That's Not How That Works
115 episodes - English - Latest episode: 6 months ago - ★★★★★ - 277 ratingsThis podcast is an exploration of diversity, inclusion, and equity and how these things show up, (or don’t) in our personal and professional communities.
Weeze and Trudi are JEDI Masters, (Justice, Equity, Diversity and Inclusion,) who fundamentally believe that we all have a responsibility to create safer spaces, center marginalized communities and just do better!
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EP 112: At The Expense Of No One Else
October 23, 2023 03:29 - 38 minutes - 16.9 MBIn this episode, we talk about Palestine. We discuss the experiences we’ve both had in the online space as we’ve spoken up about Palestinian Liberation, and the misinformation and disinformation we’ve seen. We talk about Genocide and the role of government policies, imperialism, and the need to separate governments from the people. We explore the language of violence and how it becomes a tool of communication when oppressed populations are pushed to the limit. We also offer some recomme...
Ep 111: Navigating Differences and Building Relationships
October 05, 2023 12:00 - 1 hour - 142 MBIn this conversation, we examine the feedback we received from those who tuned in to Episode 110. From that lens, we offer you suggestions on how to navigate differences and conflict that can inevitably arise in relationships; and what to keep in mind as you are navigating. We offer you indicators of potential obstacles within creating reciprocal relationships, and tips on how to recognize if someone is even on the same page as you. We also discuss how undertones in language used within th...
Ep 110: A Silent Depression and A Collective Revolution
September 21, 2023 12:00 - 1 hour - 82.4 MBOn this episode, we explore the concept of radical change and long-term strategies for social and political transformation, centered on economic shifts geared towards an equitable and communal future. We dissect revolutionary movements, and dream up (in real time) what bringing about change would look like and require of us on an individual and collective basis while centering the most marginalized in our society. We explore the current societal Silent Depression that many are talking abou...
Ep 109: Reclaiming Redemption Culture
September 07, 2023 12:00 - 1 hour - 149 MBIn this latest episode, we delve deeper into the topics we explored in our previous discussion, where we analyzed Lizzo's lawsuit as a revealing case study on cognitive bias, personal agency, and the intricacies of celebrity culture. Our focus shifts to envisioning alternative resolutions for grievances through the lens of equity and liberation, and one compelling avenue we explore is the concept of redemption culture. Join us as we unravel the origins of redemption culture, tracing its ev...
Ep 108: Cognitive Bias, Agency and Celebrity
August 17, 2023 13:56 - 48 minutes - 118 MBIn this conversation, we delve into the complexities surrounding Lizzo's status as a celebrity, influencer, and the blurred lines between the two. We examine the cognitive biases and reactions that arise when individuals are both fans and critics of influential figures like Lizzo. The discussion navigates through the challenges of holding celebrities to varying standards, especially when personal affinity is involved. We explore the tendency to excuse or rationalize the actions of public fig...
Ep 107: Culture vs Cultural Appropriation
August 03, 2023 07:00 - 44 minutes - 40.4 MBPeople of all identities connect through shared culture, whether it’s language, region, or a subculture like hip hop. So who gets to decide what culture you have access to and can claim as yours? What makes an expression of culture “authentic?” We’re digging into culture versus cultural appropriation, the difference between culture and race, the impact of socio-cultural environment on expression, and why critiques and call-outs aren’t always helpful or necessary. Listen to the full episode to...
Ep 106: Ja Morant: What Healing, Justice, and Repair Looks Like
July 20, 2023 07:00 - 45 minutes - 41.3 MBToday, we’re getting into the world of professional sports. Ja Morant is a basketball player for the Memphis Grizzlies who has been in the news this year for multiple incidents of misconduct and erratic behavior and was suspended from multiple NBA games, including his most recent bout of cryptic messages on social media that led to a welfare check by Tennessee police. But what we want to talk about is how we can reframe these events and their aftermath in a more liberatory, anti-oppressive wa...
Ep 105: Unpacking the Concept of Safe Space
July 06, 2023 07:00 - 48 minutes - 44.1 MB“This is a safe space.” It’s a common refrain, but what does it mean to be and to create safe spaces? And who gets to decide what is safe? Too often, declaring a space “safe” means being resistant to the discomfort of being challenged or held accountable. We’re digging into safe spaces, how the term has been defanged in popular discourse, and creating spaces that honor everyone’s humanity, while remaining open to challenging conversations, transparency, and accountability. Listen to the full ...
Ep 104: Reimagining The Path Forward
June 22, 2023 07:00 - 34 minutes - 32 MBAnd we’re back! It’s been a minute since we released an episode, so we’re going to catch you up on where we’ve been, how we got here, and what’s coming up for this iteration of the show as we return to our roots of applying our equity and liberation lens to what’s happening in the wider world. Listen to the full episode to hear: ⁃ Our evolution from Hey, Auntie to the coaching and personal development world and back to broader critique ⁃ How Trudi has shifted her work to creating opportunitie...
That's Not How That Works Trailer
June 22, 2023 07:00 - 2 minutes - 2.09 MBIt’s easy to look at the day’s headlines and think: That’s not how things are supposed to work! Contempt for the planet. Fear of the other. Rampant inequity. Multi-billionaires in space. But we’ve got news: this is exactly how things are supposed to work. The systems that spin out scarcity, hate, and injustice are working exactly as they were designed to. Our goal is to reveal those systems—not just the ones embedded in our politics and culture but also in our minds—and explore the ways we ca...
Vignette 5: You're Invited to eXpand
March 10, 2023 14:36 - 13 minutes - 7.42 MBIn this episode Weeze and Trudi wrap up are series with a special invitation to eXpand. eXpansion is the process of liberation, personal exploration, equity, and transformation of our personal and social futures, and for the first time in three years, they are partnering up to facilitate this journey in a 4-month container that you are invited to. For all the details visit: www.yourinvitetoexpand.com
Vignette 4: Defining Your Destination
March 10, 2023 11:00 - 13 minutes - 7.38 MBIf liberation isn't the goal, or destination (as we covered in vignette 3) then what is? In this vignette Weeze & Trudi share the next step in the process of personal liberation and expansion, defining the destination.
Vignette 3: Liberation is a Process, Not a Destination
March 08, 2023 15:55 - 7 minutes - 4.49 MBIn this vignette, Weeze and Trudi explore reframing the concept of liberation from a destination or goal, to a process and practice.
Vignette 2: Reimagining what's possible
March 07, 2023 23:16 - 6 minutes - 3.92 MBIn this episode we talk about the importance of reimagining what's possible in our lives, in our work, our world, and more. Weeze and Trudi have been on a reimagining journey of their own, both when it comes to their personal and collaborative work. We'll continue to talk about why reimagining is an important process in liberation and anti-oppression work.
Vignette 1: We're going Rouge...
March 07, 2023 22:18 - 7 minutes - 4.28 MBTrudi and Weeze are going rouge and have decided to release a 5-part minisode to catch you up, and bring you up to speed and where we're at and where we're going, The basics: That's Not How That Works is coming back with a new team, an upleved vibe, and expanded vision of the future... and we want you to come with us. We have big plans and we'd love for you to join us. Take a screenshot of the episode, share it to Instagram @trudilebron and @accordingtoweeze to skip ahead and get even more de...
Ep. 103: It’s not goodbye, the world is just on fire
March 17, 2022 12:00 - 27 minutes - 37.6 MBThe world is on fire, y’all and there’s so much to unpack both globally and personally. There are actual wars going on—the war on the Black and queer communities as well as voting rights here in the U.S. happening simultaneously with the war in Ukraine—and some major life and business changes for us as well. So we’re gonna take a little break, y’all. But before we go, don’t miss today’s episode where we’re breaking down all of this, sharing updates on our lives and the podcast, and leaving yo...
Ep. 102: Your Urgency is Not My Emergency
March 03, 2022 12:00 - 36 minutes - 49.8 MBIt's been an interesting and exhausting couple of weeks, y'all! But wanna know what’s REALLY been chapping our asses lately? Then you don’t want to miss today’s episode where Trudi and Weeze are breaking down the expectations (and massive misconceptions) that come from the kind of work that we do, THIS thing that’s happening with the language of anti-racism and anti-oppression, and why more than ever it's important to give people the space to be human. We're unpacking: The imaginary social co...
Ep. 101: Creating Space
February 17, 2022 10:00 - 36 minutes - 49.4 MBWhat does it cost to have the life you want? Really, it’s the life you have, right? In today’s episode, Trudi and Weeze are bringing you examples of how we’re embodying this in our own personal and professional lives to let go of the old and create space for new priorities and projects both on a personal front and in our social justice work. Join us for some big news from Weeze, a secret from Trudi, what we’re most excited about this year, and what we’re actively creating space for. We’re exp...
Ep. 100: Lessons From 100 Episodes
February 03, 2022 13:00 - 51 minutes - 70.3 MBHappy 100 episodes, y’all!! For this episode, Trudi & Weeze are reflecting on the past 100 episodes of the podcast and sharing the biggest lessons we’ve learned from it. Join us for a look back at how we got here, what’s changed for us and the podcast in the last 3 years, what we wish we had known about podcasting from the start, lessons we’ve learned about business partnerships, and what’s coming for the next 100. Become a patron: https://www.patreon.com/nothowthatworks Follow us on Instagra...
Ep. 99.5: Protect Your Peace This Holiday Season (minisode)
December 23, 2021 10:00 - 16 minutes - 22.8 MBHey y’all! Today, Trudi and Weeze are bringing you a special minisode before we break for the holidays. Listen in for what we’re celebrating as we wrap up 2021, what we’d love for you this holiday season, and how to prioritize your most important relationship.
Ep. 99: More on Social Justice Charlatans
December 09, 2021 10:00 - 42 minutes - 58.2 MBWe just got done with Thanksgiving, and with it comes talk online of the need to “decolonize” the holiday, ditch the turkey, potatoes and get togethers and just make it a normal day. So y’all, it’s time to have a discussion of the tradition of Thanksgiving in the US, because although we aren’t arguing about the history of the holiday, we shouldn’t be throwing the whole tradition away. Join us in this episode for a breakdown of what parts are actually really important to melanated folks and th...
Ep. 98: Stop Doing THIS in Your Marketing
November 25, 2021 10:00 - 53 minutes - 73.3 MBWanna know what’s really been chapping our asses lately?! In this episode, Trudi and Weeze are unpacking the issue happening way too frequently online: the serious misuse of this work as a part of social media or email marketing strategies to sell shit to people. Ready for a “come to Beyoncé” moment here? Then listen in, because we’re breaking it all down for you and bringing you what this looks like, who’s doing it (it’s not just white folks!), and 3 things to watch out for online before dec...
Ep. 97: The Power of Coming Home
November 11, 2021 10:00 - 42 minutes - 58.2 MBIt’s that time of year again....and we don’t mean Christmas. With Halloween just a couple of weeks behind us and Thanksgiving around the corner, it’s time to dive back into the conversation around these holidays and break down some shit for y’all. In this episode, Trudi and Weeze are breaking down Halloween costumes and cultural appropriation, the ways white supremacy has harmed phenotypically white as well as marginalized folks, and what can happen when you make the effort to reconnect to wh...
Ep. 96: Send Your Corporate Trauma Down the River
September 30, 2021 09:00 - 50 minutes - 70 MBSomeone hits you up and says, “Hey, can we talk real quick?” What comes up for you? If immediate fear hits that you’re about to have the worst possible conversation ever, that’s from corporate trauma (and you’re not alone!) We’ve all probably had “that talk” with a superior, or been put on blast for being 5 minutes late, or seen someone take the credit for someone else’s idea when we’ve worked in the corporate world, right? But it’s time to start ditching that corporate trauma, and in this ep...
Ep. 95: But what ARE you?!
September 16, 2021 09:00 - 1 hour - 96.6 MBIf you’re from a mixed race background, you’ve probably heard questions like “I know you’re not white, but I don’t know what you are?” or “Why are you that color?” or “But where are you ACTUALLY from?” and it can be infuriating and traumatic. This is something that Weeze experiences, too, as a fair-skinned indigenous African woman and it happens to so many people. So in today’s episode, Trudi and Weeze are diving into racial ambiguity, mixed race identity, what it’s like and what it means in ...
Ep. 94: So You Wanna Talk About Accountability
September 02, 2021 09:00 - 1 hour - 83.2 MBY’all get SO upset on the interwebs over the idea of accountability, and we need to have a serious conversation about it because a lot of folks don’t actually know what that is. In today’s episode, Trudi and Weeze are breaking down what accountability REALLY means and the 4 important things you need to remember before you get involved online. We’re exploring: Why tools and frameworks are so important The thing that is so important in this work but the assumption of it can be so dangerous Wher...
Ep. 93: The Evolution of Anti-Racism Work
August 19, 2021 09:00 - 1 hour - 96.3 MBWe’ve seen a lot of changes in the work and the industry of anti-racism over the years and a ton of misinformation out there. So in today’s episode, we’re digging into what anti-racism work ACTUALLY looks like in 2021 (and a little reminder of what it’s not!), the cornerstone of any anti-racism or anti-oppression work, and the shit we see happen online WAY too much when folks think they’re doing “the work.” We’re exploring: - What anti-racism work is NOT in our day to day lives Where the work...
Ep. 92: We're Back!
August 05, 2021 09:00 - 41 minutes - 56.9 MBWe’re back, y’all!!! A lot of things have changed since our last episode, and we feel like completely different people (in a good way!) In today’s episode, we’re diving into why we had an extended break between seasons, what we’d forgotten doing this work, the biggest shifts we’re making in our lives and businesses, and a sneak peek at an upcoming shift for the podcast.
Ep. 91: Season Finale: Do Your Work While We’re Away
November 27, 2020 13:00 - 1 hour - 91.2 MBIt’s the end of the fall 2020 season for That’s Not How That Works, so today we want to have a conversation about what we want to leave you with and what we hope you do from here. Listen in as we remind you what the hell this work is about in the first place (and what it ISN’T), what you can do to make sure you are moving the baton forward in this work, what you should do with those goal posts you’ve been setting, why you cannot center whiteness in any of this work and what you need to focus ...
Ep. 90: A Tale of White Womaning: Boundaries, Consent & Silencing, Oh My!
November 05, 2020 13:00 - 59 minutes - 81.2 MBIt’s story time! On today’s episode, we’re recounting a little scenario that happened recently in Trudi’s free private Facebook group that caused her to hit up Weeze on a weekend to discuss. Today we’re not only exploring non-disparage clauses in coaching contracts — what they are and why they are harmful — but also boundaries and consent, silencing and erasure, restorative justice and how to do it right, as well as what ACTUALLY happened in this thread in the Facebook group and what SHOULD h...
Ep. 89: Today, We Literally Do Not Care
October 29, 2020 12:00 - 55 minutes - 76.2 MBShit is about to get real, y’all. With everything going on lately — the new Supreme Court confirmation, yet ANOTHER Black man murdered by police, and the upcoming election to name a few — Trudi & Weeze are bringing you an old school throwback episode today. Listen in as we share what it’s like for us to be in the work that we do, the values we have, the ACTUAL goal of the work we do, and everything that’s on our minds, bodies, and souls right now. Follow us on Instagram: https://instagram.com...
Ep. 88: Ongoing Accountability
October 15, 2020 12:00 - 51 minutes - 71.3 MBSo you’ve made a public statement that you’re behind the Black Lives Matter movement and committed to anti-racism. But what does it mean to make a commitment like this and be accountable to these commitments? On today’s episode, Trudi and Weeze are exploring what accountability looks like (in a real way!), why it feels hard, and one of the MOST IMPORTANT things you can do to stay accountable. We're also diving into the most recent example of how companies prioritize profit over people. Follow...
Ep. 87: White Saviorism - Final Answer
October 08, 2020 12:00 - 56 minutes - 77.1 MBYou might be a white savior if… Seriously y’all… we get questions about this one on the daily. “Am I a white savior? What are people gonna think of me if I share online about the work I’m doing? How do I make sure I’m not crossing the line into white saviorism?” So on today’s episode, Trudi and Weeze are sharing our FINAL ANSWER on this one. We’re exploring all about white saviorism: what it is, why it’s so dangerous, the difference between white identity and whiteness, and how to make sure y...
Ep. 86: Ibram X Kendi and How to Not to Write About Being An Anti-Racist
October 01, 2020 12:00 - 41 minutes - 57.3 MBIf you’re looking for a guide on how to be an anti-racist, Ibram Kendi’s book “How to Be an Anti-Racist” is NOT it, y’all. On today’s episode, Trudi and Weeze are diving into this controversial book, why the title is problematic and not accurate, who this book is best for and what it REALLY is, what could have made it better, and what we recommend you read instead if you’re on your own journey towards anti-racism. Check out Ep. 25: Can White Folks Experience Racism? (and how TNHTW almost got ...
Ep. 85: DEI was DOA - The role whyte folx play and how to remedy
September 17, 2020 12:00 - 47 minutes - 65.2 MBWhat do we mean when we say that white folks can’t be the poison AND the antidote? What’s the difference between DEI and anti-racism work anyway? If you want to know the answer to these questions and what you CAN do in the work as a white person without being harmful, you’re not gonna want to miss this episode! Today, Trudi & Weeze are answering these questions as well as exploring the white folks co-opting the movement, why we don’t do DEI work with clients before anti-racism work is done, a...
Ep. 84: The 3 Types of Folx in the Great White Awakening
September 10, 2020 12:00 - 53 minutes - 73.2 MBWe are 3 months now out of the “Great White Awakening” and it’s time for y’all to have a come to Beyoncé moment… Where do you fall in this movement? Why did we even have this “Great White Awakening” now of all times? Why was George Floyd the beginning of it and not Breonna Taylor or any of the other Black folx who have been murdered? On today’s episode, we’re exploring the co-occurring social crises that created the perfect storm for people to FINALLY wake up, the 3 types of folx we saw in ...
Ep. 84: The Great White Awakening
September 10, 2020 12:00 - 53 minutes - 73.2 MBWe are 3 months now out of the “Great White Awakening” and it’s time for y’all to have a come to Beyoncé moment… Where do you fall in this movement? Why did we even have this “Great White Awakening” now of all times? Why was George Floyd the beginning of it and not Breonna Taylor or any of the other Black folx who have been murdered? On today’s episode, we’re exploring the co-occurring social crises that created the perfect storm for people to FINALLY wake up, the 3 types of folx we saw in th...
Ep. 83: Tag Team Back Again
September 03, 2020 12:00 - 44 minutes - 61 MBWe’re back, y’all! A lot has happened in the world since our last podcast episode and we’re excited to be back to start breaking it all down over this season. On today’s episode, we’re diving into what we’ve been up to during the podcast break and exploring the recent resurgence of the civil rights movement, Weeze’s farewell to Facebook, the new “Great Awakening,” and why the transformational change you’re looking for can’t be done with a quick fix, DM, or one-off training! Follow us on Insta...
Ep.82: TNHTW 101: Summer Syllabus Final
May 28, 2020 09:00 - 35 minutes - 49.2 MBThis is our last episode of the season! Trudi and Weeze will be back in September with all new podcast episodes but in the meantime they have set up a curriculum to go back and listen to some of the most influential episodes so far. These are for you whether you are a newcomer to the podcast or if you just need refreshers as you continue on their path to wokeness. These will work in conjunction with our newsletter (that you should sign up for!) and our Facebook page to continue the discussion...
Ep. 81: Who is Karen & why does she want to talk to the manager?
May 21, 2020 09:00 - 49 minutes - 68.1 MBHave you ever seen a “Karen?” She’s the one who storms through the sliding doors with her apologetic husband in tow. Her short “power” haircut, oversized sunglasses and bratty kids let everyone know her entitled ass is getting whatever she wants. She yells and accuses everyone causing as much of a scene as possible, if provoked then she will unleash her final attack saying, “I want to speak to your manager!” This is a “Karen”... she’s not a new phenomenon but she can now be identified properl...
Ep. 80: Privilege and Pandemics
May 14, 2020 09:00 - 52 minutes - 72.5 MBPrivileged during the pandemic? It may not always feel that way, but many of us are in one way or another. What are you doing with it, though? In today’s episode, Trudi & Weeze are diving into what privilege IS, what it ISN’T, what choices you have during this time, and how you can use this time to rise while making sure others rise with you. Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/ Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenki...
Ep. 79: Your Woke Urban Dictionary
May 08, 2020 00:30 - 52 minutes - 72.1 MBHey y’all! We’re back and it feels so good! Have you heard people calling themselves “equity informed” or “justice informed?” On today’s episode Trudi & Weeze are gonna give it to ya straight about what those terms ACTUALLY mean, the questions you need to know to figure out if you or a coach you want to work with is truly helpful and not harmful, and some special news and events for y’all! Support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/nothowthatworks Visit the site: https://www.nothowthatwor...
Ep. 78: A whole new world but this view point isn’t so fantastic: changes amid crisis
March 19, 2020 12:43 - 41 minutes - 57 MBIt’s a whole new world out there right now amid the COVID-19 pandemic and with it comes a lot of questions and uncertainty. How do you handle the travel restrictions, event cancellations, and social distancing when it affects your bottom line? Is it even ethical to still sell to people right now? In today’s episode, Trudi & Weeze are exploring the effects of the pandemic here in the US, how to handle it responsibly, and tips to navigate this changing business landscape and keep your online bu...
77: 4 steps to doing better for Women’s (History) Month
March 12, 2020 13:57 - 58 minutes - 79.9 MBWhat is International Women’s Day, really? Is it a day for all countries to celebrate women together? Or just a single day to raise up women of color? In today’s episode Trudi and Weeze are exploring this distinction as well as feminism, what it is and isn’t, the role whiteness has played in the feminist movement, and 4 ways you can do better to help support people of color. Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWork...
Ep. 76: Education vs. Action: Each plays a role in equity but only one creates change
March 05, 2020 10:00 - 45 minutes - 62.1 MBOn today's spicy episode Trudi and Weeze are exploring education and action. In creating equitable change both are needed, but sometimes people can confuse the two. This distinction is the core of today’s episode. How does this show up in a professional setting? How do you identify where you are on the spectrum of education vs action? How do you properly support others if you are unable to be in a leadership role? How do you get educated and how do you get actionable? We’re exploring all of t...
Ep 75: Decolonizing Professionalism & Work
February 27, 2020 10:00 - 55 minutes - 76.4 MBOn todays episode Trudi and Weeze are talking about…perfess…profesh….ahem….professionalism. Trudi and Weeze look at professionalism through the lens of an entrepreneurial or online business mindset. There is this notion that in order for us to become our most professional selves that we have to de-humanize ourselves, but there’s not some inverse relationship between being business-minded and being a human. People are capable of doing both and that is exactly what Trudi and Weeze explore for y...
Ep. 74: SuperBowl 50 - love it, hate it....why not both?
February 20, 2020 10:00 - 44 minutes - 60.8 MBWhether you love it or hate it, the recent SuperBowl and halftime show has got a lot of people up in arms. In this episode Trudi & Weeze are talking all about the halftime performance by J. Lo and Shakira and exploring the topic of duality to explain that it’s possible to both love and hate something at the same time… even the SuperBowl. Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/ Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins ht...
Ep. 73: So you think you’re woke?
February 13, 2020 18:04 - 1 hour - 91.9 MBToday Trudi & Weeze are sharing their recent masterclass, So You Think You're Woke. We explore why personal development is a critical part of your leadership, the difference between equity and equality, and why it's so important for each of us to do our own work and begin working towards woke. The doors are now open for the next cohort of Working Towards Woke: https://www.nothowthatworks.com/workingtowardswoke Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: https://www.fac...
Ep. 72: Before we lead, we must heal w/ Greg Wieting
February 06, 2020 10:00 - 1 hour - 83.4 MBToday we are joined by trauma healing expert Greg Wietling to continue our series on leadership. We explore creating safe spaces, white privilege, and the importance of understanding the relationship between personal trauma, leadership, and power dynamics. Connect with Greg: https://gregwieting.com Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/ Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.c...
Ep. 71: True leadership requires authentic connection w/ Ruby Fremon
January 30, 2020 19:53 - 1 hour - 102 MBIn this episode Trudi & Weeze are joined by Ruby Fremon, a transformational coach for today’s thought leaders, to discuss defining and redefining leadership. We explore leading with connection and integrity, empowering those you lead and conscious vs self-conscious leadership. Connect with Ruby: instagram.com/iamruby twitter.com/iamruby youtube.com/iamruby facebook.com/iamruby Via text: Text #POTENTTRUTH to 1-781-336-0160 Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: htt...