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We all grew up in different parts of American Christianity, and we still keep thinking about how to take it seriously, even as we leave some beliefs behind. Join us our round-table discussion as we ravel out our faith in a complex world, pulling on one thread at a time, seeking Meaning at the end of it all.

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20. What IS a Sacrament?

January 27, 2021 09:00 - 1 hour - 59.8 MB

Stephen's been digging into Catholic theology lately and it got Emily thinking about sacraments. We talk about the 7 sacraments recognized by the Catholic church and how that compares with Protestant traditions that typically pair down to Baptism and Eucharist. Are the sacraments reserved for Christians only, or can we share an Open Table? What even is a sacrament anyway? And is calling everything sacred even helpful? Mentioned in the episode:  1 Corinthians 11:17-34 - Paul's Warn...

What IS a Sacrament?

January 27, 2021 09:00 - 1 hour - 59.8 MB

Stephen's been digging into Catholic theology lately and it got Emily thinking about sacraments. We talk about the 7 sacraments recognized by the Catholic church and how that compares with Protestant traditions that typically pair down to Baptism and Eucharist. Are the sacraments reserved for Christians only, or can we share an Open Table? What even is a sacrament anyway? And is calling everything sacred even helpful? Mentioned in the episode:  1 Corinthians 11:17-34 - Paul's Warn...

Our 2 Cents on Money, Pt. 2

January 20, 2021 09:00 - 1 hour - 59.5 MB

***This is Part 2 of a conversation we began last week. Please go back and catch up if you haven't.*** In what ended up being an almost 3 hour conversation, we pick up with Josh's thoughts about modern monetary theory and how the church may be operating on outdated conceptions of money. Stephen then guides us through some thoughts about how giving be uncomfortable by definition and if the "firstfruits" concept is valid teaching to follow. Emily rounds out the conversation with real...

19. Our 2 Cents on Money, Pt. 2

January 20, 2021 09:00 - 1 hour - 59.5 MB

***This is Part 2 of a conversation we began last week. Please go back and catch up if you haven't.*** In what ended up being an almost 3 hour conversation, we pick up with Josh's thoughts about modern monetary theory and how the church may be operating on outdated conceptions of money. Stephen then guides us through some thoughts about how giving be uncomfortable by definition and if the "firstfruits" concept is valid teaching to follow. Emily rounds out the conversation with real...

18. Our 2 Cents on Money, Pt. 1

January 13, 2021 09:00 - 1 hour - 60.4 MB

In what ended up being an almost 3 hour conversation, Stephen kicks us off with questions about the biblical origin of the tithe. In what ways are the Jewish people instructed to handle their money by the Hebrew Bible and how are these concepts adapted or reclaimed in the New Covenant through Jesus? So many thoughts on tithing as Christian duty, transactional philanthropy, churches' financial transparency, big name pastors making money off book sales, and MORE! (And this is only Par...

Our 2 Cents on Money, Pt. 1

January 13, 2021 09:00 - 1 hour - 60.4 MB

In what ended up being an almost 3 hour conversation, Stephen kicks us off with questions about the biblical origin of the tithe. In what ways are the Jewish people instructed to handle their money by the Hebrew Bible and how are these concepts adapted or reclaimed in the New Covenant through Jesus? So many thoughts on tithing as Christian duty, transactional philanthropy, churches' financial transparency, big name pastors making money off book sales, and MORE! (And this is only Par...

Don't Put God in a Box

January 06, 2021 09:00 - 58 minutes - 53.8 MB

Welcome to 2021, the sequel to 2020! After speaking with a street preacher (from across the street with his own megaphone), Josh has questions about apophatic and cataphatic theology. How do we come to our knowledge of God and his attributes? AUDIO NOTE: We had a mic issue on Josh's end of our recording call and had to use a backup in a couple spots. Mentioned in the episode:  Nomad Podcast The Cloud of Unknowing by An Anonymous Christian Mystic El Shaddai Hymn Follow the hosts...

17. Don't Put God in a Box

January 06, 2021 09:00 - 58 minutes - 53.8 MB

Welcome to 2021, the sequel to 2020! After speaking with a street preacher (from across the street with his own megaphone), Josh has questions about apophatic and cataphatic theology. How do we come to our knowledge of God and his attributes? AUDIO NOTE: We had a mic issue on Josh's end of our recording call and had to use a backup in a couple spots. Mentioned in the episode:  Nomad Podcast The Cloud of Unknowing by An Anonymous Christian Mystic El Shaddai Hymn Follow the hosts...

16. On a Silent Night

December 16, 2020 09:00 - 1 hour - 90.6 MB

The birth narrative of Jesus we've grown up with is a creative combination of two different accounts in the Gospels. In this episode, we discuss the implications of the story and aspects that may be more allegorical than historical. For instance, why we find the holiday in December, how the manger scene changes with an understanding of ancient architecture, the Magi being guided by the "star", the virginity of Mary, and the character of Joseph. Happy Holidays! Merry Christmas! Happy...

On a Silent Night

December 16, 2020 09:00 - 1 hour - 90.6 MB

The birth narrative of Jesus we've grown up with is a creative combination of two different accounts in the Gospels. In this episode, we discuss the implications of the story and aspects that may be more allegorical than historical. For instance, why we find the holiday in December, how the manger scene changes with an understanding of ancient architecture, the Magi being guided by the "star", the virginity of Mary, and the character of Joseph. Happy Holidays! Merry Christmas! Happy...

15. What is the Wesleyan Quadrilateral? [Classic Theology Gone Wild]

December 09, 2020 09:00 - 56 minutes - 77.6 MB

STARTER PACK: Classic Theology Gone Wild Experience. Tradition. Scripture. Reason. These are the ingredients to what became known as the Wesleyan Quadrilateral or the Methodist Quadrilateral. We discuss the "quad" (because stumbling through the word quadrilateral makes for bad podcasting) and how it impacts our lives through the lenses it gives us to see the world and how it keeps in a centered expression of our faith. Mentioned in the episode: Wesleyan Quadrilateral Wiki  Publi...

What is the Wesleyan Quadrilateral?

December 09, 2020 09:00 - 56 minutes - 77.6 MB

Experience. Tradition. Scripture. Reason. These are the ingredients to what became known as the Wesleyan Quadrilateral or the Methodist Quadrilateral. We discuss the "quad" (because stumbling through the word quadrilateral makes for bad podcasting) and how it impacts our lives through the lenses it gives us to see the world and how it keeps in a centered expression of our faith. Mentioned in the episode: Wesleyan Quadrilateral Wiki  Public/Private and Mercy/Piety Quad The Variet...

15. What is the Wesleyan Quadrilateral?

December 09, 2020 09:00 - 56 minutes - 77.6 MB

Experience. Tradition. Scripture. Reason. These are the ingredients to what became known as the Wesleyan Quadrilateral or the Methodist Quadrilateral. We discuss the "quad" (because stumbling through the word quadrilateral makes for bad podcasting) and how it impacts our lives through the lenses it gives us to see the world and how it keeps in a centered expression of our faith. Mentioned in the episode: Wesleyan Quadrilateral Wiki  Public/Private and Mercy/Piety Quad The Variet...

14. The Pros and Cons of the Liturgical Calendar

December 02, 2020 09:00 - 1 hour - 64.7 MB

Emily brings the guys questions and lessons from the liturgical calendar. We discuss the pros and cons of using this tool to establish a rhythm to the year and wonder out loud about ways we could reform it. What if Christmas and Easter were only celebrated every 3 years? Or even... every 33 years? How would this change our attitudes toward holidays that have become more commercial than commemorative? Mentioned in the episode: Atheism for Lent Methodist Revised Common Lectionary 2...

The Pros and Cons of the Liturgical Calendar

December 02, 2020 09:00 - 1 hour - 64.7 MB

Emily brings the guys questions and lessons from the liturgical calendar. We discuss the pros and cons of using this tool to establish a rhythm to the year and wonder out loud about ways we could reform it. What if Christmas and Easter were only celebrated every 3 years? Or even... every 33 years? How would this change our attitudes toward holidays that have become more commercial than commemorative? Mentioned in the episode: Atheism for Lent Methodist Revised Common Lectionary 2...

13. On the Origin of Spiritual Truth

November 25, 2020 09:00 - 1 hour - 60.4 MB

When it comes to the Bible and Christian tradition, Josh wonders if interpreting them through a lens of Originalism is best? Are we hindered by thinking we need to somehow get back there? Where should we place the standard by which we interpret modern life? Could it be that the trajectory from Eden garden paradise to new heavenly city whose gates are never shut provides us a path to follow? Mentioned in the episode: Author's Intent Podcast with Dixie Lee Henning the good news in ...

On the Origin of Spiritual Truth

November 25, 2020 09:00 - 1 hour - 60.4 MB

When it comes to the Bible and Christian tradition, Josh wonders if interpreting them through a lens of Originalism is best? Are we hindered by thinking we need to somehow get back there? Where should we place the standard by which we interpret modern life? Could it be that the trajectory from Eden garden paradise to new heavenly city whose gates are never shut provides us a path to follow? Mentioned in the episode: Author's Intent Podcast with Dixie Lee Henning the good news in ...

13. On the Origin of Spiritual Truth [The Apologists Can't Hurt You Here]

November 25, 2020 09:00 - 1 hour - 60.4 MB

STARTER PACK: The Apologists Can't Hurt You Here When it comes to the Bible and Christian tradition, Josh wonders if interpreting them through a lens of Originalism is best? Are we hindered by thinking we need to somehow get back there? Where should we place the standard by which we interpret modern life? Could it be that the trajectory from Eden garden paradise to new heavenly city whose gates are never shut provides us a path to follow? Mentioned in the episode: Author's Intent...

Another Gospel According to Luke

November 18, 2020 09:00 - 1 hour - 71.3 MB

Is a pastor allowed to not include "saving souls" in her job description? This is what Stephen was wondering and what we ravel out this episode. What is the fundamental energy that propels us to share what we have found as good news? What is your operational definition of the gospel as Good News that is worth sharing? Are we all going down in a smoking airplane or are we here to be gardeners? Mentioned in the episode: Alexander Shaia on the Deconstructionists Podcast Heart and Mi...

12. Another Gospel According to Luke

November 18, 2020 09:00 - 1 hour - 71.3 MB

Is a pastor allowed to not include "saving souls" in her job description? This is what Stephen was wondering and what we ravel out this episode. What is the fundamental energy that propels us to share what we have found as good news? What is your operational definition of the gospel as Good News that is worth sharing? Are we all going down in a smoking airplane or are we here to be gardeners? Mentioned in the episode: Alexander Shaia on the Deconstructionists Podcast Heart and Mi...

12. Another Gospel According to Luke [Classic Theology Gone Wild]

November 18, 2020 09:00 - 1 hour - 71.3 MB

STARTER PACK: Classic Theology Gone Wild Is a pastor allowed to not include "saving souls" in her job description? This is what Stephen was wondering and what we ravel out this episode. What is the fundamental energy that propels us to share what we have found as good news? What is your operational definition of the gospel as Good News that is worth sharing? Are we all going down in a smoking airplane or are we here to be gardeners? Mentioned in the episode: Alexander Shaia on th...

Enneagram and Embodiment

November 11, 2020 09:00 - 1 hour - 61.1 MB

What is your experience of your body? Where do you feel anger, shame, or fear? What about love, peace, and joy? In this episode, we dig into how the Enneagram informs our mode of being and discuss the dramatic implications we think arise when we consider Jesus Christ incarnate. Mentioned in the episode: Embodiment Podcast by The Liturgists Other People's Problems by Hillary McBride Discipline and Punish Wiki by Michel Foucault Self-compassion.org Self-soothing behavior study o...

11. Enneagram and Embodiment

November 11, 2020 09:00 - 1 hour - 61.1 MB

What is your experience of your body? Where do you feel anger, shame, or fear? What about love, peace, and joy? In this episode, we dig into how the Enneagram informs our mode of being and discuss the dramatic implications we think arise when we consider Jesus Christ incarnate. Mentioned in the episode: Embodiment Podcast by The Liturgists Other People's Problems by Hillary McBride Discipline and Punish Wiki by Michel Foucault Self-compassion.org Self-soothing behavior study o...

10. Are You Just Being Agreeable?

November 04, 2020 09:00 - 1 hour - 94.9 MB

How do you handle disagreements among creative partners? Do we mistake agreeable postures for agreement? In this episode, Josh challenges Stephen's mode of interpretation on the podcast. Mentioned in the episode: The Road Back to You by Ian Cron and Suzanne Stabile The Sacred Enneagram by Christopher Heuertz The Complete Enneagram by Beatrice Chestnut The Enneagram: A Christian Perspective by Richard Rohr Typology Podcast with Ian Cron The Enneagram Journey with Suzanne Stabi...

Are You Just Being Agreeable?

November 04, 2020 09:00 - 1 hour - 94.9 MB

How do you handle disagreements among creative partners? Do we mistake agreeable postures for agreement? In this episode, Josh challenges Stephen's mode of interpretation on the podcast. Mentioned in the episode: The Road Back to You by Ian Cron and Suzanne Stabile The Sacred Enneagram by Christopher Heuertz The Complete Enneagram by Beatrice Chestnut The Enneagram: A Christian Perspective by Richard Rohr Typology Podcast with Ian Cron The Enneagram Journey with Suzanne Stabi...

9. Demons and Satan and Angels, Oh My!

October 28, 2020 08:00 - 1 hour - 66.1 MB

Happy Halloween (or Reformation Day for you Protestant party poopers)! What do we do with spiritual beings mentioned in the Bible? Are demons actual beings, or should we treat them more as unseen forces like greed and vengeance? Is Satan a fallen angel or a personification of the Evil we fear inside ourselves? Are angels divine council members and heavenly messengers? What do we do with the names? Mentioned in the episode: Thomas Theorem Myron is a Demon Skeptic - You Have Permis...

Demons and Satan and Angels, Oh My!

October 28, 2020 08:00 - 1 hour - 66.1 MB

Happy Halloween (or Reformation Day for you Protestant party poopers)! What do we do with spiritual beings mentioned in the Bible? Are demons actual beings, or should we treat them more as unseen forces like greed and vengeance? Is Satan a fallen angel or a personification of the Evil we fear inside ourselves? Are angels divine council members and heavenly messengers? What do we do with the names? Mentioned in the episode: Thomas Theorem Myron is a Demon Skeptic - You Have Permis...

9. Demons and Satan and Angels, Oh My! [We Clearly Disagree]

October 28, 2020 08:00 - 1 hour - 66.1 MB

STARTER PACK: We Clearly Disagree Happy Halloween (or Reformation Day for you Protestant party poopers)! What do we do with spiritual beings mentioned in the Bible? Are demons actual beings, or should we treat them more as unseen forces like greed and vengeance? Is Satan a fallen angel or a personification of the Evil we fear inside ourselves? Are angels divine council members and heavenly messengers? What do we do with the names? Mentioned in the episode: Thomas Theorem Myron i...

8. The Elephant in the Room [The Apologists Can't Hurt You Here]

October 21, 2020 08:00 - 1 hour - 65 MB

STARTER PACK: The Apologists Can't Hurt You Here (No elephants were touched without consent in the making of this show) How can we make sense of how Christianity relates to other religious and spiritual traditions? Why do Christians suck at debating people who they disagree with, Christian or not? Are we all just feeling up the same elephant trying to make sense of it all, but without talking? Mentioned in the episode: Our shared image of blind people touching an elephant Divine...

The Elephant in the Room

October 21, 2020 08:00 - 1 hour - 65 MB

(No elephants were touched without consent in the making of this show) How can we make sense of how Christianity relates to other religious and spiritual traditions? Why do Christians suck at debating people who they disagree with, Christian or not? Are we all just feeling up the same elephant trying to make sense of it all, but without talking? Mentioned in the episode: Our shared image of blind people touching an elephant Divine Accommodation in the Early Church ReKnew.org with Greg Bo...

8. The Elephant in the Room

October 21, 2020 08:00 - 1 hour - 65 MB

(No elephants were touched without consent in the making of this show) How can we make sense of how Christianity relates to other religious and spiritual traditions? Why do Christians suck at debating people who they disagree with, Christian or not? Are we all just feeling up the same elephant trying to make sense of it all, but without talking? Mentioned in the episode: Our shared image of blind people touching an elephant Divine Accommodation in the Early Church ReKnew.org with Greg Bo...

Apocalypse Always

October 14, 2020 08:00 - 1 hour - 56.4 MB

What are we waiting for when we look for the apocalypse? The End of Times, Armageddon, Second Coming. These are all names for what we've been taught to expect, but what if apocalypse is unfolding before our very eyes? Mentioned in the episode: The Screwtape Letters by C.S. Lewis The Divine Dance by Richard Rohr Antifragile by Nassim Nicholas Taleb The Whiskey Bench Podcast: podlink.to/whiskeybench Join the Ravel conversation on: Twitter: @ravelpod Instagram: @ravelpod Faceb...

7. Apocalypse Always

October 14, 2020 08:00 - 1 hour - 56.4 MB

What are we waiting for when we look for the apocalypse? The End of Times, Armageddon, Second Coming. These are all names for what we've been taught to expect, but what if apocalypse is unfolding before our very eyes? Mentioned in the episode: The Screwtape Letters by C.S. Lewis The Divine Dance by Richard Rohr Antifragile by Nassim Nicholas Taleb The Whiskey Bench Podcast: podlink.to/whiskeybench Join the Ravel conversation on: Twitter: @ravelpod Instagram: @ravelpod Faceb...

6. The Heretic in Our Midst

October 07, 2020 08:00 - 1 hour - 105 MB

What would you call someone who quit church, yet still holds a deep love for Christ? Post-Christian? Foolish and misled? Heretic? Mentioned in the episode: Just Faith by Guthrie Graves-Fitzsimmons The Septuagint Leaders Eat Last by Simon Sinek Everything Is Spiritual Talk by Rob Bell  Everything Is Spiritual Book by Rob Bell Inspired by Rachel Held Evans BadChristian Podcast You Have Permission Podcast Special thanks to Matt & Toby for the generous use of the title track f...

The Heretic in Our Midst

October 07, 2020 08:00 - 1 hour - 105 MB

What would you call someone who quit church, yet still holds a deep love for Christ? Post-Christian? Foolish and misled? Heretic? Mentioned in the episode: Just Faith by Guthrie Graves-Fitzsimmons The Septuagint Leaders Eat Last by Simon Sinek Everything Is Spiritual Talk by Rob Bell  Everything Is Spiritual Book by Rob Bell Inspired by Rachel Held Evans BadChristian Podcast You Have Permission Podcast Special thanks to Matt & Toby for the generous use of the title track f...

5. I Am Because We Are?

September 30, 2020 08:00 - 1 hour - 93.2 MB

Ubuntu is a Nguni Bantu term meaning "humanity." Often translated as "I am because we are," or "humanity towards others." Is this what it means to be an individual inside community? Can "I" function well over "We"? Can "We" function well over "I"? Mentioned in the episode: The Tim Ferriss Show with Rabbi Sacks Morality: Restoring the Common Good in Divided Times by Rabbi Jonathan Sacks One Human Family, Food for All Video Join the Ravel conversation on: Twitter: @ravelpod Ins...

I Am Because We Are?

September 30, 2020 08:00 - 1 hour - 93.2 MB

Ubuntu is a Nguni Bantu term meaning "humanity." Often translated as "I am because we are," or "humanity towards others." Is this what it means to be an individual inside community? Can "I" function well over "We"? Can "We" function well over "I"? Mentioned in the episode: The Tim Ferriss Show with Rabbi Sacks Morality: Restoring the Common Good in Divided Times by Rabbi Jonathan Sacks One Human Family, Food for All Video Join the Ravel conversation on: Twitter: @ravelpod Ins...

4. Creating Community

September 23, 2020 08:00 - 1 hour - 95.9 MB

A clear goal, intentionality, generosity, creativity, contribution, trust, at the crossroads of philosophical and performative identity. These are some ingredients of what we think creates community. Mentioned in the episode: When Helping Hurts: How to Alleviate Poverty Without Hurting the Poor... and Yourself by Steve Corbett and Brian Fikkert The Universal Christ by Richard Rohr Join the Ravel conversation on: Twitter: @ravelpod Instagram: @ravelpod Facebook: @theravelpod ...

Creating Community

September 23, 2020 08:00 - 1 hour - 95.9 MB

A clear goal, intentionality, generosity, creativity, contribution, trust, at the crossroads of philosophical and performative identity. These are some ingredients of what we think creates community. Mentioned in the episode: When Helping Hurts: How to Alleviate Poverty Without Hurting the Poor... and Yourself by Steve Corbett and Brian Fikkert The Universal Christ by Richard Rohr Join the Ravel conversation on: Twitter: @ravelpod Instagram: @ravelpod Facebook: @theravelpod ...

3. Church in the Age of COVID-19

September 16, 2020 11:00 - 1 hour - 115 MB

We talk about the potential impacts of COVID-19 on the church in the short term and long term! Join the Ravel conversation on: Twitter: @ravelpod Instagram: @ravelpod Facebook: @theravelpod Email: [email protected] Follow the hosts on Twitter: Josh: @joshlieuallen Emily: @RevRettinghouse Stephen: @stephenghenning Thank you to Louie Zong for use of his song In Full Color, off his album, Here. Follow his work on Spotify and Bandcamp! ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ...

Church in the Age of COVID-19

September 16, 2020 11:00 - 1 hour - 115 MB

We talk about the potential impacts of COVID-19 on the church in the short term and long term! Join the Ravel conversation on: Twitter: @ravelpod Instagram: @ravelpod Facebook: @theravelpod Email: [email protected] Follow the hosts on Twitter: Josh: @joshlieuallen Emily: @RevRettinghouse Stephen: @stephenghenning Thank you to Louie Zong for use of his song In Full Color, off his album, Here. Follow his work on Spotify and Bandcamp!

The Conversation That Started It All

September 16, 2020 10:30 - 1 hour - 133 MB

We play the source material that kicked off the whole Ravel podcast as a concept! Join the Ravel conversation on: Twitter: @ravelpod Instagram: @ravelpod Facebook: @theravelpod Email: [email protected] Follow the hosts on Twitter: Josh: @joshlieuallen Emily: @RevRettinghouse Stephen: @stephenghenning Thank you to Louie Zong for use of his song In Full Color, off his album, Here. Follow his work on Spotify and Bandcamp!

2. The Conversation That Started It All

September 16, 2020 10:30 - 1 hour - 133 MB

We play the source material that kicked off the whole Ravel podcast as a concept! Join the Ravel conversation on: Twitter: @ravelpod Instagram: @ravelpod Facebook: @theravelpod Email: [email protected] Follow the hosts on Twitter: Josh: @joshlieuallen Emily: @RevRettinghouse Stephen: @stephenghenning Thank you to Louie Zong for use of his song In Full Color, off his album, Here. Follow his work on Spotify and Bandcamp! ★ Support this podcast on Patreon ★

Our Spiritual Biographies

September 16, 2020 10:00 - 1 hour - 126 MB

Stephen, Josh, and Emily each spend some time laying out their spiritual and religious backgrounds! Join the Ravel conversation on: Twitter: @ravelpod Instagram: @ravelpod Facebook: @theravelpod Email: [email protected] Follow the hosts on Twitter: Josh: @joshlieuallen Emily: @RevRettinghouse Stephen: @stephenghenning Thank you to Louie Zong for use of his song In Full Color, off his album, Here. Follow his work on Spotify and Bandcamp!

1. Our Spiritual Biographies

September 16, 2020 10:00 - 1 hour - 126 MB

Stephen, Josh, and Emily each spend some time laying out their spiritual and religious backgrounds! Join the Ravel conversation on: Twitter: @ravelpod Instagram: @ravelpod Facebook: @theravelpod Email: [email protected] Follow the hosts on Twitter: Josh: @joshlieuallen Emily: @RevRettinghouse Stephen: @stephenghenning Thank you to Louie Zong for use of his song In Full Color, off his album, Here. Follow his work on Spotify and Bandcamp! ★ Support this podcast on Pat...

Ravel

August 18, 2020 00:51 - 45 seconds - 753 KB

Introducing a podcast called Ravel, a round-table show about the complexity of faith in the age of Information. For some people, this complexity has caused the unraveling of their faith and for other people, it's been enriching. We think good theology should be an exploratory dialog, so we're going to sort through our own questions, in real time, over a couple drinks. Join us as we ravel out our faith in a complex world, pulling on one thread at a time, seeking Meaning at the end of...

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