mental illness including anxiety and depression as a child and how his later in life diagnosis of OCD affected and informed his work as a world traveling environmental journalist. Despite the challenges and opportunities his condition presents, Jere...
Animal Welfare and Software
September 17, 2020 08:00 - 41 minutes - 40.2 MBDr. Isabella Clegg is an ethologist researching animal welfare, particularly in cetaceans, and developing species assessments in zoological settings. David Kleven is a zoo animal professional and founder of Animal Care Software. Together, they developed a new animal welfare assessment software module that caregivers can use other mobile devices in the field and in real time. The goal is to have customized data collection and analysis to better understand the welfare needs of animals at the s...
What Species Are Most Vulnerable to COVID-19?
September 10, 2020 08:00 - 39 minutes - 38.3 MBResearchers at UC Davis published a paper recently describing through computational methods the relative risk of COVID-19 infection to over 400 species examined. Nearly half of the species studied are listed as threatened or endangered. Some of the animals found to be most at risk were not too surprising, such as endangered Old World apes. Still others, particularly reptiles and birds, represent a lower risk. Our guests, Dr. Yvonne Nadler from the USDA funded ZAHP Fusion Center and Dr. Domin...
The Future of Zoos and Aquariums (part 2)
September 03, 2020 08:00 - 39 minutes - 38.5 MBIt's part two of our conversation about the future with zoo and aquarium thought leaders from the Denver Zoo, Indianapolis Zoo, Dolphin Discovery, and Karen Pryor Clicker Training. Coinciding with the news that at least 1 major aquarium has decided to close public operations temporarily to reassess its business model in a COVID-19 reality, our panel looks at revenue streams and the need for greater creativity going forward. They also stress the need for organizations to put trade association...
The Future of Zoos and Aquariums (part 1)
August 27, 2020 08:00 - 35 minutes - 34.1 MBFollowing our conversation with futurist Bob Johansen last week, we assembled a panel of zoo and aquarium thought leaders with diverse backgrounds, interests and organizations, to get their views on what the future may hold for zoological facilities and professionals. Topics include: sharing how they adapted their guest experience, infrastructure, and staffing roles to address the challenges presented by the COVID-19 pandemic upon reopening; the re-focus on smaller, personal interactions amo...
Full-Spectrum Thinking with Futurist Bob Johansen
August 20, 2020 08:00 - 56 minutes - 52.4 MBGiven the globally disruptive challenges presented by COVID-19, zoos, aquariums, and the conservation and research organizations they support are in serious financial jeopardy. So to help sort out a robust pathway forward, we sought the assistance of renowned futurist, Dr. Bob Johansen from the Institute for the Future. In his latest book, he describes the importance of a Full-Spectrum Thinking mindset to avoid the brain's tendency towards rigid categorical thinking. With the next decade exp...
How Do You Solve a Problem Like Hvaldimir? A Conversation with Lindsay Rubincam
August 13, 2020 08:00 - 1 hour - 72.2 MBMore than a year after his arrival in the waters of Norway, Hvaldimir, a trained beluga whale is surviving on his own while still seeking the company of his human family. Whether it's sleeping under maintenance boats at fish farms or engaging with people in crowded waterways, Hvaldimir may be living free in the open ocean but he's anything but wild. Marine mammal expert Lindsay Rubincam shares how a social media network tracking his whereabouts is helping a team of volunteers insure his futu...
How Do You Solve a Problem Like Hvaldimir?
August 13, 2020 08:00 - 1 hour - 72.2 MBMore than a year after his arrival in the waters of Norway, Hvaldimir, a trained beluga whale is surviving on his own while still seeking the company of his human family. Whether it's sleeping under maintenance boats at fish farms or engaging with people in crowded waterways, Hvaldimir may be living free in the open ocean but he's anything but wild. Marine mammal expert Lindsay Rubincam shares how a social media network tracking his whereabouts is helping a team of volunteers insure his futu...
Proactive Aggression Management Using Positive Reinforcement
August 06, 2020 08:00 - 1 hour - 88.6 MBAnimal training experts Chuck Tompkins and Ted Turner return for a third installment on behavioral principles to discuss how operant conditioning using positive reinforcement in managed care can prevent and at minimum reduce the frequency and intensity of aggressive behaviors directed at other animals, caregivers, or the immediate environment. The goal is not to react to or try to suppress aggressive responses after they have happened as traditional punishment-based training often calls for,...
Rising Tide Conservation
July 30, 2020 08:00 - 34 minutes - 47.7 MBRenowned veterinary pathologist and researcher, Dr. Judy St. Leger is the president of Rising Tide Conservation. According to its website, Rising Tide Conservation is dedicated to developing and promoting aquaculture of marine ornamental fish species through the collaborative efforts of researchers, public aquaria, hobbyists, pet industry professionals, and conservation groups. Rising Tide Conservation facilitates sustainability in the aquarium industry by supporting marine ornamental fish a...
Correcting the Narrative
July 23, 2020 08:00 - 1 hour - 117 MBThis special episode features a series of panel presentations based on recently published peer-reviewed papers about dolphin life expectancy, orca longevity, cetacean dive physiology, and two rebuttals of Marino et al 2019. Panelists Kelly Jaakkola, Kevin Willis, Andreas Fahlman, Heather Hill, Kathleen Dudzinski, & Jason Bruck present data, as well as, commentary on a case study example of a published paper on orca welfare that never should have cleared the peer-review process. Our panel of ...
Pacific Marine Mammal Center
July 16, 2020 08:00 - 35 minutes - 50.8 MBFriend of the podcast, Dr. Hendrik Nollens describes his new role as VP of Conservation Medicine and Science at the Pacific Marine Mammal Center. In addition to responding to marine mammal stranding events along the entire coastline of Orange County, the PMMC has an ongoing role in public education, original wildlife research, as well as, assisting wild animals, particularly large cetaceans, entangled by ropes and other fishing debris. Dr. Nollens sees advancements in veterinary medicine and...
A Conversation About Race and Zoos
July 09, 2020 08:00 - 47 minutes - 67.1 MBModern zoos and aquariums are agents for positive change. Through conservation, public education, in situ and ex situ research, and the display of amazing animals, zoological facilities inspire people of all ages to care about the well-being of wildlife and wild places. Still, it doesn't take one long to realize that these organizations so dedicated to preserving biodiversity are, in fact, not all that diverse in terms of their workforce, especially across animal-related departments and occu...
Humanism vs. Behavior Management
July 02, 2020 08:00 - 1 hour - 47.5 MBOur recent episode on the Least Reinforcing Scenario (#113) set download records and elicited so much feedback from listeners that we invited long time animal training experts Chuck Tompkins and Ted Turner back to discuss other controversial operant conditioning terms and topics. The Intermediate Bridge and End of Session signal are two such concepts about which few behavior training professionals are ambivalent. Chuck and Ted reflect on the validity of these concepts and warn trainers again...
Pittsburgh Zoo's Dr. Barbara Baker
June 25, 2020 08:00 - 24 minutes - 18.9 MBDr. Barbara Baker the president and CEO of the Pittsburgh Zoo and PPG Aquarium for thirty years spoke at the Alliance of Marine Mammal Parks and Aquariums annual meeting in February (just as the COVID-19 pandemic was arriving in the United States) as part of a panel discussion made up of leaders of major zoological organizations from around the world. She also serves as the Board Chair for the trade association known as the Zoological Association of America. Dr. Baker shares her insights on...