I love Meg-John Barker, and you will too. We met for the first time on the pod but her wisdom, kindness and laugh won me over. An esteemed academic psychologist, theraprist and author they were fascinating company for this wonderful conversation. The key things we spoke about were the problems with self-help books, the need to reimagine self-care, the centrality of trauma to all of us and the inhumane systems we all have to live in.


'Hell Yeah, Self-Care' - MJB's brilliant new book - https://www.amazon.co.uk/Hell-Yeah-Self-Care-Trauma-Informed-Workbook/dp/1787752453


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