In the second part of this two-part conversation, Ute Behrendt and Paulette Waltz continue talking about Ute's journey with plant medicines, specifically her experience with one lineage. The conversation continues with the exploration of the internal processes while in plant medicine ceremonies and the weaving of different healing modalities in ceremony and in life.

Excerpt from this episode: "...to be seen and understood, you know, in times where it's a lot of confusion, because transformation also means confusion. Because when all this structure gets loose and shaken up, there are there are moments where you don't know who you are, you don't know what to do You don't know what is real and what is not real. And you don't know, do I have a perspective? Do I want to have a perspective? Do I want to have a view? Now? There's a lot of confusion in that times. It's important. Someone who understands."

"And working with the same plants gave me like a space and somehow a connection where you know, I didn't change lineages. I didn't change plants. Let's say I had this energetic field where I'm held and I'm in a lineage. There so much I see in a way like memories stored of knowledge and of teachings and also being in the world from mainly one tree. I mean the tree was the world of the tree was and is holding me and all the teachings and all the washing cleansing through...  and the lineage were working with they are very very famous and well-known and well-respected and they had all their ancestors they were onayas and morayas onayas are the one who knows and the morayas are the highest as far as I know the highest spiritualists in the shipibo tradition they say they are not any more living here on Earth. So there through the Icaro through the work from my maestros, I think I was I was and I am held in a very safe energetic field. And this is what is guiding me what is protecting me what is in interaction with me all the time."

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