On this week's show, we get to sit down with one of our favorite people in the whole wide world, Mary O’Malley. Mary is a wildly accomplished ceramicist and teacher, and also luckily for Zahra, a true blue best friend. Mary joins us to talk about the realities of grandparent grief. After losing both of her beloved grandparents within a few months of each other in 2018, Mary has experienced deep grief surrounding their passing, and we discuss the specificities of the grandparent/ grandchild bond and the stigma around grieving their loss. We loved where this conversation went, and are so grateful to Mary for her time and generosity of spirit.

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