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From the editors of TulsaPeople Magazine, Tulsa's award-winning city magazine. 

 Every other Wednesday we go About Town to share audio reports, behind-the-scenes stories and more in episodes that run 10-15 minutes.

Archived on this channel are more than 100 episodes of Tulsa Talks, which are in-depth conversations with notable Tulsans. 

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Bonus episode: Connie Cronley reads October's column

October 29, 2023 15:00 - 6 minutes - 4.38 MB

Hear TulsaPeople's Musings columnist Connie Cronley read her October piece, plus a farewell from host Blayklee Freed. Read more: Any fool can do it

Steph Simon details Dreamland Festival ahead of the Nov. 2-4 event

October 25, 2023 17:00 - 14 minutes - 9.99 MB

Hear from hip-hop aficionado Steph Simon as Dreamland Festival approaches, as well as his latest projects with his own music and teaching young artists at McLain High School.

October's issue includes 44 ways to explore downtown Tulsa

October 11, 2023 19:00 - 7 minutes - 5.49 MB

Hear a rundown of October's features, plus an inside look at Host Blayklee Freed's story on local artist Trueson Daugherty's events that promote community and creativity. Read more: Urban playground: There’s so much to do and see downtown. Here are some TulsaPeople editor favorites Troubled waters: Testing shows extremely high levels of bacteria and the fish population is decreasing in the Arkansas River as the City eyes Labor Day 2024 opening for Zink Dam The new Tulsa tone: Get to know...

Tulsa State Fair facts, Connie reads her lamentations

September 27, 2023 15:00 - 7 minutes - 5.44 MB

We're looking forward to the fair and have some details on music and other live performances. Plus, Connie reads "Hello, I must be going." Read more: What the ale: Heirloom Rustic Ale's Morning Devotion is beer of the week Tulsa 10: Sept. 25 - Oct. 1 Awesome rides, food and fun: A guide to Tulsa State Fair, Sept. 28 – Oct. 8

September issue highlights trailblazing Tulsa women, plus a look inside a local honey farm

September 13, 2023 16:00 - 7 minutes - 5 MB

In addition to an overview of September's issue honoring Tulsa women, hear how the queen bee at Roark Farms operates her hive, courtesy of handler Michael Roark and reporter Tiffany Howard. Power players: Meet the women shaping Tulsa's public relations landscape A century of civic engagement: League of Women Voters of Metropolitan Tulsa celebrates 100 years Picture perfect: Gathering Place photo contest Legends: JoAnn Gilford, education trailblazer Bee-hind the scenes: Local honey farm ...

Performing arts and education, plus Connie reads August's 'letter to a niece'

August 23, 2023 16:00 - 8 minutes - 5.78 MB

As summer winds down, we look ahead to a season of shows at local venues. Connie Cronley reads "Another letter to a niece (who hates her neighbors)." More from this episode: Weathering the storms: TPS Superintendent Deborah Gist on fighting for her students and the future of public education City on stage: There’s a wealth of talent in this year’s performing arts guide Scenes from a Mercury Lounge Bluegrass Brunch featuring Johnny Mullenax Band Music listings

Tulsa Public Schools stories, including a Q&A with Superintendent Deb Gist, from August's issue

August 09, 2023 16:00 - 10 minutes - 7.11 MB

Host Blayklee Freed talks with Features Editor Tim Landes to discuss his multiple interviews with local educators. Plus, career-ready programs have been building students' skills and preparing them for a robust future. Weathering the storms: TPS Superintendent Deborah Gist on fighting for her students and the future of public education Skills to build on: How 4 local high schools prepare students for careers after graduation City on stage: There’s a wealth of talent in this year’s perform...

Comedy and community with Evan Hughes

July 26, 2023 20:00 - 14 minutes - 9.87 MB

Local comedian Evan Hughes performs around Tulsa and hosts monthly shows that he curates with comics of all skill levels. Hughes is performing this weekend at Blue Whale Comedy Festival. Plus, Connie Cronley reads her July column.  Tulsa 10 Blue Whale schedule Goodnight Sun by Connie Cronley Photo by Ferrell Dixon Jr / ASLUT

Tulsa Talks goes About Town

July 19, 2023 17:00 - 21 minutes - 14.8 MB

Welcome to Tulsa Talks presented by Tulsa Regional Chamber. I'm your host Tim Landes.  After more than 100 episodes over the past four years it's time to go About Town.  On this episode Tim and About Town host Blayklee Freed talk about the future of this podcast channel and all the exciting things to come in the biweekly episodes of About Town that will run 10-15 minutes an episode.  We also reflect on the five years of Tulsa Talks and discuss some of the highlights.  All the podcast epis...

Walk and talks and a "Road Trip": Excerpts from chats with filmmaker Brea Mullen and musician Branjae, plus a Connie Cronley column

June 28, 2023 17:00 - 36 minutes - 25.4 MB

Welcome to Tulsa Talks presented by Tulsa Regional Chamber. I'm your host Tim Landes. Business is getting back to normal around Tulsa after the devastating effects of the June 17 storm that left me, some coworkers and thousands of other Tulsans without power for nearly a week. It was hot, but we made it… unlike way too many trees.  So this episode is dropping a week late and it’s a different format than usual. I’ve been doing a lot of online content this year. Lots of concert photo galler...

About Town, Ep. 52: Koda Miles opens first solo exhibition this week

June 14, 2023 17:00 - 5 minutes - 3.67 MB

Tulsa interdisciplinary artist Koda Miles opens her first solo exhibition this week at Positive Space Tulsa. Titled “Caught Up,” the body of work Miles has on display includes 3D sculpture works and acrylic paintings. Read more: Art opening this week: “Caught Up” by Koda Miles at Positive Space Tulsa Positively different: New gallery doubles as space for women creatives to feel accepted and heard Born for the role: New Juneteenth coordinator continues a family legacy What the Ale: Nook...

"Say Cheers!" A conversation with Tom Gilbert, photographer and beer writer

June 07, 2023 16:00 - 42 minutes - 28.9 MB

Welcome to Tulsa Talks presented by Tulsa Regional Chamber. I'm your host Tim Landes.  After nearly four decades of being a photographer and a decade of writing about beer for Tulsa World, Tom Gilbert now contributes beer of the week stories and photo galleries here at TulsaPeople, and I couldn't be more excited. He's someone I've looked up to for a long time, so I was thrilled he agreed to chat with me about his life passions of photography and beer.  Tom takes us back to his teenage year...

About Town, Ep. 51: Drones over downtown will direct you to this party

May 31, 2023 15:00 - 5 minutes - 4.14 MB

Celebrations need not end when Saint Francis Tulsa Tough races do. Host Blayklee Freed talks with co-founders of Flywheel, Phil Kaiser and Scott Carr, ahead of Big Ride and Big Bite, the organization's June 10 events in downtown Tulsa.   Introducing Flywheel Presents: Big Bite, Tulsa's newest food festival on June 10 (sponsored editorial) June's calendar of events Scenes from Saint Francis Tulsa Tough 2022 GoFundMe: Tyler's Recovery by CLIFFDIVER

About Town, Ep. 50: 'So,' Connie said ...

May 24, 2023 14:00 - 6 minutes - 4.3 MB

Columnist Connie Cronley reads her May column, which you can read at the link below. Read more: ‘So,’ I said ... 

Healing through art: Conversations with Muscogee Nation artists on the healing power of their art

May 17, 2023 10:00 - 58 minutes - 40.5 MB

Welcome to Tulsa Talks presented by Tulsa Regional Chamber. I’m your host Tim Landes.   Long before I returned to journalism, I worked for my tribe, Cherokee Nation, for a decade. It was there I helped do media relations for Cherokee Casinos and Cherokee Nation Cultural Tourism. It was in that role I learned about the importance of the art. We’re storytellers because up until Sequoyah created the syllabary, the only way to share history was through stories and art. Even with the written lan...

About Town, Ep. 49: Living out the summer fun guide

May 10, 2023 17:00 - 4 minutes - 2.79 MB

Reeder's Auto and Tire is a tried and true Tulsa business with a global presence on social media. Host Blayklee Freed visits the local destination and explores candy and treats with Cheryl Reeder and Mary Hatheway, two members of the Reeders' trusty team. Read more from the Summer Fun Guide. Best of the fests: Summer festival guide What the Ale: Rapture Brewing’s Shadow Cabinet is the beer of the week Tulsa Music Listings

Tulsa's growing film, music, arts and culture scenes with Meg Gould, Tulsa FMAC executive director

May 03, 2023 16:00 - 48 minutes - 33.2 MB

Welcome to Tulsa Talks presented by Tulsa Regional Chamber. I'm your host Tim Landes. On this episode a conversation with Meg Gould, who has been very busy since joining Tulsa Office of Film, Music, Arts and Culture in January. She discusses her background in television production and how she's excited to oversee Tulsa FMAC after most recently working for Dallas Film. Gould discusses her recent trips to Sundance and South by Southwest to promote Tulsa artists, and she talks about the nee...

About Town, Ep. 48: 'Broadway with bodyslams'

April 26, 2023 16:00 - 2 minutes - 1.77 MB

Tulsa's Luchadores are gearing up for Cindo de Mayo. Host Blayklee Freed talks to one of the wrestlers ahead of the annual showdown May 5 outside of Elote. 

Monitoring our creeks and streams with Cheryl Cheadle, Blue Thumb volunteer coordinator

April 19, 2023 16:00 - 36 minutes - 24.9 MB

Welcome to Tulsa Talks presented by Tulsa Regional Chamber. I'm your host Tim Landes. On this episode we're back on the road for an afternoon at Coal Creek in Glenpool, where Blue Thumb Volunteer Coordinator Cheryl Cheadle met me to discuss her and the nonprofit's work in monitoring Tulsa County creeks and streams, and why it's so important. Learn more about the organization in this April TulsaPeople article and/or visit Blue Thumb's website to learn more. 

About Town, Ep. 47: Connie writes a letter

April 12, 2023 16:00 - 6 minutes - 4.3 MB

Hear Connie Cronley's April column: Letter to a niece who doesn’t like her friends anymore.

Hanging out on the Curtis brothers couch with Danny Boy O'Connor inside The Outsiders House Museum

April 05, 2023 16:00 - 1 hour - 48 MB

Welcome to Tulsa Talks presented by Tulsa Regional Chamber. I'm your host Tim Landes. It's been over three years since Danny Boy O'Connor opened The Outsiders House Museum, 731 N. St. Louis Ave. In that time thousands of fans of S.E. Hinton's book and Francis Ford Coppola's movie have visited the museum. On the eve of the 40th anniversary of the movie's release, Danny Boy sat down on the  living room couch and talked about the impact the museum has had since opening in August 2019, plus ...

About Town, Ep. 46: Green things and what this week brings

March 29, 2023 21:00 - 4 minutes - 2.94 MB

April's issue of TulsaPeople is live online and on its way to stands around Tulsa. Host Blayklee Freed gives an overview of the magazine and shares the beer of the week, upcoming events and news from Tulsa City-County Library. Tulsa’s EV market charges up Beyond books: Tulsa City-County Library offers free seeds, meeting space and much more What the Ale: Heirloom's Si Se Puede is the beer of the week April calendar of events

About Town, Ep. 45: Spring birds sing and Connie reads

March 22, 2023 15:00 - 6 minutes - 4.78 MB

Hear Connie Cronley read her March column, "My badass dinner party." 

About Town, Ep. 44: Spring shows and other March memos

March 08, 2023 18:00 - 3 minutes - 2.33 MB

Host Blayklee Freed talks TulsaPeople's March issue music coverage, plus hear the latest Beer of the Week. Home bass: Tulsa family’s living room doubles as cozy concert venue for local and touring acts ‘The stories we tell each other’: Q&A with Tulsa country musician Joey Frendo What the Ale: Dead Armadillo's Dillo Track is the beer of the week Growth mindset: Tulsa’s entrepreneurial ecosystem helps local business owners grow and succeed

On making music with Drew Winn, Guitar House of Tulsa owner and recording artist

March 01, 2023 17:00 - 49 minutes - 34.2 MB

Welcome to Tulsa Talks presented by Tulsa Regional Chamber. On this episode it's a conversation with Drew Winn inside his Guitar House of Tulsa, 1216 S. Harvard Ave. For eight years, Winn has owned Guitar House of Tulsa. In 2020 he relocated the shop from its downtown location to midtown. He discusses those changes and the positives that came with the bigger space. Winn is also the owner of Stillwater's Daddy O's Music Co., which is where he got his start in the industry as a teenager. I...

About Town, Ep. 43: Connie reads January and February

February 22, 2023 19:00 - 11 minutes - 7.94 MB

Hear TulsaPeople's longtime columnist Connie Cronley read her columns from the January and February issues. January: I’m over it now. Almost. February: Read out the names!

Making change through filmmaking with Tamecca Rogers, Ph.D.

February 15, 2023 17:00 - 52 minutes - 36 MB

Welcome to Tulsa Talks presented by Tulsa Regional Chamber. I'm your host Tim Landes. On this episode of Tulsa Talks, Tamecca Rogers, Ph.D., visits the podcast to talk about her new documentary "Crown" that premieres at Circle Cinema on Friday, Feb. 17. According to Rogers, this relevant and timely documentary explores the lived experiences of prominent local Black women in Tulsa pertaining to racism and discrimination in the workplace and school. It is also a call to action for Oklahoma...

About Town, Ep. 42: February round-up

February 08, 2023 19:00 - 5 minutes - 4.14 MB

February's food cover has us hungry. Host Blayklee Freed shares stand-out moments from the issue. Plus, A-List nominations are open till Feb. 14! ‘Stronger together’: Home base for art collective serves as studio and gallery space Nominate your favorite local businesses to the A-List Coffee with: Hazel Turner, White River Fish Market waitress What the Ale: Marshall Brewing Co.'s El Gallo Macho! is the beer of the week

On puppet wrangling, 'Sesame Street' and 'Waffles + Mochi' - David Bizzaro, Emmy-winning puppeteer

February 01, 2023 18:00 - 55 minutes - 38.2 MB

Welcome to Tulsa Talks presented by Tulsa Regional Chamber. I'm your host Tim Landes. On this episode we're talking puppets and the fun of being creative with Emmy winner David Bizzaro. The conversation begins with Bizzaro reflecting on living in New York City when COVID-19 began (nearly three years ago) and when and why he relocated to Tulsa. The first-generation American Latinx actor discusses how he got into the world of puppetry about a decade ago and how it led him to Sesame Street ...

About Town, Ep. 41: Inside Tulsa's first virtual reality cafe

January 25, 2023 17:00 - 9 minutes - 6.36 MB

Tim Landes talks with TulsaPeople intern J. D. Myer, who wrote January's story about Aaru Entertainment, Tulsa's only VR cafe.  Aaru ready for the future?: New VR cafe offers exhilarating entertainment options for Tulsans

Tulsa's mocktail movement with Mandy Lauck, Bramble and Holé Molé manager

January 18, 2023 17:00 - 34 minutes - 23.6 MB

Welcome to Tulsa Talks presented by Tulsa Regional Chamber. On this episode a conversation with Mandy Lauck, Bramble and Holé Molé manager, about the mocktail movement happening across Tulsa. She discusses their expansive mocktail menus at the breakfast and dinner eateries located at 1302 E. Sixth St., and she also shares insights into the growing non-alcoholic offerings that can be found across Tulsa. Links mentioned in this episode: Tulsan of the Year cover story Q&A with Punk magazine f...

About Town, Ep. 40: Dry January and the Tulsans of the Year

January 11, 2023 16:00 - 4 minutes - 3.16 MB

Host Blayklee Freed dives into January's edition of TulsaPeople magazine, which includes the story of Cain's and the family that built it into the iconic venue it is today. Plus, hear about an event tonight with OKPOP celebrating 45 years since Sex Pistols played at Cain's. Tulsans of the Year: Rodgers family custodians of Tulsa's music history Sex Pistols and steer horns: Q&A with John Holmstrom on the Pistols show that happened 45 years ago at Cain's No-buzz brews available at Ranch Acr...

Mayor G.T. Bynum live at Tulsa Press Club

January 04, 2023 18:00 - 1 hour - 46.1 MB

Welcome to Tulsa Talks presented by Tulsa Regional Chamber. I’m your host Tim Landes. Happy New Year! On this episode we return to Tulsa Press Club for my conversation with Tulsa Mayor G.T. Bynum that was recorded on Dec. 14. Bynum took part in the Press Club’s quarterly Page One Luncheon. The mayor reflects on his six years in office, how 2020 changed him, how Tulsa has bounced back from the pandemic, the City’s ambitious $500 million plan to reduce homelessness and more, including whet...

About Town, Ep. 39: New year celebrations

December 28, 2022 21:00 - 4 minutes - 2.79 MB

Host Blayklee Freed reviews relevant December content and gives hints for where to find the best holiday haps.  Tulsa 10: Dec. 19-25 December calendar of events December's Fab Finds Art with heart: The Equality Center’s gallery showcases works to move the community

Tulsa Talks Christmas Special 2022

December 22, 2022 17:00 - 30 minutes - 20.7 MB

Welcome to Tulsa Talks presented by Tulsa Regional Chamber. I'm your host Tim Landes.  It's Christmas week so instead of a long conversation, I thought I'd share with you some music to enjoy while you wrap those gifts or play in the background while you host family and friends. But that's not all. Between the songs you'll hear from some folks that have Christmas stories and some ways to celebrate and special ways to shop local beyond Christmas. Very special thank you to Luke Gray and the...

About Town, Ep. 38: Comedian Nikki Glaser will be your friend

December 14, 2022 20:00 - 4 minutes - 3.38 MB

This weekend, Nikki Glaser is coming to Tulsa for a night of laughs at Tulsa Theater. Digital Editor Tim Landes talked with her ahead of the show. 'Just a lot of fun': A Q&A with Nikki Glaser ahead of her Dec. 17 Tulsa Theater show Tulsa 10: Dec. 12-18

On making the perfect cup of coffee - Tor Nordstrom and Bobby Ellis, Nordaggios Coffee

December 07, 2022 17:00 - 1 hour - 43.1 MB

Welcome to Tulsa Talks presented by Tulsa Regional Chamber. I'm your host Tim Landes. On this episode we're talking Tulsa's coffee culture, which is also a feature in our December issue.  Nordaggios owner Tor Nordstrom and master roaster Bobby Ellis visited our studio to discuss the modern history of coffee in Tulsa and their important role in helping make our coffee culture stronger and better tasting. Each week Nordaggios roasts up to 3,000 pounds of coffee that is sold in their shop...

About Town, Ep. 37: Slinging drinks and spinning tunes with DJ Majda

November 30, 2022 16:00 - 3 minutes - 2.23 MB

Host Blayklee Freed visits Majda Phillips, operator and general queen of The Max retro pub, on a Tuesday night at the bar. Between serving thirsty customers, Phillips answered questions about becoming a professional DJ during the pandemic.

About Town, Ep. 36: Tulsa's holiday preview

November 23, 2022 17:00 - 4 minutes - 3.23 MB

This week, seasonal festivities ramp up in Tulsa and the surrounding area. Blayklee Freed has highlights for your calendar. Hoppin holidays: 2022 Tulsa and area holiday events calendar

On bringing OKPOP to life - Meg Charron, Deputy Director of OKPOP Museum

November 16, 2022 17:00 - 1 hour - 46.3 MB

Welcome to Tulsa Talks presented by Tulsa Regional Chamber. I'm your host Tim Landes. On this episode Meg Charron, Deputy Director of OKPOP Museum, discusses the vision and plans for the museum located across Cain's Ballroom in the Arts District. She takes listeners floor by floor to break down how they will share the stories of Oklahomans' impacts in pop culture. Meg talks about the growing collection of artifacts and how they will use them for storytelling. She also discusses constructio...

About Town, Ep. 35: November delights include Tulsa author's latest book

November 09, 2022 17:00 - 4 minutes - 3.4 MB

With holidays in view, TulsaPeople shares our compiled calendar of festivities from the November issue. Plus, hear from Tulsa author RJ Young about his new book "Requiem for the Massacre," which released Nov. 1.  Read the November issue of TulsaPeople Story over a century: ‘Requiem for the Massacre’ releases Nov. 1 November calendar of events Dog days in Tulsa

'You've got to come Tulsa' - Renee McKenney, senior VP of tourism for Tulsa Regional Chamber

November 02, 2022 16:00 - 54 minutes - 37.2 MB

Welcome to Tulsa Talks presented by Tulsa Regional Chamber. Renee McKenney is the new senior vice president of tourism for Tulsa Regional Chamber and president of Tulsa Regional Tourism. She came to Tulsa in August with over three decades of experience in hospitality and tourism.  She discusses why she chose to take on the job, what she's learned and experienced in the few months she's been here and her goals for tourism.  Her background includes meeting planning, sports events, hotels, ...

About Town, Ep. 34: Lots to do in Tulsa and Connie Cronley shares her "Good Advice"

October 26, 2022 15:00 - 6 minutes - 4.75 MB

On this mini-episode, Digital Editor Tim Landes shares how you can keep up with all there is to do in town through TulsaPeople's online resources: Music listings - save this URL for future reference Tulsa 10 - A curated rundown of things to do each week. E-Newsletter signup  Read Connie's column "Good Advice." 

Preserving the Cherokee language through songs - Jeremy Charles, "Anvdvnelisgi" producer and filmmaker

October 19, 2022 17:00 - 57 minutes - 39.2 MB

Welcome to Tulsa Talks presented by Tulsa Regional Chamber. On this episode Cherokee filmmaker Jeremy Charles discusses putting down the cameras to produce a groundbreaking album of contemporary music in the Cherokee language performed by Cherokee musicians. That said he hasn't stopped working on film projects. He somehow found the time to do both, plus be a dad and husband. Jeremy discusses how he went from being one of the most sought-after photographers in town a decade ago to becomin...

About Town, Ep. 33: Art in your neighborhood

October 12, 2022 02:00 - 4 minutes - 3.15 MB

Hear from Alison Rossi, Gilcrease director of learning and community engagement, as she details how Tulsans can view pieces in the museum's collection around town. Shared experience: Gilcrease Museum looks to connect its collection to locals throughout the city Tulsa 10: Oct. 10-16

"Remember the past. Teach for the future." - Eva Unterman, Holocaust survivor and Tulsa Hall of Fame inductee

October 05, 2022 17:00 - 1 hour - 47.5 MB

Welcome to Tulsa Talks presented by Tulsa Regional Chamber. I’m your host Tim Landes and I am about to share with you a very special episode of this podcast. Last month, I sat down with Eva Unterman inside the Sherwin Miller Museum of Jewish Art’s Holocaust Center to discuss her life and to learn from her. It has been 77 years since the liberation of Nazi death camps during World War II. In this conversation, Eva recounts her family’s experiences in the war from the day the Nazis invaded t...

About Town, Ep. 32: Books and other things Connie Cronley can't believe

September 28, 2022 18:00 - 6 minutes - 4.82 MB

Hear September's Musings column read aloud by author Connie Cronley. Read the column here.

Helping Tulsans who have no home to go to – Noe Rodriguez, Tulsa Day Center

September 21, 2022 17:00 - 58 minutes - 40 MB

Welcome to Tulsa Talks presented by Tulsa Regional Chamber. I'm your host Tim Landes. On this episode I talk with Tulsa Day Center Associate Director Noe Rodriguez, who has devoted the last 16 years to helping people who are experiencing homelessness get back on track and get into housing. He discusses how numerous Tulsa organizations, including the Day Center, are working together and adapting to meet the needs as the demands increase, which is also the topic in this September magazine ...

About Town, Ep. 31: Community celebrations and all there is to do in Tulsa

September 14, 2022 14:00 - 7 minutes - 5.14 MB

September is in full swing, and Tulsa is celebrating a smorgasbord of talent with Dreamland Festival, Hip Hop 918, Guthrie Green events and more ahead of 918 Day. Plus hear from local artist Anne Pollard James about her debut solo show at Positive Space Tulsa. Mentioned in this episode: Turning Tulsa into Dreamland: A Q&A with Steph Simon, Dreamland Festival founder On 'Surfacing': Q&A with Anne Pollard James about her first solo art show Land for you and me: Guthrie Green at 10 Tulsa M...

From part-time server to managing partner - Lindsey Gifford, McNellie's Restaurant Group

September 07, 2022 18:00 - 45 minutes - 31.6 MB

Welcome to Tulsa Talks presented by Tulsa Regional Chamber. On this episode: McNellie’s Restaurant Group’s Lindsey Gifford discusses her role in the company as a managing partner overseeing popular restaurants The Tavern, Bull in the Alley and Wild Fork, plus the upcoming Bar Serra in Utica Square. Originally from OKC, Lindsey relocated to Tulsa in 2009 and took a job as a part-time waitress. She discusses working her way up in the industry and how it’s changed since she started. McNellie’...

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