We start this episode with Vanessa sharing some big personal news, taking a big step in being vulnerable enough to talk about her trauma, grief, and heartache as she's living through it.

We then get into talking about our Evangelical experiences again. Doug shares his reasons for still identifying as a "Christian," even though he doesn't believe in anything supernatural--while Vanessa reveals the influence expectations of purity had on her growing up and continue to have on her today.

It's a great conversation; we hope you enjoy it!

[TRIGGER WARNINGS: Divorce, Mental Illness, PTSD, Depression, Borderline Personality Disorder, Evangelical Christianity, Suicide, Purity Culture, Rape, Child Abuse, and Sexism/Misogyny]

This episode was recorded on August 5, 2020.