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Crafty Rogues

366 episodes - English - Latest episode: over 1 year ago - ★★★★★ - 33 ratings

The Crafty Rogues is a podcast featuring John Cosgrove and Stephen Quinn.
Cosgrove is from Aghadrumsee in Northern Ireland.
Quinno is from Wollongong in Australia.
Between them they’ve watched/attended/played thousands of games of football/futbol/soccer.
However, they’re just as happy talking about music, movies, food, drink, politics, drink, books, culture, the ex-pat experience, and drink.
The Crafty Rogues, available each week wherever you access your podcasts.
Could be tasty.

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Episodes

The Crafty Rogues: Speaking of attractive I'm John Cosgrove (ep. 147)

June 12, 2019 05:00 - 59 minutes - 27.4 MB

The boys return for another hour of craic and football talk in this week's Crafty Rogues as they discuss the US Women putting up 13 in a match, the England men losing in the Semi Finals (again), and the US Men getting played off the park by Venezuela. Also along the way in this episode John Cosgrove and Stephen Quinn discuss maybe the best opening to the show ever, Minnesota United's loss at the weekend, the upcoming Gold Cup, and the Euro Qualifying taking place this last weekend. Later in t...

The Adrian Heath Show: Colorado match, upcoming Open Cup Match, and looking at the Women's World Cup and Gold Cup

June 10, 2019 05:00 - 47 minutes - 43.9 MB

Adrian Heath and Jamie Watson are back for this week's show to discuss the disappointing loss in Colorado. The duo also the ongoing Women's World Cup, preview the Open Cup match against Sporting KC, and the upcoming Gold Cup.

The Crafty Rogues: You've changed since you got older (ep. 146)

June 06, 2019 05:00 - 55 minutes - 25.6 MB

With Nations League semi-finals, Women's World Cup, and the Gold Cup all on tap the boys have enough football to talk plus the usual amount of craic to fill an hour of fun. Cosgrove and Quinno get festivities started by celebrating the big man's birthday on the day of recording and also discussing Quinno's injury he suffered at the weekend playing cricket. The guys then jump into Minnesota United's 3-2 loss at home before recapping a rather drab Champions League Final. With Nations League sem...

The Adrian Heath Show: Recapping the last 4 games

June 04, 2019 05:00 - 45.7 MB

*Adrian Heath and Jamie Watson are back after a week off, and there's lots to cover, as they recap the last 4 game for the Loons. Later, they Rate Cal's Call.

The Crafty Rogues: We're raising boys not grass (ep. 145)

May 30, 2019 05:00 - 27 MB

The boys return for another cracking effort to discuss all things football. Once the boys sift through the craic they get to discussing the Promotion Playoff finals, the Europa League Final, and previewing the Champions League Final. Cosgrove and Quinno answer your questions before John get's something off his chest in the Just Be Cos segment. Quinno fills in for Producer Jonathan's Big Football Update with all the football gossip he found during the week. The boys close this week's show disc...

The Crafty Rogues: The Bird, Bees, and Dirty Prods (ep. 144)

May 22, 2019 05:00 - 57 minutes - 26.1 MB

It's a raining Tuesday night in Minneapolis as the boys reconvene at Brit's Pub for some craic and football. After some quick catching up the boys jump into some of the stories that have interested them in football in the past couple days. We have a quick chat about Minnesota United beating the Columbus Crew 1-0 at the weekend before reviewing the FA Cup Final. John gives his tips for the Promotion Playoff Finals before he grades every Premier League clubs season (earmuffs Manchester United ...

The Adrian Heath Show: Beating Columbus

May 21, 2019 05:00 - 50 minutes - 21.8 MB

Adrian Heath returns with Jamie Watson this week to talk about the win over Columbus, previewing the Houston match, and Rating Cal's Call.

The Crafty Rogues: You disagree with GQ? (ep. 143)

May 15, 2019 05:00 - 48 minutes - 22.1 MB

The boys are back with a full showing for the first time in a couple weeks and it's time to discuss yet another ending to a Premier League season. The boys catch up after a couple weeks apart before they jump right into the Premier League review. The boys discuss the fitting end to one of the closest Premier League title races in recent memory as well as Manchester United falling on their face and John falling out of love with Arsenal. We also look ahead to the FA Cup Final, Champions and Eur...

The Adrian Heath Show: Saturday Loss and Premier League Wrap Up

May 13, 2019 05:00 - 48 minutes - 43.8 MB

Minnesota United Manager Adrian Heath is back for this week's show to discuss the 2-0 loss to Chicago, the Premier League finishing for the season, and a preview of the upcoming Columbus Crew match.

The Crafty Rogues: There’s always problems and he’s not going to solve them; Special Guest Carl Craig (ep. 142)

May 08, 2019 05:00 - 54 minutes - 24.9 MB

Quinno is still out of town, he'll be back next week, so instead of getting two guys to fill his shoes we just got one and it's a big one, the Carl Craig! Boy oh boy was there plenty to talk about with that thrilling Liverpool comeback against Barcelona just hours before taping as well as the Premier League coming down to the absolute final day. The boys discuss that as well as Minnesota United's 1-1 draw at the weekend with Seattle. Carl made his predictions for some of the scores at the wee...

The Adrian Heath Show: Draw with Seattle and trading Francisco Calvo

May 06, 2019 05:00 - 45 minutes - 41.9 MB

Adrian Heath and Jamie Watson return today to discuss the Loons' draw with Seattle and what the match meant for Ozzie Alonso. They also discuss the big midweek trade of former captain Francisco Calvo.

The Crafty Rogues: Dodgy Geezers (ep. 141)

May 01, 2019 05:00 - 1 hour - 27.4 MB

It's hit summer time on the Crafty Rogues and that means we're back to the Tuesday recording day just in time for the last two weeks of the Premier League season. Quinno is out today for business purposes so Cosgrove is driving the bus with a couple passengers along for the ride in Teague Orgeman of Starting 11 and Andrew from Golden Valley. Cosgrove and Teague chat about how Teague's company has been doing, the last round of Premier League action, and the Tottenham/Ajax match. Due to issues...

The Adrian Heath Show: Zero goals conceded and a home win in two games

April 29, 2019 05:00 - 48 minutes - 44.5 MB

Adrian Heath returns for another week of The Adrian Heath show and this time Jamie Watson is back to host and talk about Minnesota United's 0-0 draw against the LA Galaxy and their 1-0 win over DC United to get their first home win at Allianz Field.

The Crafty Rogues: A whole new level of beige (ep. 140)

April 25, 2019 05:00 - 1 hour - 27.4 MB

The boys return after a night of watching Zlatan in person at Allianz Field. The guys have their reviews of the 4-3 loss by Minnesota United in Toronto and the 0-0 draw last night against the Galaxy. After that Cosgrove and Quinno discuss the weekend's Premier League action before John gives his predictions on the upcoming round of matches in the Premier League and the first leg of the Champions League semi-finals. The boys then answer your questions before John gets something off his chest i...

The Adrian Heath Show: Toronto loss and a double preview for Galaxy and DC United

April 23, 2019 05:00 - 47 minutes - 46.7 MB

Minnesota United Manager Adrian Heath popped in the studio ahead of a busy week for his Loons to discuss the teams disappointing 4-3 loss to Toronto last Friday. Adrian also previewed the two upcoming set of matches against the Galaxy on Wednesday and DC United on Sunday.

The Crafty Rogues: His dismay brings me joy (ep. 139)

April 18, 2019 05:00 - 1 hour - 28.4 MB

What an absolute stunning week of football. From 3-3 at Allianz Field to City/Spurs it's been a joy to watch the beautiful game this week and the boys are back to discuss it all. John Cosgrove and Stephen Quinn open today's show discussing the Grand Opening of Allianz Field and the 3-3 draw between Minnesota United & NYCFC. They then continue the talk about the breathtaking football by moving onto the Champions League and that City/Spurs match that may just be one of the greatest games ever...

The Adrian Heath Show: Special Guest Jon Champion and thoughts on Allianz Field Opening

April 16, 2019 05:00 - 52 minutes - 46 MB

Minnesota United Head Coach Adrian Heath and Sideline Analyst Jamie Watson returned this week after the Grand Opening of Allianz Field to discuss the teams 3-3 draw, their thoughts on the day, and are joined by a very special guest Jon Champion to talk about his experience at Allianz Field.

The Crafty Rogues: This place looks like it was built for football; Special recording from Allianz Field (ep. 138)

April 10, 2019 05:00 - 52 minutes - 24.2 MB

The boys are back and this time from the brand new home of Minnesota United, Allianz Field. In the first episode fit for actual radio airwaves the boys discuss the Loons' impressive victory at the weekend. They then discuss the Premier League action at the weekend before John gives us his predictions for the upcoming round of fixtures. With half the first leg of the Champions League Quarterfinals played we discuss the games that have been played and preview the one yet to be played. A quick...

The Adrian Heath Show: Thoughts on the NYRB win and a look ahead to Allianz Field

April 08, 2019 05:00 - 45 MB

Minnesota United Head Coach Adrian Heath and Sideline Analyst Jamie Watson are back for this week's episode to talk about the teams big 2-1 win over the New York Red Bulls and a look ahead to this weekend's opening of Allianz Field.

The Crafty Rogues: He nearly pulled his wig off (ep. 137)

April 05, 2019 05:00 - 26.7 MB

Cosgrove is back for the full 90 this time and the boys give their opinions on Minnesota United's loss to New England, Tottenham finally opening their new stadium, and how not to refer to a soccer score. The boys kickoff the episode this week talking about John's travels over the past week before they dive into how Minnesota United played at the weekend (hint: not well). We then get their thoughts on the week in Premier League action from Fulham relegating themselves, Manchester United not ...

The Adrian Heath Show: Adrian's thoughts on New England result and a look ahead

April 01, 2019 05:00 - 20.7 MB

Minnesota United Manager Adrian Heath and TV Sideline reporter Jamie Watson discuss the Loons' 2-1 loss to New England at the weekend as well as take a look ahead at games to come.

The Crafty Rogues: Carl is having a conversation with himself; Special Guest Carl Craig (ep. 136)

March 28, 2019 05:00 - 55 minutes - 25.2 MB

We've got a full squad again for the first time in a while with both John and Stephen in this week, for a little while anyways because John takes off in the middle of the show. They also brought along a special guest in Carl Craig! The boys discuss the week in European Qualifying and the USMNT games before we get a helping of Premier League predictions. Before he takes off John gives us a Just Be Cos. You wrote in and the boys answered your letters. Producer Jonathan hopped in for his Big ...

The Crafty Rogues: A bald man and a white haired man walk into a bar; Special Guest Wes Burdine (ep. 135)

March 21, 2019 05:00 - 58 minutes - 26.3 MB

Quinno is off in Vietnam and John brings in bar owner and fellow podcaster Wes Burdine. Wes is the owner of Black Hart of St. Paul, Chairman of the Red Loons, and one of the members of the 55.1 Podcast. John and Wes discuss what it's like owning a bar and what got Wes into soccer. They then dove into the weekends action in the Premier League and FA Cup. You, the listeners, wrote in letters for the guys and they answered, Producer Jonathan hops in with the Big Football Update and we close the ...

The Adrian Heath Show: Adrian returns after being down for the count

March 18, 2019 05:00 - 53 minutes - 46.7 MB

Adrian Heath is back from a week out. Jamie and Adrian discuss what Adrian's been through the past week, United's match in LA, and their Mount Rushmore of lead singers and all-time MLS players.

The Crafty Rogues: I’ve had him on my own. You’ve had him on your own. Now we get to share him; Special Guest: Callum Williams (ep. 134)

March 13, 2019 05:00 - 44 minutes - 19.9 MB

With the 2019 MLS season just underway we thought it a good time to get Callum Williams, tv voice of Minnesota United, to come in and help us preview the season. Producer's Note: Due to scheduling conflicts this week this episode was recorded last week. John Cosgrove and Stephen Quinn welcome in Callum Williams, and even let Producer Jonathan on the mic a little more than normal, to help the guys preview the 2019 MLS and Minnesota United seasons. The guys discuss the new players on Minneso...

The Adrian Heath Show: Ian Fuller

March 11, 2019 05:00 - 46.5 MB

Assistant Coach Ian Fuller fills in for Adrian on today's Adrian Heath Show. Ian's background and history with Adrian. Adrian calls in to the show. Ian's thoughts on what's changed with the team since the NASL days. Ian's Mt. Rushmore of Best Soccer Stadiums & Movies

The Crafty Rogues: That’s all my German in one segment (ep. 133)

March 07, 2019 07:00 - 1 hour - 29.2 MB

Wow! PSG bottle it again in Champions League and the boys return to discuss that and much more on this weeks edition of The Crafty Rogues. The boys open the show complaining about the amount of snow we have with more to come and then get into all the Champions League action over the past two days including the VAR-y thrilling comeback by United. Cosgrove and Quinno then review all the Premier League action from the weekend before we get John's predictions for the weekend. The boys then ans...

The Adrian Heath Show: Season Opening Victory; Miguel Ibarra calls in

March 04, 2019 07:00 - 47.1 MB

Adrian's thoughts on the offseason additions and Season Opening win Miguel Ibarra calls in Top four Loons MLS matches and Top Four TV Shows

The Crafty Rogues: All mouth and no trousers; Marlon Ferrey, Pub Liaison for Liverpool Supporters Club Minneapolis (ep. 132)

February 28, 2019 07:00 - 1 hour - 32.2 MB

With a lot of big issues to discuss the John and Stephen reconvene at Brit's for this edition of The Crafty Rogues! The boys do a quick catch up as John shares a story and Quinno talks about his tour of Minnesota United's Allianz Field. The guys dive into all of the Premier League action since the last episode including Poch losing his mind, Almiron playing very well at the start of his Newcastle career, Brendan Rodgers back in the league, and United's injury ward. The boys don't miss the c...

The Crafty Rogues: I apologize to the 25% I didn’t offend (ep. 131)

February 22, 2019 07:00 - 57 minutes - 26.3 MB

Quinno got straight off the plane and helped us record this latest edition of The Crafty Rogues! The guys catch up a bit and talk about Quinno's trip back home and what he remembers of it. They then dive into the action since we last recorded including Celtic bowing out of Europe easily again, Simeone and his... um parts, and the whole of Stamford Bridge chanting one thing at Sarri during Chelsea's 2-0 defeat to Manchester United. We then get John's predictions for the next bunch of Premier...

The Crafty Rogues: Hello to Conor, Conor, and Coner. Happy 60th Quinno! (ep. 130)

February 13, 2019 07:00 - 1 hour - 28 MB

We're celebrating a monumental occasion this week on The Crafty Rogues... Quinno turns 60! Happy Birthday Mate! On a rare Tuesday taping the boys lament the impossible amount of snow we've had dumped upon us in the past week. The boys then talk about the Champions League matches that were played before taping and give a quick prediction to those that will be played on Wednesday. Then the boys dive back to the weekend action in the Premier League including Ranieri being a bad appointment at ...

The Crafty Rogues: Vodka & Popcorn (ep. 129)

February 07, 2019 07:00 - 1 hour - 27.7 MB

In the midst of the third snowstorm of the week John Cosgrove & Stephen Quinn got together for some Premier League talk and plenty of craic. The boys discussed the ugly win for United, how John is becoming more and more of a Poch fan, and how they're both getting sick of the excuses from Klopp. We get our weekly predictions for the upcoming Premier League action before a look ahead at the Fifth Round of the FA Cup and the Champions League. You sent in letters and the guys answered. John gets ...

The Crafty Rogues: He behaved like a pork chop; Special Guest Callum Williams (ep. 128)

January 31, 2019 07:00 - 1 hour - 35 MB

Let the Crafty Rogues keep you warm with their thoughts and predictions on the Premier League as you hide from the polar vortex that's dropping temps lower than Huddersfield's goal differential. John escaped the cold to head down to Texas so we brought back Minnesota United's TV play-by-play guy Callum Williams. Before jumping into the most recent rounds of Premier League play Quinno and Cal discuss the excitement over the opening of Minnesota United's new ground Allianz Field. The guys tou...

The Crafty Rogues: Not getting the tasty nod from us (ep.127)

January 24, 2019 07:00 - 52 minutes - 23.7 MB

A leaky basement didn't stop John from coming and recording so what's your excuse for not having already listened to this edition of The Crafty Rogues?! Get on with it already! The boys open the show discussing John's new style of intro that threw Quinno off a bit before having a brief conversation about John's bathroom breaking down. They then jump into a review of the Premier League including the mounting pressure on Puel, Salah irritating John, and whether Ranieri was a bad appointment at...

The Crafty Rogues: At what cost do you sell your soul? (ep. 126)

January 18, 2019 07:00 - 57 minutes - 25.7 MB

New branding (SKOR North), new opener (Cosgrove & Quinno don't know what it sounds like), new equipment (one set of headphones doesn't work) it's all going swimmingly for the boys this week. The boys are both back this week despite both being in Phoenix at some point since we last recorded. We jump right into the action talking about the latest round of Premier League play including Manchester United's sixth win on the bounce, John calling Wagner out, and Rafa's troubling Newcastle quote. W...

Introducing the all new SKOR North

January 15, 2019 16:00 - 1.11 MB

Phil Mackey announces some exciting, major changes at 1500, beginning right now! For starters, we’ve got a new name now – SKOR North (and SKORNorth.com)… And an expanded menu of Minnesota sports content across multiple platforms. You’ll be able to find SKOR North LIVE & LOCAL on AM 1500 (between noon & 7 weekdays), starting with a daily Vikings show at NOON on weekdays called Purple Daily. Then you can hear SKOR North Live with Matthew Coller from 2-4p, Mackey and Judd w/ Ramie from 4-6p, an...

We're all seduced by accents; Special Guest Callum Williams (ep. 125)

January 10, 2019 07:00 - 57 minutes - 25.7 MB

Quinno is off in Phoenix this week so John had to find someone who could fill in that big hole in the show and we think he did a pretty good job in getting Minnesota United's TV Play by Play voice Callum Williams. John and Cal open up the show talking about a lad from Birmingham (England NOT Alabama) makes his way over to Minnesota, as well as deal with a lack of good tea over in the states. The boys then jump into all the action that's taken place over the last week including Leicester falli...

It's so quiet you could hear a pint drop (ep. 124)

January 03, 2019 07:00 - 54 minutes - 24.4 MB

The Crafty Rogues are back and recovering from the holidays and have about nine million matches to talk about. The guys quickly run through the Boxing Day action, the weekend action, and the most recent midweek action. We take a look at the upcoming FA Cup games as well as the EFL Cup semifinals taking place. John and Stephen answer your questions. John gets something off his chest in Just Be Cos. Producer Jonathan hops in for the big Football Update and we close the show asking what 2019 wil...

8am and we're at the pub. Nothing wrong with that. Boxing Day Special (ep. 123)

December 26, 2018 07:00 - 1 hour - 30.8 MB

The festive season only continues as the boys meet up bright and early at Brit's to tape a Boxing Day Special edition before the kickoff of the big set of matches. John and Stephen are joined by special guest Carl Craig to review the last round of action, preview the Boxing Day matches as well as the next round of matches. The trio also look back at the season so far and discuss how each squad has done to this point. John gets something off his chest in his Just Be Cos segment. Producer Jonat...

A delicious irony to all of it (ep. 122)

December 20, 2018 07:00 - 51 minutes - 23.6 MB

The holiday season is in full swing but we're not to the point yet of games, seemingly, every other day which gave John Cosgrove and Stephen Quinn just enough time to sit down a talk about the last week of football, as well as share a pint or two. Not sure if you've heard but Jose Mourinho was sacked at Manchester United but we discuss that bit of news along with the recent rash of Carabao Cup matches, the big Everton/Man City match, and the even bigger Liverpool/Man United match at the weeke...

I know he's got a head like a pigeon (ep.121)

December 13, 2018 07:00 - 1 hour - 33.8 MB

Wit so much to discuss the boys couldn't fit it all in the usual 60 minutes of play so we went to Extra Time to fit it all in. John Cosgrove and Stephen Quinn discuss Manchester United being unwatchable, Alisson justifying his price tag, and a fun Premier League this year. The guys also discuss I'm a Celebrity Get Me Out of Here (yep actually happened), MLS Cup's appearance at an Atlanta club, and play a round of wanker or super wanker. All that and more on this bigger, longer, better edition...

Pierogi is a food not a nationality (ep. 120)

December 06, 2018 07:00 - 57 minutes - 26.4 MB

Since we last convened four our own summit the Premier League has played two rounds of games so the guys have plenty to talk about over a couple pints at Brits. The craic was outstanding, if we do say so ourselves, while discussing the end of the Mark Hughs era (hopefully for good), the cracking North London Derby, what the heck was Pickford doing, and Wolves upsetting Chelsea. John Cosgrove and Stephen Quinn answer your emails, John get's something off his chest in Just Be Cos, Producer Jona...

It was fiveplay it was that long (ep. 119)

November 30, 2018 07:00 - 1 hour - 31.1 MB

There's violence in sport, Manchester United are crap, and Neymar is a bit of a prick... so, nothing changed over the holiday break. John came back from his trip home rejuvenated. We open the show discussing the violence down in Argentina over the Copa Libertadores second leg. We chat about Manchester United being crap in the Champions League, as well as the Premier League, then get some predictions from John about this weekend's matches. The guys answer your emails, John gets something off ...

I wasn't burping. I was thinking. (ep. 118)

November 22, 2018 07:00 - 1 hour - 30.6 MB

We've got a full crew again as Stephen is back from the Middle East and driving the bus again. We jump right into the Nations League, as England made it quite exciting. After a quick International Friendlies review we get John's predictions on the upcoming Premier League weekend and Champions League fixtures. The guys answer your emails, John gets something off his chest in Just Be Cos, and Producer Jonathan has the MLS segment. We wrap the show with another round of Your Choice and a look at...

It sounds like my ex-girlfriends are having a fight (ep. 117)

November 15, 2018 07:00 - 1 hour - 28.5 MB

With Quinno off to the Middle East again John is in charge and we're slowing things down a bit this week. John is joined by co-founder of Starting Eleven Teague Ogreman again. This time we're putting Teague in the analysts chair as we discuss the Manchester Derby, Newcastle scoring a goal (two of them actually), and the upcoming International matches. John and Teague sift through the mountain of emails that came in this week. Producer Jonathan drops in for an update on the MLS playoffs and we...

These are loose and sloppy times (ep. 116)

November 08, 2018 07:00 - 58 minutes - 27.1 MB

Election Day is behind us and the boys have some things to say about that and the most recent round of games to take place in all the leagues. Cosgrove and Quinno go off on some weird tangents but eventually we get to the smash and grab by United, the shady money handling of City, and Joe Hart looking really sad. The boys get to your emails, Cosgrove picks out just one of the many Just Be Cos' he had prepared, and Producer Jonathan hops in for a playoff edition of the MLS segment. We finish t...

Le Grand Fromage

November 02, 2018 05:00 - 58 minutes - 27 MB

Vincent Francoual is French. (He's a chef.) John Cosgrove is Irish. (Not a chef.) Stephen Quinn is Australian. (Also not a chef.) It sounds like the set-up for a really bad joke, but it's actually the set-up for a really good podcast. Le Grand Fromage is a fun look at all things food related, through the eyes of a talented professional and two enthusiastic amateurs. And it's 100% gluten free. Enjoy.

I've got news for you sparky the dark isn't coming back (ep. 115)

November 02, 2018 05:00 - 54 minutes - 25.9 MB

We've survived the tricks and treats of Halloween just so we can record the 115th edition of The Crafty Rogues! John and Stephen say a few words of remembrance for the lives lost in the helicopter crash in Leicester this weekend. The guys then get down to the business of reviewing Carabao Cup games, something everybody enjoys, After a quick Premier League review and preview the guys answer your emails. John planned his Just Be Cos on Sunday so you know it's good! Producer Jonathan stops in fo...

Have we alienated America yet? (ep. 114)

October 24, 2018 05:00 - 1 hour - 29.9 MB

The boys didn't win the big billion dollar lottery so they were forced to return to the pub for some craic and just a little football talk. Beside not winning a crap ton of money the boys, Cosgrove and Quinno, talked about Manchester City being all too good for just about everybody, United looking good once they became unshackled, and Newcastle getting worse and worse while fatboy in the owners box looks all too pleased with himself. Quinno held John accountable for his predictions and then J...

I'm disapressed; Germany still disappointing, Gibraltar on top of the world, Eric Dier tackle (ep. 113)

October 19, 2018 05:00 - 1 hour - 29 MB

The boys are back after a week of International games and have plenty of fauna (or is it flaura?) beside them in the Crafty Rogues Private Members Lounge. Despite travelling great distances, Nashville and Duluth, the boys were still able to get up to no good as they discuss Gibraltar climbing the table, Germany continuing to struggle, and Gareth Southgate impressing John. We get a Last Chance Saloon prediction from Cosgrove in the predictions segment that Quinno makes sure to write down to k...

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