Meditation and Hypnosis

Meditation and Hypnosis with Doug Sands

Welcome to Anywhere Hypnosis! My name is Doug Sands, and I'm a consulting hypnotist who works with clients all over the globe. All of my techniques are tailor-made to use online or via phone.

I built Anywhere Hypnosis for two kinds of people: those who love to travel, and those who love the convenience of hypnosis wherever they want it.

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Roy - Feeding Fatty (00:02):

Hello, and welcome to another episode of feeding fatty. This is Roy Harry. So this is show we, you know, we try to bring a wide variety of, uh, speakers and topics concerning health wellness, physical fitness, uh, it's a wide spectrum that we do. And today we're fortunate enough to have Doug Sans as our guest. He is a consulting hypnotist who has helps adventurous people all over the world, overcome fear and anxiety. Doug is also the host of making meaning podcast. This show interviews, top adventures to, to learn how they've built their ideal life and to inspire listeners, to start building their own. Doug, thanks a lot for taking time out of your day and welcome.

Doug (00:50):

Absolutely. Thank you so much for having me

Roy - Feeding Fatty (00:52):

Awesome. Um, you know, we all need to learn how to live our best lives and while COVID has, uh, you know, it's been definitely hard on people, uh, financially and, you know, we've had deaths and illness and all that. Uh, you know, one thing I have seen is a lot of people, uh, practicing a lot more gratitude now and also, uh, you know, being thankful and maybe wanting to restructure their lives in order to make some, you know, these more, uh, changes that we've seen lately. And so, um, you know, I think it's very timely to have you on here to talk about, you know, how can we build our ideal life and, um, also talk about the, the, uh, hypnotic aspect. I think we are both very interested in that as well. Yeah. So, um, how did, how did you, how did you find yourself, um, you know, helping, I guess, in the hypnotist role, but then also, you know, talking to adventure, some people to try to help with the, you know, build the ideal life. How did you, how did you find this space?

Doug (02:00):

I think it's only when we look back that we see that through line of how everything really connected, and that was my story. Like I never started life wanting to be a hypnotist. It wasn't my number one career goal. I started life wanting to be wanting to be a fiction author. And at first that's, that seems like very disconnected things, but I've learned that hypnosis and, um, psychology, they, they are so rooted in, uh, language and just how we use that language. So that was kind of my first foundation in that, but I grew up in rural Wisconsin where there's not a lot of adventure to be had, and I knew that I wanted more out of life. And for me personally, I always felt like I w I don't want to say a victim of life, but I felt like it was in the backseat of my own life.

Doug (02:49):

Like other people were making my decisions and I was just kind of going along with it. And it wasn't until I believe 2015 the year I was in college. And I decided that it was not for me. And so I ended up dropping out and I moved across the country to do some seasonal work. And I started feeling this fulfillment that I was looking for and having these Austin ventures, but I was still having those troubles. I'd been, I had been diagnosed at an early age with mental illness, like depression and anxiety, and I was trying to overcome that. And it wasn't until I had a pretty dangerous hike in New Hampshire where I nearly froze to death, that I had enough of a push to really search for things that were out of the ordinary. I grew up in a very Christian household and meditation and hypnosis were so far out of left field.

Doug (03:41):

I hadn't even considered that. So I discovered meditation and I started learning more about that. And I was hooked. I mean, it was the first time I realized I was able to have an influence over my own emotion and for a meditation. And, uh, adventuring, I realized that I had, I was in the driver's seat of my own life, whether I wanted to, or not what, what, you know, and by doing that, by learning more about meditation, I discovered hypnosis because there's a very strong link, you know, looking at the brain, we had patterns behind them. Okay. And when I discovered the, the rudimentary, when I discovered how I was able to make changes with the rudimentary tools that I had, I knew that I had to get certified and I had to help bring this to other people who might also be suffering.

Terry - Feeding Fatty (04:31):

Interesting. So the, so you were diagnosed with depression and anxiety and all of that. So you were just looking for a way to maybe get away from the medication and help help with, um, everything else. Um, and, um, I had something on the tip of my dog and I lost it. Uh, so they're just both linked very, I mean, the meditation is what led you to the hypnosis part of it. Um, how did you, how did you learn more about the hypnosis part of it?

Doug (05:10):

I did. So I heard the link between the two of them on a podcast of all things. And, um, I was, I was Googling things on hypnosis and how to, how to learn it. There's a bunch of different schools of hypnosis that you can go through a bunch of different trainers, but what really took off for me was a, another podcast. There's a hypnotist out of Toronto who runs a very famous podcast. His name is Mike Mendell, and I just absorbed everything I could. And when I finally went to my hypnosis training, I was amazed how much I learned, like I already had a very strong foundation just from listening to the podcast. Yeah.

Terry - Feeding Fatty (05:47):

Yeah. They're just really, there really is so much information about, you know, where do you know where to start? You know, how do you know where to start? You know? So like a little one Oh one

Roy - Feeding Fatty (05:58):

Hypnosis, maybe from you, everything that you've learned. No. Yeah. We might be kind of debunk the myth that, you know, I hate to say this, but we all have the, uh, you know, that cartoonish image of the watch waving back and forth. And then, uh, the not the, I don't know what you call them, but the person being hypnotized, you know, they fall over and then we clap twice and you have total control of them. So we can kind of debunk that myth a little bit as well. Yeah.

Doug (06:32):

People always ask me, uh, you know, some very common questions. One is hypnosis, mind control, and two is, it's a dangerous and three, am I going to get stuck? Those are probably the three most common ones that I experienced and hypnosis as mind control that idea. I mean, it's been perpetuated by, um, by these comedians, these comedic hypnosis shows, but I always have to remind people that the people who volunteered to be on that stage willingly chose to be there. That was part of that unspoken agreement that, you know, you might come up here and do some ridiculous things. When a person comes in for a therapy or change session, they're not expecting to do those things. And so they just don't happen when you're working with someone in hypnosis, you are essentially communicating with their unconscious mind, the part of them that keeps them safe, whether it's emotionally or when they step on the street.

Doug (07:29):

And they jumped back before the bus hits them. It's that part that is looking to keep you safe always. And if at any time in hypnosis, you give a suggestion to someone that their mind doesn't agree with. It's either going to ignore that suggestion, or it's going to bring them out of hypnosis because you've broken that trust, just like, uh, just like therapy and talk therapies are built on trust. Hypnosis is heavily built on trust because you're, you're putting yourself in that vulnerable state, in that relaxed state. Um, and so your unconscious mind is essentially on high alert just to keep you safe. That's the first one, that second idea of, um, hypnosis as, Oh, I lost what the second one was, but the third one was, um, hypnosis. You know, what if I get stuck in hypnosis and that's, that's not physically possible because we mentioned that talking about, um, the unconscious mind, keeping you safe. And when you're in hypnosis, your unconscious mind is monitoring your heart valves, your lung functions, your liver enzymes. It's going to wake you up eventually because you're going to need to use the bathroom or go get some food, or I don't know, get out of the room or something. It's not physically possible. The longest time that I've seen someone really stayed hypnosis after, uh, after I just stopped giving them suggestion was about 10 minutes because they had just kind of a woke from it.

Roy - Feeding Fatty (08:57):

So now are you in a better, I don't know, a better word, like a cat, a cat, a catatonic state where like, your eyes are closed and somebody might, you might appear sleep, or are you wide-eyed or kind of, how is that for the person that's being hypnotized?

Doug (09:15):

Yeah. So looking at the, looking at the brain wave patterns, when you're hitting hypnosis, you're going into a feta frequency, which is that frequency just above sleep. So you, so you're looking like you're asleep because you're very relaxed and, uh, your, your mind is constantly consciously, um, processing. Every single thing that was being said, a lot of people think that once you go into hypnosis, you're not gonna remember anything, but that's not true because if you can't hear what the hypnotist is saying, you're not going to be in here. Right. Yeah. And for Ben and for anyone who has never experienced with gnosis before I often tell them that it feels like a guided meditation, because they're very similar in the brainwave patterns, or it feels like that moments right before you fall asleep, when you are very relaxed and perhaps you're dreaming of very creative things, because your mind is actually dropping through that same frequency in that moment.

Roy - Feeding Fatty (10:15):

Okay. So now, you know, you said earlier that to be hypnotized, you need to be a willing participant. And so I guess, are there people that that will not go under? I mean, are they fighting it subconsciously or can you pretty much hit Mathais anybody?

Terry - Feeding Fatty (10:35):

Yeah.

Doug (10:37):

I believe that anyone can be hypnotized because they are constantly doing it to themselves, whether it's highway hypnosis or something, getting lost in a good book or a good movie, or being in that flow state, like think of the last time you watched a TV show or something, you didn't remember the color of the rug underneath your feet, or what was going on in the corners of the room. You were only focused on that image and it felt like you were kind of inside it. You were a part of it. You were invested that in and of itself is a very light state of hypnosis. And to be hypnotized, you know, formerly with a hypnotist, you do have to be in that receptive state where you actually wants to be hypnotized because otherwise you're not going to trust the person. And you're just, it's not going to happen. Yeah.

Terry - Feeding Fatty (11:24):

And do people when they, I'm sorry. So, so do people, um, I would see, I would think I'm like, I'm always wanted to do it. I've been very curious, um, you know, curious about it. And, and then I start thinking, Oh, they can't do it to me. I am impenetrable. I can't, you know, do people come in and does that mess up the mojo of everything? I mean, that just me, people often

Doug (11:55):

People often call it to me and they're like, I can't be hypnotized because I have a very strong mind and a very strong imagination. And I tell them that makes you the best candidate for hypnosis because the people who don't believe they're their posse, they're really going to go into gnosis. I find they're the best subjects, because they've got such a strong ability to focus and in such a strong imagination, all you really need for hypnosis is that ability to focus on something to the exclusion of all else. Yeah.

Roy - Feeding Fatty (12:31):

So now, um, I guess the, a couple of questions is, do you need to be in the same room? Can you actually do this through video or through a phone? And then, uh, I hate to even bring this up, but like the whole watch, is there something that you do physically, or is this just something that you kind of talk out, talk out with them?

Doug (12:56):

So I built my hypnosis business from the very start to be completely online. So you absolutely can do it online. That's, that's what I'm doing full time. But I do find when you are in, in person, there are a lot of little finesse kind of tools that you can use. Um, but it's definitely not required. Okay. Uh, what's your, what you're talking about, the, the swinging pocket watch, that's what we call an induction and induction is just to get you to that deep fate of state. Yeah. Uh, the swing, your pocket watch, that's just kind of a myth. No one actually does that, except maybe a few States with this, but, um, there are some physical inductions that you can do, like lifting a person's hand or, um, bringing in that kinesthetic bodily States. But it definitely doesn't have to be that because the majority, I'd say 95% of hypnosis is all about those language patterns. And when I can't get on a zoom call with someone, I will absolutely do it over the phone. I mean, it helps to be able to see their reaction because that lets me know how far they're going into it, but it's definitely something you can do online and over the phone. Okay.

Roy - Feeding Fatty (14:09):

Yeah. And we had had a conversation the other day about some things. And, uh, I think one thing you mentioned is that again, a lot, so many people, and I'm one, you know, the only thing I have to compare this to is what I've seen on TV, which they usually dramatic. Dramaticized it as well as, uh, you know, kind of, uh, the comical side of it as well. But the true hypnosis is not, uh, you know, just like myself, uh, you know, w have an eating problem and love to do eat overeat. And I exercise enough, but in order to be effective, it's not, you can put me out and then change my whole behavior. And then I wake up tomorrow and all of a sudden I'm eating broccoli and running five miles or something like that. This is a, it's still a change of behavior, which takes time. Can you kind of explain that a little bit more?

Doug (15:10):

Of course, yeah. Hypnosis is one of the most rapid ways that we can make changes, but you still have to be in that state where you're ready to make that change. Right. We call this the idea of threshold and until a person reaches that moment, they're not actually going to commit to that change. And so threshold is ideal. An idea with three parts, you have to be able to congruently say to yourself, one, something needs to change two. It has to be me that makes that change. And three, it has to be right now. And until someone can actively say those three things and believe it, it's not going to happen. Like, for me, in my own example, I had known about meditation for years before that hike, but it wasn't until I had that rock bottom moment that I knew something needed to change that I actively let it into my life.

Doug (16:03):

And so looking at perhaps weight loss meds or hypnosis, they have to be ready to lose the weight. They have to be willing. I see a lot of people coming into, or I should say reaching out to me, um, who were like, I just want you to make the wave, the magic hypnosis wand and make me lose 50 pounds. But it's not that at all, it's about me helping you to change your beliefs and your identities. And some of those things can be difficult to wrap your head around if you're not in that mind frame. Right. I mean, yeah, when we, I give the classic example of a, a woman who finds out she's pregnant and instantly stopped smoking or drinking cold Turkey, that's a perfect example of threshold. I mean, once you're in that state, the change is relatively easy to make, but so much of what I do is about helping people get through that state.

Roy - Feeding Fatty (16:58):

Okay. So this is kind of a rabbit hole, but you brought it up again. Is your hike where you actually, were you hiking? The presidential mountains?

Doug (17:12):

I was, I was in the, um, I was living in Bretton woods at the AAMC Highland center. And that specific hike where I got lost was the Lafayette Ridge, but, uh, the white mountains in the presidential range, they're closest dear to my heart. So love the place.

Roy - Feeding Fatty (17:28):

Yeah, just a side note. I did, you know, I lived in a Northern mass for awhile and got interested in that because of some of the highest clocked winds have been, uh, clocked on one of the presidential mountains. And then I, I don't know, there was a story about a young lady who actually froze to death up there in June or July. They went hike and got up to the top. And, uh, and these aren't like super, uh, elevations, I think, six, 8,000 feet somewhere in there. And then she ended up, uh, freezing to death with the freak snow storm that came through in the summit. Anyway, none of that, it's just interesting that you said that. So, um, so I think the other thing too is because, and it's not just hitting the test. I mean, it's anybody, uh, I can hang a shingle out and say that, you know, I am a brain surgeon or a chiropractor, and you're not going to figure that out until I really kinda mess you up. So, um, if somebody was wanting to choose a hypnotist, so how would they go about that? Making sure that they're reputable, good match. Uh, and I don't know if P if, if, if it's hypnotist in general or, you know, if some, uh, may be focused on different aspects of changing behavior.

Doug (18:47):

Yeah. I actually spoke about this with a pharmacist on one of her podcasts recently. Um, and she was asking if there was like some central board behind hypnosis and there, there isn't yet because unlike unlike doctors and social workers and these really well-established fields, there, aren't a lot of hypnotists, I think worldwide, there's some people who say it's as low as 17,000. Some people say it's like, I dunno, a hundred thousand, there aren't enough hypnotists to make it worthwhile for a government to put out the bureaucracy and the manpower to regulate it. Yet. There are some hypnosis boards though, who have done this independently. Um, whether there are a couple in the U S I think there's one major one in the UK, and there's a bunch in Europe. Um, for someone who's looking for a hypnotist that they know is actually going to help them change.

Doug (19:44):

I've got some recommendations. Okay. Uh, there are, there are a lot of bad hypnotists out there, and I don't, I don't say bad as in, like, they're going to mess you up or, um, steal your money or anything. Like, they're just not very skilled because as you say, there's no central board of hypnosis. And so there's, it's, it's a kind of low bar to get into. I would S I recommend that they first look at their website. Is it professional? Is it, you know, does it look like someone just slapped it up there? Uh, I would look for their publications, um, look for if it just is published anywhere else besides their website, if they've got a podcast, or if they've got, um, publications in a local paper or even a national paper, that's a really good sign. Um, I would also look at a hypnotist who specializes in something because hypnosis hypnotists can be generalists.

Doug (20:39):

And I've seen hypnotists who, uh, do everything from weight loss to stopping smoking, to, um, ending anxiety. And they even a plumbing business out of the back of their garage. And so look for someone who really specializes and hones in on something. And then most scientists will give you that 15 minutes conversation to talk about what you want to come in for free, take that and trust your gut. If you get a very bad feeling from a hypnotist, like they're not going to help you go to someone else. And if you're in a rural area where there's only one hypnotist or no hypnotists, you're not stuck with that one option. There are so many habitus online. I mean, personally, I've built it from the start to be online. And so that's what I specialize in. But even now in 2020, like the major players in hypnosis who were only brick and mortar are now going into that online field, the options now for hypnosis are so vast. Yeah. Little did you know that was going to, Oh my gosh. That was a great, great way to structure your hypnosis practice. Absolutely. Yeah. I got lucky on that one. I built it that way to be able to travel, but this year with 2020, um, it, it really, really saved me.

Roy - Feeding Fatty (21:59):

So you, uh, you know, you talked about the, kind of the trust and connection, and I assume that we could approach this like a therapist is, I mean, you, you don't want somebody that's just gonna roll over for you and say yes to everything, but you, you really need to look to somebody that you kind of have that connection that you feel like you can trust in order to make this the most effective.

Doug (22:27):

Absolutely. Absolutely. So that brings up the idea of rapport and you see it in therapy and you see it in hypnosis. If you don't trust a person, if you don't like that person, it's not going to work, or it's not going to work as effectively. Right. And you can tell when you're in rapport with a professional, like a hypnotist who you were talking with in that first 15 minutes, if you are well, let's, let's use the example of a dinner conversation. You meet a friend for dinner, and you're just really engrossed in their story. And every time they, they laugh, you're laughing. And every time they take a drink of water, perhaps you take a drink of water because you're mirroring their body language unconsciously. I would say that when you were trying to tell if you're going to be a good fit for hypnotist, trust your gut, because your unconscious mind already knows whether that person is like you enough. And if you're going to trust them enough to go into hypnosis.

Roy - Feeding Fatty (23:30):

So, uh, I guess the best, uh, the other thing I was going to say is the best directory, I guess, that we can do is just do a local search, but, uh, or, uh, I mean, a Google search. And now that we do understand that you don't have to be local, that kind widens the, uh, your prospects that you can take the time to look around and find somebody that you really feel like you should, uh, like you really connect with. So you can build that rapport and trust.

Doug (23:58):

Absolutely. Absolutely.

Roy - Feeding Fatty (24:00):

So, you know, we've talked about general behaviors, uh, I guess let's talk about some, um, specific things, you know, we can talk about weight loss, stopping smoking. What are some other, um, things that you, maybe not, you personally, well, as a million ask you, do you have a specific focus first off, and then if you do, or, you know, even if you do, what are some other things that other, uh, hypnotist may be able to help with?

Doug (24:29):

Yeah. So I focus on dealing with anxiety. That's my number one thing. That's what I personally resonate with. I also, as a secondary thing, do a lot of weight loss hypnosis. And the amazing thing about hypnosis is that once you learn the, uh, once you learn the tools and everything behind it, as long as you know, the structure and the psychology of what you're trying to change, you can use it on almost any problem. And that's why you see a lot of nurses, generalists. Yeah. Um, so I typically don't advertise for things like, um, I don't know, irritable bowel syndrome or nailbiting or things like that are very niche because anxiety is my big one. Yeah. But when someone comes to me and if they've worked with me before, or if they've just heard of some of my content, and they're really in a good they're trusting of me, then I will work with them for that issue. The one issue that I don't really work with, that everyone knows that those for is smoking. Because I find that when people sign up for that session, they're in that state, they're like, I'm ready to drop this habit. And then the sessions now for like two to three weeks, and then they show up for the session and it's like, well, I already bought this thing. So I guess I'll, I'll try it and see what happens. They're not in that state anymore. And so

Roy - Feeding Fatty (25:46):

Up smoking smoke one last cigarette while we're talking,

Doug (25:52):

You got it. Exactly. So, uh, there, there's some very big ones like mental illness and phobias and fears, uh, weight loss, uh, smoking. Uh, but there are also some very niche things. Like I mentioned, irritable bowel syndrome. That's actually been studied by the university of Michigan, I believe as an effective treatment for that. Uh, it's even used to treat cancer. It's approved by the national cancer Institute as a treatment modality. So really if, I mean, if you're curious, if whatever you've got, whether that's emotional or physical is treatable with hypnosis and just reach out because I guarantee a hypnotist can give you an honest answer of whether or not that's going to be effective.

Roy - Feeding Fatty (26:33):

So you mentioned a research from the, Oh, I'm sorry. Go ahead. Go ahead. I'm sorry. No, no, no. There's just a little bit of delay. I didn't mean to, sorry, go ahead. I know, sorry.

Terry - Feeding Fatty (26:44):

I don't like that. No, I was just going to say, I didn't realize, you know, the irritable, irritable bowel and in that cancer, I didn't realize that, um, you know, how the, how hypnosis that helped with, with that, is it just the, um, internal, I mean, how does it, how did that work?

Doug (27:01):

Yeah, so hypnosis works both with the mind and the physical aspect of those, those issues. So like irritable bowel syndrome, part of it is mental. Part of it is the cues and triggers that we've taught ourselves to, to follow. But it's also partly physical and gnosis is about communicating with the unconscious mind that part of you that runs your stomach and your, your organs and that part of you speaks in, in visualization and in emotions, it doesn't speak in language like you and I speak with. And so hypnosis is a very effective way to communicate with that in its own language. And so in the example of cancer, you can show, or I should say you can encourage a, um, a body to be more perceptive on what specific cells are cancer cells and what are healthy cells and by training or by hyper-focusing your body's aim, its target state. You can really let it do its own work and just give it direction on what you want it to do.

Terry - Feeding Fatty (28:12):

Hmm. Okay.

Roy - Feeding Fatty (28:14):

So you mentioned some research from the university of Michigan. I think that that's another thing is like, if there's somebody that's interested, but skeptical, can you point them to some bodies of, you know, academic research that they could go look at and maybe feel a little bit, I know that's kind of a, uh, off the wall question, but, uh, you know, sometimes people feel better reading some research in order to feel more comfortable moving forward with it. And if you don't know any, that's fine. We may, uh, you know, offline get some and post on the show notes.

Terry - Feeding Fatty (28:53):

Yeah.

Doug (28:57):

Well, in any case, I definitely can talk about the, the science behind hypnosis. I mean, it's been studied for over 50 years Bay back in 1982, the British medical association actually approved it as a treatment modality. And it's actually went further and said that all doctors should, um, take 144 hours of hypnotherapy training so that they can use this with their patients. It's been approved by the American medical association.

Terry - Feeding Fatty (29:40):

Um, I was doing,

Doug (29:44):

I found the ones that I really liked, the one that showed, um, exactly what I was trying to get people, but they, they kept getting bogged down. So now I've just compiled. Some of the best was the best academic research on my own website, which is anywhere hypnosis.com. Someone wants to check that out. They can scroll through, I've got four to five of the really big ones. And if they really want to do their own research, I just say, go to Google scholar and search hypnosis and efficacy. Cause there's, it's been studied for over a hundred years, so many research papers on just what this can do. Okay.

Roy - Feeding Fatty (30:21):

Okay. Interesting.

Doug (30:38):

It's like the stories cause you think of it. I think on the campfire, the shaman is telling a, a really interesting story and they're being the drums and people are going into that trance state where they're in the zone, but the first kind of recorded history that we have that was way back in, uh, in ancient Greece in the sleep temples. And that's actually where the name Hypnos comes from because Hypnos was the God of sleep and that's, you know, hypnosis, um, it's evolved and really taken on a life of its own from the early days of magnetism and Mesmer and those kinds of things. It's now bringing in so many other tools from neuroscience and psychology. It's really a it's by now. It's a well running machine and it's something that constantly improves hypnotists are very well known for constantly learning and improving their craft.

Roy - Feeding Fatty (31:33):

Okay. I think I might've dropped off there. Sorry about that. I had a little internet interruption, but uh, I think what you were, I caught the tail end of it. I think what you were saying was that you've compiled some research that's on your website that people can go to and we'll give all that information here in just a little bit as well. Oh yeah. All right. That's great. So, um, as we kind of wrap up here, so what is a tool that you use in your daily life that, um, it could be a tool. It could be a habit or ritual, but what's something that you do in your daily life that you couldn't do without it personal professional.

Doug (32:16):

So I do meditation and Suffolk self-hypnosis every single morning. I'm constantly growing, constantly changing and I've made that a part of my life. I would say the tool that I use most often is a tool from hypnosis called the pattern interrupt. And when we get, when we get stuck in our thoughts, when we're stuck in a negative loop of emotion or anything like that, sometimes all you have to do is literally shock yourself a little bit to break up that loop and then go into a new direction. And so personally, I just, when I'm stuck in that loop, I tell myself, literally stop. And then that, that shakes up that loop enough that I can say, this is how I want to feel instead. And so I'm going to do these things instead, just being willing to break up those loops instead of kind of indulging in it and letting it run its course.

Roy - Feeding Fatty (33:10):

Okay. Interesting. All right. So, um, you've told us a little bit about how you can help people, but, uh, no, if you want to be a little more specific, you know, who are some of, you know, who would be a good client for you and then, you know, what you can do for them. And then of course, how they can reach out and get a hold of you.

Doug (33:35):

I would say anyone who is really ready to make a change, whatever that change may be. So I, I call myself the adventure hypnotist because I work mostly with anxiety, with people who want to live the adventurous life, whether that's climbing Everest or just simply getting out of their house, if they've got a Gore, a phobia or something. Okay. So I typically see anxiety clients, but whether it's weight loss or anything like that, if you've got a question about whether it's going to work, reach out to me, you can find me on my website anywhere hypnosis. I'm also very active on Instagram. My handle is at making your meaning and I give a, I call it if not a test drive, but for those who are curious about hypnosis, I give up these free hypnosis sessions just to, just to see what it's like. And it's not just me giving the search, this relaxed state, it's me actually taking those same tools and using it for a general audience.

Roy - Feeding Fatty (34:36):

Okay. All right. Awesome. Terry, you have anything before we wrap up?

Terry - Feeding Fatty (34:43):

No, I'm, I'm still stuck on the self-hypnosis going back. Like, Oh, how would I do that kid a beer? You can be one of your clients. You're your best. I mean, why not? You know, you're, you're the best. One

Doug (35:00):

Of self-hypnosis. I don't want to turn this into a sales pitch, but I've got a group class coming up on February 1st and second I'm teaching the basics of self-hypnosis and what I find most, or I should say what I find the best way is to teach. So, and self-hypnosis is not to try to give them the years of hypnosis training that I have to just go through. It's too good. Take them to that place using a hypnosis session and then give them the tools to get back there. And so it's just a 90 minute session. I'm going to give you the tools. And then at the end of it, it's going to be a full session if gnosis where, um, we are actually taking the clients, the subjects to that state so they can reaccess it for themselves. Okay. Awesome.

Terry - Feeding Fatty (35:46):

February 1st

Doug (35:47):

And second, I believe the first is on 4:00 PM MST and the ninth or the second is on 9:00 AM MSD

Terry - Feeding Fatty (35:56):

And we can find that on your website on Instagram. Okay,

Roy - Feeding Fatty (36:02):

Great. Yeah. And we'll be sure and put that in the show notes as well for you. Yeah. All right. All right. Well, thanks a lot then just going to do it for another episode of feeding fatty. Uh, of course you can find us at www dot feeding, fatty.com. Also we're on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter, and this will be put up on YouTube as well. So, um, until next time, take care of yourself and take care of each other.

Doug (36:32):

Absolutely.

Terry - Feeding Fatty (36:34):

Doug, thank you so much. We're very grateful that you came in and gave us your time and expertise. Yeah, absolutely. Thank you again. Appreciate it. Thanks. Have a great holiday.

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