This week I got to sit down for a chat with the wonderful Jess MacIntyre and Natalie Moores – aka. the Ant and Dec of the marketing world and Co-Founders of Mac & Moore - the London-based but UK-wide marketing company that counts Now TV and Transport London as well as a roster of female founded businesses as clients.

We discuss everything from how they navigated the process involved in launching a business together as equal partners when Jess had previously been Nat’s boss; why supporting women in business is so much more than sharing an inspirational quote on Instagram (hear hear!) and the steps they’ve taken to incorporate that ethos into the core of their company; to their thoughts on the competition when anyone and everyone could technically market themselves as a service-based specialist online nowadays and how they position themselves in the market as a result. The two also touch upon the traumatic ordeals that they’ve both encountered in their personal lives that have at times meant they were crumbling in private behind the scenes. As Jess says so well, we must learn “to put the oxygen mask on ourselves first” as business owners. As we go on to discuss however, putting that advice into practice isn’t always the easiest thing to do at first…

Since recording this interview, Jess and Nat have become really important women in my life (I'm updating this description in January 2020 FYI!) and this chat will go down as a firm favourite of mine because it came at a time in my life when I really needed to hear what these two had to say. I hope you enjoy it.

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