Unfiltered: Real Church Planting Conversations
166 episodes - English - Latest episode: almost 2 years ago - ★★★★★ - 25 ratingsUnfiltered: Real Church Planting Conversations is a podcast featuring the often-missed conversations about church planting. Join hosts Lee Stephenson and Danny Parmelee, experienced church planters who lead a national church planting movement. You'll experience authentic discussions about real issues that church planters face. Lee and Danny hit the in-between-the-lines issues and talk about the topics you don't hear about when it comes to church planting.
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31: Developing a multiplying mindset
June 04, 2019 02:50 - 15 minutes - 14.2 MBConverge church planting leaders Lee Stephenson and Danny Parmelee discuss how to instill the DNA of multiplication into the life of a church plant. 0:55 Lee talks about how to think about multiplication before you even launch. 1:20 Lee says the first step is being intentional about creating vision alignment around why multiplication is important. 1:30 Lee discusses common questions (objections) he’s heard: Don’t we have enough churches already? Why would we plant new churches wh...
Maximizing your money
May 21, 2019 06:00 - 11 minutes - 10.6 MBAs a church planter, how do you continue to move the vision forward when you don’t have enough money? Hosts Lee Stephenson and Danny Parmelee discuss how to maximize what you have. 0:55 Lee identifies the different facets of this topic (marketing, day-to-day ministry and maximizing volunteers). 1:20 Danny talks about the importance of having a bootstrap mentality and not expecting the best of the best right away. 2:50 Danny lists three areas where it’s easy to overspend and get in trouble...
30: Maximizing your money
May 21, 2019 02:00 - 11 minutes - 10.6 MBAs a church planter, how do you continue to move the vision forward when you don’t have enough money? Hosts Lee Stephenson and Danny Parmelee discuss how to maximize what you have. 0:55 Lee identifies the different facets of this topic (marketing, day-to-day ministry and maximizing volunteers). 1:20 Danny talks about the importance of having a bootstrap mentality and not expecting the best of the best right away. 2:50 Danny lists three areas where it’s easy to overspend and get i...
Scratching the 3-year itch
May 07, 2019 06:12 - 14 minutes - 13.4 MBMost church planters come to a point where they’ll get the itch to do something new. Hosts Lee Stephenson and Danny Parmelee discuss what planters should do when they reach this crossroad in ministry. 1:10 Danny discusses the entrepreneurial nature of church planters. 3:00 Lee talks about how moving from survival mode to sustainability can lead to a desire to do something else. 5:10 Danny encourages planters to find other outlets to use their entrepreneurial gifts. 7:15 Danny talks abou...
29: Scratching the 3-year itch
May 07, 2019 02:12 - 14 minutes - 13.4 MBMost church planters come to a point where they’ll get the itch to do something new. Hosts Lee Stephenson and Danny Parmelee discuss what planters should do when they reach this crossroad in ministry. 1:10 Danny discusses the entrepreneurial nature of church planters. 3:00 Lee talks about how moving from survival mode to sustainability can lead to a desire to do something else. 5:10 Danny encourages planters to find other outlets to use their entrepreneurial gifts. 7:15 Danny t...
The staffing dilemma
April 16, 2019 06:55 - 21 minutes - 20 MBWhen should you hire? Who should you hire? How do you know that you can actually afford to hire? Hosts Lee Stephenson and Danny Parmelee answer these and other important staffing questions for church planters. 1:05 Danny talks about how long it took for his church plant to make its first hire and what the position was. 3:15 Danny shares the best advice he received about making his first hire and how it played out in his church plant. 5:00 Lee explains why both his church plants decided to...
28: The staffing dilemma
April 16, 2019 02:55 - 21 minutes - 20 MBWhen should you hire? Who should you hire? How do you know that you can actually afford to hire? Hosts Lee Stephenson and Danny Parmelee answer these and other important staffing questions for church planters. 1:05 Danny talks about how long it took for his church plant to make its first hire and what the position was. 3:15 Danny shares the best advice he received about making his first hire and how it played out in his church plant. 5:00 Lee explains why both his church plants d...
Adding a worship service
April 02, 2019 06:00 - 18 minutes - 17.3 MBWhen’s the right time for a church plant to add a worship service? Hosts Lee Stephenson and Danny Parmelee share what they’ve learned over the years, including what did and didn’t work and the best ways to announce the change to your church. 1:25 Danny says he was surprised that the launch team and the other people in his church didn’t share his excitement about adding another service. 4:05 Lee shares that the last two churches he planted started with two services. 5:35 Lee says when you...
27: Adding a worship service
April 02, 2019 02:00 - 18 minutes - 17.3 MBWhen’s the right time for a church plant to add a worship service? Hosts Lee Stephenson and Danny Parmelee share what they’ve learned over the years, including what did and didn’t work and the best ways to announce the change to your church. 1:25 Danny says he was surprised that the launch team and the other people in his church didn’t share his excitement about adding another service. 4:05 Lee shares that the last two churches he planted started with two services. 5:35 Lee says...
Assessing your call to ministry
March 19, 2019 06:53 - 16 minutes - 15.9 MBMarlan Mincks, co-director of Converge Assessment Centers, joins hosts Lee Stephenson and Danny Parmelee for a behind-the-scenes look at how he helps people find and clarify their next step in ministry. 1:05 Marlan talks about what has changed and stayed the same at the assessment center over the years. 2:15 Danny asks Marlan to respond to those who think assessment centers are like a boot camp or an initiation process. 3:45 Marlan shares the qualities that indicate a person is ready to b...
26: Assessing your call to ministry
March 19, 2019 02:53 - 16 minutes - 15.9 MBMarlan Mincks, co-director of Converge Assessment Centers, joins hosts Lee Stephenson and Danny Parmelee for a behind-the-scenes look at how he helps people find and clarify their next step in ministry. 1:05 Marlan talks about what has changed and stayed the same at the assessment center over the years. 2:15 Danny asks Marlan to respond to those who think assessment centers are like a boot camp or an initiation process. 3:45 Marlan shares the qualities that indicate a person is r...
An unconventional path to church planting
March 05, 2019 07:55 - 18 minutes - 17.2 MBIs God calling you to church planting ministry? Glenn Herschberger, executive director of Church Planting for Converge Great Lakes, joins Lee Stephenson and Danny Parmelee to discuss his unconventional journey to become a church planter after working as a police officer for 24 years. 1:45 Glenn discusses how he went from being a police officer to working in ministry. 4:30 Glenn shares how his work as an officer led to his desire to want to plant a church. 6:30 Glenn talks about how God ca...
25: An unconventional path to church planting
March 05, 2019 03:55 - 18 minutes - 17.2 MBIs God calling you to church planting ministry? Glenn Herschberger, executive director of Church Planting for Converge Great Lakes, joins Lee Stephenson and Danny Parmelee to discuss his unconventional journey to become a church planter after working as a police officer for 24 years. 1:45 Glenn discusses how he went from being a police officer to working in ministry. 4:30 Glenn shares how his work as an officer led to his desire to want to plant a church. 6:30 Glenn talks about h...
Planting a second time
February 19, 2019 07:50 - 23 minutes - 21.8 MBAfter planting his first church in 2009, Lee Stephenson did it again in 2018. Fellow church planting leader Danny Parmelee talks with Lee about what it’s like to plant a church for the second time. 2:35 Lee discusses his experience planting his first church in an Arizona movie theater in 2009. 6:10 Lee talks about what has been more challenging about planting a second time. 11:00 Lee shares about what has changed in the church planting landscape since he planted the first time. 12:50 Lee...
24: Planting a second time
February 19, 2019 03:50 - 23 minutes - 21.8 MBAfter planting his first church in 2009, Lee Stephenson did it again in 2018. Fellow church planting leader Danny Parmelee talks with Lee about what it’s like to plant a church for the second time. 2:35 Lee discusses his experience planting his first church in an Arizona movie theater in 2009. 6:10 Lee talks about what has been more challenging about planting a second time. 11:00 Lee shares about what has changed in the church planting landscape since he planted the first time. ...
Should churches merge?
February 05, 2019 07:00 - 20 minutes - 19.4 MBConverge church planting leaders Lee Stephenson and Danny Parmelee discuss the positive and negative aspects of a church wanting to merge with your church plant. 1:15 Danny talks about the opportunities and challenges he’s seen with mergers. 3:00 Lee asks Danny if his church plant was ever approached about a merger. 4:55 Lee talks about why he doesn’t like the word “merger.” 6:40 Danny and Lee discuss how the influx of new people from a merger will affect the culture and leadership of yo...
23: Should churches merge?
February 05, 2019 03:00 - 20 minutes - 19.4 MBConverge church planting leaders Lee Stephenson and Danny Parmelee discuss the positive and negative aspects of a church wanting to merge with your church plant. 1:15 Danny talks about the opportunities and challenges he’s seen with mergers. 3:00 Lee asks Danny if his church plant was ever approached about a merger. 4:55 Lee talks about why he doesn’t like the word “merger.” 6:40 Danny and Lee discuss how the influx of new people from a merger will affect the culture and leaders...
Is evangelism dead?
January 15, 2019 07:00 - 19 minutes - 18.3 MBConverge church planting leaders Lee Stephenson and Danny Parmelee discuss strategies for creating a culture of evangelism in your church plant. 0:50 Danny talks about the shift he’s seen of emphasizing discipleship over evangelism. 1:45 Lee says the church planters who are coming to Converge’s assessment center aren’t as evangelistic as they used to be. 2:30 Danny discusses his personal experience with evangelism. 4:25 Lee talks about how evangelism has to be a driving factor in the c...
22: Is evangelism dead?
January 15, 2019 03:00 - 19 minutes - 18.3 MBConverge church planting leaders Lee Stephenson and Danny Parmelee discuss strategies for creating a culture of evangelism in your church plant. 0:50 Danny talks about the shift he’s seen of emphasizing discipleship over evangelism. 1:45 Lee says the church planters who are coming to Converge’s assessment center aren’t as evangelistic as they used to be. 2:30 Danny discusses his personal experience with evangelism. 4:25 Lee talks about how evangelism has to be a driving factor...
How to manage your schedule and not go insane
January 01, 2019 07:00 - 15 minutes - 14.5 MBAs a church planter, you often feel like you’re being pulled in every direction and there’s always more work to do. Converge church planting leaders Lee Stephenson and Danny Parmelee discuss best practices for managing your schedule. 1:00 Danny talks about things he’s learned about time management over the years. 3:40 Lee shares five questions he asks himself when evaluating his schedule. 5:35 Danny discusses the importance of understanding the rhythms of stress and rest. 7:05 Lee and D...
21: How to manage your schedule and not go insane
January 01, 2019 03:00 - 15 minutes - 14.5 MBAs a church planter, you often feel like you’re being pulled in every direction and there’s always more work to do. Converge church planting leaders Lee Stephenson and Danny Parmelee discuss best practices for managing your schedule. 1:00 Danny talks about things he’s learned about time management over the years. 3:40 Lee shares five questions he asks himself when evaluating his schedule. 5:35 Danny discusses the importance of understanding the rhythms of stress and rest. 7:05 ...
Capital campaigns
December 18, 2018 07:00 - 15 minutes - 14.9 MBConverge church planting leaders Lee Stephenson and Danny Parmelee discuss how to start and lead a capital campaign at your church plant — by yourself or with the help of a consultant. 0:55 Lee and Danny talk about the different capital campaigns they led at their churches. 3:10 Danny shares his thoughts on campaign lengths. 7:45 Danny says that after going through a campaign most of his fears weren’t realized. 9:20 Danny discusses his opinion on whether to hire a consultant. 10:55 Dan...
20: Capital campaigns
December 18, 2018 03:00 - 15 minutes - 14.9 MBConverge church planting leaders Lee Stephenson and Danny Parmelee discuss how to start and lead a capital campaign at your church plant — by yourself or with the help of a consultant. 0:55 Lee and Danny talk about the different capital campaigns they led at their churches. 3:10 Danny shares his thoughts on campaign lengths. 7:45 Danny says that after going through a campaign most of his fears weren’t realized. 9:20 Danny discusses his opinion on whether to hire a consultant. ...
The worship wars
December 04, 2018 07:00 - 24 minutes - 22.7 MBWorship is a key — and sometimes contentious — issue in the life of a church plant. Converge church planting leaders Lee Stephenson and Danny Parmelee have an in-depth conversation about worship, including how to find a worship leader and the role technology should play. 1:05: Lee and Danny share some awkward things they’ve experienced during worship. 5:15 Danny shares how he found the worship leader for his church plant. 7:05 Lee talks about how his first church plant went from having a ...
19: The worship wars
December 04, 2018 03:00 - 24 minutes - 22.7 MBWorship is a key — and sometimes contentious — issue in the life of a church plant. Converge church planting leaders Lee Stephenson and Danny Parmelee have an in-depth conversation about worship, including how to find a worship leader and the role technology should play. 1:05: Lee and Danny share some awkward things they’ve experienced during worship. 5:15 Danny shares how he found the worship leader for his church plant. 7:05 Lee talks about how his first church plant went from ...
The life of a church planter’s spouse
November 20, 2018 07:00 - 16 minutes - 15.5 MBConverge church planting leaders Lee Stephenson and Danny Parmelee discuss the important role a church planter’s spouse plays when starting a church. 0:55 Lee says sometimes unrealistic expectations are placed on church planters’ wives. 2:10 Danny talks about the broad spectrum of roles church planters’ wives play — from co-pastor to behind the scenes. 2:55 Lee discusses to his wife’s experience with church planting growing up — her dad was a pastor who planted two churches. 5:05 Danny...
18: The life of a church planter’s spouse
November 20, 2018 03:00 - 16 minutes - 15.5 MBConverge church planting leaders Lee Stephenson and Danny Parmelee discuss the important role a church planter’s spouse plays when starting a church. 0:55 Lee says sometimes unrealistic expectations are placed on church planters’ wives. 2:10 Danny talks about the broad spectrum of roles church planters’ wives play — from co-pastor to behind the scenes. 2:55 Lee discusses to his wife’s experience with church planting growing up — her dad was a pastor who planted two churches. 5...
Going from launch to “Real” church
November 06, 2018 07:00 - 22 minutes - 20.9 MBYour church plant has made it to the grand opening. Now what? Converge church planting leaders Lee Stephenson and Danny Parmelee discuss how to move forward as you enter into this new phase in the life of your church. 1:35 Danny discusses how the planter and launch team members need to be prepared for the changes that will come after the church’s launch. 4:50 Lee recommends sitting down with your team weeks before the grand opening to provide them with a clear understanding of what it’s go...
17: Going from launch to “Real” church
November 06, 2018 03:00 - 22 minutes - 20.9 MBYour church plant has made it to the grand opening. Now what? Converge church planting leaders Lee Stephenson and Danny Parmelee discuss how to move forward as you enter into this new phase in the life of your church. 1:35 Danny discusses how the planter and launch team members need to be prepared for the changes that will come after the church’s launch. 4:50 Lee recommends sitting down with your team weeks before the grand opening to provide them with a clear understanding of wha...
How to start a youth & children’s ministry
October 16, 2018 06:00 - 35 minutes - 32.5 MBChurch planting leaders Lee Stephenson and Danny Parmelee discuss how to start children’s and youth ministries as a church plant. 0:55 Danny talks about how it took time for his church to establish a children’s ministry 4:20 Lee discusses how his church had a children’s ministry from Day 1 and the challenges that being in a movie theater presented 9:00 Lee talks about how things changed when they moved to a high school 13:00 Lee shares how his church was able to have a full-time children...
16: How to start a youth & children’s ministry
October 16, 2018 02:00 - 35 minutes - 32.5 MBChurch planting leaders Lee Stephenson and Danny Parmelee discuss how to start children’s and youth ministries as a church plant. 0:55 Danny talks about how it took time for his church to establish a children’s ministry 4:20 Lee discusses how his church had a children’s ministry from Day 1 and the challenges that being in a movie theater presented 9:00 Lee talks about how things changed when they moved to a high school 13:00 Lee shares how his church was able to have a full-time...
Small groups are a big deal
October 02, 2018 06:00 - 30 minutes - 28.2 MBChurch planting leaders Lee Stephenson and Danny Parmelee discuss the roles small groups should play in the life of a church plant. 0:50 Danny shares how small groups were an important part of his church plant from the beginning 4:25 Danny talks about how he dealt with people who wanted something different taught in their small group 6:50 Danny discusses how he handled small group multiplication 9:15 Lee and Danny say that at their churches it was the responsibility of small group leader...
15: Small groups are a big deal
October 02, 2018 02:00 - 30 minutes - 28.2 MBChurch planting leaders Lee Stephenson and Danny Parmelee discuss the roles small groups should play in the life of a church plant. 0:50 Danny shares how small groups were an important part of his church plant from the beginning 4:25 Danny talks about how he dealt with people who wanted something different taught in their small group 6:50 Danny discusses how he handled small group multiplication 9:15 Lee and Danny say that at their churches it was the responsibility of small gro...
[Bonus Episode] Walking Through Depression
September 25, 2018 06:00 - 24 minutes - 22.5 MBConverge church planting leaders Lee Stephenson and Danny Parmelee are joined by special guest Jeff Gauss to talk about his battle with depression and what advice he has for people who are dealing with the same struggles. 0:40 - Jeff shares about his experience planting three churches in the past 17-18 years. He planted two churches in Minnesota before planting his current church in Grand Forks, North Dakota. He is also the director of church planting for the Converge Heartland district. 5...
[BONUS EPISODE] Church planting residencies
September 18, 2018 06:00 - 19 minutes - 17.9 MBConverge church planting leaders Lee Stephenson and Danny Parmelee are joined by special guest Caleb Smith to talk about his new role as Converge’s director of Church Planting Residency and Coaching. 1:15 Caleb talks about what church residencies are 2:00 Caleb discusses the differences between internships and residencies 3:00 Caleb shares about his ministry experience and how it has given him a passion for church residencies 5:15 Caleb discusses the reasons churches are interested in st...
Staying healthy as a church planter
September 04, 2018 06:00 - 25 minutes - 23.4 MBChurch planting leaders Lee Stephenson and Danny Parmelee discuss how to maintain healthy rhythms in your schedule to stay healthy spiritually, emotionally and physically. 1:00 Danny says he did not take a time of rest when he first became a church planter 3:25 Danny and Lee talk about how they managed their time at church and at home 10:00 Danny talks about how he learned to say no to things 10:40 Danny and Lee discuss the hobbies they enjoyed as church planters 14:55 Lee talks about...
14: Staying healthy as a church planter
September 04, 2018 02:00 - 25 minutes - 23.4 MBChurch planting leaders Lee Stephenson and Danny Parmelee discuss how to maintain healthy rhythms in your schedule to stay healthy spiritually, emotionally and physically. 1:00 Danny says he did not take a time of rest when he first became a church planter 3:25 Danny and Lee talk about how they managed their time at church and at home 10:00 Danny talks about how he learned to say no to things 10:40 Danny and Lee discuss the hobbies they enjoyed as church planters 14:55 Lee ta...
Developing your first church budget
August 21, 2018 06:00 - 21 minutes - 19.8 MBChurch planting leaders Lee Stephenson and Danny Parmelee discuss the thing that turns church planters’ vision into reality – the church budget. 1:23 Danny talks about how he approached the budget during the first few years of his church 2:30 Lee and Danny point out the things that need to be included in the budget 3:35 Lee says he coaches church planters to be a tithing church from day one, setting aside 10 percent of everything that comes in to give outside of the doors of the church ...
13: Developing your first church budget
August 21, 2018 02:00 - 21 minutes - 19.8 MBChurch planting leaders Lee Stephenson and Danny Parmelee discuss the thing that turns church planters’ vision into reality – the church budget. 1:23 Danny talks about how he approached the budget during the first few years of his church 2:30 Lee and Danny point out the things that need to be included in the budget 3:35 Lee says he coaches church planters to be a tithing church from day one, setting aside 10 percent of everything that comes in to give outside of the doors of the...
The importance of church governance
August 07, 2018 06:00 - 34 minutes - 31.6 MBChurch planting leaders Lee Stephenson and Danny Parmelee discuss the often overlooked but critically important topic of church governance, including how and when to establish an elder board. 1:25 Danny advises church planters on the things they should be thinking about in the beginning of the church governance process 3:40 Danny says being part of a network is helpful 4:30 Danny says it’s important to remember that your model of governance will change over time and the challenges that wi...
12: The importance of church governance
August 07, 2018 02:00 - 34 minutes - 31.6 MBChurch planting leaders Lee Stephenson and Danny Parmelee discuss the often overlooked but critically important topic of church governance, including how and when to establish an elder board. 1:25 Danny advises church planters on the things they should be thinking about in the beginning of the church governance process 3:40 Danny says being part of a network is helpful 4:30 Danny says it’s important to remember that your model of governance will change over time and the challenge...
Don't call it a comeback – Lee's planting a church!
July 17, 2018 06:00 - 19 minutes - 18.3 MBChurch planting leaders Lee Stephenson and Danny Parmelee discuss God's calling on Lee to plant a church in Orlando in 2018. Lee shares his heart for the local church, how his prior experience will play a role in planting a new church, his fears going into the process and the role the church will play in training and launch more church planters. 00:55 Lee announces that he is planting a church in Orlando 01:42 Lee shares what his personal church planting process looked like, beginning from...
11: Don't call it a comeback – Lee's planting a church!
July 17, 2018 02:00 - 19 minutes - 18.3 MBChurch planting leaders Lee Stephenson and Danny Parmelee discuss God's calling on Lee to plant a church in Orlando in 2018. Lee shares his heart for the local church, how his prior experience will play a role in planting a new church, his fears going into the process and the role the church will play in training and launch more church planters. 00:55 Lee announces that he is planting a church in Orlando 01:42 Lee shares what his personal church planting process looked like, begin...
Building a better church website
July 03, 2018 06:00 - 26 minutes - 24.7 MBStatistics show a large majority of people looking for a church will visit your website before they step foot in your church building. Marketing and communications executive Ryan Emenecker joins hosts and church planting leaders Lee Stephenson and Danny Parmelee to discuss how to create a website that will make people want to visit your church. The following Converge partners were mentioned in this episode of Unfiltered: Real Church Planting Conversations: Church Plant Media Aware3 01:5...
10: Building a better church website
July 03, 2018 02:00 - 26 minutes - 24.7 MBStatistics show a large majority of people looking for a church will visit your website before they step foot in your church building. Marketing and communications executive Ryan Emenecker joins hosts and church planting leaders Lee Stephenson and Danny Parmelee to discuss how to create a website that will make people want to visit your church. The following Converge partners were mentioned in this episode of Unfiltered: Real Church Planting Conversations: Church Plant Media Awa...
How to create momentum before you launch
June 19, 2018 06:00 - 27 minutes - 25.6 MBYour pre-launch services set the table for your grand opening. Church planting leaders Lee Stephenson and Danny Parmelee discuss how you can create momentum for your church plant in the pre-launch phase. 1:01 - Danny explores the positives and negatives of three types of church launch services 3:28 - Lee talks about why he encourages church planters to not hold Sunday morning services until they hold a public grand opening 4:31 - Lee and Danny discuss their church plants' pre-launch servi...
9: How to create momentum before you launch
June 19, 2018 02:00 - 27 minutes - 25.6 MBYour pre-launch services set the table for your grand opening. Church planting leaders Lee Stephenson and Danny Parmelee discuss how you can create momentum for your church plant in the pre-launch phase. 1:01 - Danny explores the positives and negatives of three types of church launch services 3:28 - Lee talks about why he encourages church planters to not hold Sunday morning services until they hold a public grand opening 4:31 - Lee and Danny discuss their church plants' pre-lau...
Developing your church plant launch team
June 05, 2018 06:00 - 25 minutes - 23.8 MBA healthy launch team goes a long way in planting a healthy church. Church planting leaders Lee Stephenson and Danny Parmelee discuss the importance of a strong launch team when church planting and how to start and utilize your team. 1:15 - Lee and Danny discuss differences between "launch team" and "core team" 3:45 - Danny talks about his launch team experience, what worked and what didn't work 5:40 - Danny discusses the importance of having Christians and non-Christians on the launch te...
8: Developing your church plant launch team
June 05, 2018 02:00 - 25 minutes - 23.8 MBA healthy launch team goes a long way in planting a healthy church. Church planting leaders Lee Stephenson and Danny Parmelee discuss the importance of a strong launch team when church planting and how to start and utilize your team. 1:15 - Lee and Danny discuss differences between "launch team" and "core team" 3:45 - Danny talks about his launch team experience, what worked and what didn't work 5:40 - Danny discusses the importance of having Christians and non-Christians on the ...
Targeting your audience in church planting
May 15, 2018 07:00 - 24 minutes - 23.2 MBWho will your church focus on reaching? Church planting leaders Lee Stephenson and Danny Parmelee discuss the importance of creating a niche for your church plant by targeting the audience you want to reach and share some thoughts on how to reach your target audience. 1:19 - Danny explains the importance and the biblical precedent of targeting an audience when planting a church 2:33 - Danny talks about how specific a target audience should be 3:45 - Lee discusses four groups of people - A...