David Atherton - Forced Marriages, Immigration Madness and the Never Ending Grooming Gang Arrests

David Atherton is a journalist and broadcaster and a prolific tweeter. His regular updates and commentaries on the clash between Islam, our Western freedoms and the impact of uncontrolled immigration have made him a voice of reason. He joins us to discuss the latest grooming gang trial that is simply the latest of regular instalments of an ongoing attempt to punish these Muslim Pakistani rape gangs. And with the BBC now producing documentaries on forced marriages we need to ask what is the cost to our society of uncontrolled immigration. So join us this episode as David covers all of this and much more.

David Atherton is a London-based journalist and broadcaster. He writes for 'The European Conservative', and a number of leading publications as well as being a regular on national TV and radio stations, as well as his popular Twitter account on social media.

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Interview recorded: 5.5.23

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Transcript

(Hearts of Oak)

Hello, Hearts of Oak, and welcome to another interview coming up in a moment with David Atherton, who I followed for many years @DaveAtherton20.
And I think I started following him because of his exposure of the grooming gangs and willing to stand shoulder to shoulder with Tommy for what he is doing.
Anyone who does that is a brave individual and seeks truth more than position or fame.
So I think that was why, we haven't met before. So first time we met on the interview, always good fun doing it that way.
You never know how things will go. We had a great conversation.
We look into, obviously, some of the more recent cases of groups of Muslim Pakistani men who have been part of rape gangs going through the legal system and being prosecuted.
All historic, but they're also more current. But this is historic the one we looked at from 2000 to 2006, 11 men jailed, or 11 men about to be jailed, being charged. Only three of them with the first name Muhammad. And we also look at the failure of the authorities to deal with this. Turning a blind eye, council leaders, police, politicians, all turning a blind eye. Basically not wanting a race war, a religious war. So we go into that and then we end up looking at immigration and how that is the, part of driver behind this, that clash that we have between Islam and the freedoms we have in the West and those from Islamic nations and that incompatibility that we are finding with the freedoms that we, have had, still have. So I know you'll enjoy David's expert thoughts on this as I have over the last few years.
 
And it's wonderful to have David Atherton with us today. David, thank you so much for your time.
 
(Dave Atherton)
Pleased to be here. Thanks a lot for the invite.
 
Not at all. I enjoyed following your Twitter feed that people can see there @DavidAtherton20 and they can follow that.
So I wanted you on for a while, but sometimes things take longer than expected. But thank you for coming on. Before we get on to some of the topics that you have been posting on, could I ask you maybe just take a moment and introduce yourself to our viewers?

Yeah, sure. No problems. I spent most of my life in recruitment. So I've always had a real job, so to speak. And funny enough, it was when the smoking ban came in in 2007 that I became
quite politically active. I always had an opinion, but then I became politically active about trying to get it reversed, or at least amended to a certain extent. That took me into writing about it. I've got a lot of invites for TV and radio to defend smokers' rights. Last night I was on talk TV. That came up in conversation and it's still one of the things I talk about.
And from then on, you know, I was asked by Raheem...

Kassam.
 
Yeah,
 
one and only Raheem
 
to write with a commentator, then he took me with him to Breitbart, and here we are today, journalist and broadcaster. So yeah, I can't forget Raheem's name. You picture him in the head there. So that's my background. And one of the things that I've, you know, I think politicians think far too short term. They want an instant fix, you know, to the problem so they can get re-elected. And they completely fail to see the world ahead of them. Where will mass immigration take us into the future? I'm not suggesting that all immigrants are bad, certainly not. The vast majority are perfectly decent people who make a contribution to this country. But unfortunately, there are certain sectors of the community that don't. And this needs to be pointed out, it needs to be discussed. But without being called gammon, racist, bigot all the time.
 
Yeah, that does come up. So, well, let's, I think the focus probably, and was our initial focus whenever we launched and then COVID tyranny all took over.
But was on the culture clash that we see, the clash with Islam and our freedoms in the West, and the clash from other cultures that aren't suited to a Western lifestyle through all types of restrictions on freedom, restrictions on women's position, restrictions on right to choose and change religions, all of that. So that was certainly want to be our focus and
then we get thrown a COVID curveball and the focus. But one of your, maybe we'll start on one of the ones recently is this here, 11 men charged in Rochdale grooming investigation.
And this is a story we see time and time again. I always have interested that the BBC covered this, but they didn't cover it.
It's not a proper story to them. It's a, oh, we'll put it in the Manchester section.
So it's not on their main, because they think 11 men getting arrested for rape, basically more or less weekly, isn't an issue.
But this is between 2000 and 2006 at Greater Manchester.
This is obviously a story that you see regularly and you report on regularly and highlight.
Tell us about this.
 
Right, indeed.
Right, well, obviously, you know, for 30 years, you know, Pakistani heritage, rape gangs, they were either protected, ignored, or covered up by the establishment, and by the establishment I mean by the Labour Party, social services, and local councils particularly, actually, will cover things up.
Yeah, so what I'll do is I'll try and dig out a quote in the wake of the 2015 jailing of 22, Pakistani heritage rapists, where a moderate imam commented that they actually, local imams actually encouraged the girls, sorry, encouraged the men in the congregation to go out and rape white girls because they wore short-sleeved shirts and mini skirts and things like that. No, it actually says they deserve to be treated like filth. This was published in the Telegraph. This was published in the Telegraph. But anyway, moving on from here, one of the Greater Manchester Police.
Rochdale's in the Greater Manchester Police Area.
And the Greater Manchester people were put in special measures and Maggie Oliver fought valiantly to get these girls justice from the Greater Manchester Police.
I think we have now turned a corner in the sense that the councils won't be allowed to get away with this.
They're probably the main offenders, because the Labour Party, 90% of Muslims vote Labour.
It's their core vote they don't want to lose. For example, Kim Ledbetter, the Batley and Spen MP, she spent her time talking about the Batley grammar school teacher.
She was talking about Palestine in Parliament, you know?
You know, what's that got to do, you know, what's that got to do?
Because all her constituents are Muslims and they are, by and large, most of them are anti-Semitic. So I look upon this as a positive, positive thing.
That girls, women now, obviously women now, are feeling bold and brave enough to go to the police.
And report their past rapes and full marks to the police for actually following through and arresting these people and investigating the cases. So I look upon that as being quite positive now.
And I must say, the people we have to thank for that, for keeping it in the public eye, are people like Tommy Robinson. I had no idea. I remember, I think it was 2007, I think, you know, Nick Griffin is not my cup of tea.
He really is a genuine, foul, nasty fascist, you know.
But, you know, when he was accused, when he was up in court, he was accused of citing racial hatred because he suggested that there were white girls being raped by Pakistani heritage men.
And I thought, well, mate, you've really done it now, haven't you?
You deserve every single year you get for that, mate.
Oh, but you're right. Again, it was Tommy Robinson.
I dismissed what he said at the time, it was 2006, 2007, whatever it was.
But when Tommy Robinson formed the EDL and he brought it to our attention, There's a video of him from 2011 on BBC's Newsnight been interviewed by Jeremy Paxman, and he said the same thing in I thought, Tommy mate. You're gonna be in trouble, you know and then we move onto 2013 when the Xerof cell I mean God you're gonna give the guys full credit, practicing Muslim director of public prosecutions in the Northwest, he brought to trial the Rochdale rapists, and they were all jailed.
And you've got to pay tribute to the guy. You've got to be fair here.
He was the person, I think, who moved the Titanic around, or the ocean liner around.
And it was not a figment of our imagination, and it moved on.
And there was a Alexis Jay report of 2014, you know, really makes your hair curl.
I'm surprised the government appointed a vi that was so blunt, so blunt about what was going on there.
And there's an article also in the BBC that one of the local women who voted community leaders said that the whole of the community knew what was going on in Rotherham, but they turned a blind eye.
The Imams, the Muslim establishment, the local councils knew exactly what was going on.
They turned a blind eye.

Yeah, we see that time and time. I will get on that in a bit, but two things pick up.
One was, I love when you watch Tommy with someone who, I mean, Tommy is very much like Nigel Farage and that Nigel would be horrified to have the same sentence, but actually they're individuals who are Marmite and yet they are lovable characters.
You put Tommy with someone and actually he's such an infectious personality that if you put someone who disagrees verbally, then if they give him 10 minutes after that, they would actually see him quite differently because he is a warm, hospitable, friendly person.
And that goes in, and he's not doing it out of hatred, but he's doing it out of concern for country.

Sure. Well, he grew up in Luton, he went to school with other Pakistani heritage children.
Some were his mates and some were nasty bullies and pieces of work, you know, who beat you up nicked your wallet and took your lunch money.
You know, he saw some of the women who did marry some of the Asian men and they lost contact with their family, you know, they were forced to wear burqas and hijabs and what have you.
He saw what cultural devastation that was happening.
And it's all too difficult to mention publicly. I think what the government is doing here is, we talked about different cultures here.
I think, I always like pointing out on Twitter, you know, I always like to ask the question, why do you think Britain is a relatively rich country and countries like Afghanistan and Pakistan and what have you are relatively poor countries?
They can never answer the question. The answer is, we went through the enlightenment in the 17th century, whereby logic and facts and truth overrose superstition and religion. And it led us to free speech, free inquiry, and led to scientific and intellectual developments. And from 1215 Magna Carta, we believe in the rule of law. I've seen lots of Asian men turn around and say, If this was reversed, if white men were raping Muslim girls, they wouldn't bother going to the police.
They'd go round mob handed and give the geezer a good spanking.
You know, we want the rule of law, we want to go to the police, we expect the police to look into it for us, and justice take its course, you know, and that's how you get a civilised society.
You know, their culture seems to be based around mob rule, you know, who's got the biggest baseball bat.

Yeah, and with those 11 men, another aspect, I'm intrigued to know your specific thoughts on this, but out of the 11, three of them were of course with a lovely name Muhammad. Only three actually this time. But how, because I see it actually as probably even more of the religious influence.
Because of Islam historically spreading by the sword, because of Muhammad having sex slaves, because that was the norm. So it very much being rooted in Islam but also the added view of women in a Pakistani culture context, but that is predominantly from an Islamic heritage.
So how do you put, because again, I'm intrigued that, who's the home secretary, it wasn't, not Priti Patel, Suella Braverman, that she has talked about Pakistani gangs, Pakistani individuals, but yet is still afraid to use the word Islam.
And I think everything should be on the table to have a proper discussion.

Well, indeed. Well, my analysis of the Pakistani-Asian Muslim community is 80% decent, moderate people.
They might be a little bit more conservative than us. They might not be pro-LGBT.
There was a survey done in 2016 where they found that 52% of Muslims in this country would like to see homosexual acts made criminalized and people jailed, 52 percent.
But 80 percent, by and large, rub along, moderate, decent, some are actually quite liberal people.
What you got from there on is the 20 percent extremist nutters or whatever you want to call them. And unfortunately, from what I can see of the Islamic community, is the 20 percent tail wags the 80% moderate dog.
You know, I was reading about a mosque in Glasgow, there was a battle between the moderates and extremists. And of course, the extremists won. And they won by going around and physically intimidating people and beating them up and things like that, you know. And, you know, you carry on your campaign, we're going to do you sort of attitude. So the problem we have is, is this permeates throughout throughout the whole religion. For example, to give you an example, from the Bible, Leviticus says something along the lines of, man shall not lie down with a woman as he does with a man.
It's an abomination.
So the Bible is full of quotations about justifying slavery, justifying killing gay people and what have you.
We ignore it. We come from the Enlightenment and we believe what goes on in the home, privacy in your own home and club or whatever, is your business, not religions or the states.
Now with the Koran, from what I can work out, is, do you know what I mean by abrogated or unabrogated?
 
Yep, yep.
The later verses override the earlier verses, the violent verses override the peaceful, which is a real bummer for Muslims.
 
Sure, indeed, yeah.
Well, indeed, yeah. From what I can work out, the Koran in its current form will never be abrogated, it will never be changed, it will not have new interpretations or things ignored.
It is the final word of God and has to be done to the letter down to the last full stop.
You know, it can't be changed.
And the Qur'an says that us Kafirs, us infidels, are second-class citizens.
It is quite straightforward in saying that you can do what you like to people who are non-Muslims.
Because it's written in our book. And that includes rape, slavery, and everything else.
And until you convert to Islam, you have no choice but to pay, at the best pay extra taxes.
Jizya I think they call it, don't they? And so this is what we're up against. It's a fund, you know, the minority of fundamentalists who rule the public space on Islamic spaces. And, you know.
The government knows that. Did you see Robert Jenrick's, Jenrick speaks recently, comments?

No, no.
 
Okay, the immigration minister. He said the far right, oh blimey.
The far right is something we should not, we should listen to, some of the far right, excuse any paraphrasing here, should be listened to and not private or made private or marginalised.
And he actually said, these people who had different cultures to us.
No, he sounded like Tommy Robinson on an average day.

Right, it's amazing how terms are used and never defined and that's where the confusion, but actually just another spot, of course, if we had an issue with Orthodox Jews running around killing and raping on the basis of Leviticus or something then that would be an issue, but you're right that doesn't happen. It is the problem with Islam and the understanding the basis does seem to be historically in Islam. But this is another, and this is an issue I think my frustration and anger is against the Muslim Pakistani community but also is against the English system. And here your story, Rouhan Adil when age 15 filled himself raping a schoolboy, shared photos of paedophiles online and the police found hundreds of pictures, and he got sentenced to 28 months detention in a young offenders institution of which he will serve half because that's what happens to those who rape children. So he will serve just over a year and I'm amazed that the English legal system thinks that raping children is punishable by a one-year sentence. That's where I think we've got, because if the sentences were huge, if people were locked away for life, then actually that would be a deterrent.
A year isn't really a deterrent, is it?

No, it's not. No. Um, someone, someone like that should be in jail for what he's like.
You probably take his age as mitigation.
I would have given him five, six years. personally speaking. If he was 18 at the time I would have given him...
10, 15 years if I've been the judge. And also as well, you know, I really, maybe I ought to do some research, maybe some research here as well, but I always get the impression white people get treated more harshly than the Asian people. I just get this impression, you know, when you were abused multiple times, you know, a 13 year old girl, you know, maybe literally hundreds of of times. There was a one about the greater Manchester which I've forgotten her name now.
But she had 177 Asian names, I say Asian, it's interchangeable with Pakistani heritage.
And she had 177 names on her phone and she went to the police. You know, her mother went to the police to report it. And they did absolutely nothing. You know, when you're being gang raped by 177 people or possibly up to 177 people and you're 13 years of age, that is 20 years in prison, at least. And, you know, if you're coming out in 10 years, I'll probably give you 30 years for that as well. You know, I don't know whether the judge is being culturally sensitive or whether they think the girls were, to a certain extent, culpable for the wrong behaviour? I don't know.
It is just completely unacceptable. And also, one thing I noticed as well, a lot of them get let out a lot earlier as well.
There's one guy who was given 20, he was a gang rape leader who was given 20 years, he was let out after five.
You know, I just don't know how this is going on. And I'll tell you what, you know.
When they do come out of jail, they still don't think they've done anything wrong, some of them anyway.
Maybe a majority still think we haven't done anything wrong.

Well, that's this. So I wonder, actually, and I'm I'm not someone who is for capital punishment.
I believe that life is sacrosanct. So I set that aside.
But I do think that actually jail has to be a deterrent, but it has to be rehabilitation.
And if someone has not been rehabilitated, then I don't see how they can be let back into society. So I actually think if you cannot, if you do not know whether someone will actually not carry out raping children once again then I think they can be released and that means they need to be held until it can be said that actually they're no longer a danger to society.
 
Although they should go through physical or chemical castration.
 
Yep, yep, yep.
I think it has to be looked at and how the conversation to the British public because it's to let someone, we've, the legal case we have been involved in with Liz. I mean, her perpetrator, rapist, was in the open prison after something like three years.
Ready to be released. An open prison where you're free to come and go and the individual is raping children. It doesn't connect at all.
 
That is not a punishment. No, that is not a punishment.
You know, for example, date rape, for example, you know, assume there's sort of two Europeans, you know, involved in date rape. You know, he said, she said sort of type of thing.
Most get five, six years for that. That's two adults. I don't want to be a rape apologist or whatever and minimise the crime.
But you know, there's obviously some degree of cooperation, as it were, obviously went back to somebody's place.
And, you know, of course the geezer deserves five, six years.
But, you know, when you're doing that, you know, you're feeding a 12, 13 year old alcohol and drugs and you're your mates are coming around and, you know, in some dirty little flat above a kebab shop, you know, that's got to be as far worse, worse crime, you know?

Yeah, yeah. I want another video you'd reposted was about Oldham, council leader.
So let's play this lovely individual. I've just had local elections, but really if you're a UK viewer, you get what you put in. And if you don't go and vote, don't engage, then actually you get individuals like this who are happy for children to be raped but let's just play this 30 second clip.
Let me play it
 
oh bless Emily
 
I know let me play her...
 
(video plays)
Our publication of that report two weeks ago, I spoke to a number of victims and they came forward and rang me that week the victims that were referenced in the report but also other victims of CSE and Oldham and speaking to those people and how it has affected their lives. You can't say it's destroyed their lives because the people I spoke to, it hasn't, but it has had an impact into adult life.

Oh, well, that's rape apologist.
 
It hasn't, it hasn't destroyed their life?
And the thing I can't get around is, if you are men, women will obviously were built differently, I will not even to get into the gender conversation.
But I thought as a woman that she, when she saw the stories, when she met with these girls that she would be horrified because, and yet she seemed to say, being raped as a child does not destroy your life.
Where do you go with that? Whenever that's what our politicians believe.

You know, it's an overused cliché, mic drop time, you know, but, I'm sorry, that is just so offensive and revolting and disgusting.
You know, it really renders me speechless on this one. You just, you know, what the hell are you saying, darling? You know, you know.
To my mind, you know, if I was Keir Starmer, I'd suspend her for that.
And make her come out with a full apology. I've got an idea for a letter. Thank you very much for that one, Peter.
You know, you cannot say that. I believe she has slightly retracted that.
One of one of her fiercest critics on Twitter, Roger, I think his name is.
She has backtracked on that to a certain extent, but really, she should be banished from polite society for the rest of her career for that.
She should not be holding any positions of power or authority.
She should retire. She should be suspended. should be fired and disappear into the distance and never heard of again.

If only, I think probably Sir Keir Starmer will get down on his knee instead to the to the rapist and that's what his response seems to be to crime. This was interesting, you'd put this post up and it's looking at the crime index for cities in Europe and you said does anyone see a correlation?
Now, I do see a correlation, and actually number 20 doesn't come in there, which is number 20 is Brussels, which is, of course, 30, is it 30% or 35% is Islamic.
And then we've got the beautiful city of Bradford there in the UK at the top and all in between.
But to me, actually, it connects the dots of mass immigration, changing cities, and also very high Islamic populations, and our politicians are wondering, why is crime going up?
 
Sure, absolutely. You know, we're back to cultural differences here, whereby we, one of the reasons I believe Europe has, and America has advanced so much, is we've learned to cooperate at a non-family level.
The reason, you know, the Middle East and parts of Asia, that the reason they employ a family because they're the only people they can trust. I'm sure we all nick pens and elastic bands from work, but we'd never think of defrauding the company of a substantial amount of money.
Most employees in this country want to do the best for their company because they get a pay rise and things like that. We've amongst ourselves at a business level and it's worth to a certain political level as well have learned to engage with each other and just trust each other. Now it's one of the reasons why in Scandinavia that the government spend so much of their money because the people actually trust their government and the civil servants to spend their money properly.
But we've learned cooperation. That's the reason why places like Somalia and Afghanistan and Pakistan and places like that, they're always fighting each other. It's clan warfare. They haven't learned to cooperate as a society.

Obviously this is a conversation that politicians don't want to have and you see snippets of it, certainly with the grooming gangs, with the rape gangs you see papers putting it out, as a story I remember the Daily Mirror I think did a massive like 18-month investigation in Telford, they put out a story and it seems to be more entertainment than actually solving an issue, it's simply they get an exclusive story, they're happy to talk about rape on their front page and a couple of pages inside, it maybe does it for a day or two, and then it moves on to whatever.
Coronation or the weather or something else. And I'm wondering, I mean, are you more positive that actually we will address this as a society? Because these cases, they're still happening more or less every other week.
 
I believe we are actually in the present sense, we are addressing it to a certain extent. I had a guy from LBC in touch with me a couple of weeks ago, and he wanted to do a piece on grooming gangs. And put me in touch with a couple of people and did a five-minute segment for the Nick Ferrari show. So I was able to point him in the right direction. You mentioned the Daily Mirror there and the BBC are covering it to a certain extent. I think they have no choice.
This is where social media, particularly Twitter and Facebook, have done such a good job, and GETTR, that you can actually go out there and report on it and let people know.
And so I look upon that as a positive sign here. But the thing about the BBC, and what I noticed about the LBC report, and probably Sky as well.
 
And GB News have touched on it as well, I know Charlie Peters has.

GB News is quite different. I'll leave GB News to one side if I can.
But if you look at the Sky News articles and the LBC article and Daily Mirror article, they talk about grooming gangs, but they don't talk about the ethnicity.
You notice that?
They don't say, oh, well, you know, well, this needs to be disproportionately, you know, Asian or whatever.
They don't mention it. Let's go to the story of how they were raped and what have you.
GB News is quite, and Talk TV to a certain extent, are really quite different.
When I was on Talk TV last night, I mentioned I got into broadcasting from Defending Smokers' Rights. We had somebody from Ash actually not smoking a health one last night, and it was the first time she's had three people who were against her and disagreed with her. You get on the BBC and ITV like I've done, you know, even the cameraman hates you know, you know, and this is, you know, I've been in touch with Charlie on a couple of matters. And I get the impression he's a genuine guy who wants to do good. And it's really the fact he will go out and call spades, spade shovels and things like that, and tell it how it is. I think it's great news to GB News' credit, and to him personally. You know, and Talk TV, you listen to some of the phone-ins, some of the phone-ins on Talk TV. And so, you know, they know that if you want the screen to light up with phone calls, we're going to talk about immigration today, you know.
I don't know if you've seen it, but Talk TV, they've got this screen and there's a room for about 100 phone calls or something like that. And when there's somebody waiting to come on hold, you know, it lights up. And I imagine it'll be great if the whole screen goes white, you know. And I can't believe, you know, some of the language that some of the callers use that go on unchallenged. I'm really, really quite impressed, actually.
We've been invaded. They're changing our culture. They don't fit in. I don't think their religion is what we're looking for in this country. I can't believe how much free speech is allowed these days. I think that has changed in that narrative as well. And where I think these people got their ideas was from social media. For example, I was chatting to a producer last night, a presenter of Talk TV, and he said, well, I've never heard of Dave Atherton, how come he's got 58,000 followers? He's not a celebrity, which is true. It's true, isn't it? I got it simply because I've covered immigration on Twitter. That's the reason I've got so many followers.
I've been nobbled by Twitter. I posted a Halal slaughter. I put a sensitive marker over it.
I didn't go out as it was. Some lefty reported me and now I'm completely nobbled. My impressions are down 80% now. I'm trying to get that reversed. I've tried and I've tried. Anyway, that's by the by. If I had been nobbled, I'd probably have 70,000, 80,000 followers by now. I can just about maintain it at 58,000. The point I'm making here is I think social media and particularly Twitter was crucial in getting the message out and you know that people could see for themselves what was going on.
 
No completely and you have those numbers because people want news and they find you're putting it out so where else do they go? I want to end on one or two of the immigration stories but when you talk about people phoning in and being angry at what immigration has done and the change. And this is one of them. This is Yasmin Mohammed. Very good in what she does. And this is a video of her. I think it's her talking about forced wedding when she was at her forced wedding, she was so disassociated. She didn't really know what was happening and crying and talk about the trauma, the millions of women. And then Emily talks here about the BBC touching on, I think BBC do it for entertainment, but anyway, the forced marriage unit nowadays is over a thousand cases a year. And I would actually love the government to actually go and focus where this is, because I remember just one, I remember my older son in his class, they had a special class, none of the parents were told, and it was about FGM. So I've got my child, my boy being told about it, what has that got to do with him absolutely zero one it should be the girls and two should be the girls from Islamic backgrounds or Asian backgrounds where it happens, like Somalia where it's what 90% or whatever but the,
It seems as though our government is wasting resources because they're so scared to be called racist or Islamophobic.

Well, they could have stopped FGM in one fell swoop by prosecuting both parents and sending them to jail.
You know, it's a case of, you know, you can't make an omelette without cracking some eggs.
You know, I'm sorry, if there's got to be five or six parents who've got to go to jail for allowing their daughters to be FGMed. So be it. If they've got to go to care while they're in jail, so be it. Because that would stop at one fell swoop, FGM in this country. And another thing we need to do is, we've got to stop chain migration.
Get the mother-in-law in as well, that kind of thing. Also, I think we should, it was Saeed, the Times journalist, Matthew Saeed. He's of Pakistani heritage. He's suggesting that cousin-cousin marriages should be made illegal. And you have to stop, you know, arranged marriages from Pakistan. That has to stop.
And you wonder why it's not illegal already. That's the scary thing.
Yeah, I think when it comes to genetic births, genetic deformities from birth, 38% come from the Pakistani heritage community. It should be stopped. I'm sorry, arranged marriages are now finished. You can't have any more. I'm pretty sure this needs to be fact-checked. But I still think even in arranged marriage that there are basic requirements for the English language. If there are not, you can't speak English, you can't have a conversation in English, you're not allowed to come into this country.
You know, basically, you know, I think something like 59% of marriages in Bradford are with cousins. And it's basically to keep the wealth into the family. That's the reason they do it.

And actually, one of the Islamic sects, Tablighi Jamaat, 80 million, I think, out of New Delhi.
And actually, in those marriages, actually, the woman does not even attend her own wedding, because she's a woman. So her father attends the wedding on her behalf. She has zero right.
And that is the same in the UK for typically up in Dewsbury.
That's typically the amount and the government could stop that in an instant.

Sure. I know. But you know what will happen, won't you? You know, if we clamp down on in any shape or form, they know they will be out on the streets, you know, vandalizing stuff and being violent. They're going to have to send the riot police in, possibly even the army.
No Home Secretary wants to do that, so they appease them. I'm pretty sure you saw the Wakefield 14-year-old boy who's scuffed at Koran. By the way, the people from the mosque, went knocked on her door and threatened her.
You know, and, you know, and they obviously the boy, the autistic boy had death threats.
And she thought the only way to get out of this is go to the mosque, put a silly veil over her head and, you know, prostrate herself.
And did you see the audience?

No, no, I missed that. I didn't see no.

It was packed to the rafters of middle age and elderly Asian men sitting sitting cross-legged on the floor. Talk about intimidating, intimidating environment, you know, and she had a grovel and apologize and things like that. The thing that really, really stuck in my craw was the chief inspector for the West Yorkshire Police there condoning everything that had happened, you know, because he knows if he'd gone after the people who threatened the autistic boy, you know, the whole of the community will be after him. Whole of the community will be be after West Yorkshire police. This is violence and intimidation, which one day we will pay the price. We've got two ways of going here. We're going to have to go through a period of civil unrest, or we're all going to have to bend the knee to Sharia law. There is no middle ground here. There's no compromise. There's a guy, his surname is Salih, and he heads up the Five Pillars Fundamentalist media site.
And people on Twitter were saying, oh, isn't it wonderful that these Muslims are going into Christian churches and preaching and things like that.
And someone asked him, well, can you ever see a Christian priest, a vicar or priest being allowed to go to a mosque? And he put one word. Never.

It's always one way, it's always one way. But no, you're, I just, one, I think on the FGM and then we'll finish on immigration, but the FGM, I actually think that it's not just actually children should be in care for a while while the parents are in jail.
Actually, the children should be taken away. It is better for the children not to be cut up with knives and blades.
So whatever the alternative is, is better than child abuse.
So I think they should be completely removed. And if that means thousands of children removed from families. But you're right, it will be riots, religious race riots, everything will get burned down. They'll accuse the Home Secretary of, I don't know, folding the page of a Quran, and therefore they can kill her. We see what happens across the world. So yeah.

Well, absolutely. This is one of the reasons the government is so pathetic and weak, is they fear the civil unrest repercussions.

Well, let's end up on immigration. There are a load of different stories, but this, I thought this was Noah's Ark, but no, it's not Noah's Ark, it's the immigrant ark.
Barge to house 500 male migrants off Dorset Coast, says government, and this was last month.
But it gives you an idea of what we're facing, because when the government said they were going to house migrants on boats, I thought they were just taking the mick, but no, this thing has come on.
They'll need maybe a hundred of these, but 500 male migrants will be housed in this barge, poor people in Dorset that will see this. And it's coming in the coming months.
And the vessel, which is currently in Italy, to break from Italy, there must be only one vessel in the world that can host them, but it will be significantly cheaper than hotels.
Obviously, if we need to bring boats from Italy to put people in who are illegally coming in the country, we have a problem. And yet, the government don't seem to want to address the problem. They're just going to get barges. And I guess we'll have hundreds of these off the coast.
 
Sure. It's sticking plasters rather than cures, isn't it? And until, well, the long-term solution for this is, we need to go to maybe an American style of public administration, whereby the top civil servants are appointed by the government.
That doesn't seem to work that badly, in a sense.
So what happened was, six migrants had had enough of Britain, and they got back on the ferry to go back to France. And they were dragged back by the police and brought back to Britain.
Because the permanent second, yeah, this is the reason why, the permanent secretary, Matthew Rycroft, or one of his officials, they have a gentleman's agreement with France.
They won't return people.
And so when Suella Braverman was told by a civil service, we can't send them back.
To my mind, Rycroft should have been fired on the spot. But any civil servant, if he doesn't have the authority, primary legislation should be done in a day for that to be done.
Three line whip, 80 majority, whatever it is. We have the right to hire and fire anybody in the civil service.
And anybody who was in the way should be fired on the spot, over you go.
And I'm sorry, Macron, I'm sorry, this might sound a little bit over the top, but if we're returning migrants back to France and they didn't need a Royal Navy escort, so be it.
You know, I'm sorry, to my mind what Macron is doing, this is a punishment beating for leaving the EU. And quite frankly, Macron can learn how to behave like a civilised human being, or he needs to be taught. And I'm sorry, I think longer term, there is an existentialist threat to this country from terrorism and other social ills, which in five years' time we'll be bitterly regretting what we did.
And this needs to be addressed immediately and with robust matters.
And quite frankly, if the whole of the Home Office needs to be fired and we've got to start from the beginning again, so be it.
It has to be done. And if we've got to find volunteers to man the border force boats.
And also as well, one of the first things I would do if I was Home Secretary, the RNLI, the Royal National Lifeboat Institute, have... what's the word I'm looking for? If due to their actions somebody dies, they can't be accused of corporate manslaughter.
They have no legal immunity from what they do. And the first thing I would do is I'd take that legal immunity away.
And so if you do make a mess of things, you're going to jail for corporate manslaughter.
And that would stop the RNLI boats a split second. Also, these are practical short-term solutions.
And so you look, the people in the Border Force, you're staying in port. I'm sorry.
We can go out to France, you go to the camps, you hand out leaflets saying, we're not going to pick you up anymore.
And that's the end of the thing. And I'm sorry, Macron doesn't like that, too bad mate.

Well, let's end just on a picture, which kind of connects with the RNLI, although I don't think Macron can behave like a grown up.
I think that's impossible, but I'll let you keep your fingers crossed, David.
This was a lovely, lovely poster. 80 years ago, we stopped an entire German army crossing the English Channel.
Now we can't stop an effing dinghy. Love it. That is through the RNLI, which have become basically a...
Do you want to, for our non-UK viewers, for US viewers, do you want to just let them know what the RNLI is and what it's become?

Right. Yeah. The Royal National Lifeboat Institute is a civilian fleet of boats, which is entirely paid out of charitable organizations, and the people are volunteers, but the chief executive earns 180,000 pounds a year, whilst the people who are risk their lives on the sea barely get their expenses covered.
They have to give up work, they live self-employed, they lose money.
And if they get a 999 call equivalent to a 911 call, they're expected to drop what they're doing, jump in the boats, and rescue the people concerned.
In fact, there was actually one guy who was getting married and he got a bleep, but just as he was about to put the ring on her finger, but he had to go.
So I believe also there are quite a few RNLI people who actually resigned in protest, over being sent out to pick up migrants in the middle of the sea. It might be 10%, but it is.
But the whole point is, like in America, we have this woke culture, the ESG woke type culture, whereby Professor Matthew Goodwin reckons about 16% of the population, the sort of the degree-educated people, you know, the bon passant thinking people, you know, who believe in ultra-liberal policies.
And there's nothing at the moment us plebs can do about it, despite the fact that 85% of people oppose it. In Britain, something like 60-70% of people are opposed to immigration still, at the numbers and what have we. You know, the vast majority of people don't mind genuine refugees, you know, fleeing. We don't mind that. The Ukrainians is a good example. They are genuine refugees. But we really do object to all the people who are coming over here freeloading economic migrants. Oh, by the way, let me quote, I don't think I mentioned it, but in Sweden, A research company interviewed refugees who had been given asylum in Sweden because they were fleeing persecution, oppression, wars and what have you.
They've asked the question, have you returned home at all?
79% have returned home, gone back to their home country on vacation. 79%.
You know, if that's not the biggest sign that, you know, the government are mugs, aided and abetted by the liberal and woke classes, and these people are pathological liars.
I've just got, you know, chances, and what have we. I know you have to be stupid, naïve or a complete idiot.

Yeah. Well, on that, I think we'll finish up.
 
Before we go, Peter, can I just quote to you very briefly?
I managed to find it as we've been talking.
Here we are, yeah. I'll just quote you the attitudes that some Muslims have in this country.
In 2018, seven men were jailed for raping and pimping out girls from the ages of 11 to 15.
Dr Taj Hargey, the imam of Oxford Islamic Congregation, said it was, quote, "bound up with religion and race", adding, quotes, "In mosques around the country a different doctrine is teached" One that denigrates are women who treat whites with particular contempt.
"Men are taught that women are second-class citizens, little more than chattels or possessions over whom they have absolute authority." "Their dress code from mini skirts to sleeveless tops is deemed to reflect their impure and immoral outlook."
"According to this mentality, these white women deserve to be punished for their behaviour by being exploited and degraded." End of quote.
 
I've seen some things that Tariq has put out and he does seem to be trying to highlight some of that, but it's wonderful.
Well, it isn't wonderful, but it's good when you hear the community discussing the problem and hopefully others will wake up to that.
Well, David, it's been good to meet you at long last. It happens regularly, but thanks for coming on.
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