Does it even make sense to separate product from service design these days? Mark Rolston talks about how these the worlds have been blending into each other. We also talk about the new design materials: data and intelligent systems! We must inherently design for dynamism, but how?! Awesome episode.

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EPISODE GUIDE
2:30 - First encounter with Service Design
5:03 - What is changing in our relationship with products and services?
19:50 - What is happening in the greater world of product design?
29:17 - How do we move forward?
34:50 - Big question: Do you feel truly integrated with product design?

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