Drum History
257 episodes - English - Latest episode: 20 days ago - ★★★★★ - 218 ratingsA podcast all about the rich history of the drums - and how they became what they are today! Join Bart van der Zee as he speaks with experts about the curious journey of the ever-evolving drum set.
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The Roots of the British Invasion with Daniel Glass
June 07, 2022 04:00 - 1 hourThis episode is all about the musicians who inspired the famous British Invasion drummers of the 1960's well before the music reached American soil. Daniel takes us through the 1950's in England to learn about the circumstances that created the famous Rock and Roll sounds that swept across the world, and we learn the geographic factors such as growing up in the completely bombed out post-WW2 England. Plus the impact that the first wave of touring American Rockstars had on the young impression...
From Double Drumming to Double Bass Drums with Cadan Saunders-Beswick
May 31, 2022 14:14 - 1 hourCadan takes us through his masters thesis which covers the long and often misunderstood history of the drum kit. His studies included interviews with Thomas Lang, Daniel Glass, Steve White, Matt Brennan and many more which he shares in this episode. The title of his thesis is "From Double Drumming to Double Bass Drums" and we not only discuss many historical elements along the way, but the process in which he researched and documented topics which have no living primary sources and have multi...
Ludwig Supraphonic History with Uli Salazar
May 24, 2022 04:00 - 1 hourThe Ludwig Supraphonic is known as the most recorded snare drum in history and has an amazing background that dates all the way back to 1914! Uli Salazar is the Senior Marketing and Artist Relations Manager at Ludwig and he gives us a great deep dive into the technology that evolved over a 50 year period leading up to the release of the Supra in 1964. We talk about the lugs, the shell design, the throw-off, and tons of great details about the Supraphonic! Check out Uli on Instagram at @damend...
Perspectives on Punk Drumming with Steve Lauden
May 17, 2022 04:00 - 58 minutesSteve Lauden is the author of "The Forbidden Beat: Perspectives on Punk Drumming" which explores the history of punk percussion with personal essays, interviews and lists featuring their favorite players and biggest influences. Steve breaks down the early history of punk drumming form the 60's proto-punk, through the iconic 70's and 80's, up to the modern pop-punk of the 2000's through today. We dig into some of Steves favorite stories and lessons that he learned from many of the legends he i...
(From The Vault) The Death of Trap Drummers with Kelli Rae Tubbs - 2018
May 10, 2022 04:00 - 45 minutes(Originally released in April 2018) What was it like to be a Trap Drummer in the silent movie era as talking pictures take over and your job was becoming obsolete? Listen as Kelli and I discuss how this great percussion genre became extinct. Trap Drummers were percussionists who performed alongside silent films and performances before the advent of "Talkies" (talking pictures). Using a wide array of instruments and devices (contraptions), Trap Drummers aimed to make audiences believe these so...
Drums on Sesame Street with Bill Sherman
May 03, 2022 04:00 - 46 minutesBill is the Music Director on Sesame Street and shares tons of great information on the famous drummers that have played on the show like Questlove, Anderson Paak, Evelyn Glennie, and more - plus we discuss Buddy RIch and his performance with with Animal on The Muppets in the 80's. Bill talks about how it works when a Muppet plays the drums and how it is synced up with a real drummer, and also the importance of music and rhythm on Sesame Street and all kids programming. Bill has worked on man...
The New Milestone Percussion with Ronn Dunnett
April 26, 2022 04:00 - 1 hourRonn discusses his new acquisition of the classic Canadian brand, Milestone Percussion! Milestone was founded in the 1970's by Michael Clapham, and became a beloved brand of Fiberglass drums that hold a special place in many drummers hearts. Now, in 2022, Ronn has brought the original brand back to life and is relaunching with the extreme attention to detail that we have all come to expect from all Dunnett products. Ron doesn't spare any details of what he thinks went wrong with the original ...
Rare and Unique Drum Finishes with Randy Rainwater
April 19, 2022 04:00 - 1 hourRandy takes us through the decades of rare finishes including Leedy's "Autographs of the Stars", Ludwig's "Top Hat and Cain", all sorts of Pearl and Oyster finishes, and through the psychedelic 60 and 70's with Citrus Mod, Psych Red, and Mod Orange. Randy is a longtime collector and restorer of vintage drums and shares stories of many kits that have come through his hands, and discusses many ultra rare kits that he has seen and learned about in the vintage community. Be sure to find Randy at ...
Making a Career out of Collecting with Richard King
April 12, 2022 04:00 - 1 hourRichard King has been collecting and dealing with high end drums since the 1980's, which has led him to be a dealer and broker for celebrities and also provided drum kits for a number of films. He has a very long running business that specializes in rare and hard to find drum hardware that he has meticulously cleaned, categorized and ready to sell out of his house. Richard shares information on his background on collecting, but also the vintage drum industry and drum shows as a whole. He has ...
The History of Street Drumming with Dr. John Owens
April 05, 2022 04:00 - 1 hourDr. John Owens shares the vibrant lineage of street drumming, the lives of urban percussionists, and the rhythms that make it all happen! He has a history as a street drummer in Washington DC, a performer at Disney, and a member of the US Army Band. He is the author of "Street Drumming: The People, History, and Grooves" which is a soup to nuts guide on everything there is to know about Street Drumming! You can find his book for sale here: https://www.amazon.com/dp/1954270135/ref=sr_1_2 Here i...
Ludwigs Role in Drumhead History with Bill Ryder
March 29, 2022 04:00 - 58 minutesBill Ryder is a longtime listener of the podcast that decided to do extensive research on Ludwig drumheads and the important role that they played in the history of modern plastic drumheads and present it on the podcast. Ludwig's crimped style of drumhead was unique and different from how Remo and Evans connected Mylar to the flesh hoop with a resin epoxy and how they arrived at the use of Mylar is an huge part of drumhead history. The crimped style was quickly stolen by Slingerland which may...
Downsizing a Drum Collection with Louis Bernstein
March 22, 2022 04:00 - 59 minutesLouis Bernstein not only had a large, high-end drum collection but he also had a true passion for hunting down many of the original famous drum films and tapes that we all enjoy on YouTube today - but Louis was faced with the challenge of moving to a Condo in 2013 and sell off the majority of his collection. He shares the process of how downsizing a collection of 140+ snares, 4 kits, countless rare tapes, Buddy Rich Memorabilia, and all sorts of other things worked and what he learned from th...
The History of the Drum Kit in Brazil with Daniel Gohn
March 15, 2022 04:00 - 1 hourDaniel is a professor at the Federal University of São Carlos in Brazil, along with being a contributor to "The Cambridge Companion to the Drum Kit". Daniels history for this episode goes back to 1917 in Brazil and takes us through the amazing history of drum sets, drumming styles, and iconic drummers which has many parallels to the American and European histories we usually hear on the show - but this is uniquely Brazilian! Here is a link to Daniels website: https://danielgohn.wixsite.com/we...
The History of Drum Workshop with Don Lombardi
March 08, 2022 05:00 - 1 hourDon Lombardi is the founder of DW Drums and he shares the full story of this legendary American drum brand. Drum Workshop has amazing origins in Don's garage where he recycled the name from his drum teaching business and turned his garage into a workshop where he and his student, John Good, created canister thrones that could raise and lower - and the rest is history! I learned so much about the Camco story, the 5000 pedal, and everything I never knew about DW and Don's background as a profes...
Carrying on George L. Stones Legacy with Barry James
March 01, 2022 05:00 - 54 minutesBarry James was a student of George Lawrence Stone in the 1950's and is continuing on his teachings to this day by releasing two new books that he worked on with Joe Morello that are finally ready to be released! Barry's new book's are called "Counting the Exercises in Stick Control" which supplements "Stick Control" and teaches how to read it the way Stone originally intended, and the second is "Future Rudiments" which is a concept that Stone created towards the end of his life. Barry is a w...
Ringo and The Beatles "Get Back" with Gary Astridge
February 22, 2022 05:00 - 1 hourGary Astridge is Ringo Starr's historian and curator of his equipment who does talks around the world about all things Ringo! He shares tons of great information about the recent documentary, "Get Back", including his equipment, the relationship of the band, and what happened to Ringo's drums after the album was finished. I also ask Gary a bunch of great questions that were sent in from listeners on social media. We also learn some very exciting news about Ringos "Let It Be" drums that are co...
A Look at the Delaware Drum Show with Joe Mekler
February 15, 2022 05:00 - 1 hourJoe Mekler aka Joey Boom tells us all about the Delaware Drum Show which is one of the top drum shows in the USA and is happening on February 27th (2022). Joe is not only an expert on World War 2 drums, but he is a master restorer of vintage drums and a staple of the vintage community. In this episode, my friend Joe shares everything you need to know about this years show and the legacy that he is keeping alive through his passionate dedication to the vintage drum community and the beautiful ...
Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Drummers with Mandy Smith
February 08, 2022 05:00 - 51 minutesMandy is the Director of Education at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland, Ohio and she shares tons of great insider information on how the Rock Hall works! She is a drummer who teaches us things like how many drummers have been inducted twice, can an iconic studio musician be inducted, and how many female drummers are in the Hall of Fame? This is a cool episode that really shines a light on an American Rock and Roll institution that can often be a source of controversy when the nomin...
Studying the Greats with Joe Bergamini
February 01, 2022 05:00 - 1 hourJoe talks about working with Neil Peart and Stewart Copeland on the amazing books that he created to spotlight their legendary careers. Joe Bergamini is a prolific author, drummer and teacher and shares the story of how he convinced these mega drummers to let him in and create books that are detailed transcription books, but also work as a coffee table book that shares all the details of the drummers career. Joe also shares lots of great stories about his career and working as a broadway drum...
Collectors Spotlight with Terry Keating (Bonzoleum)
January 25, 2022 05:00 - 1 hourThis is a fun conversation with Youtube legend Terry Keating (aka Bonzoleum) about how his long history of collecting drums and tips and tricks he has learned along the way, He is known for his passion and knowledge about John Bonham, but Terry is also extremely knowledgable about a wide range of vintage and not so vintage drums. He is a genuinely nice guy who has worked very hard on building his 61k subscriber YouTube channel and it was a lot of fun to talk to Terry about his personal collec...
How the Drum Industry Works with John DeChristopher
January 18, 2022 05:00 - 1 hourJohn worked for Zildjian for 24 years in a number of roles from artist relations all the way up to vice president of the company. I asked him to teach me how the industry works, and he did a great job of breaking down many roles in the drum world and how they all work together. John has personally worked with brands like Simmons, DW, and Zildjian - but these positions and roles are typically industry wide. This is a good way to learn about how it all works if you are interested in a career, b...
The John Bonham Episode with George Fludas
January 11, 2022 05:00 - 1 hourGeorge Fludas is a Bonzo fanatic who shares his immense knowledge about John Bonham including a biography of the iconic Zeppelin drummer, a discussion of his touring years with Zep, and a look at what we do and don't know about his famous gear. This is a very long awaited episode that I have wanted to do for a long time and I am very happy that George came on to share a very respectful and interesting look at the favorite drummer of many players around the world. Here is a link to George's "B...
A Look at Billy Gladstone with Chet Falzerano and David Wood
January 04, 2022 05:00 - 1 hourBilly Gladstone was a legendary performer and the maker of some of the rarest drums in existence with only 61 snare drums and 2 drum sets that are still known to be among us today. Chet Falzerano provides a fascinating biography of Billy and tons of info that is only available from his extensive research he did for his book on Gladstone. This episode also features a short interview segment with the owner of the one of the two Gladstone drum sets that still exists - David Wood. He shares the s...
Ted Reed Bio (Syncopation) & 2021 Wrap Up
December 28, 2021 05:00 - 21 minutesThis is a quick episode where Bart shares a short biography of "Syncopation" author, Ted Reed, and discusses some Drum History Pod info about things that are coming up! Big thanks to JDA for providing the information about Ted Reed on drumforum.org. Here are the links to the videos that most likely feature Ted Reed on drums: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qP0UPuc-DU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJJEX_M2ReQ
The Snare Drums of Buddy Rich with Tommy Piorek
December 21, 2021 05:00 - 1 hourTommy teaches us about his amazing period correct collection of snares that Buddy Rich played spanning his career from 1950 to the early 1980's! We dig deep into 15 specific snare drums including Buddy's famous relationship with the forbidden Fibes snare drum that he loved so much, his wood DynaSonic, his on/off relationships with Slingerland and Ludwig, and of course - Buddy playing Trixon! Tommy Piorek is a Buddy RIch expert and has a number of rare Buddy Rich collectibles - but this collec...
Backbeat Drumming in the 40's and 50's with Jason Gianni
December 14, 2021 05:00 - 1 hourJason Gianni shares audio examples from artists including Fats Domino, Elvis, Ray Charles, Sister Rosetta Tharpe and many more that showcase the evolution of rock drumming from the 1940's to the 1960's. We discuss the drumming of these great artists plus Jason plays examples on his own kit! Jason is an instructor at the Drummers Collective in NYC and a professor at the New School in NYC and the University of the Arts in Philadelphia, and most importantly - he played drums on the "SpongeBob Sq...
Backbeat drumming in the 40's and 50's with Jason Gianni
December 14, 2021 05:00 - 1 hourJason Gianni shares audio examples from artists including Fats Domino, Elvis, Ray Charles, Sister Rosetta Tharpe and many more that showcase the evolution of rock drumming from the 1940's to the 1960's. We discuss the drumming of these great artists plus Jason plays examples on his own kit! Jason is an instructor at the Drummers Collective in NYC and a professor at the New School in NYC and the University of the Arts in Philadelphia, and most importantly - he played drums on the "SpongeBob Sq...
Drumming Through The Decades with Vicky O'Neon
December 07, 2021 05:00 - 1 hourVicky teaches us the history of female drummers through the decades in this very in-depth episode that begins 2000 years ago when all the drummers in society were women! Vicky O'Neon is a great drummer, educator, and YouTuber who has created an amazing 12. part series that she was kind of enough to condense all that information in this fun episode. Female drummers have faced countless hardships through the decades but the thing that really struck me in this episode is how unbelievably persist...
The History of Corder Drums with Don Corder
November 30, 2021 05:00 - 51 minutesCorder Drums was born in 1979 when Jim Corder purchased the Fibes manufacturing equipment from C.F. Martin after they decided to no longer be in the drum business. My guest is Don Corder, Jim's son, was an employee since day one and helped his dad and brothers learn on the fly and create a drum brand that is now a part of the history of the instrument. Not only is this a great story because of the Fibes and Darwin drums connection, but it is a wonderful story of a family working together to m...
The History of Paiste (Part 2) with Dan Garza
November 23, 2021 05:00 - 1 hourWe pick up the Paiste history in the 1970's when 2002's were king and all the famous European rock bands were representing Paiste. The company also lost its distribution deal with Ludwig in the early 70's and had a period of about 4 or 5 years where distribution in America was slim to none - until they made a deal with Rogers that brought the iconic cymbals state-side. This and much much more is discussed in this episode, plus Dan corrects a few things from the first episode that came to ligh...
The History of Paiste (Part 1) with Dan Garza
November 16, 2021 05:00 - 1 hourThis is an in-depth look at the fascinating history of one of the biggest names in cymbal making - Paiste! Dan Garza is an expert on the history of the company and teaches us the origin story that dates back to the turn of the century in Estonia with the Paiste family right up to the 1970's in Switzerland and Germany. Part 2 will pick up where this episode leaves off with the 70's rock explosion where Paiste was being played by some of the biggest names in the industry including John Bonham, ...
A Look at Basel Drumming with Edith Habraken
November 09, 2021 05:00 - 47 minutesEdith teaches us about the amazing drumming culture in Basel Switzerland and the unique style of drumming that the region has made famous. We talk about the construction of the Basler drums and the history of the clubs and traditions that created this unique environment. Edith is a legend in the Basel drumming community and is a great ambassador to the region. A link to Ediths website: www.habraken.ch The english title of her book is: “In the footsteps of the drummers of Basel” English tran...
The History of Kent Drums with Dennis Brown (Mouse)
November 02, 2021 04:00 - 1 hourThe story of Kent Drums is a tale of the American dream as a family travels from Poland to America in 1911, then starts a drum company after WW2 that is created to make affordable drums for people who cant afford the big brands. My guest Dennis Brown aka Mouse, is the author of "History of the Kent Drum Company 1946-1977" and is an absolute expert on Kent with first hand information from his interviews with William and Edward Kent. Mouse has a great reason to be connected to the drum brand wh...
Bringing Rudiments to the Drum Kit with Jim Clark
October 26, 2021 04:00 - 1 hourJim Clark is a 57 year veteran of the drums and an expert at applying traditional rudiments to the drum set for an everyday rock/jazz drummer (like myself). We discuss how drummers like Steve Gadd, Billy Cobham, Elvin Jones and many more are masters of the rudimental method and how they apply it to commercial music without sounding like a traditional marching band drummer. Jim is a educator, historian, performer and author of books such as "Connecticut's Drum & Fife Tradition" and the brand n...
A Look at the Punk D-Beat with Spike T. Smith
October 19, 2021 04:00 - 54 minutesD-Beat is a very specific beat that is used in punk music starting in the early 80's in the UK that then grew into its own style of the genre. My guest is Spike T. Smith who is a veteran punk drummer who came up in the D-Beat era of punk in the the UK and has played with greats such as Morrissey, The Damned, Killing Joke, New York Dolls, Steve Ignorant/Crass, Sona Fariq and Sacrilege. He created a great documentary about the history of the D-Beat and he shares the full story with us in this e...
The Biography of Mitch Mitchell with Kevin John Simon
October 12, 2021 04:00 - 1 hourMitch Mitchell was a successful child star on BBC before he ever became a drummer, then he changed gears to become a drummer full time and had a gold record with Jimi Hendrix by the time he was 20. This is an amazingly in-depth look at the life of one of the most swinging rock drummers that ever sat behind the kit. My guest is Major Kevin John Simon who is the founder of the very successful Mitch Mitchell Fan Club. He is an absolute expert on Mitch, his kits, and every important milestone of ...
A Look at Nelson Drum Shop with Bryson Nelson
October 05, 2021 04:00 - 50 minutesBryson Nelson has created a shop that not only is a mecca for vintage drum lovers, but also a place where drummers of all levels can come and enjoy the community that is very unique to our drum world. He shares the story of how he started his shop and the joys and pressures that comes along with starting a brand from scratch, Bryson has a very young family and has been dealing with health issues that has been pulling him away from his shop recently, while simultaneously he is expanding into a...
Desert Island Drums with Bob Henrit
September 28, 2021 04:00 - 1 hourBob is a world class collector who has been a drummer in bands such as the Kinks, The Daybreakers, Argent and worked as a session/live drummer with musicians like Roger Daltrey and Don McLean. When he wasn't on stage, Bob was visiting mom and pop music stores across the world trying to find rare and unique drums and take them back home to the UK. Bob shares his "Desert Island Drums" that are his absolute favorites and most important to him in his extensive career. This episode is chocked full...
The History of French Drumming with Josh Harmon
September 21, 2021 04:00 - 1 hourJosh is known on social media for his amazing videos where he creates percussive sound effects to famous movie clips and it has garnered him a following in the millions - but he joins me in this episode to talk about his passion and expertise on the history of french military drumming. He not only studied the ins-and-outs of the Napoleonic military style of drumming and all the tactical ways drums were used in the military, but he actually traveled to France to study with one of the last men ...
A Look At Bearing Edges with Jeff Kirsch
September 14, 2021 04:00 - 1 hourDon't blame yourself if you have trouble tuning - It might be your edges! Jeff is a great drum builder in Portland, Oregon who has a deep understanding of bearing edges and drum building in general. He spends majority of this episode discussing everything you need to know to understand how edges work, but we also talk about vintage vs. modern shell construction and wood types! Get in contact with Jeff here: https://portlanddrums.com/ Enjoy this episode!
Louie Bellson and Tuxedo Bags with Ron Weinstein
September 07, 2021 04:00 - 1 hourRon Weinstein was the inventor of the iconic Tuxedo Bags and had a 40 year relationship with Louie Bellson. He shares the story of how he created the bags which revolutionized drum cases in the 1980's, and how his friend Louie Bellson rocketed his brand forward by attaching Louies celebrity to the brand . The best part is that Louie didn't ask for a dime and Ron tells many great stories that paint picture of how much of a gentleman the drumming legend really was. This is great drumming histor...
A Look At Animal Skin Drumheads with Jeff Stern
August 31, 2021 04:00 - 1 hourJeff Stern owns and operates Stern Tanning Co. which acquired the United Rawhide Company of Chicago in 2001 - the former largest manufacturer or drumheads in the world before mylar became king. United Rawhide was the primary drumhead provider for Slingerland, Gretsch, Rogers, and Ludwig. Jeff teaches us the start to finish process of how a tannery works and creates high quality drumheads, plus lots of great information about how, when, and why you would want to use a calf or goat skin drumhea...
Can You Copyright A Drumbeat? with Kurt Dahl
August 24, 2021 04:00 - 1 hourKurt is a drumming entertainment lawyer who breaks down the age old question - can you copyright a drumbeat? We discuss famous songs like "We Will Rock You", "Billy Jean", When The Levee Breaks", "Sunday Bloody Sunday", and many more. Kurt also tells us how song credits work and how we can protect ourselves and get what we deserve as drummers plus tons of other great information. Kurt is the drummer for the very successful rock group, One Bad Son, and has some serious real world experience wi...
The History of Fibes Drums with Tommy Robertson
August 17, 2021 03:51 - 1 hourTommy has been the owner of Fibes Drums since 1994, and he is the perfect person to tell us about the history of this iconic brand that dates back to 1966. They are very sought after and beloved drums that are the gem of many collections and we learn about the different eras and owners of the brand. They pushed forward both the technology of Fiberglass drums and Acrylic drums which helped shape the sound of drummers of the 60's, 70,s 80's through to today. Check out Tommys Drum Shop here: htt...
The Science of Why We Love Drums with Dr. Kristen Vogt Veggeberg
August 10, 2021 03:23 - 55 minutesWar drums, Primate communication, Indigenous peoples' sacred instruments, and hippie drum circles! Kristen tells us why we are hard wired to love the drums the way we do through her in-depth scientific research that begins 7000 years ago with the earliest drum and ends up today with blistering heavy metal drummers using the primal rhythms to make us feel the fear that our early ancestors felt. This is a really unique episode with a great perspective from a non-drummer who can help shed some k...
The Right Drummer for the Right Band with Mike Edison
August 03, 2021 04:00 - 1 hourMike Edison joins us to discuss when the stars align and Charlie finds The Stones, Bonzo joins Zeppelin, Ringo meets the Beatles, and Keith explodes into The Who. We talk all about what makes these (plus many another) drummer's the absolute perfect choice for each of the iconic rock groups and play a game where we switch drummers into different bands. Mike also discusses his great book, "Sympathy for the Drummer - Why Charlie Watt's Matters" which is now available on paperback, and he tells u...
Creating A Long Career In Drumming With Peter Jarvis
July 27, 2021 04:00 - 1 hourPete Jarvis has had a very long and illustrious career that includes working with Wes Anderson and on the HBO series, "Boardwalk Empire" as a composer, arranger and drummer plus he has performed as a soloist, chamber player, Broadway musician and as conductor/player with chamber music ensembles, orchestras and choruses. Pete shares his story with us and many key pieces of advice on how to plan for a long and diverse career in the world of drumming. He is not only planning his next gig, but he...
The Origins of Tempus Drums with Paul Mason
July 20, 2021 04:00 - 1 hourPaul is a master drum builder who used materials such as Hemp, Carbon Fiber, Carbon Kevlar, and Fiberglass. He started Tempus in Vancouver in 1985 and and ran the company until he decided to wind down and close his shop in 2012. His unique materials and production style made some of the most unique drums on the market that were widely loved by players around the world. Paul made over 7000 in his career and has some amazing stories about learning to use these materials, running a business, com...
The History of Drum Endorsements with Rob Cook
July 13, 2021 04:00 - 1 hourRob teaches us about the early origins of drum endorsements that dates all the way back to the early 1900's with drummers being featured in "The Ludwig Drummer" and "Leedy Drum Topics" magazines. We then go through the 50's and 60's where big money started to get involved and Rob shares stories of drummers like Buddy Rich receiving massive cash payments to play various drum brands and Gene Krupa's golden deal that he had with Slingerland. Rob also shares great information about how endorsemen...
The History of Practice Pads with Beth Hamon
July 06, 2021 04:00 - 1 hourBeth is a passionate expert on all things to do with practice pads. She has an extensive collection of her own which she has used to get first hand knowledge, and is also a great researcher who has dug deep to find all the in-depth details that she shares in this episode. This is a fun episodes that is full of info on all the various practice pads that we all grew up with, and the pads of our ancestors. You can check out the drumforum.org thread that we discuss here: https://www.drumforum.org...