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Sox Machine

1,068 episodes - English - Latest episode: 19 days ago - ★★★★★ - 365 ratings

The Sox Machine podcast covers Chicago White Sox news, interviews, analysis, and more. Hosted by Josh Nelson, Jim Margalus, and James Fegan.
"We watch the Chicago White Sox so you don't have to!"

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1: Hello, Liam Hendriks

January 13, 2021 04:59 - 1 hour

The Chicago White Sox made a big splash in free agency, signing one of the best relievers in baseball with Liam Hendriks. How does Hendriks differ from Alex Colome? After this signing, where do the White Sox stack up in the American League? Even after the Hendriks signing, Josh and Jim don’t think the White Sox are done this offseason. Who could be next to join the South Siders? They took a look at the projected payroll and pitch ideas on possible targets who would be a good fit for the White...

Where the Chicago White Sox stand entering 2021

December 30, 2020 04:10 - 1 hour

After the San Diego Padres turned up the hot stove to high heat after trading for Blake Snell and Yu Darvish, it’s time to assess where everyone stands in MLB. How does the Chicago White Sox roster project with the work they’ve done this offseason? And who can the White Sox sign to help bolster their claim to being a legit contender in the American League this season? Josh and Jim answer those questions with a chance to say good riddance to the 2020 calendar year.  Learn more about your ad c...

Latest White Sox Rumors with Robert Murray

December 14, 2020 05:20 - 1 hour

Guest: Robert Murray, MLB Insider and Columnist - FansidedAfter trading for Lance Lynn and signing Adam Eaton, the Chicago White Sox still have moves to make this offseason. Who will be their next target? Joining the show is Fansided MLB Insider Robert Murray, who shares his insight on the current free agency market and why he thinks the Sox are serious contenders for Liam Hendriks. Would Hendriks be the best direction? That was one of many P.O. Sox questions Josh and Jim answer in this episo...

2020/21 Offseason: Reaction to Lance Lynn trade and Adam Eaton signing

December 08, 2020 20:18 - 58 minutes

Record date: 12/8/2020Emergency podcast capturing thoughts about the Chicago White Sox trading for Lance Lynn and signing Adam Eaton. - Why the White Sox continue their bad habits signing Eaton- Why the Lynn trade is a good idea and helps their chances of winning the AL Central Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Goodbye, Carlos Rodon and Nomar Mazara

December 03, 2020 04:45 - 50 minutes

Josh and Jim recap the Chicago White Sox non-tendering Carlos Rodon and Nomar Mazara for the 2021 season. What went wrong for both leading to this decision, and who are some possible targets for the White Sox to fill in the right field gap? Plus, they take a look at the 2021 coaching staff that features a mixture of old and new faces working with Tony La Russa.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

2021 ZiPS Projections with Dan Szymborski

November 18, 2020 22:00 - 43 minutes

Guest: Dan Szymborski, FanGraphsJosh and Dan discuss the 2021 Chicago White Sox ZiPS projections covering many topics: Why now would be a good time to sign Lucas Giolito to a contract extension (and what ZiPS thinks that deal could look like) How the White Sox should spend more on finding an RF solution than SP help How Covid impacts ZiPS projections What to expect from Luis Robert in Year 2 Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Week in Review: Abreu wins MVP and La Russa is charged for DUI

November 14, 2020 04:35 - 1 hour

It has been a pretty busy week for the Chicago White Sox. MLB announced Jose Abreu as the 2020 American League MVP, which was great news. The rumored hiring of Ethan Katz to be the next pitching coach is intriguing, and ESPN 1000 is the White Sox new radio home. That alone is a busy week, but Tony La Russa’s pending DUI charge is an unnecessary distraction. Josh and Jim discuss it all on this edition of the podcast.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

2020/21 Free Agency Class

November 02, 2020 05:50 - 1 hour

Josh and Jim look at the 2020/21 Free Agency class picking out possible targets for the Chicago White Sox to sign. They also discuss how Leury Garcia could be used playing under Tony La Russa, updates to the coaching staff, and answer your questions in P.O. Sox. This episode is dedicated to a long-time friend of Sox Machine, Jim Osborn.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Hello, Tony La Russa

October 30, 2020 01:23 - 54 minutes

The Chicago White Sox made the bold move of hiring Tony La Russa as their new manager. This episode recaps the White Sox's thought process, why this is Jerry Reinsdorf's decision, and ponder what it means for the team's near future.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

2020/21 Offseason Plans with Laurence Holmes

October 26, 2020 03:30 - 1 hour

There have been great ideas flowing with the 2020/21 Sox Machine Offseason Plan Project, and in this episode, we invite some posters to share their ideas.  Plus, Laurence Holmes of 670 the Score stops by to share his thoughts on how the White Sox could attack this offseason. Instead of Tony La Russa, how about Bruce Bochy? And why Michael Brantley is one of his top targets for the White Sox to sign. 

2020/21 Offseason Plans with Laurence Holmes

October 26, 2020 03:30 - 1 hour

There have been great ideas flowing with the 2020/21 Sox Machine Offseason Plan Project, and in this episode, we invite some posters to share their ideas. Plus, Laurence Holmes of 670 the Score stops by to share his thoughts on how the White Sox could attack this offseason. Instead of Tony La Russa, how about Bruce Bochy? And why Michael Brantley is one of his top targets for the White Sox to sign.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

2021 Offseason Plan Project Kickoff

October 19, 2020 05:02 - 1 hour

Josh and Jim kickoff the Sox Machine 2021 Offseason Plan Project. Breaking down the key decisions offseason architects will need to make, some ideas to consider constructing the roster, and how the uncertainty of the market could impact the White Sox budget.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Goodbye, Rick Renteria (and Don Cooper)

October 13, 2020 16:42 - 52 minutes

Josh and Jim recap the shocking news of Rick Renteria and Don Cooper's firings. They discuss why were they let go after a seemingly successful 2020 season, and who are the leading contenders to replace Renteria as a manager.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sox Machine on the Radio: Josh Nelson with Laurence Holmes

October 07, 2020 21:16 - 15 minutes

Air Date: 10-6-2020Josh joins Laurence Holmes on 670 the Score to recap the 2020 White Sox season. What was one thing that went well for the White Sox, and what is one thing they must improve upon next season? Plus, the progress of Lucas Giolito and Tim Anderson, and the odds James McCann comes back next season.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

2020 Postseason: Season ends in Oakland and now time to look ahead to 2021

October 02, 2020 01:06 - 52 minutes

Stream Date: 10-1-2020Josh, Jim, and Greg recap Game 3 loss for the Chicago White Sox. Recounting Rick Renteria's steps managing the pitching staff and the missed offensive opportunities. They also look ahead to the upcoming offseason where there is much uncertainty for Major League Baseball.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sox Machine on the Radio: Jim Margalus with Joe Ostrowski

October 01, 2020 15:18 - 20 minutes

Air Date: 9-30-2020Radio Station: 670 the ScoreJim chats with Joe Ostrowski on 670 the Score to recap the White Sox loss in Game 2 and what to expect for Game 3.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

2020 Postseason: Keuchel and Madrigal struggles lead to Game 2 loss

September 30, 2020 23:49 - 42 minutes

Stream Date: 9-30-2020The Chicago White Sox lost Game 2 by a final score of 5-3. Dallas Keuchel got rocked in his worst start of the season, allowing two home runs, and Nick Madrigal made costly errors in the field and basepaths. Josh and Jim recap Game 2 and look ahead to Game 3's winner take all matchup.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sox Machine on the Radio: Josh Nelson with Joe Ostrowski to recap Game 1

September 30, 2020 14:50 - 20 minutes

Recording Date: 9/29/2020Station: 670 the ScoreJosh and Joe recap Game 1 victory for the White Sox. Why it wasn't the wisest decision to have Luzardo face the lineup a second time, what to expect in Game 2, and their White Sox MLB Futures bets.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

2020 Postseason: White Sox Win Game 1 of Wild Card Series

September 29, 2020 23:09 - 33 minutes

Stream Date: 9/29/2020The Chicago White Sox win Game 1 over the Oakland Athletics by a final score of 4-1. Lucas Giolito was terrific and was supported by home runs from Jose Abreu, Yasmani Grandal, and Adam Engel. Josh and Jim recap the action and ponder what adjustments manager Rick Renteria could make heading into Game 2.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

45: 2020 Regular Season is Ovah! Onward to the Postseason

September 28, 2020 05:15 - 1 hour

Josh and Jim recap the final weekend of the 2020 regular season. Unfortunately, the White Sox poor play continued as they lost eight of their last ten games. Still, there were some positive outcomes such as Luis Robert beginning to string hits together. With the regular season over, it’s time to focus on the upcoming postseason, and the White Sox journey begins in Oakland. Can the Sox overtake the Athletics? How far will they go this postseason? They answer those questions and provide their g...

Sox Machine Live!: Crushed Spirits in Cleveland

September 25, 2020 03:06 - 55 minutes

Stream Date: 09-24-2020Josh and Jim recap a terrible road trip to the state of Ohio. After being swept by Cleveland, the White Sox have now lost their hold on the AL Central and now are at risk of finishing third in the division. They breakdown Rick Renteria's failed decision-making in high leverage situations, White Sox bats going cold, and an attempt to be optimistic with the upcoming series against the struggling Chicago Cubs.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/ad...

44: White Sox Wake Up Call: Sept. 24, 2020

September 24, 2020 11:00 - 7 minutes

Last night: The Sox were walked off again, 3-2; the Twins won against Detroit to take the division lead.Today: The Sox and Cleveland play their series and season finale at 5:10 pm CT.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

White Sox Wake-Up Call: Sept. 23, 2020

September 23, 2020 10:00 - 9 minutes

Good morning? I guess? Anyway, here's the rundown: LAST NIGHT:The White Sox were already frustrated before Jose Ramirez walked them off in a 5-3 10-inning loss. TONIGHT: It's Lucas Giolito against Shane Bieber, a pitcher the Sox against whom the Sox fare decently. AROUND THE LEAGUE: The Twins narrow the gap, the Yankees are closing in, and the Dodgers and Braves clinch their divisions. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

43: White Sox Wake-Up Call: September 22, 2020

September 22, 2020 13:00 - 8 minutes

Good morning. Here's the rundown: RECAP: Jose Ramirez leads Cleveland to a win in the opener. PREVIEW: Reynaldo Lopez stakes his claim for a playoff roster spot. MLB NEWS: The A's clinch the AL West. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

42: 2020 Home Stretch and Gold Glove Talk with Mark Simon

September 21, 2020 04:57 - 1 hour

Guest: Mark Simon, Sports Info SolutionsThere were some good and bad happenings for the White Sox visiting Cincinnati this past weekend. Josh and Jim recap Tim Anderson’s big night, Dylan Cease struggled again, and the debut of Garrett Crochet. The guest this week is Mark Simon from Sports Info Solutions. He stops by to discuss the White Sox defensive improvements in 2020 and who has the best chance to win a Gold Glove this season.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/...

Sox Machine Live!: The 2020 Chicago White Sox Are Playoff Bound!

September 18, 2020 03:12 - 1 hour

Stream Date: 9/17/2020The 2020 Chicago White Sox have done it! After winning three out of four games against the Minnesota Twins, the White Sox have clinched a postseason berth in 2020. Josh and Jim share how they feel about the event 12 years in the making, Jose Abreu's MVP moment, Eloy Jimenez coming in the clutch, and preview the upcoming series against Cincinnati.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

41: White Sox Wake Up Call: Sept. 17, 2020

September 17, 2020 11:00 - 7 minutes

Good morning, Sox fans! Here's the rundown for this morning's episode: Last night: The Sox lost to the dastardly Twins, 5-1. Every run was scored by the home run, but Twins' pitching won the day. Around baseball: The Yankees won big, Cleveland lost, and the White Sox are closing in on a guaranteed playoff berth. This afternoon: The Sox and Twins square off for their final game of the season, 1:10 p.m. CT. It's Reynaldo Lopez against Kenta Maeda. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit pod...

White Sox Wake-Up Call: Sept. 16, 2020

September 16, 2020 10:00 - 10 minutes

Good morning. Here's the rundown: LAST NIGHT: The White Sox won their sixth in a row, beating the Minnesota Twins 6-2 behind Dane Dunning's most impressive start to date. TONIGHT: Lucas Giolito has a chance to seal the series win against Jake Odorizzi, provided his good command returns. AROUND THE LEAGUE: MLB confirms its postseason format, the Indians suffer a heartbreaker, the Cardinals jaw at the Brewers, and the Yankees show no mercy to Toronto. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit...

40: White Sox Wake Up Call: September 15, 2020

September 15, 2020 11:00 - 9 minutes

Here's today's rundown: RECAP: The Sox win an odd one against the Twins. PREVIEW: Dunning. Dobnak. The showdown of 2020. MLB NEWS: Atlanta and the A's add All-Stars. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

39: Taking Care of Business

September 14, 2020 05:05 - 1 hour

The Chicago White Sox swept Detroit again to finish 21-3 against the Tigers, Kansas City Royals, and Pittsburgh Pirates. Josh and Jim recap what happened over the weekend, including the return of Reynaldo Lopez and Jonathan Stiever’s MLB debut. Now that the White Sox are done playing the rebuilding teams, they press on for a critical four-game series against Minnesota. They preview the key matchups and offer their predictions on how the series will unfold.  Learn more about your ad choices. ...

Sox Machine Live!: Keuchel to IL Brings Back Lopez

September 11, 2020 03:41 - 48 minutes

Stream Date: 9/10/2020Dallas Keuchel is now on the 10-day IL which isn't good news. When should White Sox fans expect him back, and can his back stop barking before the postseason? With Keuchel on the IL, Reynaldo Lopez returns to the White Sox. What will his role be in Keuchel absence?Plus: Yoan Moncada regaining form, Dane Dunning's upcoming big test, and preview Sox vs. Tigers.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

38: White Sox Wake Up Call: Sept. 10, 2020

September 10, 2020 10:00 - 9 minutes

Good morning, White Sox fans! Here's your rundown for this morning: Last night: The White Sox salvaged a series split in Pittsburgh. Tonight: The ol' home team is off today, but will return against Detroit tomorrow. The AL Central and MLB: Detroit was routed by the Brewers, Kansas City won a tight game against Cleveland, and hokey smokes, how about that Atlanta/Florida game!!?? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

White Sox Wake-Up Call: Sept. 9, 2020

September 09, 2020 10:00 - 8 minutes

Good morning. Here's the rundown: LAST NIGHT: The White Sox let a winnable game slip away in Pittsburgh. TONIGHT: Dane Dunning will try to salvage a series win against the Pirates a fellow rookie. AROUND THE LEAGUE: The AL Central remains taut, the Yankees are still struggling, and the Astros are barely better. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

White Sox Wake Up Call: September 8, 2020

September 08, 2020 09:42 - 12 minutes

Last Night: Dallas Keuchel speaks about his nagging back injuryToday: Dylan Cease takes the mound to face the Pittsburgh Pirates Around MLB: Both Cleveland and Minnesota won, craziness in Queens, Blue Jays scored 10 runs in an inning, and the updated Playoff Standings.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

37: Making the MVP Case(s) and White Sox Top Prospects with Jim Callis

September 07, 2020 05:35 - 1 hour

Guest: Jim Callis, MLB.com With two-thirds of the season completed, Josh and Jim look at the MVP cases for Jose Abreu, Tim Anderson, and Luis Robert. Do any of the three have a chance to dethrone Mike Trout for the top award in 2020?MLBPipeline released its updated Top 100 Prospect list that features four White Sox players. Our good friend, Jim Callis stops by to share his thoughts of Luis Robert’s play and a look at the future White Sox farm system ranking.  Learn more about your ad choices...

36: White Sox Wake Up Call: Sept. 4, 2020

September 04, 2020 10:00 - 7 minutes

Good morning, Sox fans! Your rundown for September 4: Last night: The White Sox blasted the Royals, 11-6, but not without those meddling monarchs making it tough. Tonight: It's an all-Florida matchup, as Brady Singer and Dane Dunning square off. Around baseball: Pete Alonso walks it off, Clayton Kershaw achieves a milestone, and the rest of the AL Central were a bunch of lazy layabouts. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sox Machine Live!: Not a Fun Time in Minneapolis

September 03, 2020 05:36 - 46 minutes

The Chicago White Sox stood pat on the trade deadline, trusting that the current roster can take it home. Well, after the series in Minneapolis, that might have been a mistake as the bullpen appears to be taxed as the club makes their way for a four-game series in Kansas City. Josh and Jim recap the lack of activity at the trade deadline, the Twins series, and preview the upcoming series at Kansas City. They also remember Tom Seaver's years with the White Sox after news of his passing at the ...

White Sox Wake-Up Call: Sept. 2, 2020

September 02, 2020 10:00 - 8 minutes

Good morning. Here's the rundown: LAST NIGHT: Byron Buxton beat the Sox on both sides of the ball  TONIGHT: It's not a great matchup on paper thanks to Reynaldo López, but Jose Berríos has been mediocre himself. AROUND THE LEAGUE: The Indians grabbed a share of first, blowouts abound, and a blow-up between the Yankees and Rays. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

35: White Sox Wake Up Call: September 1, 2020

September 01, 2020 11:00 - 11 minutes

Good morning. Here's the rundown: RECAP: The Sox win a thriller in Minnesota behind Luis Robert. PREVIEW: Dallas Keuchel faces Michael Pineda today. MLB NEWS: Cleveland deals Mike Clevinger in the biggest trade deadline swap. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

34: First Place White Sox Shopping at the Trade Deadline

August 31, 2020 05:22 - 1 hour

Guest: Dan Szymborski, FanGraphsThe MLB trade market is far busier thanks to the San Diego Padres, making four deals in 32 hours. There are gaps within the pitching staff that Rick Hahn could find outside solutions for the White Sox. Should they though? Which pitchers would be the best targets and how likely are these rumored deals? Josh and Jim break down the current markets for Mike Clevinger, Lance Lynn, and Dylan Bundy. Our Best Friend of the Show, Dan Szymborski, stops by to share his th...

Sox Machine on the Radio: Josh Nelson with Steve Rosenbloom and Mark Grote on 670 the Score

August 30, 2020 17:54 - 19 minutes

Air Date: 8/29/2020Josh joins Steve Rosenbloom and Mark Grote on 670 the Score to discuss the White Sox run of success and trade targets before the deadline.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Sox Machine Live!: Latest on MLB Postponements and Preview Sox vs. Royals

August 28, 2020 02:14 - 50 minutes

Stream Date: 8/27/2020The last 24 hours have seen athletes from the various professional sports leagues come together to postpone games in response to the police shooting of James Blake in Kenosha, Wisconsin. Josh and Jim cover what has transpired around the league, and with the White Sox having Thursday off, will they boycott Friday’s game? Also recap Lucas Giolito’s no-hitter, Jose Abreu leading the American League in home runs, and preview the upcoming weekend series against the Kansas Cit...

33: White Sox Wake Up Call: Aug. 27, 2020

August 27, 2020 11:00 - 9 minutes

Morning, White Sox fans! The rundown for this morning's episode: Yesterday afternoon: the White Sox swept their two-game series against the Pirates in a 10-3 blowout. Dallas Keuchel didn't no-hit, but he didn't need to as the Sox hit 4 more homers to pace him to his fifth victory on the season. Friday: the Sox are off Thursday, but will face the Royals and (likely) Danny Duffy on Friday evening. Around the league: Cleveland beat Minnesota, so the Sox are just a half-game back from the divi...

White Sox Wake-Up Call: Aug. 26, 2020

August 26, 2020 10:00 - 10 minutes

 Good morning. Here's the rundown: LAST NIGHT: Lucas Giolito threw a no-hitter as the White Sox won 4-0, although a literal power surge prevented you from seeing most of the offense. TODAY: Dallas Keuchel tries to keep up his perfect percentage of satisfactory starts against trade bait Trevor Williams. AROUNDTHELEAGUE: Yolmer Sánchez is back, as are Jose Quintana and the Mets, although with diminishing returns. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

32: White Sox Wake Up Call: August 25, 2020

August 25, 2020 11:00 - 6 minutes

Good morning! Here's the rundown: PREVIEW: Lucas Giolito takes on Steven Brault in the series opener. MLB NEWS: The PIrates claim Carson Fulmer, just in time for schadenfreude. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

31: Podcast: Jose Abreu Powers White Sox Terrific Week

August 24, 2020 05:42 - 1 hour

Josh and Jim recap the White Sox series win over the Cubs in large thanks to Jose Abreu’s historical performance. Plus, a look at how Rick Renteria utilized his starting pitching in the series with a breakdown of Dylan Cease’s sixth inning. Looking ahead, the White Sox host the Pittsburgh Pirates for two games. Does it make sense to give Yoan Moncada another day off? In the end, we answer your questions in P.O. Sox including Nomar Mazara’s role.  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podca...

Sox Machine Live!: Domination of Detroit Sets The Stage For Crosstown Classic Part I

August 21, 2020 02:39 - 1 hour

Recorded: 8-20-2020 Recap the White Sox four-game sweep of the Detroit Tigers to improve to 15-11 in 2020. Tim Anderson was en fuego, Jose Abreu is on a tear, and the White Sox offense clicked for 31 runs in four games. Plus, the debut of Dane Dunning and Lucas Giolito’s 13K game. The second half of the show will preview the first Crosstown Classic series in 2020. With both the White Sox and Cubs having winning records these games carry a lot more importance than in recent years. Can the Wh...

i. White Sox Wake Up Call: Aug. 20, 2020

August 20, 2020 10:00 - 8 minutes

Good morning! Here's the rundown: The White Sox triumphed over the Tigers, 5-3; Dane Dunning and Casey Mize pitched weirdly similar lines. The Twins lost while the Indians won; the Tigers and Sox square off again tomorrow afternoon at 1:10 PM CT. Pujols tied another record; a former Sox did well once again... Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

White Sox Wake-Up Call: Aug. 19, 2020

August 19, 2020 10:00 - 7 minutes

Good morning. Here's the rundown: LAST NIGHT: Tim Anderson and the White Sox extended Detroit's misery with a 10-4 victory, although they suffered yet another injury scare with Luis Robert's hand. TONIGHT: Prospect debuts abound, as Dane Dunning squares off against Casey Mize. AROUND THE LEAGUE: The Twins and Indians survive extra innings, the Royals return to action with Matt Harvey in tow, and Boston's pitching is painful. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adcho...

30: White Sox Wake Up Call: August 18th, 2020

August 18, 2020 11:00 - 9 minutes

Good morning. Here's the rundown: RECAP: A homer happy evening in Chicago PREVIEW: The Tigers call up two top young starters. MLB NEWS: The Plesac/Clevinger saga continues. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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