Saved by the City
108 episodes - English - Latest episode: 4 days ago - ★★★★★ - 97 ratingsRoxy and Katelyn grew up in the white evangelical American heartland. Both were warned moving to a supposed bastion of secular culture would be dangerous to their faith. While navigating a city where people sleep in on Sunday mornings and the chaste motto “true love waits” isn’t a thing, the two have found a renewed, vibrant faith that has been both strengthened and stretched in the metropolis.
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Is My Church a Cult? & Other Spooky Questions + Sam Kestenbaum
October 26, 2022 04:00 - 47 minutesIs this real blood we're drinking? There's an old joke that a religion is a cult plus time. So are we just late comers to a very old cult? Katelyn and Roxy explore this plus all the other scary things — like aging! — in our All Hallow's Eve episode. And religion reporter Sam Kestenbaum joins to talk vampires, mummies, QAnon devotees, and groups with some cult-y vibes (including maybe ... some of the churches we've attended). GUEST: Sam Kestenbaum is a religion reporter who has written for Th...
How Christian Nationalism Became a Main Character in the Midterms + Jack Jenkins
October 19, 2022 08:30 - 51 minutesThe midterms ... truly the spookiest season of them all. Everyone seems to be talking about Christian nationalism right now. The phrase is in the air. And, while, there's plenty of focus on the evangelical vote every election cycle, this is not quite the same. Religion News Service, and especially religion and politics correspondent Jack Jenkins, has long been covering this new iteration of Christian nationalism. So, for this special episode, in the run up to the midterms, Roxy talks with Ja...
Men and Women Can Be Friends! Kinda. Sorta. Maybe. Depends.
October 12, 2022 03:17 - 36 minutesCan men and women just be friends or does the sex always get in the way? Billy Graham and Billy Crystal both seemed to believe the answer was: nope and yes, always. A rare instance of overlap in the evangelical-Hollywood Venn diagram, perhaps. But maybe it shouldn't be? In this episode, Katelyn and Roxy discuss their own friendships with men: when and how they've worked — and why they sometimes haven't. And we explore the vision Christianity offers for non-romantic, opposite sex relationships...
My Utmost Anxiety for His Highest + Charles Marsh
October 05, 2022 05:08 - 47 minutesOh, the pressure of perfection. Is there anyone who reads the Bible with the intensity of an evangelical 12-year-old? So asks Charles Marsh, our guest for this episode and the author of "Evangelical Anxiety: A Memoir." We resonate. Katelyn and Roxy reflect on the amped up nature of an evangelical upbringing, recalling childhood fantasies of martyrdom, the high stakes proposal of eternal salvation or damnation, and Christian bumper stickers. GUEST: Charles Marsh is a professor of religious st...
Why Are Christians Soooo Serious? + Annie F. Downs
September 28, 2022 02:50 - 41 minutesLet's be honest: Christians seem uniquely bad at having a good time. We get it: slippery slopes, dens of iniquity, roads to hell, etc. But maybe we've taken the Puritan instinct a little too far? Made everything that's fun suspect? Maybe it's time to lighten up a bit, look around at all God's created and go delight in it? Well, we'd like to give it a try anyway. This week, "fun coach" Annie F. Downs joins Katelyn and Roxy to go deep on being lighthearted. She makes the case for why fun is ess...
Moore Fame, Less Peace + Beth Moore
August 31, 2022 05:02 - 57 minutesIt all started innocently enough: with evangelistic aerobics. As many famous Christians do, Beth Moore entered ministry with a simple desire: to teach people about Jesus. In the 1980s, that meant choreographing aerobics routines to Contemporary Christian Music. (Think Jazzercise for Jesus.) It also meant teaching a women’s Bible study class at church that quickly mushroomed in size. Soon, Beth was speaking at churches across the country, publishing several best-selling Bible studies, and sta...
The Soul Suck of Christian Fame + William Matthews
August 24, 2022 04:00 - 51 minutesAmerican Idol: Worship Leader Edition. In the past two decades, worship music has dominated the Christian music charts, bringing churches like Hillsong into the evangelical mainstream and making millions through licensing and sold-out concerts. Worshipers come seeking a profound encounter with God and an ecstatic experience. That is often true for the performers as well. But when ministry, commerce, and relationships are blended, it can be hard for industry insiders to stay true to their craf...
'Celebrity Pastor' Is an Oxymoron + Chuck DeGroat
August 17, 2022 04:00 - 46 minutesIs there any hope for toxic celebrity pastors? Stories abound of pastors who started to believe their own hype – and ended up capsizing their church and hurting a lot of people. There are spiritual and relational costs to putting leaders on pedestals. But celebrity dynamics also are bad for pastors themselves. Many find themselves “alone at the top,” without real friendship and accountability, which can foster various addictions and abuses. In the second episode of our summer series, Roxy and...
The Rise of Christian Lady Influencers + Hannah Anderson
August 10, 2022 04:00 - 42 minutesOn booty photos followed by Bible verses… It’s never been easier for women with massive talent to share their work and build a community around it. Social media have democratized the work of teaching and preaching. Instagram, with its aesthetic, aspirational vibes, has proven to be the most popular social media platform for Christian women influencers. In the first episode of a four-part summer series on celebrity in the church (also the topic of Katelyn’s new book), Roxy and Katelyn are jo...
Eat! Drink! Plan the Revolution! + Alissa Wilkinson
June 15, 2022 04:00 - 45 minutesBecause we all need to eat. On this episode, Katelyn and Roxy explore the role of the dinner party in family, friendship and the resistance. Sure, fixing food can be tedious and eating it entirely unglamorous but good food and good drink can also be a spark — a spark for creativity, for reflection, for the best kinds of rich conversation. We are joined by film critic, author and dinner host extraordinaire Alissa Wilkinson for lessons on eating well and living loud. GUEST: Alissa Wilkinson i...
The SBC, Animal Farm & Disneyland + Jonathan Merritt
June 08, 2022 04:00 - 55 minutesWe are one week away from the Southern Baptist Convention's annual meeting and it promises to be an interesting time. Aside from another contentious presidential election, the nation's largest Protestant denomination must also reckon with the explosive findings from a sweeping sex abuse investigation. On this week's episode, Roxy is joined by her good friend and a son of the Southern Baptists, Jonathan Merritt. The two discuss their own SBC upbringings and how it feels to watch your childhoo...
‘My race and gender are not obstacles. They’re gifts.’ + Nikki Toyama-Szeto
May 31, 2022 23:45 - 41 minutesAt the end of 2021, the NY Police Department reported a 361 percent increase in anti-Asian hate crimes since the year prior. New York City is the first place we've lived among so many Asian American neighbors — and the place we've been introduced to the rich diversity of the Asian American experience. Yet, it's also been the place that's opened our eyes to the violence, harmful stereotypes and erasure our AAPI neighbors face. On this episode, Katelyn and Roxy talk with Nikki Toyama-Szeto abou...
When Did Being Good Get So Dang Hard? + Sandra Maria Van Opstal
May 25, 2022 04:33 - 46 minutesRecycle. Upcycle. Bicycle. Look, most of us really want to be good, ethical people. We want to make the world a better place. We want our clothes to be sustainably made by people receiving fair wages. We don't want the ocean to be full of plastic islands. And we'd rather chickens roamed free of cages. But the complexities of our modern, globalized world make being a good person more difficult than ever. Honestly, it can feel overwhelming! And discouraging! Katelyn and Roxy talk with Sandra M...
Don’t Tell Us CRT Is the Problem
May 18, 2022 04:00 - 44 minutes - 41.2 MBOver the weekend, news broke of another mass shooting, this time in Buffalo, New York. The shooting took place at a grocery store in a predominantly Black neighborhood. 10 people were killed and three others injured. The 18 year old gunman had a racial slur written on the barrel of his gun and livestreamed the shootings. Later, his 180 page manifesto was discovered, which was filled with white supremacist conspiracy theories. Just the day before, we had sat down with historian Jema...
Don’t Tell Us CRT Is the Problem + Jemar Tisby
May 18, 2022 04:00 - 48 minutesOver the weekend, news broke of another mass shooting, this time in Buffalo, New York. The shooting took place at a grocery store in a predominantly Black neighborhood. 10 people were killed and three others injured. The 18 year old gunman had a racial slur written on the barrel of his gun and livestreamed the shootings. Later, his 180 page manifesto was discovered, which was filled with white supremacist conspiracy theories. Just the day before, we had sat down with historian Jemar Tisby to ...
From Hymns to Hillsong and Back Again + Leah Payne & David Gungor
May 11, 2022 04:10 - 55 minutes[acf field="sbtc-embed"] [acf field="podcast-link-buttons"] Lift your hands up to the sky. Whether "Shout to the Lord," gives you nostalgic warm fuzzies or sends a chill up your spine, if you've ever owned a WOW CD, this episode is for you. For many who grew up in evangelical spaces, the music was as defining as any sermon or youth group Bible study. There was the worship music on Sundays, the Christian ska for Friday nights and, if you like REM, maybe check out Newsboys? Katelyn and Roxy gre...
Why Deconstruction Isn't Enough + Candice Marie Benbow
May 04, 2022 04:00 - 44 minutesWe need to stop playing hit and run with people's faith. Deconstructing. Dismantling. Decolonizing. The last several years have felt like all the Ds all the time. It's, well, disorienting, destabilizing, dismaying ... OK, you get the picture. The point is: we're all feeling a little shaky as we try to navigate tough questions that often cut to the heart of what we thought we believed. On this episode, Katelyn and Roxy talk with author and theologian Candice Marie Benbow who has some strong wo...
Hillsong and the Scourge of V-Necked Pastors
April 27, 2022 04:00 - 34 minutesWhat the holy heck is happening at Hillsong? The last six weeks have seen a seesaw of scandalous revelations between Hillsong U.S. and Hillsong Australia. The resignation of global senior pastor Brian Houston after revelations of sexual indiscretion. The discovery of allegations of rape by a junior staffer against a former pastor. The departure of several prominent U.S. pastors and Hillsong affiliated churches. A not-so-flattering documentary. And then the leaked report of the Hillsong NYC in...
How to Live Like an Actual Human + Andy Crouch
April 20, 2022 04:00 - 47 minutesWhen did you last feel really alive? Chances are you weren't holding a phone at the time. Maybe it was the pandemic. Or maybe it was inevitable. But we've started to notice, with increasing alarm, that our attention spans are shrinking, our imaginations feel parched, scrolling has become the default during any downtime. On this episode, Katelyn and Roxy take an honest look at the ways life has begun to feel diminished — even as our devices offer more and more. We are joined by Andy Crouch, a ...
We're Jaded on Romance... But Should We Be? + Faitth Brooks
April 13, 2022 04:00 - 41 minutesIt's rough out there. It might be twitterpated season, but we're not feeling the love. We've spent most of our adulthood single and, truth is, we're kinda settling in. Life is full and meaningful. We've got plans. Is it worth holding space for the possibility of love? On this episode, Katelyn and Roxy gauge our hope-o-meters when it comes to romance, find them rather on the low side and go in search of a hope infusion. Enter: Faitth Brooks. Faitth gives us a glimpse into her pandemic rom-com ...
God Is Not Your Sky Daddy. + Krispin Mayfield
April 06, 2022 04:01 - 46 minutesNot your therapist either. It's been said (by A.W. Tozer) that what you think about God might just be the most important thing about you. But where do our ideas about God come from? In this episode, Katelyn and Roxy do a little prodding at our conceptions of God and where we got them (a harder task than you might think!). And we're joined by a therapist, of course. Krispin Mayfield is a licensed professional counselor who explores the intersections of faith and attachment science. Krispin exp...
We Ditched Purity Culture. But What's Next? + Christine Emba
March 30, 2022 04:15 - 42 minutesWe're not looking for a rebound. We've talked a lot — both on and off the podcast — about purity culture. We've critiqued the way it treated our bodies, our sexuality and even our futures. It's taken work (and some therapy!) to untangle many of the deeply toxic lessons of purity culture from our views on sex. But here's the thing: after purity culture, we're not totally sure where to turn for a better alternative. Mainstream sexual ethics are confusing, without a script and quickly changing. ...
We Worked at Christianity Today. And We Have Thoughts About the New Report.
March 23, 2022 04:03 - 39 minutesEt tu, CT? Nary a week seems to go by these days without revelations of leaders behaving badly in Christian organizations. Last week, the headlines hit close to home when a new report came out from the the flagship evangelical magazine — and our former workplace — detailing a history of sexual harassment going unchecked within Christianity Today's leadership. The report was heartbreaking to read — and yet not entirely surprising for either of us. In this episode, we react to the report and r...
Did the Pandemic Make Me a Jerk?
March 16, 2022 02:34 - 40 minutesI can't go in. Nobody is wearing a mask. Look, pandemic polarization was a real thing. We all saw it: school board blow ups, fist fights on air planes, anti-vax protests at state capitols. But for most of us, the fallout was more personal, closer to home. We felt conflicted over whether to attend a friend's wedding. Our parents cancelled Christmas — or didn't. An aunt is no longer on speaking terms with a cousin over vaccine differences. But do you ever worry ... maybe all those judgment call...
Philip Yancey on the Blessing of Deconstruction
December 22, 2021 05:01 - 48 minutesPhilip Yancey was deconstructing before deconstructing was cool. Much ado has been made in recent weeks about deconstruction — particularly from pastors and leaders who decry it as "trendy" or a slippery slope to sin. On this episode, Katelyn and Roxy discuss their own experiences questioning the Christian faith, the evangelical church and the teachings handed down to them from both pulpit and pen. They are joined by author Philip Yancey, something of an evangelical darling himself, whose boo...
Am I a New Yorker Yet?
December 15, 2021 05:00 - 38 minutesIt's an age-old question for transplants the world over — at what point does your chosen city become home? It's that time of year — when the holly is hung and the carols are sung and the wayward wanderers return from places far flung. There's nothing like going home for the holidays to make a person wonder where they really belong. In this week's episode, Katelyn and Roxy discuss how New York City has come to feel like home ... but so too does Ohio and Colorado. How do we create a new home as...
The Punk Rock Spirit of the Virgin Mary
December 08, 2021 05:10 - 45 minutesMary did you know we'd soften all your hard edges? Temper your anger? Moderate your radicalism? To be a woman has always meant being caught between expectation and reality — between all that society says you should be and all that you believe you are not. In this episode, Katelyn and Roxy ask themselves what they like about being women — and how embracing those qualities can be revolutionary. They are joined by author Kaya Oakes to talk about how women — past and present — are so often being ...
7 Events That Shaped Our Evangelical Identity
December 01, 2021 15:56 - 51 minutesSeven is a holy number, after all. Growing up evangelical in the 1990s meant purity rings and teen study Bibles and focusing on the family. But it also meant participating in activities and events that were part of larger cultural forces we were very unaware of at the time. Katelyn and Roxy reflect back on the seminal moments of their own evangelical journeys in the late 20th and early 21st century — and examine how those events not only shaped them, but evangelicalism writ large. GUESTS: A ...
Our History Books Were Missing Some Chapters
November 24, 2021 08:04 - 40 minutesLet's rewind. Thanksgiving may still be a favorite holiday, but its origin myths have long since been revealed to be just that: myths. But those myths are more than just cute children's stories, they are dangerous erasures of people groups, cultures and the violent atrocities committed against them. On this episode, Katelyn and Roxy reflect on what they did — and did not — learn about the Indigenous people groups who have populated the places they've called home. Terry Wildman joins the episo...
How To Help Your Homeless Neighbors — Really
November 17, 2021 06:07 - 46 minutes"Every day someone asks me for money. And I never know what to do." Living in a big city offers daily encounters with those who are experiencing homelessness. Seeing neighbors who are sleeping on the streets, pleading for something to eat and taking refuge on subway trains is an ever-present heartbreak — and one that can lead to despair as the situation feels so beyond our ability to help. Homelessness is on the rise around the country, and in this episode, Katelyn and Roxy ask: What can we a...
This One's for the Lonely
November 10, 2021 03:44 - 43 minutesThere's an art to being alone in a crowd — that doesn't mean it's always pretty. New York City may be jam packed with people, but it's also been referred to as "The Lonely City." In this episode, Katelyn and Roxy talk about living alone — the good, the bad and the ugly cries. But loneliness isn't just for the single folks out there — survey after survey has observed an uptick in people describing themselves as lonely. Ekemini Uwan joins to discuss the difference between solitude and lonelines...
Weathering the Age of Rage
November 03, 2021 04:00 - 41 minutesPick up the phone. Scroll, scroll, scroll. Angry tweet. Delete. Repeat. The name of the game in public discourse these days seems to be "outrage." The polarized language from pulpit to podium to facebook post underlines just how divided our society has become. Is it possible to stay centered in an age of extremes? On this episode, Katelyn and Roxy are joined by political analyst Kirsten Powers. No stranger to conflict and not one to shy away from a debate, Kirsten began to wonder if constant ...
Demons! Demons Everywhere!
October 27, 2021 04:00 - 38 minutesDon't panic ... but it's Satan's holiday! A parade of ghouls, ghosts and ghastly horrors, Halloween is viewed as more trick than treat by many evangelicals. It's the devil's play day, after all, and the demonic is no joke. Katelyn and Roxy take a spin down memory lane, recalling childhood fall festivals, teenage Hell Houses and the ever present threat of The Rapture. Oh, and what was up with that whole Satanic Panic thing? Tyler Huckabee joins in on the nostalgia, dredging up a few of his own...
When Church Hurts Like Hell
October 20, 2021 08:22 - 42 minutesWhat is it about church wounds that hit so hard? Toxic church cultures. Spiritual abuse. #ChurchToo. Religious trauma. The last few decades have given us a new language and a new awareness for an ancient sin — wielding the power of religion for unholy ends. Over a lifetime spent in the church, Katelyn and Roxy have experienced and witnessed their share of unhealthy spiritual cultures. And as religion journalists, they've heard countless stories of spiritual abuse, toxic leadership, racism in ...
Wanna Get a Read on Somebody? Check Out Their Bookshelf
October 13, 2021 04:00 - 39 minutesI finished a book! Where's my personal pan pizza? Katelyn and Roxy are certified bookworms — and that particular inclination goes back a long ways. In this episode, the two hosts talk about the books that shaped them as children. How reading turned into a lifelong love affair. And why reading is more than a hobby; it's a powerful worldview-shaping exercise. You are what you read, after all. Voracious reader Danté Stewart explains how reading widely — and far outside his own perspective and ex...
Meet the 'King of Weird Christian Twitter'
October 06, 2021 04:00 - 39 minutes"That's what she prayed." Who doesn't love a good inside joke? Even better when a couple hundred, or a couple thousand, people are in on it. Welcome to Weird Christian Twitter: a group of evangelical and exvangelical misfits who share a lifetime of common memories and cultural touchpoints — from sword drills, to youth group lock-ins, to CCM crushes and True Love Waits pledges. On this episode, we do a deep dive into #WCT and the online community that's formed via a collective, albeit mostly g...
Amy Grant and What We Demand of Famous Women
September 29, 2021 04:00 - 40 minutesOh baby, baby it's the Queen of Christian pop. Saved By the City returns for season two! So grab your leopard print blazer, roll down your windows and get ready to be all up in your feels. It's been 30 years since Amy Grant released Heart in Motion – the chart-topping album that marked the musician's crossover from contemporary Christian artist to mainstream pop icon. Katelyn and Roxy catch up with the artist at her Nashville farm and talk to their childhood icon about living life in the publ...
Season Two Trailer!
September 22, 2021 18:35 - 3 minutesWe're back! Hang on to your WWJD bracelets, and strap in for Season Two! We'll be tackling everything from Christian fame, to making friends and fighting loneliness, and an oral history of modern evangelical culture - complete with seashells! Join us every Wednesday as we tromp through the ups and downs of Big City Christianity.
Summer Travel Series: Nashville with Kat Armas
September 01, 2021 02:19 - 45 minutesPut on your fancy pants and join us at the Grand Ole Opry! We're headed south to Nashville, Tennessee: country music Mecca and Christian hipster capital of the world. In a bonus summer series, Roxy goes on a journey to see what's what for seekers in other great cities, exploring the spiritual side of four favorite metropolises. Our final city is Nashville and our master of ceremonies is Kat Armas. Kat is a fresh transplant to Nashville and gives us her first impressions of the Music City. We ...
Summer Travel Series: Melbourne with Devi Abraham
August 25, 2021 04:11 - 41 minutesIn a bonus summer series, Roxy goes on a journey to see what's what for seekers in other great cities, exploring the spiritual side of four favorite metropolises. This week we're off to Melbourne with Devi Abraham, who gives us the lowdown on the Land Down Under. Devi takes us on a tour of the oft-voted "most livable city in the world" and its richly diverse population — and food scene. We compare notes on evangelicalism, purity culture and finding community in a new city. And, yeah, we talk ...
Summer Travel Series: Los Angeles with Laura Tremaine
August 18, 2021 04:00 - 41 minutesLet's head west — on the iconic American road trip over the mountains and through the desert to that magical land of the silver screen and the swaying palms: Los Angeles. In a bonus summer series, Roxy goes on a journey to see what's what for seekers in other great cities, exploring the spiritual side of four favorite metropolises. This week we hit up Hollywood, and the star of our show is Laura Tremaine. Laura takes us behind the scenes of one of America's most storied cities as we explore b...
Summer Travel Series: London with Chine McDonald
August 11, 2021 07:00 - 42 minutesTake a trip with us across the pond to the Swinging City, the Old Smoke, London Town. In a bonus summer series, Roxy goes on a journey to see what's what for seekers in other great cities, exploring the spiritual side of four favorite metropolises. First up is London, hosted by our top-notch tour guide, Chine McDonald. Chine takes us through some of the twists and turns (and down a few of the dark alleys) of Christianity — and evangelicalism — in England. She gives us a glimpse into navigatin...
Deconstructed. Deconverted. Not Defriended.
June 09, 2021 04:24 - 44 minutesLife is long. Spiritual journeys are winding. Sometimes there are mushrooms. Plenty has been written about the rise of the so-called nones, those who are unaffiliated with any faith tradition. Many of them were once Christians. But behind the stats are millions of stories and spiritual journeys. Behind the stats are more than a few of our friends. In this episode, we reflect on those who have left the faith: why they left, how to learn from them and what it takes to stay friends. Audrey Assad...
Dear Purity Culture: It's Not Me, It's You
June 02, 2021 09:35 - 48 minutesWe pledged the pledge. We made the promise. Purity culture failed to deliver. What now? Purity culture was at its height while we were growing up — and the teachings made an impact. But what to do now, decades later, when the promises and threats of purity culture no longer hold the same sway? And when the harms appear to so dramatically outweigh any good? In this episode, we wrestle with what a "Christian" sexual ethic really looks like — long after the teenage hormones have abated. Christin...
Don't Let Robots Choose Your Soulmate
May 26, 2021 08:00 - 44 minutesHow come nobody has a 'meet cute' anymore? Gone it seems are the days of accidentally brushing a stranger's hand while you both reach for the single copy of the same book at the library, only to lock eyes and "just know." Algorithms have replaced butterflies. And swiping right so rarely leads to starry eyes. In this episode, Katelyn and Roxy ask: is it even possible to meet someone in real life anymore? Enter: Heather Thompson Day, the "queen of matchmaking," who weighs in with some much need...
Shattering Glass Ceilings … and Glass Steeples
May 12, 2021 08:00 - 45 minutesChristians will listen to a woman on TV but not a woman in the pulpit. What's up with that? We grew up seeing plenty of examples of women in power suits — from Hollywood to Wall Street, they were shattering glass ceilings and defying expectations. This new cultural norm fed big dreams and big ambitions for girls coming of age in the 1980s and '90s. But the 2000s have revealed a darker reality — from wage gaps to sexual harassment, the workplace for women is still far from ideal. Beyond that, ...
Fiercely Feminist. Faithfully Christian.
May 05, 2021 08:00 - 38 minutesWife? Nope. Mother? Nope. Great cook? Well ... working on it. We both grew up in homes that felt more egalitarian — there wasn't an emphasis on gender roles or an elevation of a "traditional" family model. However, somewhere along the way, we began to encounter ideas from church and Christian culture about what a "godly" woman looked like. This maven of domesticity kept a clean home, a well-fed brood and a satisfied spouse. She was queen of her home but submissive to her husband. And she was ...
Slowing Down in the City That Never Sleeps
April 28, 2021 04:03 - 50 minutesThings NYC is: fast, impatient, loud, exciting, sparkly, instantly gratifying. Things it is not: a monastery. When we moved here, we heard from a lot of evangelical friends and family that New York City could be damaging to our faith. Most of their warnings had to do with how secular and hedonistic the city is — all those worldly temptations. But, honestly, what we've found most wearing on our faith is the pace and noise of the city. Both of us long for and value a robust interior spiritual ...
White Women Aren't Being Called Out, They're Being Called In
April 21, 2021 08:00 - 51 minutesNYC is an incredibly diverse city — it's also an incredibly divided one. In the wake of so much racial reckoning in this country, Katelyn and Roxy wrestle with their role as white women. What does it mean for white women to be good allies in anti-racist work (without centering themselves)? The hosts speak with author, activist and teacher Lisa Sharon Harper about how to “show up” for conversations on race and Katelyn and Roxy take on her assignment to understand their own family history. Ever...
Does God Care About Fashion?
April 14, 2021 04:00 - 41 minutesIn New York, it's easy to feel behind on all the fashion trends. (Even during a pandemic, some people out walking their dog have way cooler sweats than you.) NYC fashion is certainly fabulous, but is it as meaningless as chasing after the wind? Fashion journalist Whitney Bauck tells us why clothing is about so much more than the runway — and why thrifting might be the future.