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Rounding The Bases With Joel Goldberg

497 episodes - English - Latest episode: 8 days ago - ★★★★★ - 50 ratings

In depth interviews with successful entrepreneurs and leaders that compare the winning traits of sports to business. A long time television sportscaster looks for similarities in teamwork, championship culture, diversity and relationships needed in between and outside the lines.

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Ep. 570 Debbie Lee Part 1| A Mother's Story of a Fallen Hero

March 05, 2021 11:00 - 34 minutes - 31.2 MB

On Aug 2, 2006, Debbie Lee received a knock on the door that would forever change her life. She was notified that her son Marc Alan Lee had been killed in action becoming the first Navy SEAL killed in Iraq. Since that day Debbie has dedicated her life to honoring our troops and the families of the fallen, defending our defenders and fighting to keep the freedoms that our troops have fought for. She is the president and founder of America's Mighty Warriors. This is part one of her story.

Ep. 569 La'Nae and La'Nesha Robinson| Bliss Books & Wine

March 03, 2021 11:00 - 41 minutes - 38.2 MB

In 2019, sisters La'Nae and La'Nesha Robinson followed their dream and founded Bliss Books & Wine to provide an environment and community to indulge in great wine while getting lost in a book. 2020 forced the sisters to pivot and become a solely virtual operation, but their dream was not lost in fact it grew and formed a nationwide community. Bliss Books & WIne is a great story of not allowing anything to come between you and your dreams.

Ep. 568 SJ Barakony| An Edupreneur

March 01, 2021 11:00 - 35 minutes - 32.4 MB

SJ Barakony is an edupreneur, an educator and entrepreneur. He is the founder of SBSL, a business that designs and implements customized educational solutions. SJ is an active mentor, he is a creative thinker, a profound connector, the list goes on and on. Listen in as he discusses his unique career path and his aspiring future plans on this episode of Rounding The Bases.

Ep. 568 SJ Barakony| An Edupreneur

March 01, 2021 11:00 - 35 minutes - 65.7 MB

Connect with SJ SBSL Website Joel Goldberg's Book "Small Ball Big Results" Joel Twitter Joel's Instagram Joel Linkedin Joel's You Tube Page

Ep. 567 Kiona Sinks| A Name You Want to Know

February 26, 2021 11:00 - 49 minutes - 45.4 MB

Kiona Sinks is a social, civic innovator setting the standard for young leaders. Kiona focuses on bridging the generational gap as well as taking action in community engagement. She is a young activist shaping minds as it comes to social justice, inclusion, and diversity. With 10 years of consistent volunteerism, Kiona takes pride in giving back to the community. She is mission-driven connector, and a name you will remember.

Ep. 566 Danny Manning| Coach and Mentor

February 24, 2021 11:00 - 43 minutes - 40 MB

A premier name in basketball, Danny Manning is an accomplished public figure, family man, coach, and 15-year NBA veteran. Manning is known for his passion, honesty, character, positivity and work ethic in helping young people succeed in basketball and off the court in the game of life. Manning's generosity and passion for helping people be successful are apparent every day as he continues to touch countless lives.

Ep. 565 Bob Martin| The Communicator

February 22, 2021 11:00 - 35 minutes - 32.4 MB

With 25 years as a marketing professional, Bob Martin has navigated a career from start-up firms to established companies. During his career as a corporate executive, he worked for Gartlan USA, The Thomas Kinkade company, and the Walt Disney Company. He’s a co-Founder of several businesses, including iWerx, designWerx, The Mercantile, EnCorps45, Digital Legacy, and Martin Marketing Inc. He’s also an adviser to various companies.

Ep. 564 Josh Ross| The Power of Communication

February 19, 2021 11:00 - 32 minutes - 29.8 MB

Josh Ross is the co-founder and CEO of Kerauno, a leading provider of global cloud communications solutions for business around the world. Josh has played a visionary role in the company’s mission to advance human interaction through communication technologies. Under his guidance, the organization has experienced triple digit growth, built national teams for scale, and raised the largest series A funding round in Indiana history - ranked in the top 7% globally.

Ep. 563 Mitch Case | More Than A Meal

February 17, 2021 11:00 - 30 minutes - 28.3 MB

After nine years of being an engineer, Mitch dropped the conservative mindset and established his own definition of success and happiness. In the middle of a pandemic, Mitch decided to go all-in on building different businesses while giving himself the protected time to be more present with two young boys and a loving wife. Even through the fear, the anxiety, and the sleepless nights, he’s never been more happy, more clear, and more excited about the future and the work he gets to do!

Ep. 562 Michelle Wimes I Expert in Diversity and Inclusion

February 15, 2021 11:00 - 44 minutes - 40.9 MB

Michelle Wimes is an impressive Thought Leader, Inclusion Specialist, Global Citizen, Social Justice Advocate, Speaker and Author Chief Equity and Inclusion officer at Children's Mercy Kansas City. The former attorney is a nationally renowned presenter on professional development, diversity and inclusion issues in the workplace. Michelle is highly respected among colleagues and in the community as she continues to make significant changes in the work environment.

Ep. 561 Gary Wilbers I The Positive Culture Mentor

February 12, 2021 11:00 - 32 minutes - 29.6 MB

Gary Wilbers is a successful lifetime entrepreneur. Known as the Positive Culture Mentor, he shares his experienced knowledge by helping individuals & organizations cultivate a positive culture. Gary has authored many books. His passion is working with Special Olympics Missouri. One of his greatest joys is playing unified golf with Keith Lueckenhoff, a Special Olympic athlete.

Ep. 560 Chris Cheatham I Bold Penguin

February 10, 2021 11:00 - 33 minutes - 30.3 MB

Chris Cheatham is the Vice President, Product, Insurance Intelligence for Bold Penguin. He moved into that role in October 2020 after Risk Genius, the company he served as CEO was acquired. Chris is fascinated by the application of technology to the insurance industry. He works with an amazing team to apply machine learning to insurance policies with software that is changing the way policies are reviewed.

Ep. 559 Angie Hundley I A Recipe For Bad Lemons

February 08, 2021 11:00 - 40 minutes - 37.4 MB

Giving up has never been an option. She has overcome an array of circumstances and events. Angie used each negative circumstance to fuel her drive to be more than what the low success rates for foster children would allow. After being abused and abandoned, she couldn’t have anticipated just how successful she would become. She shares in her book, A Recipe For Bad Lemons, a few of the sweet ingredients that resulted in co-owning a multi-million dollar company and being the mom of four.

Ep. 558 Jeff Eckert I Catholic Charities of Kansas City-St. Joseph

February 05, 2021 11:00 - 37 minutes - 34.1 MB

Jeff Eckert is a sports referee, author and CFO of Catholic Charities of Kansas City-St. Joe. He is the proverbial "jack of all trades" in his life. Exploring new horizons and challenges seems to drive him onward. This includes rising up through the ranks in Fortune 500 and nonprofit environments. This unique experience allows him to see how the parts fit together and be a globally effective decision maker. More importantly, Jeff is a mentor at heart with a desire to be a positive influence.

Ep. 557 Karen Cernkovich I Junior League of Kansas City, DMC Service

February 03, 2021 11:00 - 39 minutes - 35.8 MB

Karen Crnkovich is an active member of the Junior League of Kansas City, MO and serves as current President. Karen the first “plumber” President in the 107 year history of the JLKCMO. Karen is 100% owner and Chief Hand-Shaker of DMC Service, Inc. a Kansas City based HVAC and plumbing service contractor. She is founder of Strong Homes-Strong Families, a charity focusing on helping homeowners in need.

Ep. 555 Jaysen Van Sickle I Hope Faith Homeless Assistance Campus

January 29, 2021 14:03 - 35 minutes - 32.5 MB

Jaysen Van Sickle has worked in a wide array of professions, from the restaurant and bar industry to corporate America to education as a professor. But his most significant role is his current position of executive director at Hope Faith, an organization that works to alleviate homelessness and poverty in Kansas City by providing basic necessities and critical services and programs to empower individuals experiencing homelessness and at-risk individuals to become self-sufficient and indepen...

Ep. 556 Daniel Harris I Muddy Boots Leadership

January 28, 2021 22:01 - 55 minutes - 51.1 MB

Daniel Harris is a 30-year veteran of the U.S. armed forces, the founder of Muddy Boots Leadership and the author of the book, On Guard: The Four Pillars of Leadership. Lt. Colonel Harris is also an adjunct professor teaching graduate-level business courses at Mercy College. He has strategic level experience from working at the DoD and can leverage experiential learning solutions through teaching, coaching and mentoring leaders.

Ep. 554 Lee Gibson, Christine McDonald & Adam Laroche Part 2 I RPOR

January 27, 2021 11:00 - 57 minutes - 52.3 MB

In part two of an interview about Relentless Pursuit Outreach and Recovery, a nonprofit hoping to end sex trafficking in the Kansas City area, founder Lee Gibson is joined by board member Christine McDonald, a trafficking survivor, and former MLB player Adam Laroche to talk about Christine’s Place, RPOR’s drop-in center an crisis shelter that offers a safe, non-judgmental place for prostituted people from all backgrounds and races.

Ep. 553 Lee Gibson Part 1 I RPOR

January 25, 2021 11:00 - 30 minutes - 28.2 MB

Lee Gibson is a former U.S. Army Ranger. When not working for the military or government, he has been a firefighter, police officer, diver, boxer and MMA fighter but found his true calling starting Relentless Pursuit Outreach and Recovery. RPOR is a veteran owned non-profit of former military special operation, intelligence community, law enforcement, social service workers, legal professionals, business owners and church leaders. The organization’s goal is to end sex trafficking in the area.

Ep. 552 John Gordon, Jr. I BoysGrow

January 22, 2021 16:02 - 37 minutes - 25.8 MB

John Gordon Jr. is the Founder and Executive Director of Kansas City based BoysGrow. Since its inception in 2010, he has been responsible for designing, executing and overseeing the organization's approach to youth development. A graduate of UMKC, after working in the Northern California Juvenile Court System and seeing the positive impact agriculture had on young people, he relocated back to KC to start BoysGrow.

Ep. 551 Jason Kander I Veterans Community Project

January 20, 2021 11:00 - 48 minutes - 44.6 MB

Jason Kander was the first millennial in the nation elected to a statewide office when he served as Missouri Secretary of State. His podcast, Majority 54, debuted at #1 on iTunes in 2017, He ran for mayor of Kansas City. Three months into that campaign he ended his candidacy to seek treatment for PTSD he’d been struggling with since coming home from Afghanistan. He reemerged in 2019 with a new role in public service as president of Veterans Community Project.

Ep. 550 Nathan Magers and Ryan Maid I Mindful By Blue KC Special Series Part 6

January 19, 2021 11:00 - 42 minutes - 38.5 MB

Rounding The Bases, in conjunction with Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Kansas City, concludes its special series on mental health and the importance of mindfulness. The stressful situations that veterans and first responders deal with on a daily basis can take a toll on their behavioral health. Joel sat down down to discuss the topic with The Battle Within Program Director Nathan Magers, behavioral health expert Whitney Logan, and Kansas City Royals Director of Behavioral Health Science.

Ep. 549 Wade Foster I Zapier

January 18, 2021 11:00 - 32 minutes - 29.8 MB

Wade Foster is the CEO and co-founder of Zapier, a workflow automation tool used to connect work apps you use every day. Zapier is a 100% distributed team helping people across the world automate the boring and tedious parts of their job by helping everyone connect the web applications they already use. Wade grew up in Jefferson City, MO and started Zapier with two co-founders in 2011.

Ep. 548 Jim Atwater & Scott Brouillette I InReturn Strategies

January 15, 2021 11:00 - 46 minutes - 42.6 MB

Jim Atwater is the founder of InReturn Strategies and Scott Brouillette is the CEO. Atwater is a deaf entrepreneur who started the company because workers with disabilities are regularly overlooked and undervalued by employers. InReturn helps companies break the cycle of pouring millions of dollars into inclusion programs that are "extra and special" efforts, and helps companies simply be inclusive as an everyday.

Ep. 547 Lauren Lucht I Mindful By Blue KC Special Series Part 5

January 14, 2021 11:00 - 44 minutes - 40.5 MB

Rounding The Bases, in conjunction with Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Kansas City, continues its special series on mental health and the importance of mindfulness. Dr. Lauren Lucht, Licensed Clinical Psychologist and Executive Director of Mental and Behavioral Health at the University of Kansas Health System, talks with behavioral health experts Kristin Gernon from BlueCrossBlueShieldKC andWhitney Logan from The Battle Within as they discuss access to behavioral healthcare for frontline workers.

Ep. 546 Dr. Rob Bell I Puke And Rally

January 13, 2021 11:00 - 35 minutes - 32.7 MB

Dr. Rob Bell is a sport psychology coach, author, and speaker. He’s worked with 3 different winners of the PGA Tour and mental coach for the University of Notre Dame, Indy Eleven, and many more. With several ironman competitions, marathons, and a 50-mile trail run under his belt, he’s going to complete a 100-mile trail run this fall. He has a podcast focused on mental toughness and interviews those in the mental health field. He’s published in over a dozen articles.

Ep. 545 Kim Colegrove I Mindful By Blue KC Special Series Part 4

January 12, 2021 11:00 - 41 minutes - 38 MB

Rounding The Bases, in conjunction with Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Kansas City, continues its special series on mental health. Guest Kim Colegrove is the founder of Pause First, an organization that supports first responders through wellness programming and mindfulness instruction. Kim is also the primary meditation instructor at The Battle Within, working with veterans and first responders through that program.

Ep. 544 Andy Neary | Complete Game Coaching Program

January 11, 2021 11:00 - 33 minutes - 30.5 MB

Andy Neary is a former Professional Baseball Player, pitching in the Milwaukee Brewers organization. He's a two-time Ironman finisher, Business Coach, and Founder of the Complete Game coaching program. Andy’s mission is to help business professionals build the mindset, habits, and rituals “off the field” that lead to all-star performance on it. His website is www.andyneary.com

Ep. 543 Bob Davis | The Dream Is Real

January 08, 2021 11:00 - 36 minutes - 33.4 MB

Bob Davis is the former voice of the Kansas Jayhawks football and basketball teams and the Kansas City Royals. The Kansas Hall of Fame broadcaster and 14-time winner of the Kansas Sportscaster of the Year Award has written a book called “The Dream is Real: My Life on the Airwaves.” The Book includes stories dating back to Bob watching Mickey Mantle as a child. Bob quit law school to pursue his dream. A Prevailing theme in the book is perseverance, focus and hard work.

Ep. 542 Kelly Specht I Mindful By Blue KC Special Series Part 3

January 07, 2021 11:00 - 40 minutes - 36.6 MB

Rounding The Bases, in conjunction with Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Kansas City continues its special series on mental health. Guest Kelly Specht is a passionate advocate. Kelly and her husband, Bob, created the foundation, Carl’s Cause following the devastating loss of their 27-year-old son, Carl. Carl died in 2017, the result of depression, stigma that surrounds mental illness and the lack of access to care.

Ep. 541 Lou Diamond |Thrive

January 06, 2021 15:10 - 37 minutes - 34.2 MB

Lou Diamond is a dynamic speaker and master connector who energizes and motivate organizations and helps them with sales growth, client retention and culture building. For over 25 years he has been a top sales performer, keynote speaker and performance mentor. Lou is a consultant; best-selling author; podcast & TV host; and CEO of Thrive, helping businesses, leaders and brands thrive through the power of connecting. He has hosted more than 500 episodes of his podcast Thrive Loud.

Ep. 540 Chris Goode | Ruby Jean's Juicery

January 04, 2021 11:00 - 33 minutes - 30.9 MB

Chris Goode is the Founder of Ruby Jean’s Juicery based in Kansas City. Goode is a passionate entrepreneur who started his company in 2015 to honor the early death of his Grandmother Ruby Jean. He believes had his grandmother had the knowledge of juicing and a healthy lifestyle that she’d still be alive. He has made it his life’s work to educate youth and communities and integrate the juicing culture in his hometown by locating the flagship Ruby Jean’s in a food desert he grew up near.

Ep. 539 Josh Freeman, Chase Coffman and Martin Rucker

December 30, 2020 11:00 - 42 minutes - 39.1 MB

Former NFL and Mizzou tight ends Martin Rucker and Chase Coffman made post football pivots to the construction and finance worlds. Former Kansas State and NFL quarterback Josh Freeman now lives in the world of business and investments. All three joined Joel to talk about the keys to finding a passion and a new career.

Ep. 538 Angie Salava, Kristin Gernon I Mindful By Blue KC Special Series Part 2

December 29, 2020 11:00 - 39 minutes - 36 MB

Depression, anxiety, substance use, and other behavioral health conditions can impact how we manage our physical health and daily living challenges. Kristin Gernon from Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Kansas City and Angie Salava from Olathe Schools and the Johnson County Suicide Prevention Coalition continue the discussion in our special series on mental health and talk about about how we can support teen behavioral health during COVID-19, remote learning, and a tough holiday season.

Ep. 537 Jeff Hanson Tribute | Jeff Hanson Art

December 28, 2020 11:00 - 1 hour - 55.5 MB

Jeff Hanson was born with a genetic condition called neurofibromatosis. He started painting at age 12 during chemotherapy and radiation for a brain tumor and in spite of a visual impairment and a learning disability, The world renowned and award winning artist passed away from a new brain tumor Dec. 20, 2020 Elton John is one of the many celebrities who has bought some of Jeff’s artwork.  Hanson raised millions of dollars for charity

Ep. 536 Karl Eberle | TECS

December 23, 2020 11:00 - 32 minutes - 30 MB

Karl Eberle is the founder of TECS LLC, an interactive consulting firm targeted to work directly with senior leadership regarding organizational effectiveness, functional process improvements and value add enhancements. Karl spent nearly 20 years working in management for John Deere and another 20 plus with Harley-Davidson before retiring and starting TECS.

Ep. 535 Zero Reasons Why| Mindful By Blue KC Special Series Part 1

December 22, 2020 11:00 - 36 minutes - 33.5 MB

One in four Americans experience behavioral health issues at some point in their life, and yet, for so many, behavioral health is difficult to talk about. Joel has partnered with Blue Cross and Blue Shield of Kansas City for a special series about mental health. The first episode features two passionate students talking about some of the issues facing teens and how open communication is vital. They are involved with Zero Reasons Why, a community mobilization and story campaign to prevent te...

Ep. 534 Berta Medina| Dreamers Succeed

December 21, 2020 11:00 - 39 minutes - 36.3 MB

Berta Medina is an eternal optimist who believes in the power of generosity and is passionate about sharing her message that dreamers truly succeed! She left a 28-year career in title insurance after a life changing mission trip where she climbed Mt. Kilimanjaro. Berta helps businesses and individuals connect genuinely, give generously, and reach a level of success and fulfillment. Berta is a speaker, coach, author, and host of a podcast.

Ep. 533 Dan LeFave| LeFave Coaching

December 18, 2020 11:00 - 33 minutes - 30.8 MB

Dan is the “No Excuse” 7-Figure High-Performance Business Coach and Mindset Engineer. Since 2012, he’s helped entrepreneurs cut the time it takes to succeed and reach their goals in half and double their productivity. He’s been featured in Success Profiles Magazine and interviewed on shows from London to New York.

Ep. 533 Dan LeFave| LeFave Coaching

December 18, 2020 11:00 - 33 minutes - 63 MB

Click here to learn more about LeFave Coaching Dan's productivity Planner Joel Goldberg's Book "Small Ball Big Results" Joel Twitter Joel's Instagram Joel Linkedin Joel's You Tube Page

Ep. 532 Michael Tracy| OMNI Human Resource Management

December 16, 2020 11:00 - 27 minutes - 25.3 MB

Michael Tracy is owner and Managing Principal of OMNI Human Resource Management, a management and human resources consulting firm located in Overland Park, KS. OMNI employs a staff of 20 professionals and has served over 500 organizations throughout the region. Prior to forming his company in 1998, Michael spent over 20 years working in corporate human resource leadership roles with various companies. Since 1998, Michael has spent considerable time working within small and mid-size market e...

Ep. 531 Alain Hunkins| Hunkins Leadership Group

December 14, 2020 11:00 - 31 minutes - 28.9 MB

Alain Hunkins is CEO of the Hunkins Leadership Group and the author of Cracking The Leadership Code: Three Secrets To Building Strong Leaders. 71% of organizations say their leaders are not future-ready. 18% of HR professionals think their leadership bench strength is strong. 70% of the variance in organizational culture is due to the leader. Alain knows leadership matters and he's worked with more than 2000 groups in 25 countries on the topic.

Ep. 530 Amber Schreiber, Lindsay Krumbholz & Michelle Reeves| The Golden Scoop

December 11, 2020 11:00 - 28 minutes - 26 MB

Michelle Reeves, Amber Schreiber and Lindsay Krumbholz are opening The Golden Scoop in early 2021, featuring ice cream, coffee and a lot of good feelings! Their mission is to provide meaningful employment for people with developmental disabilities. Employees, also known as "Super Scoopers," will be supported by a managing staff and with Volunteer Coaches. The goal is to foster an environment in which employees feel empowered and successful while bringing joy and awareness to the community.

Ep. 529 Tom Ziglar| Ziglar, Inc.

December 09, 2020 11:00 - 34 minutes - 31.8 MB

Tom Ziglar is the son of legendary motivational speaker Zig Ziglar and has been CEO of Ziglar, Inc since 1994. Zig inspired hundreds of millions of people worldwide, sharing a message of integrity and effort and Tom carries his father's legacy on as a speaker, trainer and coach. Ziglar has pivoted during the pandemic and made adjustments while still focusing on the values Zig lived by throughout his long and impactful life.

Ep. 528 Melissa Vincent| Pipeline Entrepreneurs

December 07, 2020 11:00 - 27 minutes - 25.2 MB

Melissa Vincent is Executive Director of Pipeline Entrepreneurs, a network of high-performing entrepreneurs in the Midwest with access to a national network of experts who share a passion for the Pipeline family. Through Pipeline, entrepreneurs invest in their own professional development, and also give generously of their time, talent and capital to enable them to build global businesses from wherever they choose. Melissa is a long time entrepreneur herself in Oklahoma City and a tech startu...

Ep. 527 Bruce Chen and Monica Ramirez| Carlos Fortuna Organization

December 04, 2020 11:00 - 40 minutes - 36.9 MB

Former MLB pitcher Bruce Chen is Vice President of the Carlos Fortuna Organization. Monica Ramirez, an English instructor with the Kansas City Royals is President. Carlos was a young Royals pitcher with a bright future before he was diagnosed with stage IV liver cancer. The Carlos Fortuna Organization carries on the legacy of a man who passed away at the age of 22. Their vision is to help parents of young men, who are preparing to become professional baseball players in Latin American count...

Ep. 526 Lori Coulter| Summersalt

December 02, 2020 11:00 - 32 minutes - 30.1 MB

Lori Coulter is the Co-Founder and CEO of Summersalt, a disruptive direct-to-consumer sustainable swimwear brand that launched in 2017. Summersalt’s product is data-backed with 1.5 million measurements taken from 10,000 women’s body scans. As a female founder, Lori is passionate about empowering women entrepreneurs and designers and advises students at her alma mater Washington University in St. Louis. Listeners of Rounding The Bases can use the code Joy10 for a $10 gift at www.summersalt...

Ep. 525 Wendy Guillies| Kauffman Foundation

November 30, 2020 11:00 - 37 minutes - 34.4 MB

Wendy Guillies is the President and CEO of the Ewing Marion Kauffman Foundation. With more than $2.5B in assets, the Kauffman Foundation is one of the largest private foundations in the United States. Guillies leads the Foundation’s work to boost student achievement in the Kansas City region and to accelerate entrepreneurship across the country. Before becoming CEO, she served as the Foundations Vice President of Communications.

Ep. 524 Tami Greenberg| Ronald McDonald House Charities KC

November 27, 2020 11:00 - 32 minutes - 30.1 MB

Tami Greenberg was named CEO of the Ronald McDonald House Charities of Kansas City in July 2015 after working years in the nonprofit sector with the National MS Society and the United Way. She views herself as equal parts businesswoman and social worker and has an Executive MBA from UMKC. Ronald McDonald House Charities help keep families with sick children close to each other and the supportive services they need during challenging times.

Ep. 522 Simon Sinek l The Infinite Game

November 25, 2020 15:01 - 26 minutes - 24.3 MB

Author and highly sought after speaker Simon Sinek was a guest at the Helzberg Entrepreneurial Mentoring Program’s virtual retreat in October 2020 and Joel served as the facilitator. Sinek spoke about his new book The Infinite Game and the tendency of businesses often making the mistake of playing the finite game of wins and losses. He explained why the pandemic does not be lead to uncertain times and discussed the need for empathy due to the trauma caused by Covid-19.

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