Kate and Susie talk about the limitations of government protest and the law in protecting women’s bodies and women’s rights. Susie explains how teaching self-defense is a political act, taking movements beyond the streets, and in the way of empowering women in their own bodies. She shares a story about marching on Washington in defense of Roe v. Wade the first time it was about to get overturned by the first Bush administration. And the time Susie schooled Gloria Steinem on Feminism.

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