For our first interview of 2021, we welcome Barbara Lamb and Jim McKinnon, both longtime students from the Toronto Zen Centre!  We chat about how their Zen meditation practice helped them through the very challenging year that was 2020, and how adopting a more Zen perspective can be a vital and beautiful addition to your self-care regimen!  For more Zen information and resources, check out the Toronto Zen Centre at torontozen.org.  Pull up a cushion and enjoy this calming conversation!