Caleb interviews John Jolliffe, Licensed Marriage & Family Therapist about mental health and the movie "Joker" that has brought this subject to the foreground. John gives us new ways of thinking about the term "mental illness", the present social environment and tools to deal with this far-ranging subject that affects 44 million people in the United States alone. For more about John Jolliffe (including his Ted Talks) go to: johnjolliffe.com. Video Podcast version also available on the YouTube Spirit Farm Channel.