Episode 81 of the Paw & Order podcast is hosted by Jessica Scott-Reid and guest co-host Kaitlyn Mitchell, a staff lawyer at Animal Justice. In this episode, Jessica and Kaitlyn interview Dr. Jason Hannan, a professor at the University of Winnipeg, and the co-chair of Winnipeg VegFest. They discuss Dr. Hannan’s recently published book, Meatsplaining, The Animal Agriculture Industry and the Rhetoric of Denial, exploring strategies used by the animal agriculture industry to avoid public scrutiny for its harm to animals, our health, and the environment.