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S2:E7 - The Jesus Way with Mark Scandrette

March 09, 2022 03:45 - 30 minutes - 51 MB

Mark Scandrette is an internationally recognized expert in practical spiritual formation. He is the founding director of ReIMAGINE: A Center for Integral Christian Practice, where he leads an annual series of retreats, workshops and projects designed to help participants apply spiritual wisdom to everyday life. His multidisciplinary studies in applied psychology, family health and theology have shaped his approach to learning and transformation. He is on the creative team for the 9 Beats Col...

S3:E7 - The Jesus Way with Mark Scandrette

March 09, 2022 03:45 - 30 minutes - 51 MB

Mark Scandrette is an internationally recognized expert in practical spiritual formation. He is the founding director of ReIMAGINE: A Center for Integral Christian Practice, where he leads an annual series of retreats, workshops and projects designed to help participants apply spiritual wisdom to everyday life. His multidisciplinary studies in applied psychology, family health and theology have shaped his approach to learning and transformation. He is on the creative team for the 9 Beats Col...

S3:E6 The Wisdom of Our Bodies with Hillary L. McBride, PhD

February 23, 2022 02:36 - 43 minutes - 67.4 MB

In evangelical culture we receive a lot of messages about the body being bad. We’re told to control our bodies and deny our flesh, but as we’ll learn in this episode, that’s actually anti Christian. Featuring Dr. Hillary McBride and discussing her book The Wisdom of Your Body. Contact Tears of Eden [email protected] Support Uncertain & Tears of Eden Hillary L. McBride (PhD, University of British Columbia) is a registered psychologist, an award-winning researcher, and a sought-afte...

S3:E5 Love (really does) Make Room with Staci Frenes

February 16, 2022 03:19 - 43 minutes - 70.2 MB

Staci Frenes is an author, songwriter, and speaker. Her book, Love Makes Room, shares her journey to love her daughter, when her daughter disclosed that she was gay. Contact Tears of Eden [email protected] Support Uncertain & Tears of Eden

S3:E4 - Processing Spiritual Abuse with Drs. Lover & Rogers

January 26, 2022 02:20 - 54 minutes - 92.4 MB

This is our final episode of Spiritual Abuse Awareness Month. Thank you so much for listening, for sharing, and for participating. This is not the final time we will be discussing Spiritual Abuse, but We’re so glad we got some extra space to bring awareness to this very important subject. This episode features The Reverend Doctor Agnes M. Lover and Gimel Rogers, Psy.D Contact Tears of Eden [email protected] Support Uncertain & Tears of Eden Gimel Rogers, Psy.D., ABPP is a licen...

S3:E3 - Talking to People About Spiritual Abuse with Amy Fritz

January 19, 2022 02:24 - 48 minutes - 76.9 MB

Spiritual Abuse Awareness Month

S3:E2 - Power and Control in Spiritual Abuse with Connie Baker

January 12, 2022 02:25 - 1 hour - 98 MB

Spiritual Abuse Awareness Month

S3:E1 - When is it Spiritual Abuse? with Laura Barringer

January 05, 2022 02:07 - 35 minutes - 60.1 MB

Spiritual Abuse Awareness Month

Season 3 Trailer

December 08, 2021 15:00 - 1.3 MB

Transcript: I’m Katherine Spearing and this is Uncertain. And this is also the trailer for season 3, coming in January 2022. But first, a quick recap: in season 1 we spent our time addressing little-discussed subjects related to the church, many of those subjects had to do with abuse, and toxic systems that make abuse possible. In season 2 we added artists to the conversation. Artists are the truth speakers, those accurately naming the present and envisioning where we could be in the ...

S2:E25 - Confessions of a Christian Parent with Ginny Barker

September 29, 2021 02:07 - 47 minutes - 76.3 MB

It is the final episode in season two and it is basically a conversation between a parent, Ginny Barker, who raised her kids in the height of the culture wars and Katherine, who grew up in the height of the culture wars. If you’re unfamiliar with the culture wars, a very brief explanation is the era of evangelicalism that was hell-bent on protecting their kids from being corrupted by the world. This led to a rise in Christian schools, homeschooling, and basically became the glory days of the...

S2:E24 – Reclaiming Faith with Kat Armas

September 22, 2021 01:46 - 40 minutes - 66.6 MB

Kat Armas is the author of Aubelita Faith. In this episode, we discuss reclaiming faith and the bible from colonization and patriarchy. We also discuss how some of the greatest theologians are found in the places we’d least expect. Follow her on twitter @kat_armas Abuelita Faith tells the story of unnamed and overlooked theologians in society and in the Bible--mothers, grandmothers, sisters, and daughters--whose survival, strength, resistance, and persistence teach us the true power of fait...

S2:E23-Dance and Trauma with Kim Gower

September 15, 2021 03:05 - 40 minutes - 66 MB

Today’s guest is Kim Gower, a dancing professional who is studying how dance can help people navigate trauma. We also discuss purity culture and ask the question, why does the church seem to fear the body so much? Ideas for Podcast Register for Gala Contact Tears of Eden [email protected] Support Uncertain & Tears of Eden Support the Gala

S2: E22 - Cussing, Smoking, & Tattoos with Holy Heretics and The Space Between Podcasts

September 08, 2021 03:18 - 46 minutes - 83.1 MB

Today, we have a fun episode. Uncertain and the hosts for the Holy Heretics podcast and the Space Between UK podcast had a lot of fun recording it and hope you have fun listening. So here’s our episode discussing how things like smoking, and cussing, and tattoos became things the evangelical community sometimes uses to assess someone’s spiritual maturity. In true Uncertain podcast fashion, we didn’t record this in an effort to find all the answers. Sometimes, you just have to ask the quest...

S2: Bonus Responding to Joshua Harris & “The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill” with New Evangelicals and Holy Heretics Podcast

August 25, 2021 02:42 - 1 hour - 103 MB

You may have heard about the podcast “The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill”. It’s a podcast mini series gaining popularity and it chronicles the story of Mark Driscoll and Mars Hill church. It’s a story of systemic spiritual abuse, and I definitely recommend it. However, the bonus episode that came out last week added problematic elements to the conversation, including a misunderstand of the devastation caused by spiritual abuse. Uncertain and a couple other podcasters, Melanie Mudge...

S2: E21 – Religious Trauma? Or Spiritual Abuse? with Brian Peck

August 18, 2021 02:58 - 48 minutes - 85.1 MB

Here is the much requested audio from the Instagram Live (7/16/2021) with Brian Peck where we discuss the difference between Religious Trauma and Spiritual Abuse. Follow Uncertain on Instagram @uncertainpodcast Follow Brian Peck @roomtothrive Contact Tears of Eden [email protected] Support Uncertain & Tears of Eden Support the Gala

S2:E20 -Narcissism with Nikki G and Libby Davis

August 11, 2021 02:00 - 1 hour - 126 MB

Libby Davis and Nikki G are two wonderful individuals who have been studying narcissism after their own painful encounters. They now work to help others recover from these very damaging relationships. Nikki’s Instagram: @abeautifulmind1818 Libby’s Instagram: @libbyludavis Dr. Ramani Contact Tears of Eden [email protected] Support Uncertain & Tears of Eden Support the Gala

S2:E19 – The Divine Feminine with Heather Lawrence

August 04, 2021 14:20 - 1 hour - 147 MB

Here is a lovely conversation with Heather Lawrence. Mystic, priesthood pursuing, podcast host of the Chickmonks podcast, where she explores theology through a uniquely female lens. There’s some deep stuff in the episode, but also lots of fun. Conversation discusses Spiritual Abuse, art, feminism, sex, and the divine feminine. And because Heather and Katherine both pursued careers in church ministry, they both want the church to do better, which is what Uncertain is all about. Contact Te...

S2:E18 - Unmasking Biblical Womanhood with Beth Allison Barr

July 28, 2021 02:18 - 46 minutes - 71.1 MB

Today’s guest is Beth Allison Barr, author of The Making of Biblical Womanhood: How the Subjugation of Women Became Gospel Truth. Beth Allison Barr received her B.A. from Baylor University and her M.A. and Ph.D. in Medieval History from the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. Her research focuses on women and religion in medieval and early modern England, especially in how they are viewed and portrayed in sermon literature. The conversation about the subjugation of women in the ch...

S2: E17 - An Artist Redeems the Trauma with Makoto Fujimura

July 21, 2021 03:53 - 52 minutes - 85.7 MB

Makoto Fujimura is a leading contemporary artist whose process driven, refractive “slow art” has been described by David Brooks of New York Times as “a small rebellion against the quickening of time”. Robert Kushner, in the mid 90’s, wrote on Fujimura’s art in Art in America this way: “The idea of forging a new kind of art, about hope, healing, redemption, refuge, while maintaining visual sophistication and intellectual integrity is a growing movement, one which finds Makoto Fujimura’s work ...

S2: E16 - UnBenching Half the Players: Liberating Women in the Vocation of Ministry

July 14, 2021 02:09 - 54 minutes - 88.9 MB

This episode’s guests are Regan Williams and Rebecca Morgan, addressing the unique challenges faced by female pastors and women in vocations of ministry. Though it’s a tough subject, this episode is encouraging and hope filled. Contact Tears of Eden [email protected] Support Uncertain & Tears of Eden Support the Gala

S2: E15 - Wicked Pastor of the Midwest Part 3: Behind the Curtain

June 02, 2021 04:39 - 32 minutes - 56.2 MB

On the third and final part of Wicked Pastor of the Midwest, we’ll pull back the curtain on systemic abuse of power. We’ll also look at how the media played a role in shifting the ruling in the Central Indiana Presbytery. Former Members of Hope Presbyterian Allege Abuse, Coverup Former Members of Indiana Church Accuse Pastor of Sexual Abuse & Presbytery of Covering it Up Central Indian Presbytery Public Statement Abuse in Churches Part 1 with Mike Sloan Abuse in Churches Part 2 with...

S2: E14 - Wicked Pastor of the Midwest Part 2: Lions, Tigers, and Bears with Kara Million & Abigail Harris

May 26, 2021 03:32 - 44 minutes - 67.4 MB

Kara and Abigail, and Kara’s husband, Chris, decide to file a formal complaint against Dan with the regional presbytery (ecclesial governing body of the PCA). But they soon realize what is designed to be a just system was anything but… CBE Article Faith and Feminism Podcast Episode Contact Tears of Eden [email protected] Support Uncertain & Tears of Eden

S2:E13 - Wicked Pastor of the Midwest Part 1: Flying Monkeys with Kara Million & Abigail Harris

May 19, 2021 02:30 - 50 minutes - 85.9 MB

Everything was fine at Hope Presbyterian—then the lead pastor started behaving strangely toward Kara Million. Months later, she heard from Abigail Harris, another member of the church, that she’d experienced the same troubling behavior. Soon the two women—who both had been targets of the pastor’s sexual pursuits—realized this was a pattern… Resources mentioned in this article: CBE Article Faith and Feminism Podcast Episode Contact Tears of Eden [email protected] Support Uncerta...

S2: Bonus “I Just Want Real Friends” Podcast Collaborative

May 18, 2021 19:45 - 46 minutes - 85.7 MB

What happens when a group of podcast hosts and co-hosts gather together to talk about community during deconstruction? Well, you're about to find out, because we recorded it. Check it out! Holy Heretics The Postmodern Fish The Space Between Dismantle Podcast The New Evangelicals Support Uncertain & Tears of Eden Contact Tears of Eden [email protected]

S2:E12 When Shepherds Eat the Sheep with Aimee Byrd

May 12, 2021 03:46 - 53 minutes - 84 MB

Today’s guest is Aimee Byrd . Her books include Recovering from Biblical Manhood and Womanhood, Why Can’t We Be Friends, and No Little Women. On April 5th, Aimee wrote an Open Letter to the OPC on Abuse, addressing abuse in the OPC. Specifically the way the leadership was handling it. This interview will specifically address that letter and the abuse and public slandering Aimee experienced that led to her writing it. Support Uncertain & Tears of Eden Contact Tears of Eden tearsofeden....

S2:E11 - Journey of Love & Racial Justice with Cara Meredith

April 28, 2021 03:30 - 39 minutes - 64.5 MB

Cara Meredith’s first book, The Color of Life: A Journey Toward Love and Justice, published in February 2019 (Zondervan), and is a spiritual memoir about her journey as a white woman into issues of justice, race and privilege. She has been writing professionally since 2013, and prior to that, she worked as a a high school English teacher and then a non-profit outreach ministry director before obtaining a Masters of Theology (Fuller Seminary). Now, in addition to being a freelance journalist...

S2:E10 - A Dancer Finds Her Voice with Jamie Marino

April 21, 2021 02:49 - 35 minutes - 56.1 MB

This episode features Jamie Marino, choreographer and dance teacher, and former professional dancer. We discuss embodiment and storytelling through dance. This episode represents the reason art is so important for the church and healing and moving forward. Ruth St. Denis: “I see dance being used as communication between body and soul to express what is too deep to find for words.” Exodus 31:3-4 The Holy spirit who gives artistic expression and Moses was a prophet, but the tabernacle n...

S2:E9 - A Singer Writes Wounds Back Together with Ben Grace

April 14, 2021 03:52 - 38 minutes - 63.5 MB

This episode features musician and songwriter Ben Grace. We talk Spiritual Abuse, cover a bit of the history of evangelicalism, and discuss how art has been, and is, a powerful healing medium. https://www.bengracemusic.com/about Support Uncertain & Tears of Eden Contact Tears of Eden [email protected]

S2:E8 - Addressing the Church on AAPI Hate with Patti Hahn

April 07, 2021 01:49 - 35 minutes - 62.5 MB

TW: potentially difficult content Watch the service where Patti gives her address HERE Patti Hann is the Children’s Ministry Director at Atlanta Westside. This episode contains the address she made to her church following the shootings in Atlanta on March 16th, as well as a follow up interview with Katherine. Support Uncertain & Tears of Eden Contact Tears of Eden [email protected]

S2:E7 - A Filmmaker Tells an Old Story Through a New Lens with Ryan D. Dobson

March 24, 2021 03:30 - 1 day - 76.7 MB

Ryan Daniel Dobson is a filmmaker based in Los Angeles, the writer/director of the feature film HOSEA, the founder of REVIVED transformed vintage clothing, and producer/writer of the narrative podcast THE THICKET. After studying theology in college, Ryan turned his attention to the entertainment industry with a focus on marrying theological and philosophical concepts to powerful visual storytelling. In addition to HOSEA, he has written and directed several award-winning short films, featur...

S2:E6 - Why We Silence Victims with Tiffany Bluhm

March 17, 2021 03:17 - 51 minutes - 83 MB

Tiffany Bluhm is the author of Prey Tell: Why We Silence Women Who Tell the Truth and How Everyone Can Speak Up. We discuss Ravi Zacharias, benevolent sexism, the Billy Graham Rule, purity culture, the silencing of victims, and so much more! Support Uncertain & Tears of Eden Contact Tears of Eden [email protected]

S2:E6 - Why We Silence Women with Tiffany Bluhm

March 17, 2021 03:17 - 51 minutes - 83 MB

Tiffany Bluhm is the author of Prey Tell: Why We Silence Women Who Tell the Truth and How Everyone Can Speak Up. We discuss Ravi Zacharias, benevolent sexism, the Billy Graham Rule, purity culture, the silencing of victims, and so much more! Support Uncertain & Tears of Eden Contact Tears of Eden [email protected]

S2:E5 - A Musician Takes a Risk with Temitope

March 10, 2021 05:31 - 36 minutes - 64.2 MB

Learn more about Temitope Follow him on instagram @iamtemitope Support Uncertain & Tears of Eden Contact Tears of Eden [email protected]

S2:E4 -The Story Arc of a Theologian Turned Comedian Turned Screenwriter with Tyler Greene

February 24, 2021 04:27 - 35 minutes - 56 MB

S1:S17 Bad Art, Bad Religion Tyler’s Proposal Video Support Uncertain & Tears of Eden Contact Tears of Eden [email protected]

S2:E3 - A Songwriter Explores the Darker Psalms with Alex McKee

February 17, 2021 03:34 - 37 minutes - 58.6 MB

Interview with songwriter Alex McKee, discussing his latest project turning the darker psalms into music. follow him on Instagram @i.amtheband Support Uncertain & Tears of Eden Contact Tears of Eden [email protected]

S2:E2 - A Poet Gives Words to Pain with Mazaré

February 03, 2021 04:52 - 26 minutes - 37.2 MB

mazare.bandcamp.com Where is God in the Natural Disaster Bright Red Bag Wreck What You Know Support Uncertain & Tears of Eden Contact Tears of Eden [email protected] Intro Music: Dark Walk, Kevin McLeod

S2:E2 A Poet Gives Words to Pain with Mazaré Rogers

February 03, 2021 04:52 - 26 minutes - 37.2 MB

mazare.bandcamp.com Where is God in the Natural Disaster Bright Red Bag Wreck What You Know Support Uncertain & Tears of Eden Contact Tears of Eden [email protected] Intro Music: Dark Walk, Kevin McLeod

S2:E1 - I Know About Abuse in My Church. Now What? with Julie Roys

January 27, 2021 05:00 - 46 minutes - 76.1 MB

Julie Roys is a journalist who has become a voice for victims by challenging injustice in Christian environments. She has a lot of experience reporting on situations of abuse in churches and was our guest this episode to advise those of us who want to come forward about abuse—we just don’t know how. Resources mentioned in this episode: DONATE to support Tears of Eden and the Uncertain podcast The WartBurg Watch The Elephants Debt Cover-Up in the Kingdom: Phone Sex, Lies, And God's Gr...

Season 2 Trailer

January 20, 2021 15:05 - 2 minutes - 5.44 MB

Asking questions. Imagining the world that could be. Finding our Voice. Inspiration. Creating Space. Inviting. Commenting on society. Provoking thought. This is what the Uncertain Podcast is all about. So of course artists need to be a part of this conversation… Season 2 begins Wednesday, January 27th. Sign up for the mailing list and you’ll be the first to find out when new episodes drop, receive occasional bonus content, and get behind-the-scenes info.

Episode 24 - The Church, Abuse of Power, and Jesus with Diane Langberg

December 16, 2020 06:24 - 48 minutes - 73.9 MB

Season Finale

Bonus Episode - Tears at Christmas

December 12, 2020 03:43 - 25 minutes - 48.1 MB

This is a special Christmas message for those who find the holidays difficult. Sometimes, when we’re grieving loss or recovering from trauma, the glaring lights and joyful songs of Advent can be an affront to how we’re feeling. Sometimes, we just can’t wait for the holidays to be over. Enjoy this special Christmas message just for you… Promising Relationship by Kevin MacLeod Link: https://incompetech.filmmusic.io/song/4246-stoic-morning License: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/

Episode 23 - When Bad People Do Good Things (Uncut)

December 09, 2020 03:15 - 38 minutes - 62.8 MB

discussing Rankin Wilbourne and Jean Vanier

Episode 23 - When Bad People Do Good Things (Uncut) with Keanu Heydari

December 09, 2020 03:15 - 38 minutes - 62.8 MB

discussing Rankin Wilbourne and Jean Vanier

Episode 22 - Embracing Your Sexuality When You’re Not Having Sex

December 02, 2020 05:43 - 58 minutes - 94.5 MB

As we’ve been addressing sex and sexuality on the Uncertain Podcast, we’ve also been addressing purity culture—a movement that’s lead to secrecy, shame, and misinformation about sex and sexuality. Because of its use of God and the Bible to motivate with fear and shame, this can definitely fall into the category of Spiritual Abuse. You can catch up on the discussion so far by visiting tearsofeden.org/purity-culture, and listening to Episode 20 The Sex Education You Never Got with Kim Cavill ...

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