Ethan Zuckerman and José van Dijck share the idea that another internet is possible, and necessary. In this two-part GDS podcast they engage in an intriguing and highly informative conversation, moderated by assistant-professor Karin van Es (Utrecht University). Ethan and José sketch the problem of the current situation with great insight, and they also do not shy away from ‘reimagining’ the internet, offering pathways to concrete alternatives.

Ethan Zuckerman is an associate professor of public policy, communication, and information, as well as director of the Initiative for Digital Public Infrastructure, at the University of Massachusetts. His research focuses on the use of media as a tool for social change, the use of new media technologies by activists and alternative business and governance models for the internet. He is the author of Mistrust: How Losing Trust in Institutions Provides Tools to Transform Them (2021) and Rewire: Digital Cosmopolitans in the Age of Connection (2013).

José van Dijck is a Distinguished Professor of Media and Digital Society at Utrecht University and recent recipient of the prestigious Spinoza prize – the highest scientific distinction in the Netherlands. She has published widely on media technology and platformization, and is the (co-)author of The Culture of Connectivity and The Platform Society.