It's a 50th Episode Celebration!

Listen in while host Andrew Herman chats with former host and founder of the the State of the Art, Ethan Appleby about the future of the podcast. You'll hear an update on the vision of the podcast, some of the new rebranding of State of the Art, and what Ethan and Andrew have been up to in their personal lives, too!


Cover art by Graydon Speace

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