On The Brink
293 episodes - English - Latest episode: 2 days ago -John A. Brink is a self-made entrepreneur, best-selling author, ADHD advocate and the oldest competitive bodybuilder in North America who seeks out experts from all walks of life to learn and share their stories.
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Episode 139: Olivia Silvana
July 12, 2023 16:00 - 1 hour - 57 MBFormer School Psychologist turned entrepreneur, Olivia has always been a free-spirit who didn’t fit or function well inside of a box. Olivia has over 16 years in the mental health field and over 10 years of direct experience as a clinician. ADHD has always been one of her specialties.. She is trauma-informed as well as certified in mindfulness and other evidence-based modalities. Despite her knowledge on ADHD, she went undiagnosed most of her life, which resulted in a clinical level burn...
Episode 138: Michelle Ouellet
July 07, 2023 15:22 - 1 hour - 57 MBMichelle Ouellet's passion for hair began at the young age of 5 when she learned to french braid her sister’s hair from watching her mother. She started braiding people’s hair in the park for money at the age of ten, and by the age of 16 had converted her closet into a mini salon for friends and family. Upon graduation from high school, Michelle moved to Calgary and started an apprenticeship. After the birth of her first child, she moved home to Prince George and completed hairdressing sc...
Episode 137: Marty Anderson
July 06, 2023 15:12 - 1 hour - 65.5 MBMarty Anderson was born and raised in Prince George, and has raised a family of four daughters in this wonderful community. After a 30 year career in forestry and construction, Marty moved over to radio (Vista Radio – 94.3 The Goat and Country 97FM) and has recently "semi-retired" to focus on his writing and the family dog business. Marty is also an author. Taking a usually humorous look at some of life’s trials and tribulations on his blog, "The Involved Husband" Marty’s stories have been...
Episode 136: Katie Paolucci
July 05, 2023 16:30 - 54 minutes - 50 MBKatie Paolucci is a certified personal trainer, pilot, cyclist, health and fitness advocate and proud member of the Wheelin’ Warriors of the North team, which helps raise money for the BC Cancer Foundation. Katie is the lead Health Promotion Supervisor at the YMCA. Her main area is running their hip and knee program, as well as pre- and post-surgery rehab. She also runs another program called Small Steps for Big Changes. This is a university study being put on by Dr. Mary Jung of UBCO. It’...
Episode 135: Daryl Bouchard
June 30, 2023 16:02 - 51 minutes - 46.7 MBDaryl Bouchard is a certified Holistic Nutritionist with a military background. She served in the Canadian Armed Forces for nine years prior to starting her own nutrition coaching business. Daryl created TEAM D Nutrition because she saw a lack of education sharing within the nutrition field and believed that she could help bridge that gap for some. Daryl currently only takes on female clients, as she specializes in hormonal balance for women. The main focus is education and empowerment...
Episode 134: Christina Doll
June 29, 2023 15:55 - 59 minutes - 54.2 MBChristina Doll is an economic development, communications, and marketing specialist with a background in broadcast journalism. Born and raised on the traditional and unceded territory of the Lheidli Tenneh First Nation in the city of Prince George, she is passionate about facilitating economic growth in the city she has called home for most of her life and in communities across the North. After working as a broadcast journalist in Prince George for five years, she found her true calling i...
Episode 133: John A. Brink
June 19, 2023 22:39 - 55 minutes - 50.8 MBIn this solo podcast episode, John Brink discusses the history of the British Columbia forest industry and why it is currently in a major crisis.
Episode 132: Joel Ewert
June 16, 2023 13:37 - 49 minutes - 45.5 MBJoel Ewert is a Prince George resident and Team Canada wheelchair basketball and wheelchair rugby athlete, who has a passion for education as he pursues his goal of becoming a cardiologist. Joel, who already completed his first degree in biomedical studies at the University of Northern British Columbia, is currently working on his second degree in First Nations studies as he tries to get into medical school. Born with cerebral palsy, Ewert was first introduced to wheelchair basketball by t...
Episode 131: Jeff McWilliams
June 14, 2023 19:36 - 1 hour - 65.5 MBJeff McWilliams has more than 30 years of experience in forest resource management and wood processing operations, both as a consultant and in private enterprise. His main areas of expertise are in strategic assessment and planning for various forest resource applications, silviculture practices and operational planning audits, silviculture and stand management prescriptions, and management of harvesting and silviculture operations. Jeff has extensive experience managing large projects wi...
Episode 130: Cees de Jager
June 08, 2023 16:30 - 1 hour - 58.1 MBCees de Jager is the President and CEO of the Softwood Lumber Board for Canada and the United States. Starting his forest products industry career with MacMillan Bloedel in 1995, Cees progressed through sales, marketing and leadership roles within the company, and later, with Weyerhaeuser. In 2002, Cees founded Hunter Consulting International a full-service consultancy specializing in forest products and building materials. The company quickly established itself as a leader in its field – d...
Episode 129: Katie Carter
June 07, 2023 21:02 - 1 hour - 60.5 MBKatie Carter is a Certified Personal Trainer & Nutrition Coach. She started her Online Coaching business in 2020 during the final year of her studies at the University of Northern British Columbia, where she obtained a Bachelor of Science in Psychology. Katie Carter Fitness is a successful business focusing on helping clients improve all aspects of their life - both mentally & physically. To Katie, improving your health is about much more than just working out and eating healthy. In Ka...
Episode 128: Stuart Cohen
June 07, 2023 04:59 - 51 minutes - 47.6 MBStuart Cohen is a certified ADHD life coach, empowering motivational speaker, entrepreneur andauthor.Diagnosed with ADHD at age 47, Stuart went through a deeply emotional period of reflection,revelation and activation inspiring him to achieve ADHD life coach certification. His new book will be titled ADHD Un-Shamed: 100 ADHD Success Stories. His purpose is to give hope to the ADHDers from ADHDers of all ages, genders, cultures and skill sets. An entrepreneur for 16-years, Stuart is an infl...
Episode 127: Chase Tuftin
June 01, 2023 15:59 - 1 hour - 67.4 MBChase Tuftin lives for the art of the fight. As an amateur boxing coach, owner of the Wolves Den Boxing Club in Prince George, and competing jiujitsu athlete, Chase knows what it takes to win both the physical and mental battles that come with competition. Chase believes in creating true warriors in the gym. Those who not only have the skill to win the bout itself, but those who have the courage and confidence to face themselves both in and out of the ring. Learn more about the Wolves Den...
Episode 126: Kyndra Farrell
May 31, 2023 14:15 - 1 hour - 62 MBKyndra is a young entrepreneur from Northern British Columbia who owns two successful businesses and works full-time in the forest industry. She started her career and businesses from her experiences as an evacuee from the Shovel Lake forest fire. Her first business is an industrial maintenance contracting company with her fiancé that they have been operating for two years. They have 17 employees, as well as significant contacts with West Fraser, Canfor, Northwest Wood Treaters and many ...
Episode 125: Rachelle Diachuk
May 26, 2023 18:11 - 1 hour - 66.8 MBRachelle began her teaching journey in 2016 with the intention to share her love of intuitive movement. Her passionate nature is infused into her teachings, enveloping her students in an atmosphere thats welcome and warm. Known for her high vibrational teaching and direct cues she inspires and encourages her students with fluidity and grace. In Rachelle’s classes she invites her students to focus on sensations, enabling them to get into their body and out of their heads. Her approach to te...
Episode 124: Doug Clark
May 25, 2023 16:15 - 1 hour - 55.2 MBDoug Clark is an entrepreneur, personal trainer, online coach, YouTuber, Podcaster, and owner of two successful businesses in Prince George: Northern Baseball Training and DC Fitness. The unexpected passing of his mother in December 2021 drove Doug to take his love of fitness and turn it into his mission to help busy moms like her change their lives and make their health a priority. Since then, he’s helped over 150 women change their lives through health and fitness. Doug’s work ethic an...
Episode 123: Ana Trujillo
May 17, 2023 13:44 - 47 minutes - 43.9 MBAna Trujillo is the Owner and Creator behind Grey + Oak. Her company specializes in creating handmade signage that is unique and custom to every occasion. In 2020, Ana took a leap into entrepreneurship and decided to follow her passion and dreams. She just had her first child and knew that staying at home to raise her kids was important, but It was also crucial that she continued to create and follow her passions. She began by creating custom wood signs and within her first year of launchin...
Episode 122: Murf Laidlaw
May 12, 2023 13:50 - 1 hour - 60.3 MBMurf Laidlaw was born and raised playing multiple sports in Prince George, British Columbia. He was a national champion youth skier in his younger days, then turned to pro volleyball after graduating high school from Kelly Road Secondary School. Murf’s first career out of high school made him famous. He landed a career with Molson Marketing in Vancouver and officially became knowing as "Murf the Pilsner Guy." He created the slogan “I Love My Life Right Now” which went viral across the cou...
Episode 121: Bruce Blackwell
May 11, 2023 13:18 - 56 minutes - 51.8 MBBruce Blackwell has over 30 years experience as a Professional forester and biologist, much of which has been related to fire and forest ecology, silviculture, vegetation management and forest practice audits and reviews. He is a specialist in forest fire science and has completed numerous projects on this subject including a fire risk assessment for British Columbia and numerous fire management plans for both the public and private sectors. Bruce assisted the Firestorm 2003 Review Team in...
Episode 120: Katie Sue
May 10, 2023 15:42 - 1 hour - 61.1 MBKatie Sue is an ADHD advocate with a massive online following. Katie was labeled a daydreamer in school, though throughout young adulthood, she was seen as happy and funny. And yet, she was suffering. For years, Katie wondered why she didn't quite fit in, why friends were hard to keep or why she couldn't stick to one thing without leaving it to pursue another. Last year, at 29 years old, Katie was diagnosed with ADHD. She started The KDHD Podcast with a mission to give others a taste of wh...
Episode 119: Carolina Hiller
May 04, 2023 22:36 - 51 minutes - 47.1 MBCarolina Hiller (Lina) is a world champion long track speed skater from Prince George. The 26-year-old Prince George Blizzard Speed Skating Club alumnus recently won the women’s team sprint earlier at the ISU World Speed Skating Championships in Heerenveen, Netherlands. After graduating from high school she moved from Prince George, BC, to Calgary, AB, where she spent four years on Canada's 'Next Gen' national team program from 2017 to 2021. She was dropped from the team in 2021 and lost h...
Episode 118: Mindy Stroet
May 01, 2023 16:25 - 48 minutes - 44.9 MBMindy Stroet, CFRE, is the Director of Development for the Prince George Community Foundation. Founded in 1995, the Prince George Community Foundation is an independent, volunteer-driven, charitable organization that brings together people who care about their community. The Foundation facilitates philanthropy, by partnering with donors to build permanent endowment funds that support community projects. The Foundation offers you the unique opportunity to support your community and to shar...
Episode 117: Zandra Ross
April 28, 2023 17:07 - 1 hour - 62.6 MBZandra is the founder of Zandra Ross Consulting. Zandra is a leadership mentor and coach who helps ambitious people overcome obstacles and evolve into the next version of their selves to achieve greater success and happiness in their life and career. She does this through private and group facilitation, team building, and strategic planning sessions. With both online and in-person programs and courses available. She mastered how to stop her own past storylines and events from becoming lim...
Episode 116: Steve Baker
April 27, 2023 04:42 - 1 hour - 58.8 MBSteve Baker is one of the most talented musicians to ever call Prince George home. He’s originally from Newfoundland, though he grew up in Mackenzie, and has become a very popular local high school teachers. Steve has coordinated various musical productions over the years with high school students and is currently teaching at Duchess Park Secondary School. Steve hosts many musical gigs around Prince George, many of which are fundraisers, where he performs with his guitar on-stage at the c...
Episode 115: Alex Mackenzie
April 20, 2023 14:00 - 1 hour - 58.6 MBIn 2019, Alex Mackenzie left his six-figure pulp mill job in Prince George to chase his dream of becoming a fulltime stand-up comedian. Alex sold his house and bought an RV to travel to gigs across the country with his dog Finley. He is now is now an internationally recognized touring comedian with over 40 million views on his online videos. Mackenzie tours around the world performing in sold out theatres. He’s performed at the Melbourne Comedy Festival, is the Host of the Hungry for Laughs...
Episode 114: Brooklyn Derksen
April 19, 2023 13:59 - 1 hour - 61.7 MBBrooklyn Derksen is a local certified Yoga teacher and Level 1 iRest (Integrative Restoration) Meditation teacher. She has a passion to advocate for Mental Health and Complex Chronic Disease Awareness and to share tools for stress management, mental health support, healing and all around wellbeing. She was born and raised in Prince George BC, where she currently teaches yoga classes and workshops around releasing stress. Brooklyn is also a proud advocate for Mental Health Week in Canada, p...
Episode 113: David Elstone
April 13, 2023 20:37 - 51 minutes - 47.5 MBDavid Elstone, RPF, is a professional forester and a highly-regarded industry expert with over 25 years of experience within the forest sector. Recently David has served as Executive Director of the Truck Loggers Association (TLA), advocating on behalf of the British Columbia forest industry's supply chain. Before the TLA, David worked for 10 years as a senior analyst for ERA Forest Products Research, focusing on the global forest products markets to advise institutional investors and gov...
Episode 112: Russ Taylor
April 13, 2023 02:06 - 1 hour - 82.4 MBRuss Taylor's background in the forest industry started in 1974 and encompasses forestry, manufacturing, marketing and consulting positions. Mr. Taylor was responsible for forestry operations in the 1970s (Northwood). He then held various sawmill management activities at three divisions of Interfor in the 1980s, including log purchasing, custom cutting, value-added remanufacturing, lumber sales manager and new product development. His global wood consulting career started in 1988. Russ h...
Episode 111: Andrea Sowers
April 06, 2023 07:00 - 52 minutes - 48.4 MBAndrea Sowers is the Founder and Executive Director of the non-profit LUVS Northern Animal Rescue. This animal rescue service is located in Prince George, British Columbia, and has helped save over 3,000 animals throughout the province since 2018. This non-profit is led by a strong team of volunteers, mainly hard-working moms, as well as hundreds of animal foster parents throughout Northern British Columbia. Please consider making a donation to this incredible non-profit.
Episode 110: Dave Peterson
April 05, 2023 17:13 - 1 hour - 61.4 MBDave Peterson recently retired from the position of Assistant Deputy Minister of Community Disaster Recovery, Lytton in the Ministry of Emergency Management and Climate Readiness. He has worked in Dave Peterson forestry since 1973 both in and outside of government. Dave was the ADM of Rural Development, Lands and Innovation, Provincial Chief Forester, and Deputy Minister of Forests, Lands and Natural Resource Operations. While Chief Forester, he was instrumental in the formation of FESBC ...
Episode 109: Mayor Simon Yu
April 03, 2023 16:28 - 56 minutes - 51.4 MBMayor Simon Yu was born in Hong Kong and has been an active member of the Prince George Community for nearly 50 years. He won the municipal election on October 15, 2022. Mayor Yu's scope of work and community involvement includes: Director for University of Northern British Columbia Director for the Prince George Airport Authority Founding committee member of Woodwords Initiative Mayor Yu is a professional engineer who has taught engineering at College of New Caledonia, and he had an ...
Episode 108: Kylie Lewis Holt
March 31, 2023 13:46 - 1 hour - 58.5 MBOne of the funniest individuals in Canada, Kylie Lewis Holt moved to Prince George from Eastern Canada and has loved comedy her entire life. Kylie is a full-time comedian, who has been performing at various clubs and venues throughout British Columbia, and will inevitably one day win a Juno. As a mom, wife and barber, Kylie has made it her mission to chase her passion of comedy. Kylie has a weekly spot on a local radio show – CFIS-FM – and has also spent time modeling, which she did this p...
Episode 107: Garrett Dobson
March 30, 2023 17:14 - 53 minutes - 48.9 MBBorn and raised in Prince George, British Columbia, Garrett attended the University of Northern B.C., where he studied business with a double major in Finance and Marketing. While attending UNBC Garrett completed his Canadian Securities Course and Life License Qualification Program to become a dually licensed Financial Advisor. He began working at the Assante Wealth Management office in Prince George while finishing his studies. Upon graduation Garrett began his career as a Financial Advi...
Episode 106: Aimee Cassie
March 24, 2023 18:20 - 55 minutes - 51.1 MBAimee is a northerner at heart, living in and loving Prince George her entire life. After working in management most of her career, she found her love of the not-for-profit sector while doing volunteer work locally. Driven by the desire to help her community and those impacted by cancer, she changed career paths and joined the Canadian Cancer Society as the coordinator of the largest, top earning, and only 24-hour Relay For Life in Canada. Through her time with CCS, she held a few differe...
Episode 105: Jim Girvan
March 22, 2023 04:49 - 1 hour - 63.5 MBJim Girvan is a Registered Professional Forester (RPF) who has dedicated over four decades of his life to the British Columbia forest industry. Jim's name is synonymous across North America in respect to fibre supply forecasting and the varied lobby efforts on the part of independent timber harvesting contractors, consultants, forest licensees, and investors. Residing in Ladysmith. BC, Jim is a recipient of the Distinguished Forest Professional Award from the Association of BC Forest Profe...
Episode 104: Chief Dolly Logan
March 17, 2023 20:23 - 1 hour - 55.2 MBChief Dolleen Logan was elected Chief of the Lheidli T’enneh Nation on April 8, 2021. Prior to that, she served as Councillor for six years. Chief Logan has worked for the nation for the past 13 years in various capacities and most recently as Lead Executive Assistant. Chief Logan brings a team-oriented approach to Council operations and plans to involve Lheidli Elders more in key decision making. She also believes strongly in regular communication with members as Council’s job is to serve...
Episode 103: Shirley Bond
March 17, 2023 02:40 - 1 hour - 60.8 MBShirley Bond is one of the most respected leaders in Prince George's history. She was first elected in 2001 as the MLA for Prince George-Valemount. Shirley currently serves as the Shadow Minister for Health, Seniors Services and Long-Term Care. Shirley has extensive experience serving as Minister of Jobs, Tourism and Skills Training and Minister Responsible for Labour, Deputy Premier, Minister of Transportation and Infrastructure, Minister of Education, Minister Responsible for Early Learn...
Episode 102: Dan and Roberta McLaren
March 16, 2023 04:22 - 1 hour - 64.4 MBDan McLaren was raised on Vancouver Island. He moved to Prince George in 1987. In 1995, after a successful career in commercial banking, Dan founded Commonwealth Financial. Dan has served on many corporate and philanthropic boards, including: BC Rail, Junior Achievement of BC, the BC Chamber of Commerce and is a Past President the BC & Yukon Junior Chamber of Commerce. He is the Founding President of the Rocky Mountain Rangers Regimental Association (PG Branch). He is also the Founding Cha...
Episode 101: Nicole Currie
March 09, 2023 23:56 - 59 minutes - 54.8 MBNicole Currie coordinates the Meals on Wheels program for the Prince George Council of Seniors. Prince George Council of Seniors (PGCOS) – located on Brunswick Street in downtown Prince George - has been providing affordable and nutritious hot noon meals to elderly, homebound, post-operative, and disabled individuals for over 20 years now. PGCOS is very proud of its Meals on Wheels Service, as well as the fact that Meals on Wheels is much more than just food delivery; it's literally sav...
Episode 100: Selen Alpay
March 08, 2023 06:47 - 1 hour - 69 MBSelen is the owner of the Canadian Tire store in Prince George. His career with this company began in 1978, progressing through the ranks over a 15-year span before acquiring a store in Ontario in 1993. Since then, Selen has had stores in Greenwood, Nova Scotia and Kenora, Ontario. Since moving to Prince George, Selen has served on several boards including Prince George’s Health Communities Committee, the YMCA, Habitat for Humanity, the Baldy Hughes Therapeutic Community and the Northern...
Episode 99: Tyler Sanchez and Kendall Kershaw
March 03, 2023 17:39 - 1 hour - 58.7 MBKendall Kershaw and Tyler Sanchez are the owners and operators of The Little Fit Company in Prince George, British Columbia. These two community difference-makers spend their time helping people live their best lives. The Little Fit Company offers effective fitness and nutrition solutions to professionals, executives and high achievers to maximize goals in business, relationships & lifestyle. They specialize in personal training, and creating customized fitness and nutrition protocols to...
Episode 98: Shannon Wright
March 01, 2023 17:54 - 55 minutes - 51 MBShannon Wright is a Gitxsen Hereditary Chief and long-time entrepreneur. Shannon is the Owner and Operator of The Pepper Tree, located in the Coast Inn of the North. Over the years, Shannon has been recognized by the Prince George Chamber of Commerce as a TOP 40 UNDER 40 difference-maker, as well as a recipient of the Indigenous Business of the Year Award. Originally from Houston, B.C., Shannon grew up as a hair stylist starting at age 14. Shannon bought The Pepper Tree in 2007, and ...
Episode 97: Jim VanderPloeg
February 24, 2023 18:01 - 1 hour - 58.5 MBJim VanderPloeg is a Primary Care Paramedic in Northern British Columbia and also one of the founders of the Prince George Relay For Life. In addition to being passionate about patient care, Jim is also a Critical Incident Peer team member, Co-Chair of OSH Committee and Driving Evaluator. Jim is the Northern Public Education Director for the Ambulance Paramedics of British Columbia and a strong advocate for mental health awareness. Jim considers himself happiest behind a camera ph...
Episode 96: Katie Stymiest
February 23, 2023 19:11 - 58 minutes - 53.9 MBKatie Stymiest is the founder of CAKED BY KATIE - a fun and flavourful dairy-free and gluten-free online baking blog. She is also the content creator for the CAKED BY KATIE social channels, which has hundreds of thousands of followers, both domestic and international. As a self-taught baker living in Prince George, Katie has a love for fun and funky flavours. She was recently featured in a Netflix special - Cook At All Costs - in a home cooking challenge, competing against three other c...
Episode 95: Ben Thomson
February 23, 2023 01:00 - 1 hour - 57.9 MBOriginally from Aberdeen, Scotland, Ben Thomson is the Co-Owner and Operator of HVAC STRONG MECHANICAL. As a former strongman athlete who competed in the annual Arnold's Classic in Columbus, Ohio, Ben's focus is now on his company, which specializes in installation, service and maintenance of all types of HVAC systems and ducting. Ben is the epitome of entrepreneurship and a major advocate for growing skilled trades in Northern British Columbia. Along with his wife Gallia, Ben enjoys ra...
Episode 94: Rob Schuetz
February 16, 2023 18:04 - 1 hour - 56.6 MBRob Schuetz is the President of Industrial Forestry Service (IFS), which is one of the largest natural resource consulting firms operating in British Columbia for the forestry, bioenergy, oil & gas, and mining sectors.. Rob is past-president of the Society of Consulting Foresters of British Columbia. He specializes in the analysis of fibre supplies throughout BC and Alberta and has spent over 25 years consulting to the natural resource industries. In this regard he has undertaken due-d...
Episode 93: Amanda Alexander
February 15, 2023 16:58 - 1 hour - 58.3 MBAmanda Alexander is a community leader and builder in Prince George, who as spent the past 10 years in the CEO role at the YMCA of Northern BC. Amanda has helped facilitate the unification of British Columbia YMCAs and recently transitioned to a new vice president role with YMCA BC. Amanda is passionate about the YMCA's mission, leading a charity that is dedicated to strengthening the foundations of community. She leads achievement of this mission through working on achieving three key s...
Episode 92: Dr Garry Merkel
February 08, 2023 19:56 - 1 hour - 72.2 MBGarry Merkel is a member of the Tahltan Nation and a Registered Professional Forester (RPF) with the Association of BC Forest Professionals. His achievements and contributions are numerous and span decades. They include being instrumental in the formation of the Faculty of Forestry’s First Nations Council of Advisors (FNCOA) in 1994 in which he currently serves as co-chair. He also worked with the UBC First Nations House of Learning to establish an Aboriginal Forestry Initiative at UBC. ...
Episode 92: Dr. Garry Merkel
February 08, 2023 19:56 - 1 hour - 72.2 MBGarry Merkel is a member of the Tahltan Nation and a Registered Professional Forester (RPF) with the Association of BC Forest Professionals. His achievements and contributions are numerous and span decades. They include being instrumental in the formation of the Faculty of Forestry’s First Nations Council of Advisors (FNCOA) in 1994 in which he currently serves as co-chair. He also worked with the UBC First Nations House of Learning to establish an Aboriginal Forestry Initiative at UBC. ...
Episode 91: Jordan Yu
February 07, 2023 18:13 - 55 minutes - 50.8 MBJordan Yu is a physical education teacher, community builder and founder of the Northern Bounce Sports Academy. Jordan grew up in Prince George, thriving in the sport of basketball and winning numerous championships and awards. He played varsity basketball for the Capilano Blues and University of British Columbia Thunderbirds. After finishing his varsity athletics career as a player, Jordan turned to coaching the men’s basketball team at Capilano for several years, before enjoying a an...