Rock Candy
160 episodes - English - Latest episode: about 3 years ago - ★★★★★ - 78 ratingsJoin Ashleigh and Maggie every week for sweet treats of stories from the world of music. They cover anything from album reviews, to stories about the artists, to music news, and some fun general drunken banter. Expect to hear about artists of old and new, spanning many genres, all while drinking a variety of brews! Proud part of Pantheon - the podcast network for music lovers.
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Episode 154: Sia - Peak Big Pharma
March 10, 2021 03:33 - 1 hourFirst she tried to make a name for herself as a singer. Then she tried to make one as a songwriter. And now, she's both. Sia has been around a lot longer than most might realize, getting her start in the late 90s and quickly realizing that being on stage caused some real anxiety. Soon she would fall down the path of drugs and alcohol, yet still be one of the hardest working and most creative musicians in the pop world. We tell her story from childhood to now; the trauma that let to some bad c...
Episode 153: "Mama" Cass Elliot - We All Have Worms
March 03, 2021 03:31 - 1 hourKnown for her powerful vocals in the group the Mamas and the Papas, Mama Cass is one of the overlooked women in rock. In fact, don't call her mama, she didn't like it. We tell her tale, how she used her sharp wit and charisma to get her foot into the door of the music world, despite it wanting nothing to do with a fat woman. We rage over har unfair treatment and sympathize with her many efforts to lose weight and fit into a society that didn't deserve her. But at the end of it all, she needs ...
Episode 152: Chaka Khan - I Feel Like I'm Pregnant
February 24, 2021 02:44 - 1 hourSince the 1970's this woman has been wowing the people with her amazing voice and charisma. Chaka Khan helped to bring women of color to the forefront of rock, funk, R&B, you name it, she can do it all. But it wasn't a straightforward path from her childhood that led her to music. It was a rebellious adolescence, the civil rights movement, second wave feminism, countless missteps with drugs and alcohol, and her sense of adventure that has made her the woman she is today. From her time with Ru...
Episode 151: John Lennon Part 2 - Art Student Meet Cute
February 16, 2021 23:52 - 1 hourWe're wrapping up our Beatlestravaganza with the later years of Mr. John Lennon. We really rip open the onion that is this complicated human and discuss how to truly separate the artist from the art. We also realize that each Beatle tells the same story, but completely differently and talk about how being a rad dad reflects poorly on the kids. Here we are at the end, and we feel pretty confident that our opinions on these 4 are pretty solid. And we never want to read another book about them. ...
Episode 150: John Lennon Part 1 - I Promise It Was Pirates
February 10, 2021 02:51 - 1 hourWe finish up our Beatles' tales with John, the most controversial of the Fab 4. A ball of contradictions, this guy is very difficult to figure out. And for good reason. In this episode we look deep into his upbringing and his problematic family who made him the person he became. From a wonderful mother who encouraged him to find his voice in music, to a cold hearted aunt who kept him away from any joy he could find. Tragedy would push this man into the world of music where he would his footin...
Episode 149: Paul McCartney Part 2 - The Apple Survey
February 03, 2021 01:30 - 1 hourThis episode we take a look at Paul's career after The Beatles, well, and also the long drawn out process he started when publicly announcing their disbandment. That wouldn't be his only group project though, soon he and his wife Linda would start Wings, who would also bring him to heights of fame. We talk a lot about the relationships he kept and through them discover that he's a pretty good guy and still to this day makes pretty good music, too! Want to support your favorite beer drinkin’ b...
Episode 148: Paul McCartney Part 1 - Play That Nasty Jazz
January 27, 2021 00:49 - 1 hourHere we begin our story on one half of the legendary Lennon-McCartney songwriting duo. Paul is a man built with charisma and determination, someone who doesn't understand no and works hard for his success. But he has had his hurdles to jump along the way, meeting each challenge with his business savvy and positive thinking. We go through his early days, how he got into music, and the relationships that saw him in and out of The Beatles. Want to support your favorite beer drinkin’ babes? Check...
Episode 147: George Harrison Part 2 - It's Not For You
January 19, 2021 22:00 - 1 hourIn this episode we take a look at the rest of George's legacy, with a few tidbits from his time in the Beatles and beyond. Not only was music important to him, but his spirituality was a driving factor in many things that he did. There will be some relationships that fail, and others that will save his life. And towards the end of his life, the really important people will come through one more time to help create and celebrate his work. Want to support your favorite beer drinkin’ babes? Chec...
Episode 146: George Harrison Part 1 - A Lovely Structure
January 13, 2021 02:57 - 1 hourKnown as the "silent Beatle", George Harrison was the youngest member of the band, but that didn't mean he had a lack of any talent. The true dark horse of The Beatles, some of their biggest hits would be penned by this man. But for now we're going to tell you about baby George, how he came to play guitar, join the biggest pop group of all time, and got into plenty of mischief along the way. Want to support your favorite beer drinkin’ babes? Check out our Patreon! Listen to all the great podc...
Episode 145: Ringo Starr - Ringle Dingle 'Em
January 06, 2021 00:25 - 1 hourWe're taking the next several weeks to look at each Beatle as an individual, and we're starting with someone who raises different controversy than the other three. Ringo Starr has to be one of the most underrated musicians in history. One would think his inclusion in the biggest band of all time would earn him more respect than it did. In this episode we go into Ringo's past, how he got his name, ended up in The Beatles, and spent a majority of his life outside of that unforgettable band. And...
Episode 144: Top of the Rocks 2020 - Give Em The Slap
December 16, 2020 00:17 - 1 hourIt's time to close up another year, this one being much spicier than others. But we still want to give you our top 10 songs that we heard this year. And in true Rock Candy fashion, Maggie keeps it dancey while Ashleigh keeps it metal. We get properly drunk and go on our usual tangents about musicians that we love, those that we hate, lament the concerts missed, and hail our true savior, beer/cider. Thank you to each and every one of you lovely listeners out there. This year has been a lot for...
Episode 143: Interview with Enoch "Skeeter" Thompson of Scream
December 09, 2020 01:25 - 1 hourThis week we have the pleasure to present our interview with Enoch "Skeeter" Thompson, known for his place in the DC hardcore punk scene in the band Scream (you may remember them as the group Dave Grohl was a part of before Nirvana). Back in the late 70's, Enoch joined up with his friends Franz, Kent, and Peter based around their common ground of music. Scream came soon after, the first band to release a full length album on Dischord records. We discuss the community of the DC punk scene in t...
Episode 142: The B-52's - There Ya Go!
December 01, 2020 23:11 - 1 hourThis week we want to shine a light on one a band whose true talents get overlooked. The B-52's may seem like just your standard party band, but they are so much more than that. Their technically sound instrumentation mixed with quirky lyrics run much deeper than a simple song about piling into a massive car for a road trip to a cabin. This band worked hard and put in the time and made the connections, earning them a rightful place in music history throughout the decades. And along the way the...
Episode 141: Music in Society - I Guess The Kids Aren't Alright
November 24, 2020 23:56 - 1 hourThis week we delve into the age old question, does music actually have any influence on the people that commit crimes? (Spoiler: no) We tell the tale of the TWO stories that Pearl Jam's infamous single 'Jeremy' is based on and it's cultural impact. From there we go into a few well known instances where rock music was blamed for influencing the youth to cause chaos and harm to the world around them. From Columbine to the current cancel culture, many musicians have felt the ire and grief of par...
Episode 140: Nine Inch Nails Part 2 - Writes Good Music, Rescues Greyhounds
November 18, 2020 01:01 - 1 hourIn this episode we continue down the spiral of Nine Inch Nails' story. We cover the latter half of their career, starting with the end of last century, where Trent and his collaborators brought a new sound and vision to their fans. Addictions and depression still threaten to bring down the whole operation and Trent has to make some tough choices to keep the integrity of his music yet still bring it to the masses. We also touch on the projects that end up making him a bigger name than just as ...
Episode 139: Nine Inch Nails Part 1 - Angry Janitor
November 11, 2020 01:03 - 1 hourWe start to tell the tale of the band that brought industrial music to the mainstream, or more specifically, the man. Nine Inch Nails is Trent Reznor, a kid from the midwest who knew there was more out there for him than corn fields and quiet communities. But his journey was a real personal struggle, and his music makes that plain to see. Trent worked hard on his craft to the point where it became all consuming. He saw the apathy and despair in the world and found it brought him down as well,...
Episode 138: Pat Benatar - Go Sit In The Parking Lot
November 03, 2020 23:59 - 1 hourThis week we finally cover a true feminist rock icon. Pat Benatar didn't believe she needed to compromise her values just to sell a record. And since her fame exploded in the 80's, she has been influencing people all around the world to do the same. We discuss where her iconic looks came from, how her band helped her to create the perfect kind of rock to go with her operatic voice, and of course all the garbage her label put her through along the way. Take some time and listen as we celebrate...
Episode 137: Halloween Playlist III - with Special Guests Jukebox Zeroes!
October 27, 2020 23:58 - 1 hourIt's the most wonderful time of the year - HALLOWEEN! And we are once again doing our classic Halloween playlist, but this time, not alone. We bring in Pat and Lilz from the podcast Jukebox Zeroes for the fun. Join us for in depth conversations about great Halloween songs, aquariums, delicious thematic beers, the true meaning of Halloween, mourn the continued loss of lime skittles, and so much more! Ashleigh finally discusses her beef with Ghost and Maggie likes ska. Everyone drinks too much,...
Episode 136: Elvira - Never Gonna Get A Ring From Count Chocula
October 20, 2020 21:32 - 1 hourWe decided to pick up this Halloween season with a story a bit more fun and inspiring than previous ones. You may not realize the role and influence Elvira has played in music, but it's there and it's heavy. Not only an icon for all things spooky, she is also a smart and strong babe of a woman who can bring a smile to anyone's face with her campy humor. Enjoy some funny anecdotes, a couple hard times, and overall a heartwarming story about the Mistress of the Dark herself, Elvira. We have mer...
Episode 135: True Crime in Music II - 24/7 Existential Crisis
October 14, 2020 02:28 - 1 hourWe are continuing Halloween month by bringing back true crime stories, involving people in the music biz who have abused their power and influence and try to get away with some of the most heinous crimes. We tell the tales of two absolutely influential producers- first we discuss Lawrence Horn, famous for developing new layering techniques and his work with Motown. Then we give full details on a producer we mentioned recently, Phil Spector. Both may have done some amazing work that changed th...
Episode 134: GG Allin- The King of BTFU
October 07, 2020 00:06 - 1 hourWe are kicking off Halloween month with a pretty horrifying story. GG Allin's life was terrible from the get-go, and it didn't get any better as he grew up. Some think he was a legendary performer, while others see his on stage antics as downright criminal (cause they were). His unbelievable actions on and off the mic have influenced the punk scene for years beyond his death. There were many factors that went into this infamous musician, who preferred to call himself a rock n roll terrorist. ...
Episode 133: The Ramones Part3 - Johnny, Angry Johnny
September 30, 2020 00:19 - 1 hourIn this episode we conclude the story about our lovable goons, The Ramones! After all they've been through, you'd think they were invincible, but alas, this band does decide to call it quits. But not before they have a few more wild adventures and make a few more killer tunes. Hear about the many conflicts that forced them into calling it quits as well as what happened to the boys after it was all said and done. We have merch! Check out the Rock Candy Teespring Store now! Visit Adam & Eve and...
Episode 133: The Ramones Part 3 - Johnny, Angry Johnny
September 30, 2020 00:19 - 1 hourIn this episode we conclude the story about our lovable goons, The Ramones! After all they've been through, you'd think they were invincible, but alas, this band does decide to call it quits. But not before they have a few more wild adventures and make a few more killer tunes. Hear about the many conflicts that forced them into calling it quits as well as what happened to the boys after it was all said and done. We have merch! Check out the Rock Candy Teespring Store now! Want to support your...
Episode 132: The Ramones Part 2 - Getting To Know You Gun Play
September 23, 2020 02:20 - 1 hourThe second installment of the Ramones story is filled with the stuff of rock n' roll legend. We explain their influence on UK punk, get more in depth about the band mates contrasting personalities, and give audible shock and awe at the shenanigans that were pulled when they worked with Phil Spector. They're working hard to get the notoriety they crave, but coming up short every time. When will they catch a break? Just listen in to see. We have merch! Check out the Rock Candy Teespring Store n...
Episode 131: The Ramones Part 1 - Embrace The Goon
September 16, 2020 01:16 - 1 hourIt's time to come in with another heavy hitter in the world of music! The Ramones are a beloved part of rock history, but they weren't always viewed that way. From the very beginning, their career was filled with bumps and challenges. But they continued to work hard to create a sound that we hadn't really heard before. In this part we give you the background of each member, how they got together, where the name came from, and how they managed to get signed to release their first album. Listen...
Episode 130: Anvil - He Was A Lunchman
September 01, 2020 23:57 - 1 hourSit back and be prepared for a true underdog story this week! You've heard us talk about the satire that is Spinal Tap, but are you ready to hear the tale of the real life Spinal Tap? Anvil is one of the originators of Speed Metal and you probably never even heard of them. We explain how their naivety mixed with the dark side of the music biz stopped them from reaching the heights of success that are expected with such talent. Let's take a break from unfortunate events and doom and gloom to h...
Episode 129: NOW That's What I Call Music! Vol 4 - Shake Your Sad, White Ass
August 19, 2020 04:49 - 2 hoursIt's that time of the year again! When we celebrate the oppressive summer days by getting drunk and jamming out to the songs of our youth, most of which we hate. We take you into each track, most of which very much a product of their time, and give you the story behind the songs and the artists who wrote them. Because let's be honest, we're not doing episodes on a good portion of these artists. Come back in time with us, won't you? Hear our hot takes on each tune and how we reverse the tables...
Episode 128: This Is Spinal Tap - with Special Guest Writer's Bagel Basket
August 05, 2020 01:16 - 1 hourThis episode we decide to turn to comedy in these spicy times and talk about the good times that is This Is Spinal Tap. We got some music trivia about the actors playing the band members, some quirky stories about how we ended up with some of the funniest scenes, and a few tangets of our own. In the end we have talk about the elephant in the room- Is Spinal Tap a real band? We are joined by good friend of the podcast, Scott, the host of Writer's Bagel Basket! He brings us little nuggets of tr...
Episode 127: Talkin' Butt Rock - with special guests Make It Stop!
July 22, 2020 01:36 - 2 hoursJust when things couldn't get worse- butt rock happened. One of the most polarizing styles of music to exist, sometimes loved, but mostly despised. Or at least an easy target to get dunked on. This episode, we have in-depth discussions about what it means to be butt rock. Why is it reviled and what is redeemable about it? Could it have something to do with the DBE (Big Dirtbag Energy) or is it just daddy issues? How many post grunge bands should be categorized as butt rock? All these question...
Episode 126: No Doubt's Tragic Kingdom - Skrog Rock
July 08, 2020 02:08 - 1 hourThis album was not No Doubt's first rodeo, but it was certainly the one to put them on the map. Listen through it with us and see how it still holds up. The 90's nostalgia is strong in this one, but in all the right ways. We discover how very much Gwen Stefani wants to get married, how the band stepped up their game despite their leader quitting, and how this is a modern day version of the album Rumors. Maggie spends most of the time being constantly reminded on how she didn't have cable grow...
Episode 125: Interview with Eddie Reyes of Taking Back Sunday
July 01, 2020 00:14 - 1 hourWe have a wonderfully special and especially wonderful episode this week! We are forgoing our usual format to bring you a delightful interview with Eddie Reyes, veteran songwriter, guitarist, and founder of Taking Back Sunday. He spent two decades in TBS and toured the world many times over, so you better believe he has some fun stories! We talk about everything from being on the road with TBS (lots of salami involved), to being a dad of two teenagers (and having to feed them too, to our coll...
Episode 124: Lady Gaga - Laugh, Cry, and Roll My Eyes
June 24, 2020 02:07 - 1 hourThis week we cover a relatively new artist (at least as far as our usual repertoire goes) and bring you the story of one Lady Gaga. She started out as some random girl from the Upper West Side of Manhattan, but managed to stand out with her talent and relentless work ethic. Hear how she went from Stefani to Gaga, how she ended up going from rock to pop, and a few missteps she may have had along the way. But at the end of the day, this woman is truly one of a kind. Whether you love her music o...
Episode 123: Guilty Pleasures - Hashtag Glowed Up
June 17, 2020 02:38 - 1 hourWe all got em- guilty pleasure songs! The tunes you bop to when no one is looking. It's just about summer time, which is a perfect time to dig up music that you never wanted anyone to see on your playlist. This week we got together and discussed our favorite shame-filled songs, despite how much respect you will arguably lose for us. We really run the spectrum of genres here, from emo to techno, it gets pretty embarrassing. Get a pretty good idea of what we were like in college and how we, and...
Episode 122: The Prodigy - Pretzel and the Ball
June 10, 2020 00:33 - 1 hourThis fearless group took electronica to a whole new level in the 90's. Breaking the boundaries of genre by incorporating the sounds of techno, hip hop, rock, and everything in between to create the most unique music the world had heard up to that point. They made it ok for metal heads to want to dance and ravers to want to mosh. The Prodigy just started out as a one man show, that quickly turned into a 3-piece collective, after he let some ravers join in on the fun. Their story is their own, ...
Episode 121: Thin Lizzy - He Was Somethin'
June 03, 2020 11:00 - 1 hourThis week we're not just going into the story of the legendary Thin Lizzy, but especially so to talk about the life of frontman Phil Lynott. He had the charisma to get all eyes on him during a performance, but he was not born with it, it took years to adapt to the rock star lifestyle. His life as a person of color amidst a predominantly white city left him feeling like an outsider, which would contribute heavily to his deep lyrics that fans have grown to love. Not only Phil, but Thin Lizzy se...
Episode 120: The Specials - The 2 Tone Towers
May 26, 2020 22:52 - 1 hourSka may not always get the respect it deserves, but this band sure should! The Specials are the originators of 2 Tone, a style of music that fused together Jamaican ska with punk and sprinkled in some new wave here and there. They changed the game and influenced the worlds of rock and pop to come after. This band not only revolutionized music, but they brought in topics that weren't normally discussed in popular music- racism, teenage pregnancy, economic disparity, and overall distaste with t...
Episode 119: Fiona Apple - Fan Adjacent
May 20, 2020 01:28 - 1 hourYou may only remember Fiona Apple from her risque music video for Criminal back in the late 90's, but she is so much more. An artist who has taken her pain and displayed it for all the world to see and relate to. She learned early on that if you can't please everyone, then at least please yourself. But that doesn't mean she hasn't spent a great deal of time soul searching to get where she is today with her most recent release. We cover her tumultuous childhood into her music-laden teens when ...
Episode 118: System of a Down's Toxicity - Highwater JNCOs
May 13, 2020 03:19 - 1 hourRemember the early 2000s? Well you will after this episode. We talk about the nearly 20 year old sophomore release from one of the most eclectic metal bands to grace the airwaves- System of a Down. Toxicity brought SOAD to the masses at a time when we needed to hear some hard truths. These tracks cover the spectrum of hot political topics, the Armenian Genocide, how fake LA really is, Science vs Nature, and horse pilots. We get pretty drunk and pretty passionate about these songs, so buckle u...
Episode 117: Lemmy Kilmister - A Weird Game of Duck, Duck, Goose
May 06, 2020 01:05 - 1 hourA God of rock, this week we are talking about Motorhead cornerstone, Lemmy. Without this man, so many genres of rock would not exist as we know them today. With his unique bass technique, lyrics to scare your parents yet make you think, and a devil may care attitude, we will live on with his influence forever. We dive into his story, from childhood, to his first bands, to his epic life with Motorhead, all leading up to his tragic passing in 2015. This guy is a character with some crazy storie...
Episode 116: Bjork's Post - All Lungs and a Swan Dress
April 29, 2020 02:43 - 1 hourBjork had been making music for the majority of her life, but many would argue that it was her sophomore release that pushed her into the mainstream. Post saw Bjork truly breaking out of her shell, from the shy and polite girl of Debut, to the strong and unapologetic woman who would eventually become one of the biggest names in art pop. Here we see her getting more comfortable with production and collaborating with even more artists to make this one of the most unique album experiences of our...
Episode 115: Lou Pearlman - You Never Forget Your First Blimp
April 22, 2020 01:20 - 1 hourBuckle up for an episode about one of the worst people to ever step into the music business. Lou Pearlman created two of the biggest pop acts in recent memory- Backstreet Boys and N*Sync. But that doesn't make this guy a hero by any means. Not only did he use and manipulate these boy bands, but dozens of other boys and their families. And that's only from his music biz scams. He conned his acts out of millions of dollars and his gold star sociopathy made those around him think his actions wer...
Episode 114: R.E.M. - Alliteration, Acronyms, Eyebrows
April 15, 2020 01:25 - 1 hourThis week we talk about the quintessential alt rock band, R.E.M. If it weren't for these guys, indie music wouldn't exist and rock would be a much blander genre. A group that refused to bend to anyone else's rules and spent years paying their dues as a cult success. But when they finally hit radio airways, they didn't go anywhere and gave us classics that have gone down in music history. We tell their story to the best of our ability, but this famously private band have sometimes walked the l...
Episode 113: Hall And Oates - 18 Part Harmony
April 08, 2020 02:08 - 1 hourThis week we're talking about one of our favorite duos- Darryl Hall and John Oates. They may come from different backgrounds with different styles, but put them together and the magic is undeniable. These guys brought soul and R&B into mainstream pop with huge success! But what you may not know is how much help they got from some talented women and a supportive manager. Or the crazy story of how Darryl and John first met. Or about some of their dramatic relationship choices. Well, get ready t...
Episode 112: Janis Joplin - Good Chet
April 01, 2020 01:21 - 1 hourWe close off Women's History Month with one of the most influential women in all of music. Janis Joplin had a short career, but that doesn't take away from the impact she made. Her rise may have been quick, but it wasn't easy, she had many stumbles along the way. We look to demystify the legend she was touted up as, and show her true nature and just how full of life and humanity she was. She experienced her fair share of heartaches and used that pain to make some of the most emotionally raw m...
Episode 111: Joan Jett - Today Times Are Extra Spicy
March 25, 2020 02:10 - 1 hourIt's time for us to give this feminist Rock N Roll icon the attention she deserves! Joan Jett helped pave the way for women to be as tough and confident as they dared, especially in the music world. She began with the legendary all-girl rock band, The Runaways, alongside other empowered rocker babes. But even after their inevitable split, Joan still managed to climb the ranks and become the household name she is now. But there have been some questionable choices along the way that have given ...
Episode 110: A Bad Babe Playlist - Tampons In Space
March 18, 2020 03:12 - 1 hourWe go full raunchy, angry women in this episode. It's still hard out here for a chick and we need some solid jams to get through it all. Could it be the never ending fight for equal pay or the fight for the last roll of toilet paper that's cheesed our grits this week? During trying times such as these, we find music helps us get through and decided that creating a playlist full of tunes to empower all you ladies out there is exactly what's needed. We run the gamut of genres to showcase a vari...
Episode 109: Billie Holiday - Adorably Delinquent
March 11, 2020 10:35 - 1 hourThe story of Billie Holiday is not an easy one to tell. She was complex woman with endless talent. Not only a woman, but a woman of color, she came into the world of jazz and changed it forever. But it wasn't easy. It wasn't ever easy for Billie. From an abusive childhood, to an adulthood fraught with addiction, racism, and troubles with the law, this woman never got a break, but stood to face it every time. With a voice unlike any that was heard before, Billie performed with the likes of Cou...
Episode 108: Selena- Young And Fun Adults
March 04, 2020 01:13 - 1 hourOnce again, we are spending the month of March talking about some of the most influential women in the world of music. And we're kicking it off with a truly legendary singer. Selena was barely in her 20's when she was crowned the Queen of Tejano, a genre of music that is a real boy's club. Born with a natural talent in her voice and the drive to make all of her dreams come true, there was no stopping this woman from becoming a beloved artist to not only the hispanic population, but everyone a...
Episode 107: TLC - Are We Having Fun Yet
February 26, 2020 02:33 - 1 hourWe are closing up Black History Month with the amazing tale of TLC, one of the most successful girl groups in all of music history. They started off as young women, tricked into an unfair contract that they wouldn't be made aware of until years later. But through struggles with addiction, abuse, and illness, combined with the successes of #1 singles and winning award after award, they grew into fierce, savvy women. However, despite it all, their longevity was cut short by tragedy. Listen to t...
Episode 106: Tricky - Actual Murder
February 19, 2020 03:24 - 1 hourOne of the most original artists of our time, Tricky is a pioneer of the Trip Hop movement, helping to shape modern music into the sounds we know today. A shy and genuine guy who was more interested in experimenting on new tracks than he was on being famous, Tricky has lived a very interesting life. From his childhood growing up in the council estates of Bristol, to seeing the beginnings of success with massive Attack, to moving around the world in search of new adventures. Everything has a s...