GovLove - A Podcast About Local Government
1,112 episodes - English - Latest episode: 4 days ago - ★★★★★ - 208 ratingsGovLove is a podcast about the people, policies and profession of local government. From Mayors and City Managers to interns and everyone in between, we interview the people making a difference in their communities to learn about the great work being done at the local level. GovLove is brought to you by Engaging Local Government Leaders (ELGL).
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#297 Economic Development & Data with Dr. Eric Trevan
September 17, 2019 17:30 - 43 minutes - 49.3 MBData equity and local solutions. Dr. Eric Trevan, public administration faculty at Evergreen State College, joined the podcast to talk about economic development and analytics. He talked about his career path, which included time in local government and leading an economic development agencies, as well as the perspective of Native American communities. Host: Javon Davis
#279 Economic Development & Data with Dr. Eric Trevan
September 17, 2019 17:30 - 43 minutes - 49.3 MBData equity and local solutions. Dr. Eric Trevan, public administration faculty at Evergreen State College, joined the podcast to talk about economic development and analytics. He talked about his career path, which included time in local government and leading an economic development agencies, as well as the perspective of Native American communities. Host: Javon Davis
#296 A Librarian's Guide to Homelessness with Ryan Dowd
September 13, 2019 12:00 - 53 minutes - 60.7 MBAn empathy-driven approach to solving problems and serving everyone. Ryan Dowd the Executive Director of Hesed House, a homeless shelter in Aurora, Illinois joined the podcast to talk about serving people experiencing homelessness. Ryan talked about his book, A Librarian's Guide to Homelessness, and his training for libraries on how to work with challenging homeless patrons. He also dispelled myths around homelessness and discussed different policy approaches. Host: Kent Wyatt
#278 A Librarian's Guide to Homelessness with Ryan Dowd
September 13, 2019 12:00 - 53 minutes - 60.7 MBAn empathy-driven approach to solving problems and serving everyone. Ryan Dowd the Executive Director of Hesed House, a homeless shelter in Aurora, Illinois joined the podcast to talk about serving people experiencing homelessness. Ryan talked about his book, A Librarian's Guide to Homelessness, and his training for libraries on how to work with challenging homeless patrons. He also dispelled myths around homelessness and discussed different policy approaches. Host: Kent Wyatt
#295 Effective Local Outreach with Perla Ni, Census Outreach Project
September 10, 2019 12:29 - 33 minutes - 37.8 MBUsing mobile messaging to connect with hard-to-count populations. Perla Ni is the Founder and CEO of CommunityConnect Labs, the Census Outreach Project, and GreatNonprofits. She joined the podcast to talk about how local governments can reach all of their residents for the upcoming census. She shared how it's important to meet people where they are and how the Census Outreach Project can help. Host: Javon Davis
#277 Effective Local Outreach with Perla Ni, Census Outreach Project
September 10, 2019 12:29 - 33 minutes - 37.8 MBUsing mobile messaging to connect with hard-to-count populations. Perla Ni is the Founder and CEO of CommunityConnect Labs, the Census Outreach Project, and GreatNonprofits. She joined the podcast to talk about how local governments can reach all of their residents for the upcoming census. She shared how it's important to meet people where they are and how the Census Outreach Project can help. Host: Javon Davis
#294 Operationalizing Racial Equity in Austin, TX with Brion Oaks
September 06, 2019 13:07 - 50 minutes - 57.8 MBBuilding and sustaining a culture of equity. Brion Oaks, the Chief Equity Officer for the City of Austin, Texas, joined the podcast to talk about how they make racial equity actionable. He shared how they work to create a shared understanding around the history of segregation and discrimination in Austin and how old policies still impact the city today. Plus he described how the equity office works with departments to examine what they do with a racial equity lens and include that value in t...
#276 Operationalizing Racial Equity in Austin, TX with Brion Oaks
September 06, 2019 13:07 - 50 minutes - 57.8 MBBuilding and sustaining a culture of equity. Brion Oaks, the Chief Equity Officer for the City of Austin, Texas, joined the podcast to talk about how they make racial equity actionable. He shared how they work to create a shared understanding around the history of segregation and discrimination in Austin and how old policies still impact the city today. Plus he described how the equity office works with departments to examine what they do with a racial equity lens and include that value in t...
#293 Shoreline Management & Beach Renourishment in North Carolina
August 30, 2019 13:02 - 1 hour - 86.7 MBManaging beaches in an era of climate change. Two guests joined the podcast to discuss shoreline management at the local level. First, Dr. Robert Young from the Program for the Study of Developed Shorelines discussed a recent report that they published which did a cost-benefit analysis of buying out property owners in North Topsail Beach, NC versus maintaining the shoreline. Then Greg "Rudi" Rudolph, the Shoreline Protection Manager for Carteret County, NC, talked about his day to day work, ...
#275 Shoreline Management & Beach Renourishment in North Carolina
August 30, 2019 13:02 - 1 hour - 86.7 MBManaging beaches in an era of climate change. Two guests joined the podcast to discuss shoreline management at the local level. First, Dr. Robert Young from the Program for the Study of Developed Shorelines discussed a recent report that they published which did a cost-benefit analysis of buying out property owners in North Topsail Beach, NC versus maintaining the shoreline. Then Greg "Rudi" Rudolph, the Shoreline Protection Manager for Carteret County, NC, talked about his day to day work, ...
#274 Transportation, Engagement & Libraries from the Code for America Summit
August 23, 2019 14:07 - 50 minutes - 57.7 MBDesigning better government. Earlier this summer GovLove hosted a live recording at the Code for America Summit in Oakland, California. Three guests joined to talk about trends in local government and how they interact with data and technology in their organization. Warren Logan is the Policy Director of Mobility & Interagency Relations in Oakland, CA; Laura Biediger is a Community Engagement Strategist in Durham, NC; and Stephanie Chase is the Director of Libraries for Hillsboro, OR. Hos...
#292 Transportation, Engagement & Libraries from the Code for America Summit
August 23, 2019 14:07 - 50 minutes - 57.7 MBDesigning better government. Earlier this summer GovLove hosted a live recording at the Code for America Summit in Oakland, California. Three guests joined to talk about trends in local government and how they interact with data and technology in their organization. Warren Logan is the Policy Director of Mobility & Interagency Relations in Oakland, CA; Laura Biediger is a Community Engagement Strategist in Durham, NC; and Stephanie Chase is the Director of Libraries for Hillsboro, OR. Hos...
#273 Open Government & Innovation at Guilford County, NC with Jason Jones
August 16, 2019 11:52 - 1 hour - 79.5 MBAnalytics and open data. Jason Jones, the Analytics and Innovation Manager for Guilford County, North Carolina, joined the podcast to talk about his work and career path. Jason shared what it took to set up a data program at Guilford County, how they have partnered with universities on projects and the importance of adding context to data. He also talked about his career path, creating his current role and how working in human resources has informed his career. Host: Ben Kittelson
#291 Open Government & Innovation at Guilford County, NC with Jason Jones
August 16, 2019 11:52 - 1 hour - 79.5 MBAnalytics and open data. Jason Jones, the Analytics and Innovation Manager for Guilford County, North Carolina, joined the podcast to talk about his work and career path. Jason shared what it took to set up a data program at Guilford County, how they have partnered with universities on projects and the importance of adding context to data. He also talked about his career path, creating his current role and how working in human resources has informed his career. Host: Ben Kittelson
#290 Local Government Workplaces Initiative with Dr. Leisha DeHart-Davis, UNC School of Government
August 09, 2019 18:15 - 36 minutes - 41.6 MBHelping cities and counties listen to their employees. Dr. Leisha DeHart-Davis joined the podcast to talk about the University of North Carolina School of Government's Workplaces Initiative. She shared her research into public sector organizational dynamics and how managers can make their employees feel valued and part of a community. Host: Javon Davis
#272 Local Government Workplaces Initiative with Dr. Leisha DeHart-Davis, UNC School of Government
August 09, 2019 18:15 - 36 minutes - 41.6 MBHelping cities and counties listen to their employees. Dr. Leisha DeHart-Davis joined the podcast to talk about the University of North Carolina School of Government's Workplaces Initiative. She shared her research into public sector organizational dynamics and how managers can make their employees feel valued and part of a community. Host: Javon Davis
#289 Census 2020 & The Opportunity Project with Denice Ross, Lorena Molina-Irizarry & Drew Zachary
August 02, 2019 20:03 - 51 minutes - 58.7 MBData for good. Three people joined the podcast to talk about the 2020 Census and ways that local governments can ensure their communities get counted. They are all working with the Census Opportunity Project a process for engaging government, communities, and the technology industry to create digital tools related to the Census. Denice Ross is a Fellow in Residence for the Beeck Center for Social Impact & Innovation; Lorena Molina-Irizarry is the Director of Operations of Census Open Innovat...
#271 Census 2020 & The Opportunity Project with Denice Ross, Lorena Molina-Irizarry & Drew Zachary
August 02, 2019 20:03 - 51 minutes - 58.7 MBData for good. Three people joined the podcast to talk about the 2020 Census and ways that local governments can ensure their communities get counted. They are all working with the Census Opportunity Project a process for engaging government, communities, and the technology industry to create digital tools related to the Census. Denice Ross is a Fellow in Residence for the Beeck Center for Social Impact & Innovation; Lorena Molina-Irizarry is the Director of Operations of Census Open Innovat...
#288 Family Ties in Charleston, SC with Former Mayor Joe Riley & Citibot's Bratton Riley
July 26, 2019 14:20 - 55 minutes - 63.4 MBPublic service and civil rights. A father-son duo joined the podcast to talk about their different paths working with local government. Former Mayor Joe Riley led the City of Charleston, SC for 40 years and was involved in redeveloping downtown Charleston and starting the International African American Museum. Bratten Riley is the Co-Founder and Chief Executive Officer of Citibot, a software platform that allows residents to text their local government for information and for organizations t...
#270 Family Ties in Charleston, SC with Former Mayor Joe Riley & Citibot's Bratton Riley
July 26, 2019 14:20 - 55 minutes - 63.4 MBPublic service and civil rights. A father-son duo joined the podcast to talk about their different paths working with local government. Former Mayor Joe Riley led the City of Charleston, SC for 40 years and was involved in redeveloping downtown Charleston and starting the International African American Museum. Bratten Riley is the Co-Founder and Chief Executive Officer of Citibot, a software platform that allows residents to text their local government for information and for organizations t...
#269 Strategic Communications & Networking with Mac Prichard
July 23, 2019 22:59 - 42 minutes - 48.2 MBSharing ideas, experiences and stories. Mac Prichard the President of Prichard Communications and Founder of Mac's List joined the podcast to talk about local government communications and job searching. He talked about how communications plans need to be strategic and align with the goals of the organization. Mac also discussed his "Find Your Dream Job" podcast and the skills of job searching. Host: Kirsten Wyatt
#287 Strategic Communications & Networking with Mac Prichard
July 23, 2019 22:59 - 42 minutes - 48.2 MBSharing ideas, experiences and stories. Mac Prichard the President of Prichard Communications and Founder of Mac's List joined the podcast to talk about local government communications and job searching. He talked about how communications plans need to be strategic and align with the goals of the organization. Mac also discussed his "Find Your Dream Job" podcast and the skills of job searching. Host: Kirsten Wyatt
#286 Legal Challenges to Parking Enforcement with ShawnTe Raines & Matthew DiCianni, Ancel Glink
July 19, 2019 10:00 - 35 minutes - 40.2 MBTo chalk or not to chalk. Two lawyers from Ancel Glink joined the podcast to talk about the recent court ruling outlawing the use of chalk to enforce parking requirements. ShawnTe Raines, Partner, and Matthew DiCianni, Associate, walked through the case and the implications for local governments. They also touched on a few other legal issues at the local level that have their attention. Host: Javon Davis
#268 Legal Challenges to Parking Enforcement with ShawnTe Raines & Matthew DiCianni, Ancel Glink
July 19, 2019 10:00 - 35 minutes - 40.2 MBTo chalk or not to chalk. Two lawyers from Ancel Glink joined the podcast to talk about the recent court ruling outlawing the use of chalk to enforce parking requirements. ShawnTe Raines, Partner, and Matthew DiCianni, Associate, walked through the case and the implications for local governments. They also touched on a few other legal issues at the local level that have their attention. Host: Javon Davis
#267 Leadership & Scenario Planning with Matt Finch
July 16, 2019 10:00 - 1 hour - 76.3 MBStrategy, planning, storytelling, innovation. Matt Finch joined the podcast to talk about his work with libraries and other government entities on planning for the future. In this wide ranging interview he shared his path into doing this work, becoming future ready and tools for growth and change. Host: Kirsten Wyatt
#285 Leadership & Scenario Planning with Matt Finch
July 16, 2019 10:00 - 1 hour - 76.3 MBStrategy, planning, storytelling, innovation. Matt Finch joined the podcast to talk about his work with libraries and other government entities on planning for the future. In this wide ranging interview he shared his path into doing this work, becoming future ready and tools for growth and change. Host: Kirsten Wyatt
#284 Public Service with Mayor Tara Campbell, Yorba Linda, CA
July 12, 2019 10:00 - 36 minutes - 41.2 MBThe youngest female Mayor in the country. Mayor Tara Campbell from the City of Yorba Linda, California joined the podcast to talk about her two roles in local government, serving as Mayor of her hometown and working as Chief of Staff for Orange County Supervisor Donald Wagner. Mayor Campbell talked about what led her to local government, why she wanted to run for office and what she works on as a Chief of Staff. She also shared how her two roles influence one another and the issues facing ci...
#266 Public Service with Mayor Tara Campbell, Yorba Linda, CA
July 12, 2019 10:00 - 36 minutes - 41.2 MBThe youngest female Mayor in the country. Mayor Tara Campbell from the City of Yorba Linda, California joined the podcast to talk about her two roles in local government, serving as Mayor of her hometown and working as Chief of Staff for Orange County Supervisor Donald Wagner. Mayor Campbell talked about what led her to local government, why she wanted to run for office and what she works on as a Chief of Staff. She also shared how her two roles influence one another and the issues facing ci...
#265 The City Link Program in Springfield, OR with Niel Laudati
July 09, 2019 10:00 - 40 minutes - 46.6 MBEmpowering new leaders. Niel Laudati,Legislative and Public Affairs Director for the City of Springfield, OR, joined the podcast to talk about how the City is working to empower under-represented leaders. Through their City Link program participants meet leaders from different departments, learn about local government and build their resume for serving on boards or running for office. Niel also shared his career path in local government and his passion for Springfield. Host: Kirsten Wyatt
#283 The City Link Program in Springfield, OR with Niel Laudati
July 09, 2019 10:00 - 40 minutes - 46.6 MBEmpowering new leaders. Niel Laudati,Legislative and Public Affairs Director for the City of Springfield, OR, joined the podcast to talk about how the City is working to empower under-represented leaders. Through their City Link program participants meet leaders from different departments, learn about local government and build their resume for serving on boards or running for office. Niel also shared his career path in local government and his passion for Springfield. Host: Kirsten Wyatt
#264 Teaching Ethics through Parks & Rec with Dr. Erin Borry
July 05, 2019 13:53 - 37 minutes - 43 MBLinking theory to television. Dr. Erin Borry from the University of Alabama at Birmingham is teaching ethics in a creative way, by using the show Parks & Recreation. Scenes involving your favorite City of Pawnee employees are great case studies for understanding the dilemmas that public servants can face. Dr. Borry shares why she wanted to use the show in her classroom and examples of what students learn. Host: Kirsten Wyatt
#282 Teaching Ethics through Parks & Rec with Dr. Erin Borry
July 05, 2019 13:53 - 37 minutes - 43 MBLinking theory to television. Dr. Erin Borry from the University of Alabama at Birmingham is teaching ethics in a creative way, by using the show Parks & Recreation. Scenes involving your favorite City of Pawnee employees are great case studies for understanding the dilemmas that public servants can face. Dr. Borry shares why she wanted to use the show in her classroom and examples of what students learn. Host: Kirsten Wyatt
#263 Tackling Blight & Innovation with Terrance Smith, Mobile, AL
June 28, 2019 15:32 - 53 minutes - 61 MBSolving problems. Terrance Smith, the Director of the Innovation Team in the City of Mobile, Alabama, joined the podcast to talk about innovation, working with departments and taking on blight. Terrance shared the process the i-Team went through to get a handle on the problem of blight and then how to address it, which eventually led to a change in state law. He also talked about how they communicate about their work and how they bring in other city staff to explain their process. Host: Be...
#281 Tackling Blight & Innovation with Terrance Smith, Mobile, AL
June 28, 2019 15:32 - 53 minutes - 61 MBSolving problems. Terrance Smith, the Director of the Innovation Team in the City of Mobile, Alabama, joined the podcast to talk about innovation, working with departments and taking on blight. Terrance shared the process the i-Team went through to get a handle on the problem of blight and then how to address it, which eventually led to a change in state law. He also talked about how they communicate about their work and how they bring in other city staff to explain their process. Host: Be...
#280 Food Waste & Government Consolidation with Mayor Liz Lempert, Princeton, NJ
June 26, 2019 02:01 - 57 minutes - 65.4 MBFrom borough and township to municipality. Mayor Liz Lempert joined the podcast for a wide ranging interview on consolidating governments and providing compost service in Princeton, New Jersey. Mayor Lempert shared her path into elected office and winning the 2018 Mayors Challenge for their composting initiative. She also walked through the process of consolidating Princeton Township with Princeton Borough and the impact it has had on both the community and government operations.
#262 Food Waste & Government Consolidation with Mayor Liz Lempert, Princeton, NJ
June 26, 2019 02:01 - 57 minutes - 65.4 MBFrom borough and township to municipality. Mayor Liz Lempert joined the podcast for a wide ranging interview on consolidating governments and providing compost service in Princeton, New Jersey. Mayor Lempert shared her path into elected office and winning the 2018 Mayors Challenge for their composting initiative. She also walked through the process of consolidating Princeton Township with Princeton Borough and the impact it has had on both the community and government operations.
#279 The Municipal Equality Index with Xavier Persad, Human Rights Campaign
June 21, 2019 11:57 - 25 minutes - 29.4 MBExamining the inclusiveness of cities. Xavier Persad, Sr. Legislative Counsel for the Human Rights Campaign, joined the podcast to talk about the Municipal Equality Index. Each year cities are rated based on non-discrimination laws, the municipality as an employer and the city leadership's public position on equality. He also shared what cities have made strides on the index and what policies cities should look at to improve how inclusive they are.
#261 The Municipal Equality Index with Xavier Persad, Human Rights Campaign
June 21, 2019 11:57 - 25 minutes - 29.4 MBExamining the inclusiveness of cities. Xavier Persad, Sr. Legislative Counsel for the Human Rights Campaign, joined the podcast to talk about the Municipal Equality Index. Each year cities are rated based on non-discrimination laws, the municipality as an employer and the city leadership's public position on equality. He also shared what cities have made strides on the index and what policies cities should look at to improve how inclusive they are.
#278 High Performance Government with Nick Kittle, Cartegraph
June 19, 2019 01:23 - 1 hour - 72.7 MBSustainable innovation. Nick Kittle, Government Innovation & Performance Coach and author, shares his lessons on leadership, innovation and improving local government. He talked about his experience as a Chief Innovation Officer, his book Sustainovation and the work he's doing now for Cartegraph. From building momentum to not being afraid to get fired, Nick has great advice for those wanting to make a difference.
#260 High Performance Government with Nick Kittle, Cartegraph
June 19, 2019 01:23 - 1 hour - 72.7 MBSustainable innovation. Nick Kittle, Government Innovation & Performance Coach and author, shares his lessons on leadership, innovation and improving local government. He talked about his experience as a Chief Innovation Officer, his book Sustainovation and the work he's doing now for Cartegraph. From building momentum to not being afraid to get fired, Nick has great advice for those wanting to make a difference.
#259 CivicPRIDE with Pam Davis, Boulder, CO
June 14, 2019 13:24 - 1 hour - 70 MBAdvancing inclusive local government. In honor of Pride Month, Pam Davis, Sr. Management Analyst for the City of Boulder, Colorado and the Leader of CivicPRIDE joined the podcast to talk about empowering LGBTQIA+ leadership in local government. CivicPRIDE is the first nationally recognized LGBTQIA+ professional association for local government management. Pam shared her coming out story and why a group like CivicPRIDE is needed in local government. She also discussed what organizations can d...
#277 CivicPRIDE with Pam Davis, Boulder, CO
June 14, 2019 13:24 - 1 hour - 70 MBAdvancing inclusive local government. In honor of Pride Month, Pam Davis, Sr. Management Analyst for the City of Boulder, Colorado and the Leader of CivicPRIDE joined the podcast to talk about empowering LGBTQIA+ leadership in local government. CivicPRIDE is the first nationally recognized LGBTQIA+ professional association for local government management. Pam shared her coming out story and why a group like CivicPRIDE is needed in local government. She also discussed what organizations can d...
#276 The Myth of Bureaucratic Neutrality with Shannon Portillo, University of Kansas
June 11, 2019 21:38 - 37 minutes - 43.5 MBInstitutionalized inequity in hiring. Dr. Shannon Portillo from the University of Kansas discusses how we have to challenge the assumption that merit-based hiring practices are "neutral." She and a co-author argue in a recent journal article that those practice can actually reinforce the preference of white men in public organizations. The article argues that if organizations want to encourage a diverse workforce they need to challenge these long standing hiring practices.
#258 The Myth of Bureaucratic Neutrality with Shannon Portillo, University of Kansas
June 11, 2019 21:38 - 37 minutes - 43.5 MBInstitutionalized inequity in hiring. Dr. Shannon Portillo from the University of Kansas discusses how we have to challenge the assumption that merit-based hiring practices are "neutral." She and a co-author argue in a recent journal article that those practice can actually reinforce the preference of white men in public organizations. The article argues that if organizations want to encourage a diverse workforce they need to challenge these long standing hiring practices.
#257 Rethinking the Library in Hillsboro, OR with Stephanie Chase & Hillary Ostlund
June 07, 2019 18:13 - 1 hour - 103 MBLeading (r)evolution in public libraries. Stephanie Chase, Library Director, and Hillary Ostlund, Library Manager, from the Hillsboro, Oregon public library joined the podcast. They talked about how they are adapting their expectations of employees and the service to patrons to improve customer service. In this wide ranging interview they covered everything from throwing out the organizational chart to night libraries and serving homeless patrons.
#275 Rethinking the Library in Hillsboro, OR with Stephanie Chase & Hillary Ostlund
June 07, 2019 18:13 - 1 hour - 103 MBLeading (r)evolution in public libraries. Stephanie Chase, Library Director, and Hillary Ostlund, Library Manager, from the Hillsboro, Oregon public library joined the podcast. They talked about how they are adapting their expectations of employees and the service to patrons to improve customer service. In this wide ranging interview they covered everything from throwing out the organizational chart to night libraries and serving homeless patrons.
#274 Strategy & Performance in Olathe, KS and Durham, NC
June 04, 2019 23:47 - 28 minutes - 33.2 MBMeasuring success. A trio of strategic planning and performance measurement experts joined the podcast to talk about their work: Ed Foley the Performance Management Analyst for the City of Olathe, Kansas, Josh Edwards the Strategy & Performance Director for the City of Durham, North Carolina, and Laura Chandler a Director at Clearpoint Strategy. Ed and Josh both shared their organizations' journey and Laura added the perspective of a software platform geared for strategic plans and performan...
#256 Strategy & Performance in Olathe, KS and Durham, NC
June 04, 2019 23:47 - 28 minutes - 33.2 MBMeasuring success. A trio of strategic planning and performance measurement experts joined the podcast to talk about their work: Ed Foley the Performance Management Analyst for the City of Olathe, Kansas, Josh Edwards the Strategy & Performance Director for the City of Durham, North Carolina, and Laura Chandler a Director at Clearpoint Strategy. Ed and Josh both shared their organizations' journey and Laura added the perspective of a software platform geared for strategic plans and performan...
#273 Policing & Drones with Chief Gary Jenkins, Pullman, WA
May 31, 2019 10:00 - 41 minutes - 47.7 MBPublic safety and collaboration. Gary Jenkins, the Police Chief for Pullman, Washington, shared how his department uses drones to enhance their police work and improve operations. Chief Jenkins talked about how they started their program, training staff and how they collaborate with other city departments and organizations. He also shared his career path to becoming a police chief and the unique challenges of policing in a college town. This interview was recorded from the 2019 Transformin...
#255 Policing & Drones with Chief Gary Jenkins, Pullman, WA
May 31, 2019 10:00 - 41 minutes - 47.7 MBPublic safety and collaboration. Gary Jenkins, the Police Chief for Pullman, Washington, shared how his department uses drones to enhance their police work and improve operations. Chief Jenkins talked about how they started their program, training staff and how they collaborate with other city departments and organizations. He also shared his career path to becoming a police chief and the unique challenges of policing in a college town. This interview was recorded from the 2019 Transformin...