This week, guest host and Heinz alum Rondell Jordan teams up with Jason to interview Sam Sinyangwe. Sam is a policy analyst and activist who founded Campaign Zero - a platform of 10 policy interventions aimed at reducing police violence across the country. He also produced Mapping Police Violence, a database of police killings in the U.S. 

Rondell and Jason talk to Sam about how data and people interact to both amplify and reduce biases, and his approach to better processes for collecting, interpreting, and using that data. This turned into a deep conversation about the various issues around how police violence is measured and reported, and how he's trying to use data and a new organizing model to transform the institutions in the country.