Warden's Watch
202 episodes - English - Latest episode: 5 days ago - ★★★★★ - 365 ratingsThis podcast brings you stories from Game Wardens across the world. Listen to their favorite cases, worst cases, what led them to their career, and what makes their job unique. Hosted by retired game wardens Wayne Saunders and John Nores.
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TGL023 Jamie McCallum - Force for Nature
November 25, 2021 17:00 - 1 hourJamie McCallum Ph.D. brings a unique set of experience to the enormous challenges of environmental protection. Combining his doctorate in Biological Sciences and decade in conservation with his early career in high-end corporate sponsorship; Jamie founded Force For Nature. Backed by leading conservation groups, global media partners and the world’s biggest brands, Jamie focused on a human based solution to many of the world’s environmental problems - wildlife Rangers. Supporting and guiding ...
072 Benny Richards - Texas
November 18, 2021 17:00 - 1 hourBenny Richards is a former Game Warden for Hunt County, Texas. Richards worked for over 25 years for the Texas Department of Parks and Wildlife, and is well known for his appearances on “Lone Star Law”. During his time as a warden, he earned accomplishments such as the Texas Parks and Wildlife Officer of the Year (2015) and the Shikar-Safari International Wildlife Officer of the year award. In this episode, Wayne interviews Benny on his role as a Texas warden and the stories of “Lone Star Law...
071 Jeff Baile - Illinois Part II
November 04, 2021 16:00 - 52 minutesJeff Baile is a retired conservation police officer and instructor in Illinois. He started out as a patrol officer in 1976, and moved to become a conservation police officer in 1979. Additionally, Jeff has worked as an instructor in his self-developed interview and interrogation course across the country. Jeff is a Certified Forensic Interviewer, and a member of the International Association of Interviewers. It is estimated he extratected over 7000 confessions over the course of his career. ...
070B Jeff Baile - The Wave - Bonus
October 28, 2021 16:00 - 11 minutesA Bonus Episode to Episode 070... Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
070 Jeff Baile - Illinois Part One
October 21, 2021 16:00 - 59 minutesJeff Baile is a retired conservation police officer and instructor in Illinois. He started out as a patrol officer in 1976, and moved to become a conservation police officer in 1979. Additionally, Jeff has worked as an instructor in his self-developed interview and interrogation course across the country. Jeff is a Certified Forensic Interviewer, and a member of the International Association of Interviewers. It is estimated he extratected over 7000 confessions over the course of his career. I...
TGL022 Bud Carr
October 14, 2021 16:00 - 1 hourBud Carr is a search and rescue expert in the upper northwest of the United States. Carlton “Bud” Carr Jr. was born in 1978 in California’s San Bernardino Valley. He moved to Colorado as a child and now lives in northwest Washington in a small, rented home on the Skagit River with his wife and three children. He’s a journeyman carpenter, although he’s worked a grab bag of blue-collar jobs, but also has an education in wilderness survival. Carr played and explored in the mountains growing up, ...
TGL021 Bud Carr
October 14, 2021 16:00 - 1 hourBud Carr is a search and rescue expert in the upper northwest of the United States. Carlton “Bud” Carr Jr. was born in 1978 in California’s San Bernardino Valley. He moved to Colorado as a child and now lives in northwest Washington in a small, rented home on the Skagit River with his wife and three children. He’s a journeyman carpenter, although he’s worked a grab bag of blue-collar jobs, but also has an education in wilderness survival. Carr played and explored in the mountains growing up, ...
069 Jeffrey Milner - Indiana
September 30, 2021 16:00 - 1 hourJeffrey Milner is a conservation warden and K9 unit coordinator working for the Indiana Department of Natural Resources. He has been working for over 27 years, 23 of those as a K9 handler. Throughout his time as a K9 officer and coordinator, Jeffrey has trained a multitude of dogs and has also had many of his own. He also helped found the Conservation Canine Officers Association. In this episode, Jeffrey tells some of his many stories that he has collected over the years. Our Sponsors: Thi...
TGL021 Alex Baer
September 23, 2021 16:00 - 1 hourAlex Baer has a passion for the outdoors, wildlife, and his lifelong search for new ways to accomplish meaningful work has led him to a new position as COO with IHEA-USA. Alex is directly contributing to the growth and development of hunter education while continuing to further R3 initiatives for the industry. Before joining the IHEA-USA, Alex consulted on projects for private industry as well as the Council to Advance Hunting and the Shooting Sports as well as the National Wildlife Turkey Fe...
068 The Colebrook Murders Part IV - Featuring Counselor Paula Booth
September 16, 2021 16:00 - 1 hourCounselor Paula Booth has been working with law enforcement officers and other clients for over 35 years with the state of New Hampshire. Her unique knowledge of critical incidents and trauma response has made her a valuable asset to many agencies. She is also the director for the New Hampshire Employee Assistant Program. Paula has a masters degree in clinical social work from Boston University, is a member of the National Academy of Certified Social Workers, and is nationally certified as an...
067 The Colebrook Murders Part III - Featuring Kevin Jordan
September 02, 2021 16:00 - 1 hourColonel Kevin Jordan has worked for the New Hampshire Department of Fish and Game for over 20 years. After the Colebrook Murders, he became a critical incident specialist. In this episode, Wayne discusses the Colebrook Murders with Colonel Jordan and how each of them experienced the situation. Our Sponsors: Thin Green Line Podcast Sovereign Sportsman Solutions “A Cowboy in the Woods” Book Hunt of a Lifetime Maine's Operation Game Thief Wildlife Heritage Foundation of NH International Wild...
066 The Colebrook Murders Part II - My Badge Saved My Life
August 19, 2021 16:00 - 1 hourIn this episode our two hosts become an interviewer and an interviewee. In 1997, a rogue gunman began a violent rampage in the town of Colebrook. One of the responding officers, Warden Wayne Saunders of New Hampshire was injured in an attempt to apprehend the subject. The badge he wore on that day deflected the bullet shot by the suspect and saved his life. In this episode Wayne tells his personal account of that day and how it affected his life. Our Sponsors: Thin Green Line Podcast Sovere...
TGL020 Kip Adams
August 12, 2021 16:00 - 1 hourAs deer season opens across the country for 2021, we open up a conservation conversation with Kip Adams, the director of the Nation Deer Association. Kip is a certified wildlife biologist and QDMA's Director of Conservation. He has a bachelor's degree in wildlife and fisheries science from Penn State University and a master's in wildlife from the University of New Hampshire. He's also a certified taxidermist. Before joining QDMA, Kip was the deer and bear biologist for the New Hampshire Fish ...
065 The Colebrook Murders Part I - Ft. Richard Adams Carey
August 05, 2021 16:00 - 1 hourRichard Adams Carey is the author of the book “In The Evil Day” in which he discusses the events of the violent 1997 shooting in Colebrook, New Hampshire in which Wayne Saunders was shot. Richard grew up in Connecticut and attended Harvard. He moved around the country while writing various books that are acclaimed by The New York Times, Alaska Magazine, and more. In this interview, Adams Carey explains his background, research for the book, the community around Colebrook, and much more. Our ...
064 Lonnie Sushil - Florida
July 22, 2021 16:00 - 1 hourLonnie Sushil is a game warden with the Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission (SA), and is the Commander of the SA Special Operations Group (SOG). Florida’s SOG group was created after 9/11 and focuses on homeland security as well as public service. Lonnie commands 14 operators in the alpha south region of the state. Our Sponsors: Thin Green Line Podcast Sovereign Sportsman Solutions “A Cowboy in the Woods” Book Hunt of a Lifetime Maine's Operation Game Thief Wildlife Heritage ...
TGL019 Charlie Pitt - Rural Badge
July 15, 2021 16:00 - 1 hourLocated in the rural mountains of the western United States, Charlie Pitt has been part of the blue family for more than 30 years. Charlie's training and background are in writing, marketing, recruiting and teaching. Charlie is a self proclaimed newshound, data junkie, word nerd. I use those things to write about rural law enforcement, the ones who love them, past issues and current events. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
063 Todd Vandivert - Washington Part II
July 08, 2021 16:00 - 1 hourTodd Vandivert was a game warden for 34 years with the Washington Department of Natural Resources, and now writes books about his experiences. He worked both as a uniformed officer and also as an undercover officer, making multiple cases in each position. Todd’s work as an author is well-known, especially his book Operation Cody in which he breaks down his role in the operation. In this episode, Todd discusses his upbringing, work as a warden, and life as an author. Our Sponsors: Thin Green...
062 Todd Vandivert - Washington Part I
June 24, 2021 16:00 - 1 hourTodd Vandivert was a game warden for 34 years with the Washington Department of Natural Resources, and now writes books about his experiences. He worked both as a uniformed officer and an undercover officer, making multiple cases in each position. Todd’s work as an author is well-known, especially his book Operation Cody in which he breaks down his role in the operation. In this episode, Todd discusses his upbringing, work as a warden, and life as an author. Our Sponsors: Thin Green Line P...
TGL018 Jamie Lee Thurston
June 17, 2021 16:00 - 1 hourMusic is not a hobby for Jamie Lee Thurston. It’s the only thing. The act of performing music is how he enters and relates to the world. And when you watch him live, it’s as if you’re witnessing a red giant of a star form before you, drawing in all of the stardust and matter of the immediate universe to power its very being…even if only for a fraction of time. It stands to reason that all music is good music as long as it finds its way to the one person who enjoys it. To Get the Video Versio...
061 Chris Conroy, Scotland
June 03, 2021 20:32 - 1 hourChris Conroy is the director of the Ness District Salmon Fishery Board and a water bailiff. He graduated from Liverpool John Moores University with a degree in Applied Biology, and has over 25 years of experience working as an aquatic resource manager. Through his duties, he has developed an in-depth knowledge of freshwater, marine and estuarine resource management and the associated stresses, utilisation, and conservation demand. In this episode, we dive in to the lore around Loch Ness, the ...
TGL017 Mark Oliva
May 27, 2021 16:00 - 59 minutesMark Oliva is director of public affairs for the National Shooting Sports Foundation, the trade association for the firearms and ammunition industries. He is a retired Marine Master Gunnery Sergeant with 25 years of service, including tours in Iraq, Afghanistan, Haiti, Albania, and Zaire. To Get the Video Version of this Podcast Please Visit Us Here: https://www.patreon.com/wwtglpodcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
060 For the Fallen - Justin Hurst, Texas EOW: March 17, 2007
May 13, 2021 16:00 - 1 hourJustin Hurst was a game warden who worked for the Texas Parks and Wildlife Department. A graduate of Texas A&M, he had a passion for the outdoors and worked to protect it. Even before he was a warden, he worked as a waterfowl guide and educated people on hunting. After 5 years of service as a warden, he was involved in an incident where a man was suspected of hunting illegally. While backing up another game warden on a pursuit, the suspect’s vehicle was spiked. As he got out, the suspect fire...
059 For The Fallen - Arnold Magoon
May 10, 2021 16:00 - 53 minutesArnold Magoon was a game warden with the Vermont Fish and Wildlife Department for 18 years. He worked his way up from a field warden to a supervisor, and was known to be fair but firm in how he enforced laws. As a warden, Arnold was well liked within the community he patrolled and was a role model for those around him. In 1978, a call about a late night shot came in while he was at home. He responded, and a suspected deer poacher assaulted him with his own flashlight, bludgeoning him to death...
TGL016 Andriana Fragola
May 07, 2021 16:00 - 1 hourAndriana Fragola, originally from Miami and has been obsessed with the ocean since childhood. Before working at One Ocean Diving, Andriana worked with the Shark Research and Conservation lab at the University of Miami where she completed her graduate degree. Her focus of study was shark immunology, where Andriana examined the bacteria that colonizes on the skin of blacktip and bull sharks. She says that she's always learning and experiencing new things when you work with sharks! Andriana is a...
058 The Case of Kate Matrosova Part V - The Conclusion
April 22, 2021 16:00 - 1 hourKate Matrosova was a highly experienced hiker from Southern Siberia, Russia. She came to America on a student visa and successfully graduated with a masters degree in Financial Engineering. Though she worked for many firms on Wall Street, she also had a passion for the outdoors. She had a passion for climbing big mountains such as Kilimanjaro and McKinley, and was an active marathon runner. At 32 years old, she hiked the Presidential Mountain Range of the White Mountains in New Hampshire carr...
TGL015 Cody Stamann - Part II
April 15, 2021 16:00 - 55 minutesCody Stamann is a mixed martial artist and UFC champion in the featherweight division. Stamann has been a professional fighter since 2010. He has a love for fighting and the outdoors. Cody is also a staunch 2nd amendment advocate, a passionate conservationist, and dives head first into the shooting sports when he's not training for the cage. This is Part Two of our conversation with Cody. To Get the Video Version of this Podcast Please Visit Us Here: https://www.patreon.com/wwtglpodcasts Lear...
057 The Case of Kate Matrosova Part IV Featuring Guest Interviewer Ty Gagne
April 08, 2021 16:30 - 1 hourKate Matrosova was a highly experienced hiker from Southern Siberia, Russia. She came to America on a student visa and successfully graduated with a masters degree in Financial Engineering. Though she worked for many firms on Wall Street, she also had a passion for the outdoors. She had a passion for climbing big mountains such as Kilimanjaro and McKinley, and was an active marathon runner. At 32 years old, she hiked the Presidential Mountain Range of the White Mountains in New Hampshire carr...
TGL014 Cody Stamann - Part I
April 01, 2021 16:00 - 52 minutesCody Stamann is a mixed martial artist and UFC champion in the featherweight division. Stamann has been a professional fighter since 2010. He has a love for fighting and the outdoors. Cody is also a staunch 2nd amendment advocate, a passionate conservationist, and dives head first into the shooting sports when he's not training for the cage. To Get the Video Version of this Podcast Please Visit Us Here: https://www.patreon.com/wwtglpodcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm...
056 The Case of Kate Matrosova Part III Featuring Mark Ober, Bob Mancini, and Matt Holmes
March 25, 2021 16:30 - 1 hourAt 32 years old, Kate Matrosova hiked the Presidential Mountain Range of the White Mountains in New Hampshire carrying light gear for a day hike. Unfortunately, she never made it out alive. Rescue teams attempted to reach her after she activated her communications device, but to no avail. Kate Matrosova was discovered a day later. Lieutenant Mark Ober is the Lieutenant for District 1 with the New Hampshire Fish and Game. He frequently responds to hikers in distress and develops search and re...
TGL013 Cindy Stites
March 18, 2021 16:00 - 1 hourCindy Stites is the Director of Education for the Hunt to Eat project, a hunting apparel and education company built on community, real food, and conservation. She is a hunter, angler, and budding conservationist. She cares deeply for the animals she pursues and works hard to ensure that the generations to come will have the same opportunities that Cindy has now. To Get the Video Version of this Podcast Please Visit Us Here: https://www.patreon.com/wwtglpodcasts Learn more about your ad choic...
055 The Case of Kate Matrosova Part II featuring Lt. Mark Ober and CO Glen Lucas
March 11, 2021 17:00 - 51 minutesLieutenant Mark Ober is the Lieutenant for District 1 with the New Hampshire Fish and Game. He frequently responds to hikers in distress and develops search and rescue missions to find them. He is also a member of the New Hampshire Fish and Game Dive Team. In this episode, he discusses the mission to find Kate, the difficulties surrounding it, and his role as a supervisor. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
TGL012 Barry Kerch - Part II
March 04, 2021 17:00 - 56 minutesHere's Part II with Barry Kerch! Barry may have made a living as the drummer for the band Shinedown, but outside of the world of rock and roll, Barry is a dedicated conservationist and hunter. Growing up in the south he developed a deep love of the outdoors. When Barry isn't smashing beats on a drum kit, you'll deep in the woods exchanging the drumsticks for bow and arrow. To Get the Video Version of this Podcast Please Visit Us Here: https://www.patreon.com/wwtglpodcasts Learn more about you...
054 The Case of Kate Matrosova featuring Ty Gagne
February 25, 2021 17:30 - 1 hour - 49.6 MBKate Matrosova was a highly experienced hiker from Southern Siberia, Russia. She came to America on a student visa and successfully graduated with a masters degree in Financial Engineering. Though she worked for many firms on Wall Street, she also had a passion for the outdoors. She had a passion for climbing big mountains such as Kilimanjaro and McKinley, and was an active marathon runner. At 32 years old, she hiked the Presidential Mountain Range of the White Mountains in New Hampshire car...
054 The Case of Kate Matrosova Part I featuring Ty Gagne
February 25, 2021 17:30 - 1 hourKate Matrosova was a highly experienced hiker from Southern Siberia, Russia. Though she worked for many firms on Wall Street, she also had a passion for the outdoors. She had a passion for climbing big mountains such as Kilimanjaro and McKinley, and was an active marathon runner. At 32 years old, she hiked the Presidential Mountain Range of the White Mountains in New Hampshire carrying light gear for a day hike. Unfortunately, she never made it out alive. Learn more about your ad choices. Vis...
TGL011 Barry Kerch - Part I
February 18, 2021 17:00 - 54 minutesBarry Kerch may have made a living as the drummer for the band Shinedown, but outside of the world of rock and roll, Barry is a dedicated conservationist and hunter. Growing up in the south he developed a deep love of the outdoors. When Barry isn't smashing beats on a drum kit, you'll deep in the woods exchanging the drumsticks for bow and arrow. To Get the Video Version of this Podcast Please Visit Us Here: https://www.patreon.com/wwtglpodcasts Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megapho...
053 Carlos Gomez - Oklahoma Department of Wildlife - Part II
February 11, 2021 17:30 - 1 hourCarlos Gomez, a retired Game Warden for the Oklahoma Department of Wildlife, sits down with Wayne in the continuation of his interview. Though now retired after a 41 year career, Carlos is still an active outdoorsman and a member of the National Wild Turkey Federation. In this episode, they discuss cases Carlos has been involved with and his interactions with other wardens. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
052 Carlos Gomez - Oklahoma Department of Wildlife - Part I
January 28, 2021 17:00 - 1 hourCarlos Gomez spent 41 years as a game warden in the Oklahoma Department of Wildlife Conservation - 34 years serving Tulsa County and 7 years serving in Oklahoma County. He is the only game warden in Oklahoma's history to spend his entire career in urban areas. Despite this, his time was filled with hunting and fishing interactions, as well as education of the public. In his retirement, he actively enjoys the outdoors and regularly attends meetings with conservation clubs. Learn more about you...
052 Carlos Gomez - Oklahoma Department of Wildlife
January 28, 2021 17:00 - 1 hour - 48.1 MBCarlos Gomez spent 41 years as a game warden in the Oklahoma Department of Wildlife Conservation - 34 years serving Tulsa County and 7 years serving in Oklahoma County. He is the only game warden in Oklahoma's history to spend his entire career in urban areas. Despite this, his time was filled with hunting and fishing interactions, as well as education of the public. In his retirement, he actively enjoys the outdoors and regularly attends meetings with conservation clubs. Our Sponsors: Th...
TGL010 Christina Bobb
January 19, 2021 17:00 - 1 hourChristina Bobb is a news reporter for One America News focused on news from Washington DC and the current Administration. Christina was the Executive Secretary for Homeland Security, served as a Judge Advocate in the United States Marine Corps, and was a civil litigation attorney in the San Diego area. In addition, Ms Bobb holds a B.A. from Arizona State University, an M.B.A. from San Diego State University, a J.D. from California Western School of Law, and an L.L.M. in National Security Law ...
051 Brian Albert - Maryland DNR
January 07, 2021 17:30 - 1 hourAfter 28 years, Capt. Brian Albert has retired, but that doesn’t mean he’s done working. Brian spent time in the Air Force and then became a Ranger with Maryland's Eastern Shore. He also worked as a Public Information Officer and was in charge of a criminal investigations division during his career. Despite retirement, Brian is heavily involved with Maryland's International Wildlife Crimestoppers and other conservation organizations. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adch...
050 Sean Cronsberry - Ontario Warden
December 24, 2020 17:30 - 1 hourWayne and John discuss a warden life across the border in Canada with special guest Sean Cronsberry. Sean is a dog handler and warden with the Ontario Ministry of Natural Resources and Forestry. He's handled several interesting cases with his K-9 companions Timber and Blaze. Sean covers a large area and has a unique area that involves the commercial fishing industry out of the great lakes. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
049 John Anderson - Nevada Department of Wildlife
December 10, 2020 17:30 - 1 hourJohn Anderson is a Game Warden with the Nevada Department of Wildlife. John patrols hundreds of acres in some of Nevada's best elk habitat and has seen his fair share of incredible cases over the years. John shares with us 3 of his best poacher cases along with some stories about how he became a game warden under what might be considered an unusual turn of events. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
TGL009 Bill Bodner
November 25, 2020 17:00 - 1 hourWilliam “Bill” Bodner, a 28 year veteran of the Drug Enforcement Administration, assumed the role of Special Agent in Charge of the Drug Enforcement Administration Los Angeles Field Division in June, 2019. As the Special Agent in Charge, Mr. Bodner is responsible for overseeing the daily operations of 14 offices located in Nevada, Hawaii, Guam, Saipan, and the seven Southern California counties which make up the greater Los Angeles area. Mr. Bodner previously served as an Associate Special Ag...
048 Scott Fischer - Arizona Game and Fish
November 19, 2020 17:00 - 1 hourScott Fischer is an Officer with Arizona Game and Fish and also the director of the department's Operation Game Thief program. Scott and Wayne discuss the qualification for becoming an Arizona warden, Arizona's outdoor opportunities for big game outdoors men and women, and a few operations that Scott has been on trying to stop illegal drug trafficking. They also discuss how important the community is to assisting with illegal poaching through Operation Game Thief. Learn more about your ad ...
047 Chris Wright - Idaho Fish and Game
November 05, 2020 17:30 - 1 hourChris Wright is the Assistant Chief with Idaho Fish and Game. Chris began his career in Montana and has had a colorful career involving many cases in Idaho. Chris, Wayne, and John discuss many of the details of Chris's biggest investigations including a case that involved 86 poached deer and a prosecution attempt that ended in political influences. We also discuss CWD, Operation Game Thief, citizen involvement to catch poachers, and creating gene diversity in wildlife populations when neces...
TGL008 Lt. Col. Oliver North
October 15, 2020 16:00 - 1 hourOliver North is a combat decorated U.S. Marine, #1 best-selling author, founder of a small business and holder of three U.S. patents. For seventeen years he was a syndicated columnist and host of “War Stories” on FOX News Channel. In May 2018, he retired from FOX News to serve as the 66th president of the National Rifle Association of America. North was born in San Antonio, Texas in 1943, graduated from the U.S. Naval Academy in 1968 and served twenty-two years as a U.S. Marine. His awards fo...
046 Matt Holmes Part II - The OHRV Crash
October 08, 2020 16:30 - 49 minutesMatt Holmes, a NH Fish and Game Conservation Officer and regular on North Woods Law, jumps in the pick up truck with Wayne to talk more about Matt's career as a Game Warden. They discuss in detail Matt's OHRV crash that occurred in June 2020 while on radar patrol. Special narration and commentary from Bob Mancini. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
045 Matt Holmes - Part I
September 24, 2020 16:50 - 1 hourMatt Holmes, a NH Fish and Game Conservation Officer and regular on North Woods Law, jumps in the pick up truck with Wayne this week to talk about Matt's career as a Game Warden. Wayne and Matt go way back and have lots of stories to tell on this episode. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
TGL007 Jana Waller
September 17, 2020 16:00 - 1 hourAlong with being an ardent conservationist, Jana Waller is dedicated to supporting veteran organizations. She is committed to getting veterans back into the woods and the mountains, featuring many veteranʼs stories of courage and strength on her shows Skull Bound TV and Skull Bound Chronicles. To date, she has personally raised over $71,000 for conservation and veteran causes. Wayne and John discuss the details of her efforts in this episode. To Get the Video Version of this Podcast Please Vi...
044 John Nores and the California Bear Poaching Case
September 10, 2020 16:00 - 59 minutesFrom the Nancy Foley podcast stemmed a conversation with John about a bear poaching case that needed exploration. John and Wayne discuss a case in California that started as a small time investigation of bear poaching that lead to convictions on numerous game and firearm violations. The case expanded into a large scale illegal guiding service and John went undercover to crack the case wide open. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices