Lead & Follow
109 episodes - English - Latest episode: 3 days ago - ★★★★★ - 10 ratingsLead & Follow offers a candid discussion of teamwork, collaboration, and professional development. Host Sharna Fabiano talks with educators, consultants, and professionals to explore the relational dance between leadership and followership, and how to become excellent in both roles.
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Intentionality - Scott Allen (JCU Part I)
January 30, 2023 08:00 - 37 minutes - 25.8 MBI talk with Scott Allen, PhD, professor of management at John Carroll University, on integrating followership into leadership education and training, especially through the Collegiate Leadership Competition, which he co-founded. Scott is also an author and the host of the podcast Phronesis: Practical Wisdom for Leaders, and he regularly leads workshops across industries. “There’s a word that we need to come up with that isn’t leadership or followership. There’s something more holistic ther...
Followership Skills in University Clubs and Creative Projects (CNU Part 3) - Henry Sergent
December 27, 2022 08:00 - 30 minutes - 20.7 MBSend Fan Mail by Text! Henry Sergent is a third year student at Christopher Newport University and a participant in its unique President’s Leadership program, which now includes a whole course on Followership. He shares his experiences putting both leadership and followership into practice organizing the student golf club, in a late-night fraternity meeting, and on a clothing brand photo shoot! This episode is Part 3 of a 3-part series, exploring the learning of followership as an integrate...
Leaders Can't do Everything (CNU Part 3) - Henry Sergent
December 27, 2022 08:00 - 30 minutes - 20.7 MBHenry Sergent is a third year student at Christopher Newport University and a participant in its unique President’s Leadership program, which now includes a whole course on Followership. He shares his experiences putting both leadership and followership into practice organizing the student golf club, in a late-night fraternity meeting, and on a clothing brand photo shoot! This episode is Part 3 of a 3-part series, exploring the learning of followership as an integrated part of the CNU leader...
Followership Skills in Your First Job at Disneyland (CNU Part 2) - Lawson Herold
December 26, 2022 08:00 - 33 minutes - 23.1 MBSend Fan Mail by Text! Lawson Herold is a recent alumni of Christopher Newport University’s unique President's Leadership program which now includes a whole course on Followership. He shares leadership and followership insights from his work as a crew member aboard the Star Wars Galactic Starcruiser at the Disney World Resort in Orlando. This episode is Part 2 of a 3-part series, exploring the learning of followership as an integrated part of the CNU leadership program. If you haven't alrea...
Make Yourself Indispensible (CNU Part 2) - Lawson Herold
December 26, 2022 08:00 - 33 minutes - 23 MBLawson Herold is a recent alumni of Christopher Newport University’s unique President's Leadership program which now includes a whole course on Followership. He shares leadership and followership insights from his work as a crew member aboard the Star Wars Galactic Starcruiser at the Disney World Resort in Orlando. This episode is Part 2 of a 3-part series, exploring the learning of followership as an integrated part of the CNU leadership program. If you haven't already, I encourage you to g...
A Followership Course (CNU Part 1) - Lori Throupe & Lacey Grey Hunter
December 19, 2022 11:00 - 38 minutes - 26.7 MBLori Throupe and Lacey Grey Hunter, who are faculty and staff, respectively, at Christopher Newport University, share how they have integrated followership into a pre-existing campus-wide leadership program, work that has culminated into a full followership course. This episode is Part 1 of a 3-part series. In Parts 2 and 3, you'll hear from alumni and current students at Christopher Newport who have taken the followership course and participated in the leadership program. Lori Throupe is L...
Developing a Followership Course (CNU Part 1) - Lori Throupe & Lacey Grey Hunter
December 19, 2022 11:00 - 38 minutes - 26.7 MBSend Fan Mail by Text! Lori Throupe and Lacey Grey Hunter, who are faculty and staff, respectively, at Christopher Newport University, share how they have integrated followership into a pre-existing campus-wide leadership program, work that has culminated into a full followership course. This episode is Part 1 of a 3-part series. In Parts 2 and 3, you'll hear from alumni and current students at Christopher Newport who have taken the followership course and participated in the leadership pro...
Followership in the President's Leadership Program (CNU Part 1) - Lori Throupe & Lacey Grey Hunter
December 19, 2022 11:00 - 38 minutes - 26.7 MBLori Throupe and Lacey Grey Hunter, who are faculty and staff, respectively, at Christopher Newport University, share how they have integrated followership into a pre-existing campus-wide leadership program, work that has culminated into a full followership course. This episode is Part 1 of a 3-part series. In Parts 2 and 3, you'll hear from alumni and current students at Christopher Newport who have taken the followership course and participated in the leadership program. Lori Throupe is L...
Partnering in Puppetry - Kelsey Kato
December 12, 2022 11:00 - 35 minutes - 24.4 MBPuppeteer and educator Kelsey Kato shares his observations and insights of leadership and followership in puppetry through his work with Rogue Artists Ensemble, a Los Angeles theater company, and as a performer and guide at Noah’s Ark, an ongoing children’s exhibition at the Skirball Cultural Center. * “It feels very comforting to have a puppeteer who is leading to be giving very clear cues with breath.” “I like to be in a position where I’m creating a foundation for other people to give o...
Followership at CNU (Part 1) - Lori Throupe & Lacey Grey Hunter
November 28, 2022 11:00 - 38 minutes - 26.7 MBLori Throupe and Lacey Grey Hunter, who are faculty and staff, respectively, at Christopher Newport University, share how they have integrated followership into a pre-existing campus-wide leadership program, work that has culminated into a full followership course. This episode is Part 1 of a 3-part series. In Parts 2 and 3, you'll hear from alumni and current students at Christopher Newport who have taken the followership course and participated in the leadership program. Lori Throupe is L...
Followership at CNU: Part I - Lori Throupe & Lacey Grey Hunter
November 28, 2022 11:00 - 38 minutes - 26.7 MBLori Throupe and Lacey Grey Hunter, who are faculty and staff, respectively, at Christopher Newport University, share how they are integrating followership into a pre-existing campus-wide leadership program with a new followership course. This episode is Part 1 of a 2-part series. In Part 2, you'll hear from students at Christopher Newport who have taken the followership course and participated in the leadership program. Lori Throupe is Leadership Studies faculty and Faculty Director of Aca...
Lead & Follow Lessons from Multi-Person Puppetry - Kelsey Kato
April 18, 2022 10:00 - 35 minutes - 24.4 MBSend Fan Mail by Text! Puppeteer and educator Kelsey Kato shares his observations and insights of leadership and followership in puppetry through his work with Rogue Artists Ensemble, a Los Angeles theater company, and as a performer and guide at Noah’s Ark, an ongoing children’s exhibition at the Skirball Cultural Center. * “It feels very comforting to have a puppeteer who is leading to be giving very clear cues with breath.” “I like to be in a position where I’m creating a foundation fo...
Following in Complexity - Pedro Portela
April 03, 2022 07:00 - 43 minutes - 30.1 MBI talk with Pedro Portela, a complex systems thinking coach and a self-described network enthusiast living in Portugal. An engineer by training, Pedro is now a freelance consultant for peace building and conflict transformation. We explore how followership skills play a vital role in peace building initiatives as well as how understanding healthy leading and following dynamics can help us let go of the command-control paradigm so that we can move forward together in a world of complexity and...
The Necessity of Followership in Peace Building - Pedro Portela
April 03, 2022 07:00 - 43 minutes - 30.2 MBSend Fan Mail by Text! I talk with Pedro Portela, a complex systems thinking coach and a self-described network enthusiast living in Portugal. An engineer by training, Pedro is now a freelance consultant for peace building and conflict transformation. We explore how followership skills play a vital role in peace building initiatives as well as how understanding healthy leading and following dynamics can help us let go of the command-control paradigm so that we can move forward together in a...
Rewrite the Script - Sharna Fabiano
March 20, 2022 07:00 - 49 minutes - 34.3 MBIn this episode, I switch roles with one of my previous guests, Eran Magen, who guest-hosts this week and takes us on a provocative and philosophical journey into the nature of human relationship. We cover a lot of terrain starting from my very first social dance steps to the larger implications of rewriting the conventional script of leading and following roles at work and in society. “Mostly following, and leading-as-needed, tends to be the most effective strategy." “We tend to think lea...
Creating New Definitions for Leadership/Followership Roles - Sharna Fabiano
March 20, 2022 07:00 - 50 minutes - 34.4 MBSend Fan Mail by Text! In this episode, I switch roles with one of my previous guests, Eran Magen, who guest-hosts this week and takes us on a provocative and philosophical journey into the nature of human relationship. We cover a lot of terrain starting from my very first social dance steps to the larger implications of rewriting the conventional script of leading and following roles at work and in society. “Mostly following, and leading-as-needed, tends to be the most effective strategy....
Lead by Following - Daniel Burkholder
March 13, 2022 15:00 - 37 minutes - 26 MBDancer/Choreographer Daniel Burkholder shares his experience with leading and especially following through the improvisational forms of Contact Improvisation and Feldenkrais Method. Daniel choreographs, improvises, performs, teaches dance and the Feldenkrais Method, and practices mindfulness. His choreographic/improvisational work spans theatrical performances, site-specific events, immersive media, and screendance, and has been presented at numerous venues throughout North America and inte...
Lead by Following in Contact Improvisation and the Feldenkrais Method - Daniel Burkholder
March 13, 2022 15:00 - 37 minutes - 26.1 MBSend Fan Mail by Text! Dancer/Choreographer Daniel Burkholder shares his experience with leading and especially following through the improvisational forms of Contact Improvisation and Feldenkrais Method. Daniel choreographs, improvises, performs, teaches dance and the Feldenkrais Method, and practices mindfulness. His choreographic/improvisational work spans theatrical performances, site-specific events, immersive media, and screendance, and has been presented at numerous venues throughou...
People Helping People - Eran Magen
February 27, 2022 08:00 - 40 minutes - 28 MBDr. Eran Magen shares his insights around listening as a core followership skill and how the right balance of leading and following helps us form connected, supportive relationships. Dr. Magen earned his M.A. in education and Ph.D. in psychology from Stanford University, completed post-doctoral training in population health as a Robert Wood Johnson Health & Society Scholar, and served as the research director for the University of Pennsylvania's Department of Counseling and Psychological S...
Listening as a Core Followership Skill - Eran Magen
February 27, 2022 08:00 - 40 minutes - 28.1 MBSend Fan Mail by Text! Dr. Eran Magen shares his insights around listening as a core followership skill and how the right balance of leading and following helps us form connected, supportive relationships. Dr. Magen earned his M.A. in education and Ph.D. in psychology from Stanford University, completed post-doctoral training in population health as a Robert Wood Johnson Health & Society Scholar, and served as the research director for the University of Pennsylvania's Department of Counse...
Creative Collaboration - Glover Gill
February 15, 2022 23:00 - 43 minutes - 29.9 MBThis episode is a reflective conversation on the creative process with an artist I have long admired, composer and multi-instrumentalist Glover Gill. Glover and I take a trip down memory lane as we chat about our collaboration on the making of a dance theater piece called Uno back in 2008. Glover also shares insights about leading and following in his collaborations with other musicians and with filmmaker Richard Linklater, emphasizing how great collaboration depends on mutual trust, respec...
Leading & Following in Creative Collaborations - Glover Gill
February 15, 2022 23:00 - 43 minutes - 30 MBSend Fan Mail by Text! This episode is a reflective conversation on the creative process with an artist I have long admired, composer and multi-instrumentalist Glover Gill. Glover and I take a trip down memory lane as we chat about our collaboration on the making of a dance theater piece called Uno back in 2008. Glover also shares insights about leading and following in his collaborations with other musicians and with filmmaker Richard Linklater, emphasizing how great collaboration depends...
Playfulness in the Followership Role - Tova Moreno
January 23, 2022 00:00 - 35 minutes - 24.6 MBSend Fan Mail by Text! Tova Moreno is a theatrical tailor in NYC. She shares her observations of leading and following in her work with her mentor, Artur Allakhverdyan, at Artur & Tailors, Ltd. in New York City. We explore the role of play and lightness in sustaining healthy working relationships over time, and how she expresses these qualities through both followership and leadership. “Play can create richness and depth of connection and that can strongly and positively influence the wo...
Lightness & Play - Tova Moreno
January 23, 2022 00:00 - 35 minutes - 24.6 MBTova Moreno is a theatrical tailor in NYC. She shares her observations of leading and following in her work with her mentor, Artur Allakhverdyan, at Artur & Tailors, Ltd. in New York City. We explore the role of play and lightness in sustaining healthy working relationships over time, and how she expresses these qualities through both followership and leadership. “Play can create richness and depth of connection and that can strongly and positively influence the work environment and make ...
Supportive Communication - Carri Dominick
January 09, 2022 16:00 - 30 minutes - 21.1 MBDr. Carri Dominick is a physical therapist and lifelong athlete. We talk through the dynamics of collaboration on her volleyball team, and how the players lead and follow one another during actual, moment-to-moment game play. Even though players do have formal roles on a competitive team, their actual leading and following actions are fluid based on who has the ball and where it's going next. Strategic verbal communication is a key followership skill that athletes train in from the beginning...
Communication Dynamics on Volleyball Teams - Carri Dominick
January 09, 2022 16:00 - 30 minutes - 21.2 MBSend Fan Mail by Text! Dr. Carri Dominick is a physical therapist and lifelong athlete. We talk through the dynamics of collaboration on her volleyball team, and how the players lead and follow one another during actual, moment-to-moment game play. Even though players do have formal roles on a competitive team, their actual leading and following actions are fluid based on who has the ball and where it's going next. Strategic verbal communication is a key followership skill that athletes tra...
Supportive Communication in Volleyball - Carri Dominick
January 09, 2022 16:00 - 30 minutes - 21.1 MBDr. Carri Dominick is a physical therapist and lifelong athlete. We talk through the dynamics of collaboration on her volleyball team, and how the players lead and follow one another during actual, moment-to-moment game play. Even though players do have formal roles on a competitive team, their actual leading and following actions are fluid based on who has the ball and where it's going next. Strategic verbal communication is a key followership skill that athletes train in from the beginning...
Leading & Following in Dungeons & Dragons Games - Martin Heuschober
December 05, 2021 22:00 - 40 minutes - 28.1 MBSend Fan Mail by Text! My guest on the podcast this week is Martin Heuschober, a software programmer, blues dancer, and player of table top role-play games, the most famous of which is Dungeons and Dragons. These games are highly improvisational and rely on - you guessed it - highly dynamic leading and following. Martin describes how game master and players engage in collaborative storytelling through continuous exchange of leading and following. I even get to play a short scene as a privat...
Everything is a Conversation - Martin Heuschober
December 05, 2021 22:00 - 40 minutes - 28 MBMy guest on the podcast this week is Martin Heuschober, a software programmer, blues dancer, and player of table top role-play games, the most famous of which is Dungeons and Dragons. These games are highly improvisational and rely on - you guessed it - highly dynamic leading and following. Martin describes how game master and players engage in collaborative storytelling through continuous exchange of leading and following. I even get to play a short scene as a private investigator, complete...
Lead/Follow Relationships in Live Theater Performance - Dan Istrate
November 27, 2021 22:00 - 43 minutes - 29.7 MBSend Fan Mail by Text! Actor/Director Dan Istrate is originally from Romania and graduated from the University of Theatre and Film in Bucharest. He performed at several theaters in Romania and played the lead role in the Romanian feature film, Double Ecstasy, before moving to the US in 2001. Dan describes the organic flow between leading and following as the essence of great performance, and gives inspiring examples of how he has experienced this flow with audiences, directors, and fellow a...
Open to the Unknown - Dan Istrate
November 27, 2021 22:00 - 43 minutes - 29.7 MBActor/Director Dan Istrate is originally from Romania and graduated from the University of Theatre and Film in Bucharest. He performed at several theaters in Romania and played the lead role in the Romanian feature film, Double Ecstasy, before moving to the US in 2001. Dan describes the organic flow between leading and following as the essence of great performance, and gives inspiring examples of how he has experienced this flow with audiences, directors, and fellow actors. We also explore h...
Future of Power - Sara Murdock
October 24, 2021 14:00 - 50 minutes - 34.8 MBDr. Sara Murdock is a specialist on the people and culture side of organizational sustainability, and a diversity, equity, inclusion, and belonging consultant. She’s worked with solo-preneurs and giant multi-nationals, executives and front-line staff, and everything in between. She shares her keen observations of how people and companies are navigating power and leadership at this time of immense upheaval, how to design for productive failure, and how the role of followership might influence...
Followership and Power Dynamics for Sustainability - Sara Murdock
October 24, 2021 14:00 - 50 minutes - 34.9 MBSend Fan Mail by Text! Dr. Sara Murdock is a specialist on the people and culture side of organizational sustainability, and a diversity, equity, inclusion, and belonging consultant. She’s worked with solo-preneurs and giant multi-nationals, executives and front-line staff, and everything in between. She shares her keen observations of how people and companies are navigating power and leadership at this time of immense upheaval, how to design for productive failure, and how the role of foll...
Trust, Followership, and Leadership in Non-Profit Change Processes - Tom Klaus
October 09, 2021 21:00 - 49 minutes - 34.1 MBSend Fan Mail by Text! Reflecting on his long career working with with non-profits, Dr. Tom Klaus shares the important difference between “buy-in” and true ownership, how content experts and context experts must lead and follow one another, and what 7th graders taught him about relational trust. We explore his approach to collective change leadership, examine why leaders must occasionally (or often) step deliberately into the follower role, and consider what the term “collective followersh...
Relational Trust - Tom Klaus
October 09, 2021 21:00 - 49 minutes - 34.1 MBReflecting on his long career working with with non-profits, Dr. Tom Klaus shares the important difference between “buy-in” and true ownership, how content experts and context experts must lead and follow one another, and what 7th graders taught him about relational trust. We explore his approach to collective change leadership, examine why leaders must occasionally (or often) step deliberately into the follower role, and consider what the term “collective followership” might mean! “The pa...
Followership in Professional Development - Brian Rook
September 07, 2021 14:00 - 48 minutes - 33 MBBrian Rook shares some compelling examples of professional development programs he's developed that focus specifically on followership, and that have achieved wild success in multiple industries. As Assistant VP of Training at Lincoln Financial Group in Fort Wayne, Brian is responsible for the continuous development of professionals in advisor and securities operations. He is also an active researcher and publisher in leadership and followership and has spoken at multiple international conf...
Followership Skills as Part of Professional Development - Brian Rook
September 07, 2021 14:00 - 48 minutes - 33.1 MBSend Fan Mail by Text! Brian Rook shares some compelling examples of professional development programs he's developed that focus specifically on followership, and that have achieved wild success in multiple industries. As Assistant VP of Training at Lincoln Financial Group in Fort Wayne, Brian is responsible for the continuous development of professionals in advisor and securities operations. He is also an active researcher and publisher in leadership and followership and has spoken at mul...
Relating to Place - Tara Laidlaw
August 30, 2021 15:00 - 43 minutes - 30.2 MBTara Laidlaw has worked at the intersection of formal and informal education for nearly 15 years, serving as a program manager, instructional designer, frontline facilitator, and teacher trainer for organizations from coast to coast. Her specialty is place-based education, and she has used farms, forests, meadows, and mountains as classrooms for learners of all ages. We explore the intrinsic dance of leading and following in the learning process as well as in the human relationship with land...
Leading and Following in our Relationship with Nature - Tara Laidlaw
August 30, 2021 15:00 - 43 minutes - 30.2 MBSend Fan Mail by Text! Tara Laidlaw has worked at the intersection of formal and informal education for nearly 15 years, serving as a program manager, instructional designer, frontline facilitator, and teacher trainer for organizations from coast to coast. Her specialty is place-based education, and she has used farms, forests, meadows, and mountains as classrooms for learners of all ages. We explore the intrinsic dance of leading and following in the learning process as well as in the huma...
Supporting Each Other - Janice Shack-Marquez
August 09, 2021 15:00 - 37 minutes - 26 MBI talk with coach and educator Janice Shack-Marquez about communication skills, Fierce Conversations, and what she learned over her 30-year career at the Federal Reserve, helping new managers in particular learn how to both lead and follow in all directions: up, down, sideways and diagonally! Our conversation includes some great insights about the power of giving and receiving effective feedback from both leading and following positions. Since retiring from the Fed in 2015, Janice has taught...
The Power of Giving & Receiving Effective Feedback - Janice Shack-Marquez
August 09, 2021 15:00 - 37 minutes - 26.1 MBSend Fan Mail by Text! I talk with coach and educator Janice Shack-Marquez about communication skills, Fierce Conversations, and what she learned over her 30-year career at the Federal Reserve, helping new managers in particular learn how to both lead and follow in all directions: up, down, sideways and diagonally! Our conversation includes some great insights about the power of giving and receiving effective feedback from both leading and following positions. Since retiring from the Fed in...
Leader Power is Limited by Follower Response - Lew Steinhoff
July 26, 2021 15:00 - 36 minutes - 25 MBSend Fan Mail by Text! I talk with Dr. Lewis Steinhoff, the Director of the Nuclear Weapon Acquisition Professional (NWAP) Certification Program at the U.S. Department of Energy’s National Nuclear Security Administration (NNSA). We explore how a leader's power and influence are not entirely guaranteed based on title or position, but rather that leaders are to a large extent constrained by what followers are willing to accept. It's an important clarification of what power is, and of what mak...
Limits of Power - Lew Steinhoff
July 26, 2021 15:00 - 36 minutes - 25 MBI talk with Dr. Lewis Steinhoff, the Director of the Nuclear Weapon Acquisition Professional (NWAP) Certification Program at the U.S. Department of Energy’s National Nuclear Security Administration (NNSA). We explore how a leader's power and influence are not entirely guaranteed based on title or position, but rather that leaders are to a large extent constrained by what followers are willing to accept. It's an important clarification of what power is, and of what makes us effective when we ...
Courageous Followership - Alain de Sales
July 12, 2021 14:00 - 46 minutes - 32 MBDr. Alain de Sales shares his research on how courageous followers can collapse patterns of destructive leadership. He surfaces destructive episodes using the toxic triangle framework made up of leaders, susceptible followers and context. Through compelling stories and examples, he shows how specific, methodical, and sequential acts of courageous followership can interrupt harm and topple abusive power structures at any scale and in any domain, including business, politics, and social moveme...
Courageous Followers can Stop Destructive Leadership - Alain de Sales
July 12, 2021 14:00 - 46 minutes - 32.1 MBSend Fan Mail by Text! Dr. Alain de Sales shares his research on how courageous followers can collapse patterns of destructive leadership. He surfaces destructive episodes using the toxic triangle framework made up of leaders, susceptible followers and context. Through compelling stories and examples, he shows how specific, methodical, and sequential acts of courageous followership can interrupt harm and topple abusive power structures at any scale and in any domain, including business, pol...
Followership in Engineering, Social Justice Work, and Road Trips - Ryan Moody
June 28, 2021 15:00 - 33 minutes - 23.4 MBSend Fan Mail by Text! My neighbor, chemical engineer Ryan Moody, shares her insights on followership in the course of her work building and maintaining hydrogen fuel cell stations for electric vehicles in southern California. We also chat about how powerful it can be to choose to listen and take the follower position in social justice work and even on vacation with your significant other! “If it’s going to be in any way sustainable, there really needs to be consent by the person who is f...
Consenting to Follow - Ryan Moody
June 28, 2021 15:00 - 33 minutes - 23.3 MBMy neighbor, chemical engineer Ryan Moody, shares her insights on followership in the course of her work building and maintaining hydrogen fuel cell stations for electric vehicles in southern California. We also chat about how powerful it can be to choose to listen and take the follower position in social justice work and even on vacation with your significant other! “If it’s going to be in any way sustainable, there really needs to be consent by the person who is following.” “My experie...
Strength with Dignity - Jonathan Han
June 14, 2021 15:00 - 31 minutes - 21.9 MBJonathan shares insights from the world of martial arts that help us navigate non-physical conflict. Our conversation explores the receiving position in fighting techniques, and how that position corresponds in some ways to the follower role in life and work. We also challenge the assumption that the follower role is "weak," and propose an unexpected definition of effective and respectful leadership. “Being humble is not being weak. It’s strength through dignity.” “Martial arts training ...
Followership/Leadership Lessons from Martial Arts Training - Jonathan Han
June 14, 2021 15:00 - 31 minutes - 22 MBSend Fan Mail by Text! Jonathan shares insights from the world of martial arts that help us navigate non-physical conflict. Our conversation explores the receiving position in fighting techniques, and how that position corresponds in some ways to the follower role in life and work. We also challenge the assumption that the follower role is "weak," and propose an unexpected definition of effective and respectful leadership. “Being humble is not being weak. It’s strength through dignity.” ...
The Field of Possibility - Amy Lombardo
June 07, 2021 15:00 - 39 minutes - 27.3 MBAmy Lombardo is a coach and a teacher of coaches who specializes in the area of human potential. Amy is the author of the book Brilliance and the founder of the Brilliance Academy for Personal Transformation and Social Change in Los Angeles. She shares how the coaching relationship itself teaches us about equitable leading and following and opens an emergent field of possibility. Plus, important insights around leading and following ourselves and relating authentically with others. “Followi...