Normalizing Non-Monogamy - Interviews in Polyamory and Swinging
148 episodes - English - Latest episode: almost 4 years ago - ★★★★★ - 138 ratingsHi! We're Emma and Fin! We're a married couple in our early thirties who have been exploring non-monogamy for over a decade. Every week we interview people from across the spectrums of gender, sexuality, and relationship styles to hear their amazing stories. Many of our guests identify as swingers or polyamorous. However, quite a few have redefined non-monogamy in their own way by blending swinging and polyamory into a unique hybrid that works for them. We hope that by giving a voice to the diverse community exploring non-monogamy that we can show people they are not alone and inspire them to embrace their true selves so that, together, we can open minds and live authentically without shame.We hope you enjoy the show and who knows, maybe someday you'll even be willing to share your own story. We'd love to hear it!
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Ep 94 - Reagan
November 06, 2019 15:05 - 1 hour - 106 MBReagan is a 58 year old polyamorous, kinky, liberal, atheist, legal sex worker who has been exploring non-monogamy since her 20's! She is full of wisdom and life experiences that we can all learn from regardless of our relationship dynamic. She shares her beautiful and touching story with us and we hope you will enjoy it and take as much away from it as we did. Show Notes Join Our Patreon Community! $10 Off - Online STI Testing 6 Free Month Trial on Kasidie https://www.n...
Ep 93 - Amy + Scott
October 30, 2019 13:05 - 1 hour - 90.4 MBAmy and Scott started exploring non-monogamy fairly recently after Amy *technically* cheated on Scott... Luckily, it seems like the only problem Scott had was that he wasn't there for it! These two are so much fun and a great example of how introverts can successfully navigate swinging with a touch of polyamory! Show Notes Join Our Patreon Community! $10 Off - Online STI Testing 6 Free Month Trial on Kasidie Save $25 on gifts at The Enclosed with offer code "Emma25" ...
Ep 92 - Amanda + MC
October 23, 2019 13:05 - 1 hour - 90.3 MBAmanda and MC are a queer couple who were friends first and have now been exploring non-monogamy together for about two years. Amanda is a queer woman in her early 30's who has explored non-monogamy in past. MC is in their late 20's, queer, trans, non-binary and is exploring non-monogamy for the first time in their life. Together they tell a beautiful and diverse story! Show Notes Join Our Patreon Community! Come meet us in person and help build an amazing community! $10 Off...
Ep 91 - Robert
October 16, 2019 13:05 - 1 hour - 70.6 MBRobert shares an emotional story with us that spans the 18 year relationship with his partner as they navigated non-monogamy together. Ultimately, the relationship did not work out and he talks with us about why that is and how he is moving forward after a very difficult situation. This is a pretty intense and powerful episode and we're touched that he was willing to share it with us. We hope you appreciate it as much as we did. Show Notes Join Our Patreon Community! Come meet u...
Ep 90 - Kathy Labriola
October 14, 2019 13:05 - 59 minutes - 54.3 MBKathy is an author, nurse, counselor, and hypnotherapist... She has been exploring non-monogamy for over 50 years and talks with us about what it has been like on her journey and how she has seen things change over the years. This is a great conversation that covers a lot of ground. She also recently published a new book called "The Polyamory Breakup Book", so be sure to check it out as well! Show Notes Kathy's Website Join Our Patreon Community! Come meet us in person and h...
Ep 89 - Chloe + Drew
October 09, 2019 13:05 - 1 hour - 88.6 MBChloe and Drew share an incredibly powerful and moving story with us this week. Their 10+ year relationship has withstood challenges that are hard to comprehend. Throughout the journey they have had to redefine who they each are, what their relationship team looks like, and how they take on all future challenges. Oh yeah, and they're not even 30 yet... We hope this interview is as moving for you as it was for us. Also, the audio smooths out after a few minutes. It's never terrible, but i...
Ep 88 - Eliza + Mark
October 02, 2019 13:05 - 1 hour - 104 MBThis week we get a fantastic look at how different partners can fulfill different needs in your life. Mark and Eliza have been together for a few years and have been exploring polyamory since the beginning. One of the best quotes from the episode is "We love each other and our relationship but it's not the most important thing in either of our lives." We also recorded an addendum for this episode after Mark was recently diagnosed with HPV. They talk about how the diagnosis impacted both ...
Ep 87 - Lara + Patrick
September 30, 2019 13:05 - 1 hour - 78.9 MBBoom! Surprise bonus episode! Lara and Patrick are both in the third act of their lives and are living it up! They are loving exploring the world of swinging together and the amazing friends they have been making. Going to Desire last year with Life on the Swingset has supercharged their journey and they are super excited to do it again in approximately 30 days from now! Show Notes Join Our Patreon Community! The Swingset Takes Desire Come meet us in person and help build an...
Ep 86 - Kenneth
September 25, 2019 13:05 - 1 hour - 101 MBKenneth has one of the more fascinating backgrounds that we have ever heard and it is captivating. He spent over 30 years as part of the Amish community and has since found his way out. He now identifies as an Amish Atheist Polyamorist. A first for us, for sure! It's an incredible story and we hope you enjoy it as much as we do! Show Notes Join Our Patreon Community! Come meet us in person and help build an amazing community! $10 Off - Online STI Testing Try 3 Months Fre...
Ep 85 - Emily + Steve
September 18, 2019 13:05 - 1 hour - 80.4 MBYou are going to laugh your butt off at the same time your heart is going out to these two amazing people. In their own words, Em and Steve proclaim that they are THE example of how not to get into swinging... We agree that their first steps out of the gate weren't the smoothest but we think they are a perfect example of how to correct the course and grow together. Show Notes Join Our Patreon Community! Come meet us in person and help build an amazing community! $10 Off - Onlin...
Ep 84 - C.C. + Steve
September 11, 2019 13:05 - 50 minutes - 46.5 MBSteve and C.C. are our first interview with a couple who is exploring the world of hotwifing! They got into it a little over a year ago and when you listen to Steve talk about how amazing their experiences have been, you'll be as happy for them as we are! These two have a great approach to hotwifing and non-monogamy in general. There are applicable life lessons in here regardless of your style! Show Notes Join Our Patreon Community! Come meet us in person and help build an amazi...
Ep 83 - Taj
September 09, 2019 13:05 - 1 hour - 56.1 MBTaj is in his late twenties and has been working for the last 10+ years to figure out how to label his relationship style. We don't have a great answer and honestly, I think the question we came away with is: "Why does it matter?" This episode is a little different than most, but the honest discussion around the evolution of what relationships can look like for people in their late teens and twenties is extremely valuable. We also have an incredible discussion on consent and safety that ...
Ep 82 - Gina + Matt
September 04, 2019 13:05 - 1 hour - 62.4 MBGina and Matt stumbled into the swinging lifestyle a little over a year ago... by accident. It was a super intense beginning and it has changed their relationship for the better since then. They both have a fantastic sense of humor and they tell a hilarious and heartwarming story. Plus, we cover some important cooking tips. You can't miss it. Show Notes Join Our Patreon Community! $10 Off - Online STI Testing Save $25 on gifts at The Enclosed with offer code "Emma25" 10%...
Ep 81 - Karen + Jim
August 28, 2019 13:05 - 1 hour - 74.9 MBBasically, here's what happened... Karen left her husband after 27+ years and went to a swinger's club the same week... She met Jim on the first night and now they are inseparable. There's a lot more to this amazing story and these two are so full of love and laughter that you will be glad you got in here for a listen. Hear how they navigate their relationship blurring the lines between polyamory and swinging at times but always keeping the communication in tip top shape! Show Notes ...
Ep 80 - Norm
August 21, 2019 13:05 - 1 hour - 76 MBNorm has an incredible story and is a fantastic storyteller... And he has some stories! He and his wife of 30 years started exploring polyamory a few years ago and have learned a lot along the way. So much so that they have created multiple discussion groups in the greater Washington DC area. He is a wealth of knowledge without being judgmental. This episode is full of good stuff. Show Notes Join Our Patreon Community! $10 Off - Online STI Testing Save $25 on gifts at The En...
Ep 79 - Stephanie + Jason
August 14, 2019 13:05 - 49 minutes - 44.9 MBStephanie and Jason are brand spankin' new to swinging and are super excited about starting to explore lots of things. Not to mention, Jason just came out to his wife as bi-sexual! They share some incredibly vulnerable things about themselves in this amazing conversation that is going to go down in history as one of the best resources for new couples looking to explore swinging. They also took it upon themselves to write up a little bio as well! Jason is an aspiring artist and graphic de...
Ep 78 - Michelle + Orlando
August 07, 2019 13:05 - 1 hour - 61.4 MBMichelle and Orlando join us for one of the best conversations we've had for anyone who is looking to get into swinging. They've been tinkering with the idea for years but went for it all out last fall by booking a trip to Desire with a group takeover. They talk through what it's like to explore a lifestyle resort as a relatively new couple plus we have one of the best STI conversations we have ever had on the show with a couple who got some less than ideal news a few days before their fligh...
Ep 77 - O.M. Wills
August 05, 2019 13:05 - 55 minutes - 51.1 MBAuthor O.M. Wills comes by today to share with us the difficulties he and his wife have had trying to break into the swinging community over the last few years. His wife is super pregnant so she didn't join us for the interview, but it is a story full of learning opportunities and things to be aware of as you navigate the world of non-monogamy and in particular, swinging. He is also the author of an erotic novel called ERTA The Complete Series. Show Notes Join Our Patreon Community! ...
Ep 76 - Kelly + Frank
July 31, 2019 13:05 - 1 hour - 71.2 MBKelly joins us to tell the story of her and her husband Frank who is on tour and couldn't join us. They have been weaving in and out of non-monogamy since they started their dating lives around age 12. They're both in their late 20's now and Kelly shares all of the ups and downs they have struggled with while trying to find their own way in polyamory. They are incredibly kind and ethical people and it's a beautiful story that you're sure to find some lessons in. Enjoy! Show Notes Joi...
Ep 75 - Koe Creation
July 24, 2019 13:10 - 58 minutes - 53.2 MBKoe is an amazing bada$$ sex educator, speaker, artist, activist, and.... Author of the new book "This Heart Holds Many"! They talk with us about what it was like growing up in a polyamorous family, how to come out to family and friends, and navigating consent while keeping your flirt on. We also learn some new terms like "cometing" and "metaparenting"! Come check out the interview and then go find their book and give it a read! All the information you need is in the show notes below! Sh...
Ep 74 - Suzie + Jay
July 17, 2019 13:05 - 1 hour - 70.7 MBSuzie and Jay have been married for over a decade and started exploring non-monogamy less than a year ago. Since then they have mostly been exploring the swinging side of things but we're tasting notes of poly on the pallet as well. They share some amazing strategies and information as well as some hilarious stories. Have a listen and let us know what you think! Show Notes Join Our Patreon Community! $10 Off - Online STI Testing 10% discount at myonecondoms.com with offer co...
Ep 73 - Whitney Miller
July 10, 2019 13:05 - 1 hour - 58.7 MBWhitney Miller is the former Miss USA 2012 but she's all about destroying stereotypes. One of her goals has always been to redefine what it means to be a pageant girl. This has taken the form of being a professional wake surfer, exploring Brazilian Jiu Jitsu and MMA, as well as backpacking around the world on her own after a breakup. Beyond that, she has been in a publicly open relationship with her fiance, Aubrey Marcus, for over seven years. She has a fantastic and empowering outlook on li...
Ep 72 - Christy + David
July 03, 2019 13:00 - 1 hour - 78.9 MBChristy and David took their relationship from monogamous to swinging to total non-hierarchical polyamory in a relatively short amount of time. They share with us the difficulties that come with putting their marriage on an equal level as other relationships. At the same time, the joy they experience together is amazing and they wouldn't have it any other way. Have your mind blown, give it a listen. Show Notes Join Our Patreon Community! $10 Off - Online STI Testing 10% disc...
Ep 71 - Jess + Shawn + Cait + Ken
June 28, 2019 13:05 - 48 minutes - 44.7 MBThis one is really just a Friday fun day episode. We were able to get all four of the guests you heard this week together in one place for a wild ride of an interview. Really, it's just basically us asking them questions while they make out with one another. It's a super fun chat and we hope you enjoy! Show Notes Join Our Patreon Community! $10 Off - Online STI Testing 10% discount at myonecondoms.com with offer code "Emma" https://www.normalizingnonmonogamy.com/
Ep 70 - Cait + Ken
June 26, 2019 13:05 - 57 minutes - 52.5 MBCait and Ken, the other half of the quad that we talked with on Monday joins us today to share their side of the story. Yet another case of swingers turned poly. Maybe the two aren't so different after all! These two are a ball of fun and we are super excited to let them share their story and get their perspective. Show Notes Join Our Patreon Community! $10 Off - Online STI Testing 10% discount at myonecondoms.com with offer code "Emma" https://www.normalizingnonmonogamy...
Ep 69 - Jess + Shawn: Round 2
June 24, 2019 13:05 - 1 hour - 64.3 MBShawn and Jess come back on 35 episodes later to share what's changed in their lives... Spoiler alert! It's kind of a big transition they have made. We talk about what happens when swinging turns into polyamory, even if you don't think it ever could! They also share a lot of insight on the benefits of forming friendships around the lifestyle. Give it a listen and also go back and check out episode 34. You'll be happy you did and so will we. Show Notes Join Our Patreon Community! ...
Ep 68 - Swinging Cajuns (Sara + Pete)
June 19, 2019 13:05 - 1 hour - 74.1 MBOur biggest plot twist yet and another unconventional start to non-monogamy! We absolutely can't recommend this episode enough. Sara and Pete are the authors of a blog called the Swinging Cajuns where they document their journey together. Their marriage has survived, and is now thriving in the face of an infidelity that would normally destroy a couple. They have a ton of insight for anyone who might be working through a similar situation and for the swinging community in general. Thank you t...
Ep 67 - Donna + Alex
June 12, 2019 13:05 - 1 hour - 64.6 MBEver considered that swinging can keep you young?! You may after this interview! Donna and Alex have been married for 32+ years and have been non-monogamous in different ways for over 20 of them. They share how they got into it and how it has kept them feeling younger than all their friends even after crossing into their 60's. It's an amazing listen for people of all ages and we're so happy to see the love between these two having so much energy! Show Notes $10 Off - Online STI Testi...
Ep 66 - Claire Travers
June 05, 2019 13:05 - 1 hour - 62.6 MBClaire is a professional humanitarian aid working specializing in emergency response to natural disasters, mainly in Sub-Saharan and Eastern Africa. She is also an academic author and speaker focused on the intersections between ethics and aid. She manages to do all of this while balancing multiple polyamorous relationship spread across multiple continents and languages. Her story is truly unique and inspiring and we hope you'll have a listen. More information on how to contact Claire can be...
Ep 65 - That Couple Next Door (Kay + Jay)
May 29, 2019 13:05 - 1 hour - 66.8 MBThe legendary creators of the podcast "That Couple Next Door" and generic home improvement store bucket connoisseurs, Jay and Kay, share a brief summary of their 3-5 year (or whatever) journey into swinging and hotwife adventures. They also give a little update on the current state of their show and where they plan to go from here. These two are amazing podcasters and people and they are a riot to talk with. If you don't laugh 14% of the time you're listening, we will issue you a full refund...
Ep 64 - Molly + Greg
May 22, 2019 13:05 - 1 hour - 68.2 MBAfter 19 years of monogamy, Molly and Greg started to slowly open up their marriage. Molly said she had never been great at the monogamy thing and asked Greg if she could explore having an online relationship with a guy she met on Fetlife... It turned into much more and led them to re-evaluate their entire approach to their marriage. Have a listen to hear how they navigate polyamory, kink, and having kids! Show Notes $10 Off - Online STI Testing Join Our Patreon Community! #...
Ep 63 - Sex Uninterrupted (Taara + James)
May 15, 2019 12:05 - 59 minutes - 54.4 MBThe hosts of the radio show and authors of the blog "Sex Uninterrupted" join us this week. They have been exploring non-monogamy together since the beginning of their relationship a few years back and share some great insight on navigating the swinging lifestyle. We also have a fantastic conversation about disclosing STI status and handling jealousy, and we get a graphic narration of one of the most disturbing sex bloopers we've ever heard. Show Notes $10 Off - Online STI Testing ...
Ep 62 - Jamie + Brock
May 08, 2019 13:05 - 1 hour - 72.2 MBJamie and Brock have one of the wildest origin stories we've ever heard. They will be the first to tell you that it wasn't a great strategy, but it showed how resilient and strong their relationship was. Even better, it's stronger today. Don't believe us? Come listen for yourself. Show Notes $10 Off - Online STI Testing Join Our Patreon Community! #Open Dating App PolyFinda Dating App 10% discount at myonecondoms.com with offer code "Emma" https://www.normalizing...
Ep 61 - Taylor + Ryan Revisited
May 01, 2019 13:05 - 1 hour - 63.4 MBIt's been a year since we started the podcast and we had the honor to sit down with our close friends and very first guests ever on the show to get an update on their journey. Spoiler alert... A LOT has changed. No more spoilers, get in here and listen. Show Notes $10 Off - Online STI Testing Join Our Patreon Community! #Open Dating App PolyFinda Dating App 10% discount at myonecondoms.com with offer code "Emma" https://www.normalizingnonmonogamy.com/ Taylor ...
Ep 60 - Steak + Tequila
April 24, 2019 13:05 - 1 hour - 60.8 MBThe esteemed hosts of the podcast Getting Into the Swing of Things with Steak and Tequila stop by for a super fun chat! They share some tips and tricks on meeting people as well as how they balance their work and life with meeting other sexy people and living it up. They also share what is possibly the bloodiest orgy story we have ever heard. Show Notes $10 Off - Online STI Testing Join Our Patreon Community! #Open Dating App PolyFinda Dating App 10% discount at myon...
Ep 59 - Josephine + Wyatt
April 17, 2019 13:05 - 1 hour - 61.8 MBReligion had these two tightly locked in... Then they moved to France and slowly started opening up their view on sex. Fast-forward a few years and they are exploring swinging and non-monogamy! They had a few very intense experiences that caused them to step back a bit and re-evaluate before recently making the decision to go at it again with a much more strategic game plan. Show Notes $10 Off - Online STI Testing Join Our Patreon Community! PolyFinda App #Open Dating Ap...
Ep 58 - PolyFinda App (Nami + Bruce)
April 15, 2019 13:05 - 1 hour - 60.5 MBAs Nami puts it, most of the things Bruce does in life are to help other people. Together, the two of them have created a new app called PolyFinda which is a dating and community resource for people living ethically non-monogamous lifestyles. They talk a bit about the app, but more importantly they share their amazing journey with us. These two are some of the kindest people we have met and we are so happy to be able to support their journey. Please check out their app and meet some amazing ...
Ep 57 - Catherine + Ray
April 10, 2019 13:05 - 1 hour - 55.2 MBCatherine and Ray stumbled into swinging on accident after a spur of the moment day trip to Temptation Resort in Cancun on their tenth anniversary. After a few years of discussing and research they decided to move ahead and dive in further. Beyond exploring non-monogamy together, Catherine is a therapist and relationship coach who specializes in working with people in open relationships. They drop some amazing knowledge and insightful stories on us this week. Check it out and definitely chec...
Ep 56 - Life on the Swingset (Tonia + Dylan)
April 03, 2019 13:05 - 1 hour - 55.3 MBTonia and Dylan of Life on the Swingset fame stop by to share their origin story! We talk everything from jealousy and scheduling to sexy board game nights. These two have been navigating non-monogamy in both swinging and polyamory for almost a decade. There is a lot of wisdom in here. Show Notes Win a $50 STDCheck.com Gift Card $10 Off - Online STI Testing Join Our Patreon Community! #Open Dating App Scott's Cheap Flights Atlanta Poly Weekend Personal Capita...
Ep 55 - Rapunzel
March 27, 2019 13:05 - 1 hour - 72.6 MBRapunzel has explored swinging and polyamory both while married and as a single woman. She has a great outlook on how all of her different relationship styles with many different people impact her life in such a positive way. She also shares some amazing advice on exploring the world of non-monogamy as a parent and more specifically, as a single mother. This interview will brighten your day and might even convince you it's time to start trying to figure out how to make your way to Desire in ...
Ep 54 - Heather + Mike
March 20, 2019 13:05 - 59 minutes - 54.8 MBThese two have the pedal to the metal! They have been best friends for many many years and finally took it to the next level. Now, they are exploring non-monogamy together and in the course of a few short months have gone from zero-to-orgy! They have a great attitude and approach as well as some fantastic advice on consent and implied consent. This one gets a little sexy so get in here and have a listen! Show Notes Win a $50 STDCheck.com Gift Card $10 Off - Online STI Testing ...
Ep 53 - #Open App (Amanda + David)
March 18, 2019 13:05 - 42 minutes - 39.1 MBThe creators of the new dating app #Open stop by to share their story and to talk about the revolution they are trying to create in the world of dating and inclusivity. This is an amazing resource for anyone trying to meet people in the non-monogamy space and maybe their mission statement says it best: "Our mission at #open goes beyond just dating or hooking up—we're working to create a community where people can create genuine connections. And we're hoping to make the world a little better...
Ep 52 - Life on the Swingset (Ginger + The Prof)
March 13, 2019 13:05 - 1 hour - 81.6 MBIf you know Life on the Swingset, you know Ginger... If you know Ginger, you know The Prof. If you don't. You need to come in here and listen to two of the most amazing and well spoken humans on the topic of non-monogamy. These two are absolute legends and there is not much more to say about it. We cover just about everything under the non-monogamy umbrella from swinging to polyamory and even a bit of kink. Do yourself a solid and listen to this one. Show Notes Win a $50 STDCheck.com...
Ep 51 - Ann + Brian
March 06, 2019 14:05 - 1 hour - 61 MBIf you look up compersion in the dictionary, there is likely a photo of these two amazing people! They found one another after both going through divorces a few years back and have set out on a journey to live life to the fullest in every way possible. They are just starting to explore non-monogamy but have already made it to the elusive "full swap." Since then, they have started to reconsider what they want out of it and are finding their way. Oh, by the way... They do all of this with like...
Ep 50 - Taytum + Rachel
February 27, 2019 14:05 - 1 hour - 62.3 MBRachel and Taytum are two college students in their early twenties who are exploring their sexualities and different relationship styles together. Fairly early in their relationship Taytum confessed she is interested in exploring what it's like to be with other people. However, she has no interest in breaking up with Rachel. After lots of hard discussions Rachel found our podcast and learned all of the different ways people make these types of relationships work. They are still figuring it o...
Ep 49 - Torrid Souls (Tori + Soul)
February 20, 2019 15:05 - 1 hour - 77.8 MBTori and Soul are the Torrid Souls... A badass bisexual female-female couple who have been exploring the world of swinging for a few years. They share some amazing stories and insight with us, and you! Give it a listen and then go check them out on their own podcast! Show Notes $10 Off - Online STI Testing Join Our Patreon Community! Scott's Cheap Flights Personal Capital 10% discount at myonecondoms.com with offer code "Emma" https://www.normalizingnonmonogamy.c...
Ep 48 - Christopher Smith
February 13, 2019 14:05 - 1 hour - 65.5 MBChristopher Smith has an amazing story he shares with us today. He was in the military, he was a pastor, he has multiple degrees in religious studies, he has a kid, and he is a speaker in the polyamory and non-monogamy space. He has a deep understanding, compassion, and empathy for his partners and people in general. We personally took a ton away from this interview. Check it out, you will too! Show Notes Win a $50 STDCheck.com Gift Card Join Our Patreon Community! Personal ...
Ep 47 - Kat + Tom
February 06, 2019 15:05 - 1 hour - 67 MBThis is one of the wilder interviews we have done! Kat and Tom are full of energy and life and they have a fantastic outlook on life and non-monogamy. They share a lot of amazing bits and pieces with us along with some insight into what they are looking for when they meet people in the swinging world. If you're looking for a laughing and learning experience, here is your chance! Show Notes Win a $50 STDCheck.com Gift Card $10 Off - Online STI Testing Join Our Patreon Communit...
Ep 46 - Vel + Jason
January 30, 2019 15:05 - 1 hour - 67 MBThis week's interview is really heartwarming. Vel and Jason are a couple who have been together for a few years and have essentially been open since the start. The love and compassion they have shown for one another through breakups, coming out to family, and even the death of a partner are very inspirational. Have a listen and let us know what you think. Our guess is, you'll love it. Show Notes $10 Off - Online STI Testing Join Our Patreon Community! Kasidie Online Dating -...
Ep 45 - Kevin Patterson (Poly Rolemodels)
January 23, 2019 15:05 - 1 hour - 67.8 MBAuthor, blogger, and speaker of all things polyamory, Kevin Patterson sits down for a wide-ranging interview with us this week. We talk gender roles, male stereotypes, navigating polyamory as a person of color and much more. Kevin also discusses a little bit about the two books he published in 2018: Love's Not Colorblind and For Hire: Operator. We had a great time talking with Kevin and know this won't be the last time our paths cross. Get in here and check it out! Show Notes $10 Off...