Working
538 episodes - English - Latest episode: 10 days ago - ★★★★ - 378 ratingsHosts Isaac Butler, Ronald Young Jr., and June Thomas interview creative people about how they write, compose, paint, and more.
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Working Overtime: Negotiating Freelance Rates
April 06, 2023 06:00 - 29 minutesFor this week’s episode of Working Overtime, hosts Karen Han and Isaac Butler explain how they navigate the often confusing world of freelance rates. They offer tips on how to negotiate, when to take less money than you’d like, and when to walk away. Do you have a question about creative work? Leave a message at (304) 933-9675 or email us at [email protected]. Podcast production by Kevin Bendis and Cameron Drews. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
A Bird-Watcher Welcomes More Into the Flock
April 02, 2023 07:00 - 46 minutesThis week, host Karen Han talks to artist and ornithologist Isaiah Scott, whose popular Instagram account features vibrant photos, illustrations, and information about birds. In the interview, Isaiah talks about his process for organizing bird-watching hikes in his community and his mission to make bird-watching more welcoming. He also discusses the growing community of Black bird enthusiasts and his effort to bring more style and fun to the birding hobby. After the interview, Karen and co-...
How Raffi Makes Kids Music That’s Actually Good
March 26, 2023 07:00 - 53 minutesThis week, producer Cameron Drews talks to the legendary children’s musician Raffi Cavoukian, who’s best known for songs like “Baby Beluga” and “Bananaphone.” In the interview, Raffi discusses his pivot to kids music in the mid-’70s and the creative choices that went into one of his most beloved albums, Singable Songs for the Very Young. He also talks about his decision not to market directly to kids, his climate activism, and a philosophy he developed called “Child Honoring.” After the int...
Working Overtime: When To Let Go of the Creative Dream
March 23, 2023 06:00 - 22 minutesFor this week’s episode of Working Overtime, hosts June Thomas and Isaac Butler help a listener who’s wondering whether a career in the arts is realistic. Being an illustrator has always been this listener’s dream, but breaking into the industry and finding financial success has been an uphill battle. Do you have a question about creative work? Leave a message at (304) 933-9675 or email us at [email protected]. Podcast production by Kevin Bendis and Cameron Drews. Learn more about your a...
A ‘70s Crime Classic Gets a Musical Redux
March 19, 2023 07:00 - 52 minutesThis week, host Isaac Butler talks to Suzan-Lori Parks, a Pulitzer Prize-winning playwright whose most recent project is a musical theater adaptation of the 1972 Jamaican crime film The Harder They Come. In the interview, Suzan-Lori shares her flexible approach to adaptation and, more specifically, how she was able to deepen the original story of The Harder They Come while honoring the original. She also talks about the unique challenges of adapting a movie into a stage musical. After the i...
A Sommelier Without the Smugness
March 12, 2023 07:00 - 51 minutesThis week, host Karen Han talks to sommelier Miguel de Leon, who currently works as the wine director for Pinch Chinese in New York City. In the interview, Miguel explains that his job is less about defining obscure tasting notes and more about curating experiences and telling stories. He also talks about the exclusionary nature of the wine world and his efforts to make that world more accessible to everyone. After the interview, Karen and co-host Isaac Butler discuss how to be more welcomi...
Working Overtime: Is it Really Possible to Build Up Your "Idea Muscle?
March 09, 2023 07:00 - 22 minutesFor this week’s episode of Working Overtime, hosts June Thomas and Isaac Butler mull over James Altucher’s habit of creating 10 new ideas every day. Altucher’s theory is that the simple act of generating a list can build a strong creative routine. The hosts put this theory to the test and while Isaac remained skeptical, June had a surprising result. Do you have a question about creative work? Leave a message at (304) 933-9675 or email us at [email protected]. Podcast production by Kevin ...
An Oscar-Winning Writer's Creative Flexibility
March 05, 2023 08:00 - 55 minutesThis week, host June Thomas talks to Sian Heder, who wrote and directed the Oscar-winning film CODA and now works on the Apple TV Plus series Little America, which tells stories that are based on real immigrant experiences. In the interview, Sian discusses the success of CODA and shares what it was like to win an Oscar. Then she digs into her work on Little America and discusses the challenges and joys of telling other people’s stories. In the exclusive Slate Plus segment, Sian talks about ...
The Two Brothers Who Changed Video Games Forever
February 26, 2023 08:00 - 51 minutesThis week, host Isaac Butler talks to Tarn and Zach Adams, two brothers who’ve been continually crafting and updating the video game Dwarf Fortress for two decades. In the interview, Tarn and Zach discuss the earliest versions of the game, which were available online for free in the early 2000’s and served as an important influence for games like The Sims and Minecraft. Tarn and Zach also discuss the intricate details of the game and the gigantic number of narrative possibilities that players...
Working Overtime: How to Take an Editor’s Feedback
February 23, 2023 07:00 - 28 minutesFor this week’s episode of Working Overtime, hosts Karen Han and Isaac Butler talk about how to properly apply feedback from an editor or another creative collaborator. They discuss when to compromise when to dig your heels in, and when to burn down a collaborative bridge. Do you need help with a creative problem? Leave a message at (304) 933-9675 or email us at [email protected]. Podcast production by Kevin Bendis and Cameron Drews. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/a...
A Hollywood Actor Learns to Write Novels
February 19, 2023 08:00 - 49 minutesThis week, host Karen Han talks to actor, director, and writer Tim Blake Nelson, who just came out with his first novel, City of Blows. In the interview, Tim explains why he decided to reference real life events–like the #MeToo movement and COVID–in a fictional story about Hollywood. He also talks about the challenges of writing fictional prose and offers some useful wisdom about writing in general. After the interview, Karen and co-host June Thomas discuss the best ways to juggle multiple ...
A New Way to Tell Trans Stories
February 12, 2023 08:00 - 44 minutesThis week, host June Thomas talks to Chase Joynt and Morgan M. Page, co-writers of the new documentary Framing Agnes, which Chase also directed and appears in. The film depicts, through reenactments, conversations with trans patients who were part of a UCLA gender study in the 1950’s. It also features interviews with trans actors who portray the patients and multiple conversations between Chase, Morgan, and others about how to tell trans stories farily. In their interview with June, Chase and...
Working Overtime: Using A Writing Grant Wisely
February 09, 2023 07:00 - 21 minutesFor this week’s episode of Working Overtime, hosts Karen Han and Isaac Butler respond to listener Emily’s question about how best to plan out a period of creative freedom she’s been given through a writing grant. It can be a challenge to find motivation while working on spec, or without concrete deadlines, but Isaac and Karen share ideas for psyching yourself into a creative routine. Do you feel unable to plan out your creative future? Leave a message at (304) 933-9675 or email us at working@...
The Bold Strategy That Drives One of 2023's Best Novels
February 05, 2023 08:00 - 51 minutesThis week, host Isaac Butler talks to V.V. Ganeshananthan, author of the book Brotherless Night, which takes place during the Sri Lankan Civil War and was recently featured on the cover of the New York Times Book Review. In the interview, Ganeshananthan discusses her experience in journalism school and explains how it laid the foundation for her fiction writing. Then she talks about the unique POV of Brotherless Night, the book’s multi-decade writing process, and the careful research that all...
How a Doctor Became a Chef (And Kept Being a Doctor)
January 29, 2023 08:00 - 41 minutesThis week, host Karen Han talks to Yoon Sung, an urgent care doctor in Los Angeles who decided to pivot to the culinary arts…while continuing to be a physician. In the interview, Yoon talks about what his two jobs have in common, how he balances both careers, and how he fell into his latest gig as the pastry chef at Hanchic. After the interview, Karen and co-host Isaac Butler discuss the role of “service” in creative work and the decision to do work that makes you happy. In the exclusive ...
Working Overtime: How To Inspire Yourself
January 26, 2023 07:00 - 25 minutesFor this week’s episode of Working Overtime, hosts Karen Han and June Thomas consider sculptor Claes Oldenburg’s ideas on reigniting the creative fire. From taking a walk to revisiting old notes, to perusing a friend's work, they’ve both found various ways to shake loose new ideas. Do you have a question about creative work, are you trying to clear away your own creative cobwebs? Call us and leave a message at (304) 933-9675 or email us at [email protected]. Podcast production by Kevin B...
Learning From the Letters of Two Great Artists
January 22, 2023 08:00 - 54 minutesThis week, host June Thomas talks to poet Chip Livingston, who recently compiled a collection of letters titled, Love, Loosha: The Letters of Lucia Berlin and Kenward Elmslie. It documents the friendship between the writer Lucia Berlin, who is now well-regarded for her short stories but was underappreciated during her lifetime, and the poet and librettist Kenward Elmslie. In the interview, Chip shares how he put the collection together and talks about his personal relationships with both Berl...
Recipe Design With Convenience in Mind
January 15, 2023 08:00 - 52 minutesThis week, host Isaac Butler talks to Ali Slagle, a recipe developer for the New York Times cooking section and author of the book I Dream of Dinner (so You Don't Have To). In the interview, Ali shares where her ideas for recipes come from and her trial-and-error process for getting them just right. She also talks about her commitment to convenience and explains what it was like to develop recipes for her book that require only a handful of ingredients and take 45 minutes or less to prepare. ...
Working Overtime: Be Kind to Your Creative Self
January 12, 2023 07:00 - 19 minutesFor this week’s episode of Working Overtime, hosts Karen Han and June Thomas strategize about how to avoid feeling guilty about insufficient productivity. Both have spent hours in front of a screen without getting words on paper, but the answer isn’t to punish yourself. Breaking down goals or taking a break will help you feel better . Do you have a question about creative work, or are you struggling to meet your own impossible goals? Call us and leave a message at (304) 933-9675 or email us ...
The Masters Behind the Puppets
January 08, 2023 07:00 - 54 minutesOn this week’s episode of Working, host Karen Han speaks with Marc Petrosino and Michael Latini, the founders of cutting-edge puppets and props studio Monkey Boys Productions. Marc and Michael have been crafting creatures and costumes for more than 16 years, and their work includes making dancing meatballs for Saturday Night Live and various iterations of Audrey 2 from Little Shop of Horrors. They recount the stresses of meeting deadlines, constructing intricate puppets, and the art of collab...
Our New Year's Resolutions for 2023
January 01, 2023 08:00 - 45 minutesThis week, all three hosts appear on the show to discuss their New Year's Resolutions for 2023. They also revisit their resolutions from last year and reveal how well they stuck to them. Send your questions about creativity and any other feedback to [email protected] or give us a call at (304) 933-9675. Podcast production by Cameron Drews. If you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members get an ad-free experience across the network and exclusive content...
Working Overtime: Learning From Failure
December 29, 2022 07:00 - 26 minutesFor this week’s episode of Working Overtime, hosts Isaac Butler and June Thomas explore some painful memories of failing. Isaac recounts the nightmare of directing a play where almost everything went wrong, and June shares the struggles of trying to sell a first book. Through the hardships they both developed thicker skin, but also new tools for developing their creative careers. Do you have a question about creative work, or a seemingly insurmountable hurdle to jump? Call us and leave a mes...
Revisiting Two Great Books From 2022
December 25, 2022 08:00 - 1 hourThis week, we revisit two of our favorite interviews from 2022. In the first one, Isaac Butler discusses his book The Method: How the 20th Century Learned to Act. After that, Karen Han reveals the process behind her book Bong Joon Ho: Dissident Cinema. Send your questions about creativity and any other feedback to [email protected] or give us a call at (304) 933-9675. Podcast production by Cameron Drews. If you enjoy this show, please consider signing up for Slate Plus. Slate Plus members ...
Turning a Novel into a TV Show
December 18, 2022 08:00 - 1 hourThis week, host June Thomas talks to author and repeat Working guest Taffy Brodesser-Akner, who recently adapted her novel Fleishman is in Trouble into a limited series for Hulu. In the interview, Taffy describes the biggest challenges she faced as both a showrunner and writer. She also explains what it was like to take a very personal project and turn it into a collaborative one, with creative input from actors, directors, and tons of other creative people. After the interview, June and co...
Working Overtime: Write a Bad Novel!
December 15, 2022 08:00 - 26 minutesFor this week’s episode of Working Overtime, host June Thomas and co-host Isaac Butler speak to Slate contributor and author of Praying with Jane Eyre, Vanessa Zoltan, about jumping into the month-long writing exercise called NaNoWriMo. NaNoWriMo or National Novel Writing Month, is when a writer commits to writing a 50,000 word novel in the span of the month of November. As Vanessa explains, this can be an exercise in creative freedom that does away with the typical structure and hang-ups tha...
The Myth of Journalistic Objectivity
December 11, 2022 08:00 - 1 hourThis week, Isaac talks to journalist Steven Thrasher, author of The Viral Underclass: The Human Toll When Inequality and Disease Collide. In the interview, Steven discusses the origins of the book, his decision to include himself in the narrative, and his distaste for the idea of journalistic objectivity. He also shares some tips about outlining and interviewing. After the interview, Isaac and co-host June Thomas talk about how to cite sources without disrupting the flow of nonfiction writin...
Understanding Bong Joon Ho’s Brilliance
December 04, 2022 08:00 - 51 minutesThis week, host Karen Han takes a turn in the guest chair and talks to host Isaac Butler about her new book Bong Joon Ho: Dissident Cinema, which is a critical analysis of the work of Korean director Bong Joon Ho. In the interview, Karen tells the story of how she began writing about culture in the first place and then how she was selected to write a book about one of the world’s greatest directors. She also talks about the structure of the book, the artwork that accompanies it, and how she m...
Working Overtime: Balancing Parenthood With Creative Work
December 01, 2022 08:00 - 24 minutesFor this week’s episode of Working Overtime, host Karen Han poses a listener’s question to co-host Isaac Butler about how to be a parent and how to remain a creative person. They ponder the challenges of parenthood, but also the joy and inspiration it can bring. They also share advice for staying creative and finding time for your work. Do you have a question about creative work? Call us and leave a message at (304) 933-9675 or email us at [email protected]. Podcast production by Kevin B...
Creating a Piece of Immersive Theater From Scratch
November 27, 2022 10:00 - 57 minutesThis week, guest host Zak Rosen from The Best Advice Show and Slate’s Mom and Dad Are Fighting podcast talks to Liza Bielby and Richard Newman of the Detroit-based theater company The Hinterlands. They talk about how The Hinterlands’ latest production, Will You Miss Me? came into being, their influences, their rehearsal process, and the importance of deadlines. After the interview, Zak and co-host June Thomas chat about collaboration, how to kill your darlings, and how Zak implements Julia Ca...
CG Animation With Stop Motion Charm
November 20, 2022 08:00 - 48 minutesThis week, host Karen Han talks to Daisuke “Dice” Tsutsumi, Robert Kondo, and Sara Sampson, the brilliant minds behind the new Netflix animated series Oni: Thunder God’s Tale. In the interview, Dice and Robert discuss their early careers at Pixar and their decision to start their own animation studio, Tonko House. Then, Dice, Robert, and Sara dig into the many creative decisions that went into the look, feel, and Japanese folklore-inspired story of Oni. After the interview, Karen and co-ho...
Working Overtime: Returning to Work After an Illness
November 17, 2022 07:00 - 15 minutesFor this week’s episode of Working Overtime, host Isaac Butler and co-host Karen Han help a listener who’s trying to reignite her creative spark after a depleting bout of Covid. They also share tips for dealing with any period when motivation is difficult to come by. Do you have a question about creative work? Call us and leave a message at (304) 933-9675 or email us at [email protected]. Podcast production by Kevin Bendis and Cameron Drews. Hosts: Isaac Butler and Karen Han Learn more...
How a Romance Novelist Churns Out Seductive Stories
November 13, 2022 08:00 - 49 minutesThis week, host June Thomas talks to the prolific lesbian romance author Harper Bliss, who published nearly 40 novels in the past 10 years. In the interview, Harper describes her writing routine and explains how she’s been able to write and publish so many books. She also discusses the common themes in her books and why she chooses so many different international settings. After the interview, June and co-host Karen Han talk about Harper’s decision to self-publish and her ability to delegate...
A Poet Demystifies Her Process
November 06, 2022 08:00 - 50 minutesThis week, host Isaac Butler talks to poet J. Hope Stein, whose latest collection Little Astronaut traces Stein’s journey from pregnancy to motherhood. In the interview, Stein discusses all the creative components that go into her work, from structural elements like line-breaks and word-choice to the decision to share deeply personal details in her poetry. After the interview, Isaac and co-host Karen Han discuss the benefits of reading their work out loud. They also talk about the important ...
Working Overtime: Giving Constructive Feedback
November 03, 2022 06:00 - 28 minutesFor this week’s episode of Working Overtime, host June Thomas and co-host Karen Han mull over the pros and cons of creative critique. An expert's input could ignite a new spark, but could too many cooks cause a fire? Do you have a question about creative work? Call us and leave a message at (304) 933-9675 or email us at [email protected]. Podcast production by Kevin Bendis and Cameron Drews. Hosts: June Thomas and Karen Han Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
How a Songwriter Gets in the Zone
October 30, 2022 07:00 - 50 minutesThis week, host Karen Han talks to musician Cameron Lew, who writes music under the name Ginger Root. In the interview, Cameron breaks down his songwriting process and discusses the elusiveness of inspiration and creative flow. He also talks about his EP Nisemono, which contains a completely fictional premise about a Japanese pop idol. After the interview, Karen and co-host Isaac Butler discuss how hard it is to schedule creative work. They also talk about the different ways that they measur...
How an Abbott Elementary Episode is Born
October 23, 2022 07:00 - 55 minutesThis week, host June Thomas talks to Brittani Nichols, a writer and producer for ABC’s hit sitcom Abbott Elementary. In the interview, Brittani describes the show’s very collaborative writing process and explains what it means to be both a writer and producer. She also discusses how the show’s writers touch on personal experience to add texture to the world they’re creating. After the interview, June and co-host Karen Han talk about balancing behind-the-scenes and more visible work. They a...
Working Overtime: Burnt Out on Goal-Focused Work
October 20, 2022 06:00 - 24 minutesOn this edition of Working Overtime, hosts Karen Han and June Thomas help a listener named Alisa who wants to know if it’s possible to move beyond goal-focused work. Alisa works in academia, where the goals and checkpoints are clear, but she feels like she’s gone as far as she can go. Karen and June share their experiences with goal-focused work and try to think of alternative methods for motivation. Do you have a question about creative work? Call us and leave a message at 304-933-9675, o...
Writer-Director Patrick Marber on Working With His Artistic Heroes
October 16, 2022 06:00 - 53 minutesThis week, host Isaac Butler talks with Patrick Marber about his multi-hyphenate career. Marber started as a stand-up comedian; has written several plays including Dealer’s Choice, Closer, and Howard Katz; and is a celebrated theater director. They discuss how being a writer affects Marber’s directing; his experience working with older men such as Harold Pinter, Mike Nichols, and Tom Stoppard; and his direction of Stoppard’s new play Leopoldstadt, which is currently on Broadway. After the in...
Movie Poster Design, With Artist Drusilla Adeline
October 09, 2022 07:00 - 47 minutesThis week, host Karen Han talks to artist Drusilla Adeline, who works primarily as a movie poster and cover designer. Her work includes the poster for Armageddon Time, as well as the one for Bodies, Bodies, Bodies. She also designed the cover and other materials for the Criterion Collection’s edition of David Lynch’s The Elephant Man. In the interview, Drusilla breaks down her creative process and demystifies the art of movie poster and cover design. After the interview, Karen and co-host Ju...
Working Overtime: Pitching Fiction
October 06, 2022 06:00 - 30 minutesOn this edition of Working Overtime, hosts Isaac Butler and June Thomas reply to a listener who wants some advice on pitching fiction to literary magazines. For help, Isaac and June turn to J. Robert Lennon, a novelist and short story writer who is also the editor of EPOCH, the literary magazine associated with Cornell University. In the interview, Lennon describes the pitching process for EPOCH and explains what he and his colleagues are looking for when they review submissions. He also offe...
Author Annie Duke Explains How to Get Better at Quitting
October 02, 2022 07:00 - 56 minutesThis week, host June Thomas talks to Annie Duke, an author and former professional poker player whose latest book is Quit: The Power of Knowing When to Walk Away. In the interview, Annie explains why she’s trying to rehabilitate the word “quit.” She also uses examples to illustrate why quitting is sometimes the best option and why people often stick to projects and jobs that aren’t working. After the interview, June and co-host Isaac Butler discuss their own experiences with quitting and say...
Making Lincoln Center More Welcoming
September 25, 2022 07:00 - 54 minutesThis week, host Isaac Butler talks to Shanta Thake, chief artistic officer of New York City’s Lincoln Center for the Performing Arts. In the interview, Shanta describes the different branches of Lincoln Center and discusses the institution’s new mission to make all of those branches more welcoming and accessible to more people. She also describes her role as a curator and explains how she and her team are always on the lookout for new talent. After the interview, Isaac and co-host Karen Han ...
Working Overtime: Getting Rid of the Art You Create
September 22, 2022 06:00 - 27 minutesOn this edition of Working Overtime, hosts June Thomas and Isaac Butler help a lister whose collection of homemade fused glass is getting out of control. The listener, named Todd, has already tried selling his art and giving to away to friend , but his collection keeps growing. June and Isaac offer creative solutions that will allow Todd to keep creating without being overwhelmed by clutter. Do you have a question about creative work? Call uss and lease a message at 304-933-9675, or email us...
An Editor for HBO's The Rehearsal Explains How the Show is Made
September 18, 2022 07:00 - 49 minutesThis week, host Karen Han talks to TV and film editor Stacy Moon, whose recent projects include Nathan Fielder’s HBO show The Rehearsal, Tim Robinson’s sketch comedy show I Think You Should Leave, and the new feature film Honk for Jesus. Save Your Soul. In the interview, Stacy breaks down the process for editing an episode of The Rehearsal, which involves piecing together a narrative from hours of unscripted conversations. She also talks about I Think You Should Leave and explains how she use...
Reporter Casey Parks on the Book She Needed to Write
September 11, 2022 07:00 - 50 minutesThis week, host June Thomas talks to reporter Casey Parks, whose new memoir Diary of a Misfit was more than a decade in the making. In the interview, Casey explains how the book started as a documentary project that focused on a person from her hometown. Then she discusses the gradual evolution of the project and her decision to make it more personal. After the interview, June and co-host Karen Han talk about Casey’s “need” to write the book and whether they’ve ever felt that same pull. In ...
Working Overtime: Helping a Creative Married Couple
September 08, 2022 07:00 - 23 minutesOn this edition of Working Overtime, hosts Karen Han and Isaac Butler help a married couple who both do creative work but don’t always have the same creative rhythms. Karen and Isaac offer tips on how to navigate situations where one person is in a creative rut and the other is cranking out gold. They also offer general tips about communication and the creative work that goes into being a couple. Do you have a question about creative work? Call us and leave a message at 304-933-9675, or emai...
Fight Choreographers on the Artistry Behind Movie Martial Arts
September 04, 2022 07:00 - 52 minutesThis week, host Isaac Butler talks to Andy Le, Brian Le, and Daniel Mah, fight choreographers for the action comedy film Everything Everywhere All at Once. In the interview, Andy, Brian, and Daniel discuss the origins of their group Martial Club and explain how they learned to recreate fight sequences by watching lots and lots of martial arts movies. Then they talk about their work on Everything Everywhere All at Once and share what they’ve learned about working with big-time action stars lik...
How Perfumers Can Tell Stories Through Scents
August 28, 2022 07:00 - 51 minutesThis week, host Karen Han talks to David Seth Moltz and Kavi Moltz, founders of the perfume company D.S. & Durga. In the interview, David and Kavi explain how their interest in perfume started as a hobby and blossomed into a business. They also discuss the trial and error of creating great scents and argue that perfumery should be considered an art form on the level of writing or music composition. After the interview, Karen and co-host Isaac Butler talk about telling stories through scents ...
Working Overtime: Recharging In-Between Projects
August 25, 2022 07:00 - 21 minutesOn this edition of Working Overtime, hosts Isaac Butler and Karen Han discuss the many complicated emotions that can sometimes creep up after a big project comes to an end. They also share tips for managing those emotions and finding ways to recharge before the next project starts. Do you have a question about creative work? Call us and leave a message at 304-933-9675, or email us at [email protected]. Podcast production by Kevin Bendis and Cameron Drews. Link to Atlassian Work Check Learn...
The Artist Behind Liberty Puzzles’ Whimsical Wooden Designs
August 21, 2022 07:00 - 49 minutesThis week, host Karen Han talks to Lynon Aksamit, a puzzle designer for the Colorado-based company Liberty Puzzles. In the interview, Lynon explains how he and his colleagues select artwork to turn into puzzles. Then he breaks down his process for designing puzzle pieces (including “whimsy pieces”) and describes how he plays with the themes of the original artwork to create engaging puzzles for customers. After the interview, Karen and co-host June Thomas discuss their own experiences with p...